View Full Version : Where (geographically) did Kate commit her crime?
Bella 02-22-2008, 01:36 AM Wasn't it somewhere in the South, wherever she's originally from? How come she wasn't extradited back there for the trial? I find it odd that her case was tried in Los Angeles.
Am I missing some sort of legal loophole? :confused:
DeadCharlie 02-22-2008, 01:45 AM She did have a federal marshall after her, I believe her case was federal level after she had piled up so many charges, therefore it could have been in L.A.
phorkster 02-22-2008, 01:45 AM And I don't quite get why they want her to stay in-state as part of the deal..
LockeLove 02-22-2008, 01:46 AM Kate is originally from Iowa, so I think that's where the crime took place. They could have asked to try her out of state because of media attention, etc., but I would think LA would be the worst place to do that.
Bella 02-22-2008, 01:47 AM Kate is originally from Iowa, so I think that's where the crime took place. They could have asked to try her out of state because of media attention, etc., but I would think LA would be the worst place to do that.
Really! I don't get it, and I hope it's explained down the line.
DeadCharlie 02-22-2008, 01:49 AM Federal Marshall+Federal Crimes=Federal Courthouse
Bella 02-22-2008, 01:53 AM There are federal courthouses in Iowa.
DeadCharlie 02-22-2008, 01:58 AM It wouldn't be a stretch or something that needed explanation for them to hold her trial in the nearest federal courthouse. I am not trying to patronize here, I just believe you are looking for Jacobs cabin in the wrong circle of ash if you catch my drift.
Bella 02-22-2008, 02:01 AM It wouldn't be a stretch or something that needed explanation for them to hold her trial in the nearest federal courthouse. I am not trying to patronize here, I just believe you are looking for Jacobs cabin in the wrong circle of ash if you catch my drift.
:lol2: I catch your drift. I was just curious, really.
driveshaft76 02-22-2008, 02:04 AM It doesn't make sense, but it was the least of the trials factual inaccuracies though.
Ok, I am sorry, I have to say this before I offer my two cents on this subject. And I mean it in the most non-inflammatory way possible...
But like 90% of the posts in "Didn't Love It" are women. Since the beginning of the show, Kate's episodes have been blasted by some of the girls on the board and I just don't seem to understand it. Don't believe me? Take a look for yourself. We get it, ya don't like Kate. She's not my favorite either, but every episode has someone talking about her being shot in a bikini to boost rating and blah blah blah. Seriously, just check it out. I've brought this up before and got my head ripped off for it, but c'mon. If this was a Charlie/Sawyer/Sayid/Jack/Hurley episode with the same premise people would just say "Oh its an inaccuracy" and move on and not "This episode is awful because of this". And before anyone accuses me of being a fanboy, I thought the episode was the weakest of the season so far, too.
Anyway, federal crimes will be tried in any federal courthouse. There would be 100% no need for her to go back to Iowa to stand trial. The real question is *why* any of these are federal crimes, except for robbing a bank across state lines. Everything else doesn't really fit. That is the big inaccuracy to me.
That being said, every episode of LOST is full of inaccuracies, which to some people translates to "poor writing". Every one of 'em. I don't agree because it's meant to be fun and interesting and sometimes you bend the rules of the real world when writing, as this show does all the time.
I do think she was tried in LA because she was being chased by Federal Marshalls and not the Iowa Bureau of Investigations.
That's my thought anyway.
...and I don't want to start an arguing thing about the Kate/Didn't Love It analysis, so please don't flame me - I wont respond.. I just wanted to state my case. Thanks =]
Sam G 02-22-2008, 02:57 AM Sier
I totally agree with your observations. I happen to like Kate. Also, almost every character has had their shirt off, to the joy of their fans and when the boys have their shirts off I don't hear the women yelling "gratuitous sex".
I believe Kate killed Wayne in Iowa but I don't think she was born there. Kate's mug shot from the Marshal was from PA? She was trying to get a ticket for Tallahassee, FL when the Marshal arrested her the first time.
Interesting that none of the bank robbery came up.
Sier
I totally agree with your observations. I happen to like Kate. Also, almost every character has had their shirt off, to the joy of their fans and when the boys have their shirts off I don't hear the women yelling "gratuitous sex".
I believe Kate killed Wayne in Iowa but I don't think she was born there. Kate's mug shot from the Marshal was from PA? She was trying to get a ticket for Tallahassee, FL when the Marshal arrested her the first time.
Interesting that none of the bank robbery came up.
Yeah, the crazy geography of it all is what is the most puzzling. I think the easiest way to explain is "federal courthouse", but some of her crimes wouldn't be tried there...
And I guess technically she wasn't "robbing the bank", but it was definitely some form of armed robbery.
Confusing.
Oceanic Lost My Luggage 02-22-2008, 04:53 AM Just another 2 cents.....If it was a federal trial in a federal courthouse there would not have been a California flag, there would not have been California deputies, and there wouldn't have been a DA. There would have been a US flag, US marshalls, and the prosecutor a United States attorney. I know that the judge mentioned federal custody, but everything appeared as if it was in a state court room and she was being tried in California for the state of California. I know it's science fiction but the whole court thing seems to be way to far fetched. Just my 2 cents worth.
I'm only vaguely familiar with the US juridical system - but I wrote this down to the fact that whenever the O6 'got rescued' they probably (probably because there's nothing supporting this assumption as of yet) were in California and she might have been required to stay put till her trial? :undecide:
LostMyMarbles 02-22-2008, 10:21 AM Once you cross state lines, a criminal case becomes a legitimate federal matter, right? Kate was crossing state lines like nobody's business. Remember all the license plates in the trunk of the car?
Andok 02-22-2008, 10:55 AM I'm assuming that for whatever reason it was meant to be a federal trial, and for whatever reason, it was held in California. I also think that the prosecution insisting she STAY in the state is a victory for Dharma or whoever the helicopter/freighties work for. They don't want her going back to the island, and the prosecutor is one of them.
wanders01 02-22-2008, 11:05 AM I'm beginning to think it was all a farce. Sort of a Kate daydream or the writers had to address and get rid of the back story as it is no longer important. The trial was goofy and the evidence.....please heresay from her mother without any other proof. I don't think enough time has even passed to let the other charges to laspe unless bank robbery has shortened considerably.
Bella 02-22-2008, 02:10 PM Ok, I am sorry, I have to say this before I offer my two cents on this subject. And I mean it in the most non-inflammatory way possible...
But like 90% of the posts in "Didn't Love It" are women. Since the beginning of the show, Kate's episodes have been blasted by some of the girls on the board and I just don't seem to understand it. Don't believe me? Take a look for yourself. We get it, ya don't like Kate. She's not my favorite either, but every episode has someone talking about her being shot in a bikini to boost rating and blah blah blah. Seriously, just check it out. I've brought this up before and got my head ripped off for it, but c'mon. If this was a Charlie/Sawyer/Sayid/Jack/Hurley episode with the same premise people would just say "Oh its an inaccuracy" and move on and not "This episode is awful because of this". And before anyone accuses me of being a fanboy, I thought the episode was the weakest of the season so far, too.
Anyway, federal crimes will be tried in any federal courthouse. There would be 100% no need for her to go back to Iowa to stand trial. The real question is *why* any of these are federal crimes, except for robbing a bank across state lines. Everything else doesn't really fit. That is the big inaccuracy to me.
That being said, every episode of LOST is full of inaccuracies, which to some people translates to "poor writing". Every one of 'em. I don't agree because it's meant to be fun and interesting and sometimes you bend the rules of the real world when writing, as this show does all the time.
I do think she was tried in LA because she was being chased by Federal Marshalls and not the Iowa Bureau of Investigations.
That's my thought anyway.
...and I don't want to start an arguing thing about the Kate/Didn't Love It analysis, so please don't flame me - I wont respond.. I just wanted to state my case. Thanks =]
I'm a woman and I loved this episode. I would've asked this no matter who's episode it was.
wemoon 02-22-2008, 02:24 PM Sometimes if there's a good reason for a defendant to stay put in their current location, they won't move them. I think having a child like Aaron who's been thru a trauma would be a good enough reason for them to allow some stability.
smilingshade 02-22-2008, 02:36 PM Just another 2 cents.....If it was a federal trial in a federal courthouse there would not have been a California flag, there would not have been California deputies, and there wouldn't have been a DA. There would have been a US flag, US marshalls, and the prosecutor a United States attorney. I know that the judge mentioned federal custody, but everything appeared as if it was in a state court room and she was being tried in California for the state of California. I know it's science fiction but the whole court thing seems to be way to far fetched. Just my 2 cents worth.
The court scenes last night bothered the heck out of me for many of the reasons that you mention. Also, federal courtrooms (at least the ones I've been in) are typically a heck of a lot nicer than the one where her trial was being held. There were a lot of inaccuracies regarding the trial itself, as well, but I think the writers ignored them because 1) they know jack squat about real litigation, and 2) they were trying to move a story along.
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