First of all I'm not buying that Miles and the whole world would know who Kate is because she killed her step dad. Is she so arrogant to think she is the most wanted in the world. I still don't know the guy's name who shot up Northern Illinois last week so why would people remember her for wacking some neck. I also think the publicity they are receiving is crazy, people would not remember these people because they survived a plane crash I don't care if they were gone for 20 years. We are self absorbed people in a society that is self absorbed and they are mentioning it in every flash forward like their the freakin Beatles. Sorry had to vent:(

Miles only discovered the details about Kate after the Freighties researched 815's manifest.

Perhaps it was arrogance, but Kate was testing the waters, to see how infamous she was back home. She wanted to know if it was worth her while to go home.

What Kate didn't count on, apparently, was how famous she'd be once she returned -- for the simple fact that she survived the crash.

Miles et al know everything because they were sent there to do... whatever. I have had the same thots about their notariety in the FF tho. Maybe a 15 min of fame thing but to the degree that seems to be happening? Hard to believe

She was a fugitive that died in a plane crash. That's newsworthy. The plane crash was apparently fairly big news so that might have amped up her fame as a criminal.

What I want to know is why all those people think the baby could be hers? If that's true then she would've been SUPER pregnant when she was arrested. Wouldn't the marshall report back that she was 8 months pregnant. that's my nitpicky remark.

Miles only discovered the details about Kate after the Freighties researched 815's manifest.

Perhaps it was arrogance, but Kate was testing the waters, to see how infamous she was back home. She wanted to know if it was worth her while to go home.

What Kate didn't count on, apparently, was how famous she'd be once she returned -- for the simple fact that she survived the crash.

I understand that Miles would know because he studied the manifest, but why would she think she was big news back home. Does anyone here know who Stephen Grant is? Probably not he was a nut job who killed his wife and dismember her and just got sentence to 90 years in jail yesterday here in Michigan. His fifteen minutes are expired and he is just another criminal. Besides baby Jessica no one here can come close to remotely naming me a survivor of any recent plane crashes so this fame they are receicving will never be believeable.

We don't have the full story yet. And remember, it's fiction. Life CAN be bigger than 15 minutes of fame.

Kinda reminds me of a modern day Jesse James story.

Within 24 hours not only did I know the name of the gunman from the Northern Illinois shooting, but I knew about his most prominent thesis project, that he worked in a prison, that he entered the army shortly after 9/11 but was quickly discharged and that his father has diabetes. And I got all that from reading a single Associated Press article. We live in the age of the 24 hour news cycle and while there are plenty of people out there who don't want to know every detail of every murder in the country, there's certainly enough other people who want to consume as much news as possible because the cycle allows for so much of it to be out there.

And it's believable in my opinion the way the Oceanic 6 and Kate Austen have been presented. To be completely honest in real life Kate Austen would be considered the most attractive plane crash survivor/deserter island hero in modern times and the press (especially the internet like TMZ) would be all over her for years just because showing her pretty face would generate sales, ratings and page views.

To be completely honest in real life Kate Austen would be considered the most attractive plane crash survivor/deserter island hero in modern times and the press (especially the internet like TMZ) would be all over her for years just because showing her pretty face would generate sales, ratings and page views.
I agree with you there, but when Miles & Kate talked, Kate was not yet a survivor or a hero. She was just one of 324 confirmed dead.

What I don't understand is why whoever is keeping the Oceanic 6 quiet, and apparently paid off all of them although that isn't really clear, didn't do a better job with arranging Kate's return. Whoever it was must have gotten to the 6 before there was any publicity about their survival. Why not just whisk Kate off to somewhere other than the US or Australia and give her the name of one of the other passengers and at least avoid all of the interest surrounding her. And in n the real world, her acquittal would be the subject of even more publicity.

She was a fugitive that died in a plane crash. That's newsworthy. The plane crash was apparently fairly big news so that might have amped up her fame as a criminal.

What I want to know is why all those people think the baby could be hers? If that's true then she would've been SUPER pregnant when she was arrested. Wouldn't the marshall report back that she was 8 months pregnant. that's my nitpicky remark.

this is pretty easy to explain away - the whole world knows the baby's not claire's; the mother died, they saved the baby, Kate adopted him after they were found. Which would make his presence in the courtroom as a show of her character enev MORE powerful than if it was her baby.

this is pretty easy to explain away - the whole world knows the baby's not claire's; the mother died, they saved the baby, Kate adopted him after they were found. Which would make his presence in the courtroom as a show of her character enev MORE powerful than if it was her baby.

I was thinking this, too, but a fugitive wouldn't be able to adopt a baby. Then again as someone has already pointed out this is fiction so we just have to go with it or stop watching. If we've gotten past them all surviving the mid-air plane breakup and crash, then I think the "whole world" knowing who she is isn't much of a stretch.

I don't buy the whole episode.

I didn't quite buy that the DA only gave her probation for all those crimes because her mother wouldn't testify to the confession. What about the bank job? What happened at the hospital with her friend Tom? Surely there were people to testify about those things.
That whole thing was a bit hard to swallow.

If I had done what Kate did , I think a defining factor for me deciding to leave the island would be to know what was known of me back in the real world.

In terms of being famous, these people have not only been presumed dead - the freakin plane they were supposedly on was revealed on national television! This is a HUGE conspiracy. Of course, we don't know what the public knows, but if a plane were to be discovered at the bottom of the ocean and we later find out that there were indeed survivors (and possibly find out that the "revealed" plane was a setup) I think we would be totally into figuring it out. I spend a great deal of time trying to figure this show out - if it were reality, the public would freak!

And it's believable in my opinion the way the Oceanic 6 and Kate Austen have been presented. To be completely honest in real life Kate Austen would be considered the most attractive plane crash survivor/deserter island hero in modern times and the press (especially the internet like TMZ) would be all over her for years just because showing her pretty face would generate sales, ratings and page views.

Yeah she's attractive, but all of them go around saying it. Hurley was screaming it, Sayid was in a foriegn country saying it, now Kate. No way these people would be a blip on 99.9% of peoples radar. Just like you could be standing next to Stephen Grant and have no idea.

The Oceanic 6 would be a big deal if the press decided to make them a big deal.

The Oceanic 6 would be a big deal if the press decided to make them a big deal.

I agree with that if the media makes them a big deal and people continue to be intersted the media will continue showing them.

What I don't buy is that Kate didn't get any jail time and that they would let her adopt Claire's baby (with Kate being a fugitive and all) :undecide: I guess it's feasiable but it is a stretch...

Miles only discovered the details about Kate after the Freighties researched 815's manifest.

Perhaps it was arrogance, but Kate was testing the waters, to see how infamous she was back home. She wanted to know if it was worth her while to go home.

What Kate didn't count on, apparently, was how famous she'd be once she returned -- for the simple fact that she survived the crash.

This was exactly what I was going to say.
I am guessing they are so famous because they survived for a long stretch of time. Not just 1 week, but perhaps months or years on an island. I don't know any names of people who survived a plane crash, but their haven't been any that have had to survive on their own either. And I thought he only knew about Kate by studying the manifest, knowing who everyone was, and what their flight purpose was.

She was a fugitive that died in a plane crash. That's newsworthy. The plane crash was apparently fairly big news so that might have amped up her fame as a criminal.

What I want to know is why all those people think the baby could be hers? If that's true then she would've been SUPER pregnant when she was arrested. Wouldn't the marshall report back that she was 8 months pregnant. that's my nitpicky remark.

That's what I wanna know. How are they passing Aaron off as Kate's son?

With 24 hour news channels where we know (if we watch) every detail of certain cases the press dwells on I don't find it hard to believe at all. For example, Natalie Holloway ; one teenage girl goes missing in Aruba & it's 24/7 on the news, Scott Peterson, man kills wife (it's' not like it's the first time) & again 24/7 on the news. Not saying it's right or wrong that the media is saturated with this, but it's true. I don't find it hard to believe that the news would follow this story. I believe they would be all over it; beautiful girl wanted for murder, surgeon, lottery winner, former republican guard among others. I can see it now, tonight on CNN Larry King interviews the Oceanic 6; Oceanic 815 survivors have been found, film at 11.

With 24 hour news channels where we know (if we watch) every detail of certain cases the press dwells on I don't find it hard to believe at all. For example, Natalie Holloway ; one teenage girl goes missing in Aruba & it's 24/7 on the news, Scott Peterson, man kills wife (it's' not like it's the first time) & again 24/7 on the news. Not saying it's right or wrong that the media is saturated with this, but it's true. I don't find it hard to believe that the news would follow this story. I believe they would be all over it; beautiful girl wanted for murder, surgeon, lottery winner, former republican guard among others. I can see it now, tonight on CNN Larry King interviews the Oceanic 6; Oceanic 815 survivors have been found, film at 11.

I'm not denying the trial would get a great amount of coverage, but her asking Miles before she got off the Island like she America's most wanted for killing Wayne. There are hundreds of cases like this and for her to think she is the most popular criminal seems outlandish.What are they saying about me, it was hard to take her seriously when she played that card.

I don't think she was asking if she was famous, she was just asking if the people on the boat knew who she was, not the general public. She knows they have some other agenda, and know about Ben, I think she was just seeing if she could get aboard pretending to be someone else.

I had the same question about the trial too, it seems like murdering her stepfather was just the first of a long list of crimes. The only explanation I can think of is that they didn't have a lot of strong evidence for the other charges. Maybe when the Marshall died, a lot of what he knew disappeared too. I'm trying to get over it, but it seems contrived.

First of all I'm not buying that Miles and the whole world would know who Kate is because she killed her step dad. Is she so arrogant to think she is the most wanted in the world. I still don't know the guy's name who shot up Northern Illinois last week so why would people remember her for wacking some neck. I also think the publicity they are receiving is crazy, people would not remember these people because they survived a plane crash I don't care if they were gone for 20 years. We are self absorbed people in a society that is self absorbed and they are mentioning it in every flash forward like their the freakin Beatles. Sorry had to vent:(
There was no implication that Kate was the most wanted person in the world, and Kate never implied that either. She asked Miles what they freighter people knew about her because she was concerned that they had been warned that a fugitive was on the Island. Turns out she was right.

As for the fame of the Oceanic 6, I agree with those who said that they would be famous if the media wanted them to be. Anyone remember baby Jessica, the baby girl who fell down a well in the 1980s? There was practically 24-hour coverage of the massive effort to rescue her from that well. She became a media sensation overnight. There are dozens of other examples of the media making news rather than covering it.

Six people showing up after an entire flight of 350 were declared dead would be huge news and I don't find it even the slightest stretch that they would be huge celebrities for a good amount of time after their discovery.

First of all I'm not buying that Miles and the whole world would know who Kate is because she killed her step dad. Is she so arrogant to think she is the most wanted in the world. I still don't know the guy's name who shot up Northern Illinois last week so why would people remember her for wacking some neck. I also think the publicity they are receiving is crazy, people would not remember these people because they survived a plane crash I don't care if they were gone for 20 years. We are self absorbed people in a society that is self absorbed and they are mentioning it in every flash forward like their the freakin Beatles. Sorry had to vent:(

Who knows why Miles knows about Kate. Maybe cause hes a ghost whisperer (Hi Wayne), maybe the freighties were prepared.

O6 popularity - lets compare them to a Uruguayan rugby team that crashed in the Andes waaay back in the day. They were only gone a short time and yet they have movies and books about them. In today's media world, the O6 would garner more fame than the rugby team.


What I don't get is why Kate had to go to Locke's to ask Miles the question. She was just with him at the helicopter landing site and hiking through the forest. Frank would have been able to tell her something too.

Like much of this episode (the trial), that was lazy writing.

What I don't get is why Kate had to go to Locke's to ask Miles the question. She was just with him at the helicopter landing site and hiking through the forest. Frank would have been able to tell her something too.



This bugged me too. I'm guessing though, that maybe she didn't think she would get a straight answer unless she had some bargaining power. Once Miles was captive, I figure that she thought he might be more likely to tell the truth.

I'm not denying the trial would get a great amount of coverage, but her asking Miles before she got off the Island like she America's most wanted for killing Wayne. There are hundreds of cases like this and for her to think she is the most popular criminal seems outlandish.What are they saying about me, it was hard to take her seriously when she played that card.

I think some people are still missing the fact that the world found "the" plane at the bottom of the ocean and that the survivors were rescued, or claim to have been rescued, a thousand miles away.

Remember the plane that crashed on 9/11 into the Pennsylvania farmland? Imagine that 6 people that were on that flight showed up one day on the side of the highway in Nevada and claimed that their plane had crashed in the desert, they were the only survivors, and that they had been living in a cave for the last few years. Do you think they might get a bit of attention?

Within 24 hours not only did I know the name of the gunman from the Northern Illinois shooting, but I knew about his most prominent thesis project, that he worked in a prison, that he entered the army shortly after 9/11 but was quickly discharged and that his father has diabetes. And I got all that from reading a single Associated Press article. We live in the age of the 24 hour news cycle and while there are plenty of people out there who don't want to know every detail of every murder in the country, there's certainly enough other people who want to consume as much news as possible because the cycle allows for so much of it to be out there.

And it's believable in my opinion the way the Oceanic 6 and Kate Austen have been presented. To be completely honest in real life Kate Austen would be considered the most attractive plane crash survivor/deserter island hero in modern times and the press (especially the internet like TMZ) would be all over her for years just because showing her pretty face would generate sales, ratings and page views.

With 24 hour news channels where we know (if we watch) every detail of certain cases the press dwells on I don't find it hard to believe at all. For example, Natalie Holloway ; one teenage girl goes missing in Aruba & it's 24/7 on the news, Scott Peterson, man kills wife (it's' not like it's the first time) & again 24/7 on the news. Not saying it's right or wrong that the media is saturated with this, but it's true. I don't find it hard to believe that the news would follow this story. I believe they would be all over it; beautiful girl wanted for murder, surgeon, lottery winner, former republican guard among others. I can see it now, tonight on CNN Larry King interviews the Oceanic 6; Oceanic 815 survivors have been found, film at 11.

Exactly. A pretty face generates a lot more news time than an average person - I thought of Natalie Holloway too, or Chandra Levin (whose disappearance in Washington DC was 24/7 on the Fox news channel the entire summer before 9/11). Jack with his classic good looks seems to have gotten his fair share of attention too, judging by the guy in the pharmacy "Do you know who he is?".

These 24 hr news and entertainment channels live for this kind of fodder.

I'm not denying the trial would get a great amount of coverage, but her asking Miles before she got off the Island like she America's most wanted for killing Wayne. There are hundreds of cases like this and for her to think she is the most popular criminal seems outlandish.What are they saying about me, it was hard to take her seriously when she played that card.

Not that she's America's most wanted. But the freighter people were coming to that island, in the South Pacific, and Frank the pilot knew every name on the manifest. I don't know if Kate overheard his conversation with Juliet, but since the freighties seemed to know about 815 it's a logical question for her to have.

Now why couldn't she have just taken Miles aside on the hours-long trek to Otherville to ask the same question - why all the drama once they were there?

She was a fugitive that died in a plane crash. That's newsworthy. The plane crash was apparently fairly big news so that might have amped up her fame as a criminal.

What I want to know is why all those people think the baby could be hers? If that's true then she would've been SUPER pregnant when she was arrested. Wouldn't the marshall report back that she was 8 months pregnant. that's my nitpicky remark.

Remember that time on the island runs slower. Let's suppose Kate leaves the island on day 120. That could mean 9 months in off-island time. We still have no evidence on the proper proportions on/off-island

So, from an off-island point of view, Kate could have been lost for over an year, instead of the 3 months we've seen on-island.

I think she claims the baby as her own. As other people mentioned, an adoption by a fugitive would never be approved.

Have you guys ever seen those two sided puzzles? These are the kind that have a different, but similar picture on each side. LOST's story lines remind me of that. You get an episode and within that episode there are many puzzle pieces. Only you don't know which side of the puzzle the pieces belong to. You have to get all the pieces out of the box, then turn all the "alike" pieces face side up and put the puzzle together. Then when you're done, you flip the whole thing over and reveal the hidden picture on the other side. AHA! So THAT"S what the other picture is!

Just because things with the don't seem to fit with the way we see think they should, doesn't mean they don't work in the grand scheme of things. When things don't seem to make sense, maybe it's because they belong to the other side of the puzzle.

A few people have mentioned this, but it should be remembered that we don't have near enough of the story yet.

To me, the Oceanic 6 don't seem to be celebrities exactly, they're not walking down the street with mobs of people recognizing them, but they have used that title to their advantage... "Don't you know who I am? I'm one of the Oceanic 6!". As people have said, we might not always remember the people, but we remember the stories... Columbine, 9/11, Branch Davidian, Baby Jessica, etc...

They seem to mention this fact only when their connection to that headline might benefit them. Who knows how famous that headline became? Maybe they made a movie about them. The event at least would be popular enough that if you mentioned, "Oceanic 6", people would know what you were talking about.

On the island, it makes more sense for Kate to ask the question, "Do you know who I am?", to see if they do know that she's a fugitive. I certainly wouldn't ask, "Do you know that I'm a wanted fugitive?"

As far as the age of Aaron matching up with the crash date and Kate being pregnant, the show has already given us hints that Island Time and Real World Time don't match up, so we'll have to see about all that.