Those are odd looking figures - and they have 4 toes.

Relation to the island history?

Any chance of a screen cap? I can't rewatch until tomorrow and this sounds interesting!

where are they? I am looking at screen caps now and can't find what you are talking about..

I saw them, but didn't pay attention to the feet. I thought the room looked pretty similar to the room the Others built for Aaron back on the island.

Don't have a cap, but just rewatched the scene and you couldn't really make out the feet.

Looked like two robots to me - 1 larger, 1 smaller. Very weird looking.

These?
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8406/image2rq7.jpg
Looks like a three-toed robot.

I apologize. I'm the OP.

The robots have THREE toes not 4. I rewatched on VCR first and thought they had 4. Then I checked HD DVR - they have three toes.

They're still wierd. But as to their meaning, who knows?

This is just an interesting side note, and I haven't seen it posted anywhere else. If it has been, I apologize.

I found the toys in Aaron's room interesting:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_pG1kU-zfuxM/R75L9VoF8UI/AAAAAAAAAFk/amyNhEid6iY/s1600-h/screen-capture-34.jpg

They are a toy platypus and kookaburra, animals which are native to Australia. Is this just a nod from the Writers about Oceanic's beginning in Sydney? Or is it meant to be seen as an intentional move by Kate to surround Aaron with something connected to his mom Claire, a native Aussie?

It's not a major observation, but I thought it was cool. :biggrin:

There is another thread on this too and someone mentioned that the design/colors of the room look like the design of the nursery on the island.

I thought those cut-outs were too prominently placed to be random, but so far, I can't really figure out a meaning.

My first thought is that the robots were a nod to Bad Robot, J.J. Abrams' production company.

I think you can buy them at IKEA .....

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just kidding. I think if they would have had 4 toes, we would have been onto something here. But maybe they're just a genuine decorative piece in what a set directors idea is of a toddlers bedroom?

This is just an interesting side note, and I haven't seen it posted anywhere else. If it has been, I apologize.

I found the toys in Aaron's room interesting:
http://bp2.blogger.com/_pG1kU-zfuxM/R75L9VoF8UI/AAAAAAAAAFk/amyNhEid6iY/s1600-h/screen-capture-34.jpg

They are a toy platypus and kookaburra, animals which are native to Australia. Is this just a nod from the Writers about Oceanic's beginning in Sydney? Or is it meant to be seen as an intentional move by Kate to surround Aaron with something connected to his mom Claire, a native Aussie?

It's not a major observation, but I thought it was cool. :biggrin:

Huh! Interesting... Yeah, I bet there are *lots* of easter eggs in that scene at the end... I bet the Aussie themes are a homage to Claire.

There is another thread on this too and someone mentioned that the design/colors of the room look like the design of the nursery on the island.

Yep! I noticed this too! Same wallpaper.

In that painting on the right when she walks in there is a 6 of Spades being played and a kid riding a fairly anachronistic bike. Don't know if it means anything, but given the card "game" earlier just thought I'd point it out.

Yes I saw the card too. It's hard to make out and would love to see a clearer picture of the card if possible. I thought it was the 7 of spades. Which has a very interesting meaning.

So if Kate ends up hooking up with Jack or someone else, would this mean they were the "couple in LA" that were meant to take aaron?


whhoooaaaa...mindbender.

it looks like the seven of spades with some sort of signature at the bottom of the card. I blew up the picture and cropped it:

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3838/clipboard01wp0.jpg

The tin man like characters on the wall also have only 4 toes.

A large robot leading a smaller robot. Going through life robotically. Being programed by someone else....doing what someone else tells you to do....just thinking out loud.

Anyone else notice the strange looking figures on the wall just above Baby-Aaron's head?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x04/4x04-cap880.jpg

At first i thought they had 4 toes...the screencap shows 3 toes and fingers on them...
What are they supposed to be? Kinda like Hopi Kacinka dolls...but they look homemade. Aaron is too young to have made them...a easter egg for sure.

Also check out the art work on the wall in the hallway, and above Aaron's dresser:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x04/4x04-cap876.jpg

I pretty sure we've seen the hallway one before, as the cover of one of the sci-fi books referred to on Lost. The writing on it looks to be Russian.
The girl on the bike haven't seen, but the houses behind her are from another book cover we've seen. i'll bet it's a reference as well.

Notice the playing card on the rt.corner. It has 6 spades on it, but i think the number on it is a 7.

Anyone able to ID these 2?

Anyone else notice the strange looking figures on the wall just above Baby-Aaron's head?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x04/4x04-cap880.jpg

At first i thought they had 4 toes...the screencap shows 3 toes and fingers on them...
What are they supposed to be? Kinda like Hopi Kacinka dolls...but they look homemade. Aaron is too young to have made them...a easter egg for sure.

Also check out the art work on the wall in the hallway, and above Aaron's dresser:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x04/4x04-cap876.jpg

I pretty sure we've seen the hallway one before, as the cover of one of the sci-fi books referred to on Lost. The writing on it looks to be Russian.
The girl on the bike haven't seen, but the houses behind her are from another book cover we've seen. i'll bet it's a reference as well.

Notice the playing card on the rt.corner. It has 6 spades on it, but i think the number on it is a 7.

Anyone able to ID these 2?

I thought they looked like robots...and I agree that Aaron probably didn't make them himself.
I dont recognize the paintings as book covers! I hope someone can find more info on that.
I also noticed there were only 6 spades, and that the number said 7...what a weird painting...why would Kate have even hung it in Aaron's room....I wonder if it was always there or just appeared.

I just thought it was a pretty obvious playful insertion of the Bad Robot logo.

Maybe I'm reading too little into it for once.

i don't think it's a 7. i think it's just a blurry 6.

Maybe Aaron DID make those robots. And for all we know all of the artwork seen in those pictures. It's been discussed that he's probably "special" in some way, like Walt. Maybe one of his special abilities is being able to draw extraordinarily well for his age.

i don't think it's a 7. i think it's just a blurry 6.

I am corrected. It is a 7 of spades. the hand holding the card blocks most of the 7th spade in the lower center part of the card. another interpretation from the tarot thread re. the 7 of spades that is awesome:
Seven of Spades pasted to the painting of the bicycle riding boy.

Here's the image of the Rider-Waite Seven of Swords (which would be the Tarot equivalent to the Seven of Spades).

And here's the meaning:

Taking risks (rationally or irrationally)
Partial success; Partial failure
Dishonesty; Deceit; Betrayal; Deception; Underhanded tricks; Mischief; Treachery; Sabotage; Theft
Taking the easy way out ... Acting shamefully or without honor
Running away from, or turning your back on, your responsibilities. (For example, a “deadbeat dad”)
Getting away with something wrong or unethical
Leveling the playing field
Thinking outside of the box
Guard your belongings and take precautions--something may come up missing.

So - What my usual reaction to seeing the Seven of Swords is: THEFT. It can also mean Kidnapping. And of course, as said above: taking the easy way out, and acting shamefully and without honor.
100%
I found the connection: they ARE robots of a sort.

"Nor is Ben interested in re-reading Valis, a book where an ancient, mechanical intelligence orbiting the earth has been guiding people’s thoughts"

The monsters are the ones from the book "VALIS". They tie in perfectly with the ancient, and huge 4-toed God Statue, and of cours the many faces and powers of Smokie Monster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VALIS

The tin man like characters on the wall also have only 4 toes.

3 toes and fingers, but i think the reference is the same:

Anyone else notice the strange looking figures on the wall just above Baby-Aaron's head?
Mr. and Mrs. Monster?
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season4/4x04/4x04-cap880.jpg

At first i thought they had 4 toes...the screencap shows 3 toes and fingers on them...
What are they supposed to be? Kinda like Hopi Kacinka dolls...but robot versions of them. the noses and horns are right off of Hopi and Navaho dolls. But they look homemade. Aaron is too young to have made them...a easter egg for sure.

Here's Aaron's room from the medical hatch...I don't see any glaring similarities.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x15-maternityleave/4/maternity-leave-cap363.jpg

Yes I saw the card too. It's hard to make out and would love to see a clearer picture of the card if possible. I thought it was the 7 of spades. Which has a very interesting meaning.

Yes indeed! There's a thread discussing this card's meaning from a Tarot interpretation here (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=89709). Basically, it seems to say that Aaron was abducted by Kate... :eek2:

Yes indeed! There's a thread discussing this card's meaning from a Tarot interpretation here (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=89709). Basically, it seems to say that Aaron was abducted by Kate... :eek2:
I looked it up on Tarotpedia, and calling spades swords, came up with this meaning for the 7 of spades (7 Swords)

Taking risks (rationally or irrationally)
Partial success; Partial failure
Dishonesty; Deceit; Betrayal; Deception; Underhanded tricks; Mischief; Treachery; Sabotage; Theft
Taking the easy way out ... Acting shamefully or without honor
Running away from, or turning your back on, your responsibilities. (For example, a “deadbeat dad”)
Getting away with something wrong or unethical
Leveling the playing field
Thinking outside of the box
Guard your belongings and take precautions--something may come up missing

Interesting indeed.

However, maybe the 7th spade is covered on purpose, so I checked the 6 Swords meaning too:
Gaining objectivity or a perspective, especially through distancing yourself from the problem.
Regaining a healthy balance or perspective in your life
Finding support in times of trouble
Leaving problems, failures, or old sorrows behind
A “Journey of Awakening” or a “Spiritual Passage”
Traveling; getting a change of scenery

Both are applicable to Kate, I think.

When watching it I was sure that Aaron said "mummy" as opposed to "mommy", as an American would. I had thought this was just his baby voice, and to be honest that's probably all it was, but with the Australian animal toys in the room, maybe it's an indication that he was raised by Claire at least for a little while, and picked up an Australian accent. Maybe Kate isn't hiding everything about his origin after all?

So if Kate ends up hooking up with Jack or someone else, would this mean they were the "couple in LA" that were meant to take aaron?


whhoooaaaa...mindbender.

Not sure about that, but I think Malkin's warning about Aaron being raised by another is coming to fruition.

Here's Aaron's room from the medical hatch...I don't see any glaring similarities.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x15-maternityleave/4/maternity-leave-cap363.jpg

How about the number 7 in the train painting?;)

How about the number 7 in the train painting?;)
You mean the 7 little shapes?

You guys are really good at picking up all this 'Easter Egg' stuff.

It usually just goes right over my head!

Here's Aaron's room from the medical hatch...I don't see any glaring similarities.
It's not about the details, it's a thematic similiarity. The rooms have the same eerie creepy feel. The toys and decorative pieces all have a surreal look to them. Both seem to be decorated by someone who *thinks* they know what young children like but in fact the end result is just scary. I wouldn't want to spend a night in either room myself ~shudder~ much less let my child sleep in one.
Not sure about that, but I think Malkin's warning about Aaron being raised by another is coming to fruition. Malkin's warning is about everyone except Claire. That includes the Others AND Kate. That's why the rooms are thematically similar - and creepy, we viewers are supposed to sense Aaron's danger.
Kate loves him and doesn't mean him any harm, but he's a **special** child, who needs Claire's purity and solidity to keep him grounded..
Kate's still all wound up with fear and uncertainity and her unresolved feelings about Diane.
Claire forgave her mom, and despite everyone dissing her about not showing grief over Charlie, I think it's the writers' and director's way of showing us that Claire's all about Aaron, as long as he's all right, she's all right. She's very single-minded in that respect, and it's what Charlie would have wanted.

It's not about the details, it's a thematic similiarity. The rooms have the same eerie creepy feel. The toys and decorative pieces all have a surreal look to them. Both seem to be decorated by someone who *thinks* they know what young children like but in fact the end result is just scary.
I see what you're saying. They do have a similar vibe.

Kate loves him and doesn't mean him any harm, but he's a **special** child, who needs Claire's purity and solidity to keep him grounded..
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Do you mean *special* like Walt is * special*?

Do you mean *special* like Walt is * special*? Yes, only even more so..

Like how? Was there anything to allude to that other than Malkins dire warnings? I'm just wondering if I'm missing something.....

It's not about the details, it's a thematic similiarity. The rooms have the same eerie creepy feel. The toys and decorative pieces all have a surreal look to them. Both seem to be decorated by someone who *thinks* they know what young children like but in fact the end result is just scary. I wouldn't want to spend a night in either room myself ~shudder~ much less let my child sleep in one.
Malkin's warning is about everyone except Claire. That includes the Others AND Kate. That's why the rooms are thematically similar - and creepy, we viewers are supposed to sense Aaron's danger.
Kate loves him and doesn't mean him any harm, but he's a **special** child, who needs Claire's purity and solidity to keep him grounded..
Kate's still all wound up with fear and uncertainity and her unresolved feelings about Diane.
Claire forgave her mom, and despite everyone dissing her about not showing grief over Charlie, I think it's the writers' and director's way of showing us that Claire's all about Aaron, as long as he's all right, she's all right. She's very single-minded in that respect, and it's what Charlie would have wanted.

Wow, I didn't sense the "creepiness" of Aaron's room in Kate's house at all. In fact, I would say the opposite. I thought Kate seemed settled and grounded, and the scene in Aaron's room was sweet and loving. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't keep in mind the warning Claire received and how ominous it sounded...

But my thoughts were that if Kate was taking care of Aaron, then something had happened to Claire - and Claire might have asked Kate to take him.

I found the connection: they ARE robots of a sort.

"Nor is Ben interested in re-reading Valis, a book where an ancient, mechanical intelligence orbiting the earth has been guiding people’s thoughts"

The monsters are the ones from the book "VALIS". They tie in perfectly with the ancient, and huge 4-toed God Statue, and of cours the many faces and powers of Smokie Monster.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VALIS

Wow, that's really interesting!!

I will spoiler font this, just for those of us who don't indulge in Lost Magazine:
There was a frame by frame of the Orchid station (believe it was 6) orientation film in the last magazine I got. One of the frames was upside down, but of a person riding a bicycle in front of some houses. It looked like Othersville. That's what the bicycle painting reminds me of.
The piano painting with the Lostie green door, instantly reminds me of Charlie. Because he played the 'piano' that ended his life. And its like Charlie is in another world, but the door is open so that he can 'visit' with Aaron..maybe. Flame away!

I think the bicycle relates to the Third Policeman (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Policeman)clue.

From the above link on the book:

There he is introduced to various peculiar or irrational concepts, artifacts...; a vast underground chamber called 'Eternity', where time stands still, mysterious numbers are devoutly recorded and worried about by the policemen, and there is a box from which anything you desire can be produced (like Locke's father?); an intricate carved chest containing an infinite series of identical but smaller chests; and a theory of the transfer of atoms between a man and his bicycle:“”
It is later discovered that Mathers has been found dead in a ditch, apparently gutted by Martin Finnucane, and the narrator is blamed because he is the most convenient suspect. He calls on the help of Finnucane, but his rescue is thwarted by a bicycle painted with an unknown colour which drives those who see it mad. He faces the gallows, then narrowly escapes on a beautiful bicycle when the two policemen are called away by dangerously high readings in the underground chamber.

My interpretation of that would be that Aaron made a very narrow escape from the island, and that it also refers to Kate's very narrow escape the law. When Sawyer makes his escape from a con, there is a bicycle on the screen.

Here's Aaron's room from the medical hatch...I don't see any glaring similarities.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x15-maternityleave/4/maternity-leave-cap363.jpg

The color of the walls, the plaid blue and yellow pillows, and the train painting was definitely painted by the same artist as those behind the door in Kate's house. Also the same style dresser. Might be a little darker in Kate's house, or that could be attributed to lighting.

So if Kate ends up hooking up with Jack or someone else, would this mean they were the "couple in LA" that were meant to take aaron?


whhoooaaaa...mindbender.

Woah!! That would be course-correction right there. I love this idea!

I think its odd that there are playing cards stuck to paintings. Could they be for protection?

So if Kate ends up hooking up with Jack or someone else, would this mean they were the "couple in LA" that were meant to take aaron?


whhoooaaaa...mindbender.

This gave me chills so bad! I looked around my room cause I was so scared after reading this! LMAO! But this idea would be sick!

I think its odd that there are playing cards stuck to paintings. Could they be for protection?

This is talked about in this thread (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=89709). The card is a clue.

since when do robots have nipples.

since when do robots have nipples.

When smoke monsters became real.:)

About the couple in LA thing - I was under the impression that there was never a couple in LA. I thought that the psychic KNEW the plane would crash and assumed that Claire and Aaron would die, therefore solving the problem of whatever things he foresaw Aaron doing if he were raised by another. So I thought he made up the couple.

i posted this in another thread, but it seems to be relevant here as well
this has been a fascinating thread...one of the best in as long as i've been lurking around here
has anyone else noticed in the screencap with the painting the blocks on top of the dresser in the foreground? perhaps this is a stretch, but i am immediately reminded of that large factory building in england in one of charlie's flashbacks from season 2 (i think it was 2...). i recall reading on here that the building had importance later on. there's the large smokestacks and windows- it looks just like it to me. also, note the little red and blue toy clock structure toward the left...an homage to big ben/another london reference? i'll try to find a screen cap of that building for reference

edit:
i'm not so good at finding all the screencaps and everything as you all seem to be, but this is at least what i'm talking about
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Widmore_Construction.jpg

i posted this in another thread, but it seems to be relevant here as well

Wow you are right, that is definitely a model of the building!

I bet Aaron built it, too. I said earlier in this thread that I think he is special and it's possible that he did make those robots on the wall, even though they are way advanced for a normal child of his age. Aaron can probably see things - almost like Astral projection - and saw that, and built it.

Good find.

You mean the 7 little shapes?

Well, at first I thought that the 3rd shape on the bottom row (starting from the left) was a number 7, but I'm not so sure. What do you guys think?

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x15-maternityleave/4/maternity-leave-cap363.jpg

Oh and yeah, you're right, they're 7 on bottom an 7 on top!