Assuming that the eggs Locke made for Ben's breakfast were laid by the chicken that Locke killed and was going to serve as dinner for the group...

How is it possible that a chicken can lay eggs/reproduce but humans can't?
Wouldn't whatever effect the island is having on the Losties/Others also have the same effect on animals?
I just thought this was strange.

Any thoughts?

Well, chickens aren't mammals and their reproductive systems work differently.

But what came 1st? - sorry couldn't resist...

This is a very good point. Off the top of my head my explanation would be that chicken eggs are hatched and female eggs remain in the woman and are born. I'm sure there's a better way to say that, but you should get my point.

Well, chickens aren't mammals and their reproductive systems work differently.

Yep. The presence of eggs doesn't indicate that the chickens were having babies... you can have eggs that don't develop into baby chickens... just like the Others were able to concieve, but not carry to term.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys.

I guess I was just over-thinking the significance of Locke telling Ben those were the last two eggs and then slaughtering a chicken that we later find out most probably would be the main course for the dinner he was preparing for everyone.
Locke never struck me as the happy homemaker.

I still think it's odd, though.

Yeah, why kill the chicken if you're low on eggs.......

Yeah, why kill the chicken if you're low on eggs.......

You assume it's the only chicken. ;)

If you guys are referring to the scene where Kate is at the door and he's wiping off his bloody hands and says "I just killed a chicken"....then I think you're confused.

1. There should be no chickens in "New Otherton". No one has been living there for some time (the others gassed and abononed Jack and the likes there some time ago now)...so therefore IF there were chickens, no one was there to feed or take care of them. That means they would be dead.

2. If you noticed, Locke paused when responding, and I think this was the point in which you were all supposed to assume (as I did) that his hand was bleeding from an injury (obtained from slamming the plate against the wall.

That's what I took from it all...but then again I have not rewatched the epi yet...

If you guys are referring to the scene where Kate is at the door and he's wiping off his bloody hands and says "I just killed a chicken"....then I think you're confused.

1. There should be no chickens in "New Otherton". No one has been living there for some time (the others gassed and abononed Jack and the likes there some time ago now)...so therefore IF there were chickens, no one was there to feed or take care of them. That means they would be dead.

2. If you noticed, Locke paused when responding, and I think this was the point in which you were all supposed to assume (as I did) that his hand was bleeding from an injury (obtained from slamming the plate against the wall.

That's what I took from it all...but then again I have not rewatched the epi yet...

Perhaps you're right on number 1, but regardless of whether or not there are chickens in Otherville, I think you're right about 2. This is what I thought as well.

Yet the episode was titled "Eggtown", the eggs were served before the chicken dinner, and they were the last two eggs.

What would be the significance of naming the episode "Eggtown"? I dunno...I don't have any thoughts on what this could mean. But it seems like everything means something.

If you guys are referring to the scene where Kate is at the door and he's wiping off his bloody hands and says "I just killed a chicken"....then I think you're confused.

1. There should be no chickens in "New Otherton". No one has been living there for some time (the others gassed and abononed Jack and the likes there some time ago now)...so therefore IF there were chickens, no one was there to feed or take care of them. That means they would be dead.

2. If you noticed, Locke paused when responding, and I think this was the point in which you were all supposed to assume (as I did) that his hand was bleeding from an injury (obtained from slamming the plate against the wall.

That's what I took from it all...but then again I have not rewatched the epi yet...


If there are no domesticated chickens in New Otherton, there are at least wild ones roaming the island. Goodwin killed one while he was with the Tailies. If they have hamburgers, they certainly can have chicken. ;)

Yet the episode was titled "Eggtown", the eggs were served before the chicken dinner, and they were the last two eggs.

What would be the significance of naming the episode "Eggtown"? I dunno...I don't have any thoughts on what this could mean. But it seems like everything means something.


I took the title of the episode to be a hidden meaning...

There was a whole back story about Kate having a kid, Kate and Sawyer's conversation about being pregnant, and then finding out that it was Aaron (not Kate's egg, but Claires).

The title had to do with a woman's eggs.

Another possibility is the obvious: "Which comes first, the chicken or the egg?" A nice little hint at time anomalies and/or paradoxes (which according to Doc Jensen interview http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20179125,00.html?xid=email-alert-lost-20080221-item1 where Cuse & Lindelhof swear they're "anti-paradox.").

Still - I don't believe he killed a chicken, either.

I took the title of the episode to be a hidden meaning...

There was a whole back story about Kate having a kid, Kate and Sawyer's conversation about being pregnant, and then finding out that it was Aaron (not Kate's egg, but Claires).

The title had to do with a woman's eggs.
Ditto...Thanks for saving me the typing...but are we forgetting that the pigs reproduce...Locke was trying to lure the sow away so he could snatch one of the offspring...(<>..<>)

You have to go back to the episode where Locke tells Ben he's cheating. He says if you knew about this island you wouldnt be keeping Chicken in the fridge

Locke serves up Ben the last of that. Basically telling ben that his way is over.

As soon as Locke opened the fridge I knew where the writers were going with that--because thats really what ticked locke off when he was in Bens house(I believe it was the Man from Talahasee)

Even with the pregnancy stories and serving Ben eggs, the title still seems weird to me...like there is another meaning we're missing.

I also thought the blood was from Locke's rage when he threw the tray against the wall.

Upon first viewing I also thought Locke had hurt his hand when he threw the tray at the wall-- there was broken glass it looked like, if I remember correctly.

I just thought of something else egg related...the Cuckoo's Egg. When a mother bird ends up raising a chick who is not biologically her own.

I immediately thought, chicken schmicken, he cut his hand in his temper tantrum. He told Ben it was the last of the eggs. If there was still a chicken left, there would be more eggs in the future and it would be foolish to kill it for one meal if it could produce many more. He lied in one sentence or the other, we just have to figure out which. I agree that him telling Ben so was a veiled power message. I also wondered why Locke wouldn't eat them himself or give them to the nursing mother Claire. Why give your best protein to the prisoner?

I could see chickens living in the wild. I'm sure they'd find something to eat. Weeds, grasses. I don't think much time has passed since the others left the camp. Believable.
And I too believe Locke was actually wiping his blood off his hands.
100%
I immediately thought, chicken schmicken, he cut his hand in his temper tantrum. He told Ben it was the last of the eggs. If there was still a chicken left, there would be more eggs in the future and it would be foolish to kill it for one meal if it could produce many more. He lied in one sentence or the other, we just have to figure out which. I agree that him telling Ben so was a veiled power message. I also wondered why Locke wouldn't eat them himself or give them to the nursing mother Claire. Why give your best protein to the prisoner?
My first thought was that he lied about the eggs being the last 2. I for some reason do not believe that. Not sure if it will matter though.

It would be foolish to kill the chicken if it laid eggs...and Locke is being foolish. Perhaps they meant to underscore that fact. He's drunk on his own power to the point that he's lost touch with the island. Maybe he's "hatching" a plan. :biggrin:

Also, I've found this at this link (http://http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/eggtown/topic/11431-985816/msgs.html):
Egg-town is a pejorative term that refers to the days of bartering, during the Great Depression. A traveling salesman would have to barter his candy or tobacco or shoelaces for different commodities. A poor exchange would be for eggs, a relatively common item that is also highly perishable. Nobody wants to trade for eggs from a traveling salesman because they have their own, so the salesman who accepted an egg in exchange was forced to accept a bad deal. Salesmen would use the term like "If I were you I would stay away from Bogart. That's an egg-town." Of course, the lack of trust among salesman was also high, and it was likely that one salesman would lie to another about the quality of a town's customers to keep them for himself. Invariably, the second salesman ventures into Bogart only to find it is truly an egg-town. He is either persuaded to not visit a town that has good customers or is tricked into visiting a town that can only offer eggs. The term "egg-town" represents a deal with undesirable outcomes in either case.

The original source is credited as lostpedia.

I really don't understand why people don't get the title, it's so obvious.

Losties living at othersville are a metaphor for eggtown.

If you put eggs into one basket you have to be careful, or they will break eachother. I think this was also the promo shot for the episode - basket full of eggs.

Is the date not Christmas day 0n the island ? So perhaps Locke making Christmas dinner !

If you guys are referring to the scene where Kate is at the door and he's wiping off his bloody hands and says "I just killed a chicken"....then I think you're confused.

1. There should be no chickens in "New Otherton". No one has been living there for some time (the others gassed and abononed Jack and the likes there some time ago now)...so therefore IF there were chickens, no one was there to feed for take care of them. That means they would be dead.

No, chickens don't need us to feed them and take care of them. They were doing it for themselves long before we decided to lock them in cages and give them processed feed. Also, there would be lots of food for them on the island, especially bugs, which they love.

If you ever get a chance to visit Kauai you will see chickens EVERYWHERE. After hurricane Iniki domesticated chickens were freed and have multiplied exponentially. It's quite a sight to see them on the beaches, in parking lots, even many inside some of the restaurants. They feed themselves and have no real predators so they pretty much do as they please. It's actually comical to see cars stopping to let some of them cross the "proverbial road." :biggrin:

It would be foolish to kill the chicken if it laid eggs...and Locke is being foolish. Perhaps they meant to underscore that fact. He's drunk on his own power to the point that he's lost touch with the island. Maybe he's "hatching" a plan. :biggrin:

Also, I've found this at this link (http://http://www.tv.com/lost/show/24313/eggtown/topic/11431-985816/msgs.html):
Egg-town is a pejorative term that refers to the days of bartering, during the Great Depression. A traveling salesman would have to barter his candy or tobacco or shoelaces for different commodities. A poor exchange would be for eggs, a relatively common item that is also highly perishable. Nobody wants to trade for eggs from a traveling salesman because they have their own, so the salesman who accepted an egg in exchange was forced to accept a bad deal. Salesmen would use the term like "If I were you I would stay away from Bogart. That's an egg-town." Of course, the lack of trust among salesman was also high, and it was likely that one salesman would lie to another about the quality of a town's customers to keep them for himself. Invariably, the second salesman ventures into Bogart only to find it is truly an egg-town. He is either persuaded to not visit a town that has good customers or is tricked into visiting a town that can only offer eggs. The term "egg-town" represents a deal with undesirable outcomes in either case.

The original source is credited as lostpedia.

This was my first thought since there was so much bartering going on in this episode and the possibility of a deal struck between Miles and Ben that really doesn't involve money.

I really don't understand why people don't get the title, it's so obvious.

Losties living at othersville are a metaphor for eggtown.

If you put eggs into one basket you have to be careful, or they will break eachother. I think this was also the promo shot for the episode - basket full of eggs.

I like this, too. Those who followed Locke like sheep may be in a much more fragile position than if they had stayed at the beach. I find it interesting how the writers will often give us hints through characters' lines in a previous episode of what is to come. In this episode Sawyer says he thinks he's better off in Otherton than at the beach. I wonder . . . :rolleyes:

I immediately thought, chicken schmicken, he cut his hand in his temper tantrum. He told Ben it was the last of the eggs. If there was still a chicken left, there would be more eggs in the future and it would be foolish to kill it for one meal if it could produce many more. He lied in one sentence or the other, we just have to figure out which. I agree that him telling Ben so was a veiled power message. I also wondered why Locke wouldn't eat them himself or give them to the nursing mother Claire. Why give your best protein to the prisoner?

Chicken schmicken lickem.

That was my first thought. Locke wouldn't dare admit that he cut himself with some broken glass because he had a hissy fit after Ben one-upped him. Again.

In some ways, it was a season 2 retread. Ben locked in a room and Locke feeding him.

What do you want to bet that the basement had a back door and Ben could use to come and go as he pleased?

Later at dinner when Kate asked, "I thought we were having chicken?"
Locke replied, "The chicken was a sacrifice the Island demanded. Now eat your fickin' Dharma Beany Weenies."

I at first thought he might have cut his hand when he threw the tray but after watching the epi again I don't think so. Locke throws the tray with his left hand under it and never touches anything breakable like the plate. After Locke gets mad he storms out of his (Ben's) place and quickly walks off to the right. You can see both of his hands and there's nothing on them. Kate then asks Claire what that was all about. I think this is when Locke goes and gets the chicken.

I think it's safe to assume that Kate finishes her morning coffee with Claire and then she later goes to Locke's place to talk to him. That's when we see him with blood on his hands. If he had cut himself from throwing the tray (which was almost certainly plastic), he would have cleaned up by then.

Also, when he's playing backgammon with Sawyer there are no cuts on his hands. Locke just had a temper tantrum but no slice and dice to the hands. He saved that for the chicken. ;)