it seemed as if TPTB wanted that part of the conversation between sun and jin to stand out with that pause they had. does anyone think there is any significance to sun saying "I want to raise MY baby in Korea"?

Kind of weird. I mean, we know now that the baby is Jin's -- so I thought it was odd that Sun referred to it as hers.

And Jin doesn't know about her affair, either. This is weird.

Yes, Jin deserved better than that.

Sun's wanting to go back to Korea doesn't make sense either, based on her flashbacks.

She's always had a strong deceptive streak, I don't think we've seen the last of Bad Sun.

After living so many months on the island, Sun just probably and finally realizes how good she had it living in Korea, under the financial protection of papa Paik.
As for the "my baby" statement...I'm thinking its a hint by TPTB that Jin, like Claire, will most likely end up a casualty.

Yeah, I don't get why she's suddenly keen to go back to Korea. Weren't they, like, running for their lives from her father? I also found it really annoying that she was all "what if Locke's right?" to Jack. Why didn't she just go with Locke in the first place?

Parents talk like that. Whenever there's a disagreement about how to raise the children, it's all "I don't want MY son to join the Boy Scouts . . . ."

But when the child misbehaves, it's all, "YOUR son is smarting off again."


But yeah, this was a pretty significant power struggle. And the most important part was what remained unsaid--how Jin and Sun are going to deal with Mr. Paik, or get free of him.

Jin trying to pronounce Albuquerque, was pretty hilarious.

I thought it was an odd little scene. I don't understand why she would want to go back to Korea. At least they had some screen time?

Sun is pregnant by Michael, not Jin

Sun is pregnant by Michael, not Jin

I got a flash of terror at that thought as soon as I heard that. Well, we'll know if we ever see the baby, it's not something that can be left up for interpretation, but I really hope that's not the case.

I love Jin, but it's sad that these were his very first lines this season. He really deserves more, both in terms of Sun and in screen presence.

I got a flash of terror at that thought as soon as I heard that. Well, we'll know if we ever see the baby, it's not something that can be left up for interpretation, but I really hope that's not the case.

I love Jin, but it's sad that these were his very first lines this season. He really deserves more, both in terms of Sun and in screen presence.

I could not agree more! Whenever I think of the Michael thing I get a bit nauseous. I hope Jin eventually gets the Disney ending for all the things he's done. The quiet sacrifices that no one else knows about really show true character.

Sun is pregnant by Michael, not Jin


I don't know if it is Michael, but I think this very pointed conversation foreshadows that Jin is NOT the father. And of course all we really know is that Sun conceived on the island.

Yeah, I don't get why she's suddenly keen to go back to Korea. Weren't they, like, running for their lives from her father? I also found it really annoying that she was all "what if Locke's right?" to Jack. Why didn't she just go with Locke in the first place?

Maybe because she knows that women who get pregnant on the Island die.

Sun is pregnant by Michael, not Jin

??? I saw the mobisode of them together. Are we to infer that bc of one almost kiss that they had sex?

Why do you assume Michael?

Sun is pregnant by Michael, not Jin

I thought the same thing! She'd definitely have some explaining to do if that's the case. :eek2:

I thought it was a weird little conversation to be having, too. It obviously means something in the grand scheme of things, otherwise they would not have put it in there. I understand why they want to get OFF the island (so Sun won't die being pregnant). But I don't understand why she wouldn't want to take off for parts unknown, unless she suspects that they won't be able too, with all the noteriety that might come with being part of a large plane wreck. Naomi, Charlotte, or Miles may have mentioned what a big deal it is - or she might just guess. In any case, they might not be able to escape Papa Paik.

I have convo's with my hubby about my kid vs your kid when they are acting up, and Jin & Sun DID have that convo last season about naming the baby.

Jin: If it's a boy, I want to use a character from my father's name

Sun: Or my mother's.

I am definitely Team Jin. Sun has been much too sneaky this whole show for my tastes. And that Lost: Missing Pieces epi sure did raise MY eyebrows about the whole Michael/Sun relationship. Who knows what exactly what point it was trying to make?

i dont think that saying MY will be something that we should care about. ....... my opinion.

I often say "my" when referring to our children. I don't mean anything by it - it just comes out that way. It seemed to me that she was just conveying her wishes for the baby.

That line definitely stuck out. WTF? Sun already cried with joy that it was Jin's baby. How could that now be thrown into question. Odd. My only thought was, maybe she thinks she's going to get off the island and Jin isn't? Still, odd.

I often say "my" when referring to our children. I don't mean anything by it - it just comes out that way. It seemed to me that she was just conveying her wishes for the baby.

I do, too. I just think that TPTB put that whole conversation in there for a reason.

Here they go again, messing with our heads, while we spend too much time wondering if an offhand comment has some deeper meaning in the grand scheme of things. The sign of a good show - when EVERYTHING is construed as having deeper meaning!

Jin trying to pronounce Albuquerque, was pretty hilarious.

But of any place on earth, why Albuquerque? Did Jin see some Western that was set there?

I can see why a pregnant woman would want to nest back home, where the language and environment are familiar and she has friends. Immigration is a disorienting enough experience. So is parenthood. It wouldn't be easy to do them together.

On the other hand, before they crashed, Jin and Sun had both, separately, made plans to escape Korea.

In DOC Juliet gave Sun the date of conception for the baby. It was right in the last third or so of Season 1, when Sun and Jin were split up and at the same time she was close to Michael. I think this conversation and the mobisode were both meant to either foreshadow the revelation that the baby is Michael's, or to make us think that.

But of any place on earth, why Albuquerque? Did Jin see some Western that was set there?

You had me laughing at that one. Even for speakers of American (I say that b/c I live in America and not England - and I DO realize that Albuquerque is NOT an American OR English word!) Albuquerque is hard to see and then pronounce.

I just thought it was funny, seeing as Albuquerque is kind of a funny word.

If you have been through a pregancy you know how the baby goes from being both of your's to being just the mothers depending on their mood. :-)

Jin and Sun had some contention between one another, Jin was being difficult, so Sun played the, "my body my baby" card.

In DOC Juliet gave Sun the date of conception for the baby. It was right in the last third or so of Season 1, when Sun and Jin were split up and at the same time she was close to Michael. I think this conversation and the mobisode were both meant to either foreshadow the revelation that the baby is Michael's, or to make us think that.

JULIET: Okay. You crashed here 90 days ago. The baby was conceived about 8 weeks ago. So, around 53 days. You got pregnant on the island.
[Sun breaks down crying]
JULIET: [Crying] I am so sorry. I'm so sorry, Sun. I will do everything that I can.
SUN: [Crying and smiling] It's Jin's.

So, circa day 37. OK, that does seem a bit problematic as that's in the time frame when Jin was helping Michael build the raft (and not talking to Sun). Still, if she had slept with Michael she wouldn't have reacted that way, would she?

More importantly, Cuse has stated (I think somewhere on a bonus DVD) that they had originally intended for Michael and Sun to hook up, but decided not to go down that path due to fan feedback favoring Sun & Jin as a couple. So the mobisode was just something which, for good reason, was on the cutting room floor.

It worries me that this was a foreshadowing and Sun and Jin will be separated. I hope this isn't true cause we already have Claire and Aaron separated, Sawyer and Kate separated. They just like to break up the love :/

I found that odd to that Sun wanted to go back to Korea. I don't know the scene seemed odd :confused: maybe I'm reading too much into it.

I think that it is to foreshadow the stubborn/selfish nature of Sun. It's her baby and she will take it to Korea. Period. Not as important why as to just hear her telling Jin how the child will be raised. Her way. (She's starting to remind me of Kate.) And I think the scene was also to generate some sympathy for Jin. His character has become strong, gentle, protective, faithful on the island. Something will happen in their episode that will require us to accept that Sun is deceptive/selfish and that Jin is the sympathetic character.

I think that it is to foreshadow the stubborn/selfish nature of Sun. It's her baby and she will take it to Korea. Period. Not as important why as to just hear her telling Jin how the child will be raised. Her way. (She's starting to remind me of Kate.) And I think the scene was also to generate some sympathy for Jin. His character has become strong, gentle, protective, faithful on the island. Something will happen in their episode that will require us to accept that Sun is deceptive/selfish and that Jin is the sympathetic character.

She has been awfully sneaky all along...

It's weird, b/c in the beginning we (I) thought that Jin was this big, bad, scary dude and Sun was this meek, sweet lady. We see the real reasons Jin was the way he was - it was all for her. Sun, well, (and as much as I really love the characters) is kind of just a spoiled, rotten rich girl.....

Let the bashing begin!

It really makes you wonder doesn't it?

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=89816

Jin trying to pronounce Albuquerque, was pretty hilarious.
It was sweet, not hilarious. jmo

Well, the line was put in there for a reason. At best, it was to serve as a counterpoint to how Sawyer was reacting to the possibility of Kate being pregnant. At worst, Sun let slip her belief that Jin would meet his demise if the freighties return them to civilization, perhaps at the hands of Paik.

Parents talk like that. Whenever there's a disagreement about how to raise the children, it's all "I don't want MY son to join the Boy Scouts . . . ."

But when the child misbehaves, it's all, "YOUR son is smarting off again."


But yeah, this was a pretty significant power struggle. And the most important part was what remained unsaid--how Jin and Sun are going to deal with Mr. Paik, or get free of him.

You beat me to the punch.
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Sun is pregnant by Michael, not Jin

:eek2: Huh? I missed something major... Please elaborate.

She was studying English and planning to leave Korea to leave her life with Jin behind and start something new for herself. She and Jin seemed to have reconciled their issues on island, and she may no longer see going back to Korea as returning to a caged, lonely existance she was trying to run away from, but somewhere she can start a happy family.

She was studying English and planning to leave Korea to leave her life with Jin behind and start something new for herself. She and Jin seemed to have reconciled their issues on island, and she may no longer see going back to Korea as returning to a caged, lonely existance she was trying to run away from, but somewhere she can start a happy family.

That's a good point. I wonder if they can ever be truly happy as long as Jin is working for Papa Paik. I also wonder if Papa Paik would ever let Jin go.

I hope they decide to have another, more lengthy conversation and that they both take each other's points of view into consideration. Of course, we would not get our 'drama fix' that way, so I doubt it will happen......

I think that when Juliet told Sun she got pregnant after the crash Sun was genuinely happy when she found out that she's with Jin's child - even knowing that she'll probably die. So I don't think she has had sex with someone else on the island. And I honestly believe that if TPTB go through the whole "Whose baby is it?" with Sun again, they'll just be playing silly.

Sun's wanting to go back to Korea doesn't make sense either, based on her flashbacks.

Sun wasn't running away from Korea. She was just running away from Jin. But now she's got the good Jin back, there's no point in living away from her home anymore. She got all she needs.

Aside from parents typically saying MY child. This, I think, shows that the power balance in Jin and Sun's relationship has shifted. Jin used to pull the strings, but now Sun is. Possibly showing that she is her father's daughter.

Aside from parents typically saying MY child. This, I think, shows that the power balance in Jin and Sun's relationship has shifted. Jin used to pull the strings, but now Sun is. Possibly showing that she is her father's daughter.

Or just finally asserting herself. You remember last season - or whenever, I'm so confused, when Jin & Sayid were headed out in the boat and Sun invited herself along - Jin just shrugged (I still can't think about it w/out cracking up!), and then when they were discussing names. I hope that it is just a sign of Sun asserting herself and nothing more sinister...
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BTW, I do say MY child too - when they are being good.

When they're being bad, they are all HIS!!!

I don't really see the big deal in Sun using the word . . . MY. She just used it. I wouldn't be surprised if Jin ended up using that same word every now and then.

If the word "my" hadn't meant anything, then the writers wouldn't have followed it up with Jin's remark about it being our child.

it seemed as if TPTB wanted that part of the conversation between sun and jin to stand out with that pause they had. does anyone think there is any significance to sun saying "I want to raise MY baby in Korea"?
Sun opportunistically wants to get an entry into the Cage Match of the Baby Messiahs, and to that end having a "virgin" birth would give hers a leg up.

I don't find it odd that Sun wants to return to Korea. As many people mentioned, her main reason for leaving Korea was her failed marriage with Jin and the plan to leave him. Now that they have worked things out, I can see why she would want to go home. For her, Korea is home. It is a big deal to leave your home country, and I can see why Sun would feel like she should raise her child as Korean. Sun has stood up to Papa Paik in the past, and right now he might seem kind of a small challenge in comparison to island craziness that they have had to deal with...especially now that Jin and Sun are a united front again.

I feel like I have to keep defending this in several places, but I think Sun's questioning of Jack about whether Locke was right in this instance was reasonable. As Damon pointed out in a recent podcast, Locke did have the more salient argument with the Charlie knowledge. Sun went with Jack, but she is close friends with Kate, and it is well within reason for her to wonder why Kate no longer seems to think it is a good idea to go with Jack...it looks right now to Sun that Kate switched sides. I don't think there is anything wrong with Sun questioning Jack. By raising her concerns and talking it out with him, she was acting like a good Team Jack member. Jack, at his best, takes input from those with him--unlike Locke who is now heading towards dictator mode (no matter what he says). Sun didn't mean to hurt Jack by raising questions. She was looking out for the safety of everyone in the group, which she often does. She is a team player.

Back to the topic question--
I didn't find Sun saying "my baby" as very significant or her trying to make a possessive statement. She seemed pretty convinced when speaking with Juliet that if the child was conceived on the island, then it is Jin's child. I do think there were hints of an interest in Michael, but in the end she chose Jin.

However, I DID think Jin stressing "OUR baby" was important. I think Jin knows more than we think he does. I think he knows that Sun cheated on him in Korea. This jealousy might have also affected his reaction to Michael in the first season. I think Jin might have begun to suspect and/or know that the parentage of the baby might be suspect...so when Sun said "my baby" he was reacting with his suspicions. Just because Sun knows for sure that it is his, does not mean Jin knows for sure.

Just throwing this out there:
Has anyone considered the whole "time-thing" on the island? What if she was pregnant by that dude teaching her english in Korea, but when they tested her on the island they incorrectly concluded the baby was concieved on the island b/c they did not take into account the different time that takes place on the island. If for example Island time is slower than real world time, the time of conception would get pushed back to before the crash, when we know Jin is infertile....

I too thought it odd about the "my baby" "our baby" exchange. I took it to be a hint that it may not be Jin's after all.

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure time is moving forward at a normal rate for the characters, it's just different in relation to how time moves off of it. What I mean is the characters have been on the Island 4 months, so they are now four months older, not how much older they would have been if they had stayed off the Island. So it still would have been the normal development for a baby that was concieved X months ago off Island.

As for the my baby thing, I really don't think it meant anything. I think she was just being possesive because Jin was arguing with her.

I think the "my v.s. our" phrasing was simply an attempt by the writer's to solidify Jin's renewed committment to his marriage. By saying "our baby", Jin was implying that he was wholeheartedly into his family.

In complete contrast to the conversation that Kate and Sawyer had.