...now we know Claire and Aaron are gonna be torn apart instead.

I'm not going to rant. I just wanted to express my extreme sadness that Charlie was not granted his dying wish. He gave his life willingly to save his family and it seems like it was for nothing. Claire and Aaron haven't even received the parting gifts he left them. Maybe one day they will reveal "the greater good" or "the value of sacrifice" in Charlie's death. For now, I just feel very hurt and confused, wondering why the universe was so cruel towards this good (or at least reformed) brave man.

It feels like the universe tricked Charlie into dying with misleading flashes and false hints that his death would save his loved ones. I just feel...stung and shocked by the heartlessness of it all.

We don't know how this came to be. Lots of things could have happened to cause Kate to end up with Aaron. I say give it some time to unfold and you'll see that Charlie did get his wish....just maybe not in the way WE think it's going to happen.

I think with all that Charlie did for Aaron, the least he could have done was say "You all everybody" when Kate woke him up. That would have been great.

Don't feel too badly about Charlie's sacrifice (yet) CF. Despite all speculation we don't know if Kate's Aaron is Claire's Aaron. Chin up

Chin up

Thanks, but I'm certain it is Claire's Aaron.

Thanks, but I'm certain it is Claire's Aaron.

Yeah, me too. They laid it on pretty thick with all the Australian animal toys in Aaron's room, so I don't think they were planning to leave us in any doubt.

I was disappointed to see how perky Claire was. Charlie who?

Yeah, I see your point. I'm beginning to think that Desmond's flashes are all hogwash. HE got on the helicopter, not Claire. Of course, she could too at some point, but right now I'm thinking she either doesn't get off or she dies. (And more likely the latter, IMO, since if she stayed on the island surely Aaron would still be there with her?)

Charlie seems to have died for nothing. Why oh why didn't he just run out and slam the door so they could both go back up. *sigh*.

Also, Claire was acting really dumb in this episode... and if that continues I won't miss her if she dies (sorry Claire fans!)

Also, Claire was acting really dumb in this episode... and if that continues I won't miss her if she dies (sorry Claire fans!)

No need to apologize. I think Claire fans feel the same way right now. If this Claire dies, it will be no loss, because this is not Claire. She's been reduced to a redshirt shell with no history, no memory and no personality. What happened to the astrology loving hippie chick with trust issues from season one who appreciated everything Charlie did for her?

Maybe Charlie didn't die for nothing. The one person that obviously loved him unconditionally did get rescued. At this point, after Claire's behavior, I say Charlie's sacrifice was for Aaron and Aaron alone. Aaron was saved, so Charlie's death wasn't in vain after all. It's just sad that Claire couldn't appreciate him, even in death. I hope that Kate at least tells Aaron about Charlie in the future...

That's true. Charlie would be happy to know that Aaron got off the island. That really was his main concern.

I think we need more Charlie in the FF's or FB's. I'm having Charlie Withdrawal.

Yeah, Charlie is the first character loss that really bums me out. Still, we'll see what happened to Claire eventually.

No need to apologize. I think Claire fans feel the same way right now. If this Claire dies, it will be no loss, because this is not Claire. She's been reduced to a redshirt shell with no history, no memory and no personality. What happened to the astrology loving hippie chick with trust issues from season one who appreciated everything Charlie did for her?

That is the Claire and PBJ I miss. Season one really breaks my heart to rewatch b/c to see what they have done to Claire, Charlie and host of other characters by season 4 breaks my heart. Such potential for so many characters, couples, and plot lines ruined. How did we get here by now I have no idea sadly :frown:

Another thing that really gets to me is that Darlton have said they needed to kill Charlie to prove Desmond's visions were accurate. Yet with this revealation they are proving that Desmond's visions are in fact seriously flawed and misleading.

It saddens me that Damon insisted they couldn't possibly "cheat" on Charlie's death, but apparently they can cheat on Claire and Aaron's rescue.

Personally I feel cheated by this entire storyline.

I kinda agree with you Claire/Charlie fans - I'm not sure why they have created this "detached" Claire. It was very confusing to see almost two episodes obscessing with Naomi's dead body lying around everywhere - Sayid's episode - and not a moment of loss shared by Claire. No quietlly crying as she walks to New Otherton, no emotional breakdowns - hanging up laundry??

I started to get a "this hasn't happened" yet feeling...

But it's true, we don't know how the story will unfold so perhaps it won't quite turn out this way. I'm thinking there's something to this "time illusion" Daniel has noticed about the Island - perhaps they will be able to "fix" the time where they can roll everything back and Charlie and Claire will be together.

The future with the Oceanic 6 isnt where the story is gonna end. Claire could still be alive somewhere, most likey on the island, and Jack and Hurley could go back to the island and rescue her and then her and Aaron would be together. I hate to think Charlie died for nothing so i'm holding out hope!

The future with the Oceanic 6 isnt where the story is gonna end. Claire could still be alive somewhere, most likey on the island, and Jack and Hurley could go back to the island and rescue her and then her and Aaron would be together. I hate to think Charlie died for nothing so i'm holding out hope!

Even if that happens Charlie would have still died for nothing. Charlie's attempt to save Claire would have failed. Jack and Hurley would have to save Claire instead. I don't think it is satisfying if Charlie's "ghost" has to nag other people to save Claire.

Another thing that really gets to me is that Darlton have said they needed to kill Charlie to prove Desmond's visions were accurate. Yet with this revealation they are proving that Desmond's visions are in fact seriously flawed and misleading.

Well, they could be misleading, but not flawed. Desmond might have had a vision of Claire and Aaron boarding a helicopter. We still might see such a scene in the near future. Of course, it may have been Desmond, and not the vision, that was misleading.

It is not impossible to also imagine a scene in the future of Claire and Aaron (who has been re-united with Claire on the island) leaving the island via helicopter.

I think we'll only be able to judge Charlie's sacrifice when we know the full story of Lost. Right now, his sacrifice has set in motion a number of story lines, that on the surface, makes his sacrifice not only useless, but harmful to the Losties.

This thread has led me to wonder if that really is Claire's Aaron Kate is raising does she (Kate) have the "DS" ring Charlie left behind? If so there would be the proof that Charlie will be remembered for saving the baby.

My thoughts are don't give up hope yet..

One thing for Claire is that when Charlie was alive they did go for stints without each other, namely when Claire was captured and when they had that fight during Season 2. Now Claire hasn't been back to the beach yet since she's heard of Charlie's fate.. If she got to the beach, saw his guitar, his ring and if Desmond gave her "the greatest hits" list it would have it her and we'd be having a more saddened Claire. But since she hasn't gone back to the beach the reality of his death hasn't hit Claire yet and thats why I think she's acting the way she is.. It might seem to her that this is another stint where they are separated.. out of sight, out of mind..

Also, we don't know how Aaron came to be in Kate's care, so we can't say for certain if Charlie's sacrifice was in vein..

Just had a thought about Desmond's visions. I am going by memory here, but if I'm correct, we didn't see the portion of Desmond's vision where Claire and Aaron get in the helicopter. He just tells Charlie that's what he saw. We saw all other parts of that vision except for the rescue. Could it be that Des was misleading Charlie? Maybe he told Charlie that Claire and Aaron would get on but knew that it would only be Aaron?

Such potential for so many characters, couples, and plot lines ruined. How did we get here by now I have no idea sadly :frown:

It's called not being a soap opera. I personally dislike all the focus on couples and bf/gf issues. This is lost not days of our lives they should be focusing on the mythology and science and island mysteries of the show. Not if jack smirked a certain way at kate. I mean last night we saw kate ended up with a child named aaron.

A. we dont know for sure it's claire aaron yet (i know i know i do think it is too)
B. we JUST learned of this development in what the last 3 seconds of the episode. How bout we give em at least 5-10 mins of another episode to explain it at least before we cry foul.

As someone else posted im sure in the end things will pan out.

and if ya want bf/gf's go watch grey's anascopy or one of the other 100's of clones just like it, leave lost as a show that requires a brain.

So you don't care much for character development in a show where every episode is partly built around a character's backstory?
Fine, but its a large part of what the show is.
The current storylines with a number of the characters is irking me too, it just seems inconsistent in a bad way.

No no i love the character development, but i dont see the need to have everyone couple up and be all lovey dovey. I mean if im stranded on an island with smoke monsters, underground hatches, "others", 4 toes statues, random whispers and reappearing ghosts/visions, the last thing id be worried about is finding a gf. My point was there are way more than enough shows out there if you want to see romance relationships, i'd hate to see lost become one of those where the cliffhanger for the season is "omg will meredith see kyle again?!".

No no i love the character development, but i dont see the need to have everyone couple up and be all lovey dovey. I mean if im stranded on an island with smoke monsters, underground hatches, "others", 4 toes statues, random whispers and reappearing ghosts/visions, the last thing id be worried about is finding a gf. My point was there are way more than enough shows out there if you want to see romance relationships, i'd hate to see lost become one of those where the cliffhanger for the season is "omg will meredith see kyle again?!".

I get what you're saying, and I'd agree if we didn't have them stuffing the triangle down everyone's throats. Why shouldn't the CC shippers want their ship to get equal treatment as the Jate/Skate ship? At least CC wasn't as annoying and didn't take up screen time that could have gone towards furthering the story. In fact, their story did further the plotline with Charlie sacrificing his life for Claire and Aaron. All I've seen Jate/Skate do is make angsty moon eyes at each other and flip back and forth instead of concentrating on what was going on around them. And there's nothing wrong with expecting Claire to appreciate the sacrifice Charlie made instead of giggling at Kate's antics with Sawyer. :ohwell:

Just had a thought about Desmond's visions. I am going by memory here, but if I'm correct, we didn't see the portion of Desmond's vision where Claire and Aaron get in the helicopter. He just tells Charlie that's what he saw. We saw all other parts of that vision except for the rescue. Could it be that Des was misleading Charlie? Maybe he told Charlie that Claire and Aaron would get on but knew that it would only be Aaron?

Laura, I think you're on the path to the truth but then veered off at the last second. You're right -- we never actually saw Desmond's flash of Claire and Aaron getting on a helicopter and leaving the island. What we have seen is Desmond leaving the island on a helicopter. I think Desmond flat out lied to Charlie. Desmond saw himself getting off the island if Charlie carried out his mission in the Looking Glass station. He knew Charlie was a goner anyway and figured a lie couldn't hurt in the grand scheme of things.

Consider this as well. At the end of Season 3 Damon Lindelof said (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Season_4/spoilers),

"Desmond (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Desmond) will question the role he played in Charlie (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Charlie)’s death (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Death). He will have to deal with the after effects and the guilt of it. He will question whether or not Charlie (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Charlie) would have made this sacrifice (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Sacrifice) had he not told him that it was what he was going to do."Des is a liar!

Charlie's sacrifice will not be in vain. I predict one of two things will happen:

1.) Claire and Aaron will get on the helicopter just as Desmond predicted.
Who know's, maybe Claire is one of the O6? But she turned Aaron over to Kate for the same reason that all the FF Lostie's are hiding all real info about what happened on the island. Maybe (as someone hypothesized before) it is to hide the slow-time on the island, because if years had passed off-island Aaron's age would not add up. Maybe Claire is the body in the coffin in Jack's FF. Anyway, so long as Claire and Aaron get on a helicopter off the island at some point, then Charlie's love is justified, even if it doesn't mean that Claire and Aaron live happily ever after together.

2.) We find out that Desmond made it up, and used Charlie get himself off the island... look, so far he's one of the only one's to make it onto a helicopter.

Either way, I don't think we can really speculate too much until we get a Desmond-centric episode and a Claire-centric episode. Then, I feel like much of the character problems with Claire will disappear. The writer have written in far too many characters, and it's hard to make them all 3-D and relate all their complex back stories when bouncing around between overwhelmingly convoluted plots. But the writers also manage to pull out big character-driven emotional surprises as well. Remember when the fans all hated Charlie late season 2 and early season 3, but then by the end of Season 3 when it was time to kill him off, they made us love him again.

I don't know. Much of this episode didn't make sense to me. Okay, Kate returns from the island already a wanted felon. Yet she comes back and apparently gets this settlement from Oceanic to buy this big house with a nanny, apparently is allowed to have custody of Aaron, and then gets put on trial? It now appears that he's being raised by another anyway. So much for that? Seems to me that Claire must be going to die, and Kate didn't want the baby left on the island.

I agree with some of the other posters here. All we know is that Kate is passing Aaron off as her child.

We have no idea about Claire's fate right now. For all we know Claire could be Kate's roommate in that house and TPTB just haven't shown us yet.

Desmond specifically told Charlie that he saw "Claire and the baby" get on the helicopter, so if we take that at face value, that nixes the theory that Claire and Aaron get reunited on the island years later and then board the helicopter.

I just don't think Desmond would knowingly and selfishly lie to Charlie. He's pretty beloved by fans and I don't think the writers would risk sabotaging his character to that extent. It really contradicts his self-sacrificing behavior at the end of season 2 (when he turned the hatch key, because he was pretty sure he was going to die at that point.) His character flaw is supposed to be cowardice, so I think there will be a scene where he finally has to explain to Claire what happened, to own up to his involvement - which was essentially assisting Charlie on a suicide mission. I hope we see more emotion from Claire at that point.

Much of this episode didn't make sense to me. Okay, Kate returns from the island already a wanted felon. Yet she comes back and apparently gets this settlement from Oceanic to buy this big house with a nanny, apparently is allowed to have custody of Aaron Kate was a suspect, not a felon, and in the U.S. Justice system, innocent until proven guilty. So Oceanic could not legally have withheld a settlement from her, if they gave it to the other survivors.
Presumably she's claiming Aaron as her biological son - and no one's contradicting her - so there's no legal reason to deny her custody.
It now appears that he's being raised by another anyway. So much for that? If Claire and Aaron had made it safe and sound together off the island, and Claire had rec'd the settlement and they were living happily ever after, that would be the end of their story line. Now there's much more to come, and I can't wait..

Consider this as well. At the end of Season 3 Damon Lindelof said (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Season_4/spoilers),
"Desmond (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Desmond) will question the role he played in Charlie (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Charlie)’s death (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Death). He will have to deal with the after effects and the guilt of it. He will question whether or not Charlie (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Charlie) would have made this sacrifice (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Sacrifice) had he not told him that it was what he was going to do."Des is a liar!
Well, Damon said that in regards to next week's episode, so I guess we'll find out!

Desmond also saw visions of Charlie getting electrocuted, drowning in the ocean, and getting shot with an arrow. None of those scenarios actually came to pass.

So maybe the vision of Claire and Aaron getting on the helicopter ends up not happening because of something else that Desmond does to (unwittingly) change the future yet again.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately and I have come to believe that Charlie's sacrifice will not be in vain, that Desmond was telling the truth, and Claire and Aaron get on a helecopter.

How can that be you ask? Well, at some point we know that Hurley goes with team Jack and I think that Claire too will come to realize that Locke is a nutter and she will go with Hurley back to the beach. The Oceanic 6 + Claire and Aaron are rescued and get on a helecopter. For reasons yet to be revealed, Claire either dies after she gets on the helecopter (maybe on the freighter?) or she is separated from the rest of the Oceanic 6 and Aaron, and she is forced to go back to the island.

This leaves Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, ?, and ? + Aaron to go back to the real world. They are forced to lie about who was left behind and what really happened. There is one problem. How are they going to explain baby Aaron without revealing the truth about 815 and the island? Answer: they will have to pass off Aaron and one of their own children. If Kate is the only woman of the Oceanic 6, then she is the only person who can pass as Aaron's mom. She is forced to take on the role of Aaron's mom and the other Oceanic survivors have to go along with this story to preserve the lie.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately and I have come to believe that Charlie's sacrifice will not be in vain, that Desmond was telling the truth, and Claire and Aaron get on a helecopter.

How can that be you ask? Well, at some point we know that Hurley goes with team Jack and I think that Claire too will come to realize that Locke is a nutter and she will go with Hurley back to the beach. The Oceanic 6 + Claire and Aaron are rescued and get on a helecopter. For reasons yet to be revealed, Claire either dies after she gets on the helecopter (maybe on the freighter?) or she is separated from the rest of the Oceanic 6 and Aaron, and she is forced to go back to the island.

This leaves Jack, Kate, Sayid, Hurley, ?, and ? + Aaron to go back to the real world. They are forced to lie about who was left behind and what really happened. There is one problem. How are they going to explain baby Aaron without revealing the truth about 815 and the island? Answer: they will have to pass off Aaron and one of their own children. If Kate is the only woman of the Oceanic 6, then she is the only person who can pass as Aaron's mom. She is forced to take on the role of Aaron's mom and the other Oceanic survivors have to go along with this story to preserve the lie.


So explain to me again how that results in Charlie's sacrifice not being in vain? :confused:

Another thing that bothers me, is that only about a day or two ago (Lost time) Charlie died and Hurley nor Claire are upset about it. Claire barely even shed a tear. What was the whole point of the Losties separating if Charlie's actions were almost pointless (apart the fact of pressing the button in the looking glass hatch) So lets recap, Charlie died three days ago, nobody cares, especially Claire and now everybody is woop de doo, drinking coffee and sitting on porches.

So lets recap, Charlie died three days ago, nobody cares, especially Claire and now everybody is woop de doo, drinking coffee and sitting on porches.

You've summed it up pretty well. :undecide: And as for those who think we'll get to it when Claire has her ep I say I doubt it, but even if they do, it will just be another case of bad continuity by then after this bizarre break inbetween.

This reminds me almost exactly of what the beginning of season three was like on the beach remember? Everybody was complaining because the hatch imploded, the sky turned purple, Eko was missing/dying/dead and everyone was sitting around the beach making fruit salad and playing ping pong.

I just don't think Desmond would knowingly and selfishly lie to Charlie. He's pretty beloved by fans and I don't think the writers would risk sabotaging his character to that extent. It really contradicts his self-sacrificing behavior at the end of season 2 (when he turned the hatch key, because he was pretty sure he was going to die at that point.) His character flaw is supposed to be cowardice, so I think there will be a scene where he finally has to explain to Claire what happened, to own up to his involvement - which was essentially assisting Charlie on a suicide mission. I hope we see more emotion from Claire at that point.

I think that is a key point. I've been racking my brain trying to figure out what could have gone wrong, operating from the premise that Desmond really is a good man and wouldn't let Charlie die for no good reason.

What occurred to me today, after re-watching Eggtown, is to wonder if Desmond saw what he thought he saw in his vision. We didn't see what he saw; I am wondering if Desmond saw a woman getting on the helicopter holding a baby, but maybe the woman's face was obscured by something, and he naturally assumed it was Claire and Aaron, when what he really saw was Kate and Aaron. And if this is the case, I can't imagine what that knowledge would do to Desmond. That's a whole other area of speculation, however.

Let's not forget that Desmond wasn't going to let Charlie actually go through with it. Charlie smacked Desmond over the head with an oar when Des was trying to take over the task himself. Also when the grenade blew up the control room Charlie ran into the room and shut the door with himself inside. He coulda just slammed the door shut and stayed outside with Desmond. Charlie IMO sacrificed his life on his own.

Besides Charlie looked pretty happy in the 'afterlife'. :confused:

No no i love the character development, but i dont see the need to have everyone couple up and be all lovey dovey. I mean if im stranded on an island with smoke monsters, underground hatches, "others", 4 toes statues, random whispers and reappearing ghosts/visions, the last thing id be worried about is finding a gf. My point was there are way more than enough shows out there if you want to see romance relationships, i'd hate to see lost become one of those where the cliffhanger for the season is "omg will meredith see kyle again?!".
Ah sorry I misunderstood what you meant.
Yeh I feel the same way about all the love triangle will she/won't she stuff. Lost doesn't need stuff like that imo.
And the Claire stuff bothers me too, but as people say I reckon its just blinkered writing foccusing too much on the character who's flashback it is and forgetting the details of other characters.
Sawyer too though, he seemed very cheery in the last ep compared to the sulking bloody thirsty guy he's been since he killed his Saywer.

I suppose I can let them off since the rest of the eps have been very good so far this season.

We don't know how this came to be. Lots of things could have happened to cause Kate to end up with Aaron. I say give it some time to unfold and you'll see that Charlie did get his wish....just maybe not in the way WE think it's going to happen.


I am still sad though.

I agree with some of the other posters here. All we know is that Kate is passing Aaron off as her child.

We have no idea about Claire's fate right now. For all we know Claire could be Kate's roommate in that house and TPTB just haven't shown us yet.

That's a plot we haven't thought about yet. Maybe Kate and Claire end up together and that's why he called Kate "Mommy".

Kidding, of course ;)

Laura, I think you're on the path to the truth but then veered off at the last second. You're right -- we never actually saw Desmond's flash of Claire and Aaron getting on a helicopter and leaving the island. What we have seen is Desmond leaving the island on a helicopter. I think Desmond flat out lied to Charlie. Desmond saw himself getting off the island if Charlie carried out his mission in the Looking Glass station. He knew Charlie was a goner anyway and figured a lie couldn't hurt in the grand scheme of things.

Consider this as well. At the end of Season 3 Damon Lindelof said (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Season_4/spoilers),

"Desmond (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Desmond) will question the role he played in Charlie (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Charlie)’s death (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Death). He will have to deal with the after effects and the guilt of it. He will question whether or not Charlie (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Charlie) would have made this sacrifice (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Sacrifice) had he not told him that it was what he was going to do."Des is a liar!

Dont be so hard on poor Des. I think he truely did see Claire and Aaron boarding the helicopter. Remember when he stopped charlie from dying from the arrow and it changed his vision to Naomi being the parachutist. I think Des changed the whole flash when he went down into the Looking Glass. He interferred with his vision so it changed the outcome of it.

I just feel...stung and shocked by the heartlessness of it all.

I feel the same way. The only way I could live with Charlie's death was knowing that it was, essentially, for a greater good and that the writers considered it necessary to further the plot. But now this? I feel as though I was lied to just so they could kill off my dear Charlie without having me come after them with a vendetta.

It just really ticks me off. :mad:
100%
That's a plot we haven't thought about yet. Maybe Kate and Claire end up together and that's why he called Kate "Mommy".

Kidding, of course ;)

Wow. I'm not sure which scenario infuriates me more ;)

I also hate that Kate gets Aaron. Poor Charlie! He died for nothing, at least it seems that way at this stage.

It feels like the universe tricked Charlie into dying with misleading flashes and false hints that his death would save his loved ones. I just feel...stung and shocked by the heartlessness of it all.

No, it's more like TPTB are tricking the audience and jerking them around. I've never claimed to be a big Charlie fan--although I really did like his character up until season 2-- but even I am angered by the way they have dealt with his death. The way I see it, it's just an example of Cuse and Lindelof pulling yet another fast one on the fans. They promised that his death wasn't going to be pointless and that the effects of his death would be felt among the survivors, but that isn't the case. Yeah, death can have some weird effects on people and they might seem happier than they really are, but the way Hurley and Claire are acting is like it didn't even happen. And now we find out that Claire and Aaron aren't even going to be together? WTF? That not only defeats the whole purpose of his death, it also defeats everything that RBA was about. It's really a shame that the show is turning out like this.

No, it's more like TPTB are tricking the audience and jerking them around. I've never claimed to be a big Charlie fan--although I really did like his character up until season 2-- but even I am angered by the way they have dealt with his death. The way I see it, it's just an example of Cuse and Lindelof pulling yet another fast one on the fans. They promised that his death wasn't going to be pointless and that the effects of his death would be felt among the survivors, but that isn't the case. Yeah, death can have some weird effects on people and they might seem happier than they really are, but the way Hurley and Claire are acting is like it didn't even happen. And now we find out that Claire and Aaron aren't even going to be together? WTF? That not only defeats the whole purpose of his death, it also defeats everything that RBA was about. It's really a shame that the show is turning out like this.

Thanks for this post. It says a lot that even a non-Charlie fan feels cheesed off and cheated by the writers. It does defeat the purpose of his sacrifice. I feel like there is no silver lining to Charlie's story at all.

I can’t understand why Charlie’s death appears to have so little bearing on Claire and Hurley. I was expecting so much more. I thought the Claire and Charlie relationship was so sweet and genuine – it just makes no sense that suddenly no one seems bothered. I really enjoyed the family unit that was created with Charlie, Claire and Arron……..but now it just feels like it’s been totally pulled apart and Charlie’s death turned out to be in vain.

Thanks for this post. It says a lot that even a non-Charlie fan feels cheesed off and cheated by the writers. It does defeat the purpose of his sacrifice. I feel like there is no silver lining to Charlie's story at all.

No problem. I'm with you guys on this one.

That's exactly one of the reason's I hated this episode. This was the death that should've affected the losties the most because Charlie sacrificed his life for their rescue. Yet they all seem to have forgotten all about Charlie. Claire is just used a temporary roommate for Kate, asking her how she feels, is she ok, offering coffee to Sawyer when everyone should be asking about her feelings, showing some care for HER!!! And of course Claire should've had, at least, a painful smile (if she should smile). Charlie's afterdeath has been handled worse than any other death.

this is one of the reason this Aaron plot really sucks...everything Charlie did, it was for nothing....
i really hope not....i hope this plot take another twist....