Wellllllll, I guess we know what happened to Danielle's crew now-"time ebola" I suppose...and yet she's still here. Minkowski suggested it would happen to everybody if "we keep going back to that island". Maybe, for some of the people on Danielle's boat, it wasn't their first trip? Was Danielle affected any, or did her being pregnant/birthing, and/or she came once and never left, somehow keep her from going bonkers?...(<>..<>)

Wellllllll, I guess we know what happened to Danielle's crew now-"time ebola" I suppose...and yet she's still here. Minkowski suggested it would happen to everybody if "we keep going back to that island". Maybe, for some of the people on Danielle's boat, it wasn't their first trip? Was Danielle affected any, or did her being pregnant/birthing, and/or she came once and never left, somehow keep her from going bonkers?...(<>..<>)

Danielle's group might have been effected by the island and the Magnatism and she didnt because she might not have had the exposure that they did. Notice that Desmond is the only one of the Losties that seems to be having these effects. He was in the Hatch when it exploded. I am not sure if Locke is having the effects or not but Desmond is for sure and who knows if Charlie would have shown symptoms had he lived.

Wow, so after reading a few of the posts on here, it seems fairly obvious now that "the sickness" has just been explained in this episode. Some of us were so afraid it had been written off as some unexplained thing, but tonight it finally makes sense. This is why Rousseau's band of shipmates all went crazy and "got sick".

I guess now a new question emerges (of course) - why aren't the Losties affected the same way?

And why wasn't she?

And why wasn't she?

Yeah, and Rousseau too... Maybe you need to come in with a baby =]

The sickness I think has to do with prolonged exposure to elecromagneticrays. Could be possible that certain people react diffrently to this. Say maybee 90% get sick from it and the other 10% are not affected.

Something related to electromagnetic or radiation exposure perhaps? I think only Desmond so far because of the hatch implosion has been exposed to enough electromagnetism to get the sickness from the time displacement. Maybe something happened on Rousseau's boat that she was away from/shielded from.

OR maybe you just answered your question!!

Desmond had to have a constant - so what if all the Losties - and Danielle now - have a "constant" in 200 - whenever???

Just a thought... With this little time traveling thing - anything goes!

Well, I think going in on the right "bearing" has something to do with it.

Desmond became "unstuck in time" when they went off bearing in the storm.

I'm guessing Danielle's ship came in on a bad bearing, and flight 815 came in on the right one (just by luck, probably).

So the real question becomes: why is Danielle not affected. Not that she's the picture of sanity, but she's obviously not affected the same way Desmond/ Minkowski was.

I'm not sure this is the sickness. None of these folks seem to have become so dangerous that they would need to be shot--and death from the side effects seems to come pretty fast on its own.

Cardie

Sier, you beat me by one minute to post a thread on this topic. :) Did anyone catch what Minkowski said to Desmond regarding what triggered his symptoms? I thought he said something about him and another crew member peeking or getting too close to the island.

Desmond was on the island 3 years manning the hatch. The Others lied behind that fence. The losties have only been there for 3 months.

Thats how you explain it IMO.

Danielle's group might have been effected by the island and the Magnatism and she didnt because she might not have had the exposure that they did. Notice that Desmond is the only one of the Losties that seems to be having these effects. He was in the Hatch when it exploded. I am not sure if Locke is having the effects or not but Desmond is for sure and who knows if Charlie would have shown symptoms had he lived.


Maybe Danielle avoided radiation because she was pregnant - but the rest of the crew did not. Then in an attempt to leave - an attempt that was futile - they experienced the sickness - time ebola.

OR maybe you just answered your question!!

Desmond had to have a constant - so what if all the Losties - and Danielle now - have a "constant" in 200 - whenever???

Just a thought... With this little time traveling thing - anything goes!


Wow..thats a great idea too. The reason they haven't been experiencing craziness is, as shown in the flashbacks, they have a constant connection. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with *anything*. But it's a great idea.

Sier, you beat me by one minute to post a thread on this topic. :) Did anyone catch what Minkowski said to Desmond regarding what triggered his symptoms? I thought he said something about him and another crew member peeking or getting too close to the island.

I recall he said something to the effect of taking up the anchor and moving towards the island. (correct me if I'm wrong here, I didn't catch what he said- arg, people I was watching with were talking!) But not following the right bearing!

I really think its the bearing thing... there was an intentional shot of the plane's bearing-measuring-thingy (yea, I don't know what its called...) going off the bearing we were shown on the piece of paper right as Desmond has his first flash.

Cardie's point is important. Why did Danielle have to shoot them? I *guess* because they were acting so alarmingly (and she didn't know they'd die on their own) that she felt they had been infected. They must have been acting so erratically that they were a danger to each other. I mean, think about it. Desmond is coming in and out of consciousness. He's falling over, etc. Now imagine a whole team of people doing that off and on.... it must have been extremely frightening. And to see them bleeding from the nose and passing out? Danielle had a baby to take care of. She must have felt that she had to kill them.
Now why wasn't she affected and they were so affected? I have no idea.
But I am so glad that they sickness is back!

Something related to electromagnetic or radiation exposure perhaps? I think only Desmond so far because of the hatch implosion has been exposed to enough electromagnetism to get the sickness from the time displacement. Maybe something happened on Rousseau's boat that she was away from/shielded from.

Charlie, Eko, and Locke were in the hatch when it exploded too. That would mean that Locke might react this way too if he were to leave the island and not get off on the right bearing.

Maybe Danielle's crew was on Island during the last "incident" and that's when they were exposed? Maybe Danielle was not in the same vicinity?

Wow, so after reading a few of the posts on here, it seems fairly obvious now that "the sickness" has just been explained in this episode. Some of us were so afraid it had been written off as some unexplained thing, but tonight it finally makes sense. This is why Rousseau's band of shipmates all went crazy and "got sick".

I guess now a new question emerges (of course) - why aren't the Losties affected the same way?


I was wondering about too. So far there are about 3 threads going with this topic. I wonder what that vaccine was for that Desmond was seen using at the beginning of Season 2 and that Claire was giving to her self and the baby after Charlie found it in the supply drop. Do you think that was something to help a person adjust to the magnetic effects of the island

I was wondering about too. So far there are about 3 threads going with this topic. I wonder what that vaccine was for that Desmond was seen using at the beginning of Season 2 and that Claire was giving to her self and the baby after Charlie found it in the supply drop. Do you think that was something to help a person adjust to the magnetic effects of the island


That is true. And, oddly enough, Desmond stopped taking the shot because he thought they were pointless. He even tells claire that they are. Maybe now it's effects took hold.

Maybe the Freighter is Danielle's boat. if over one day passed for a 20 minute flight to the boat, how long in real time would 16 years be?

Maybe the Freighter is Danielle's boat. if over one day passed for a 20 minute flight to the boat, how long in real time would 16 years be?

Don't know, but that gives me goosebumps.

I really think its the bearing thing... there was an intentional shot of the plane's bearing-measuring-thingy (yea, I don't know what its called...) going off the bearing we were shown on the piece of paper right as Desmond has his first flash.

I think this has a lot to do with it also. It probably depends on which course they came in on/left the island on? Plus they were all exposed in some degree during the hatch explosion.

From what I remember, the original script for Solitary included dialogue in which Danielle tells Sayid that her team had been studying time. It all fits nicely.

16 years on island = 81 days real time using the 1 day to 20 minute example.

Didn't Danielle say her ship crashed on the rocks? The freighter calendar said 2004 so it's unlikely it's Danielle's ship. But maybe it was a ship sent to look for hers...

i love this show...how awesome you guys connected those dots...i didnt even think of it as i was too wrapped up in magnetic moments...lol

I still think the vaccine might be a hoax. But you never know.

If Locke is indeed suffering the effects of the island/time consciousness travel... wouldn't it make sense that he's been talking to Jacob in alternate timelines/periods? That would absolutely explain the missing cabin... how only certain people can communicate with him, etc.

and if i remember the screen capture of Jacob right, he was wearing an outfit that looked from the 1700's. he was wearing one of those wigs with curls. this supports the evidence that Jacob is indeed from a different time and Locke is able to talk to someone who doesn't appear there.

From what I remember, the original script for Solitary included dialogue in which Danielle tells Sayid that her team had been studying time. It all fits nicely.

OMG you're right. I totally forgot! I read that script! I wish that website still existed! It was pressexcute.com I think, but it's gone.

I'm not sure this is the sickness. None of these folks seem to have become so dangerous that they would need to be shot--and death from the side effects seems to come pretty fast on its own.

CardieGood point.

OMG you're right. I totally forgot! I read that script! I wish that website still existed! It was pressexcute.com I think, but it's gone.

Rats - but I have to hand it to the writers -- brilliant. OMG, now all I want to do is spend a whole day looking at Danielle's maps again!

I believe that the prior connections before the island.. the seemingly happenstance meetings in flashbacks that everybody seems to have.. maybe these are how they establish a "constant".

The shot they gave Minkowski, could it be the vaccine they were giving Claire? If it is, does Juliette know more than she is letting on?

I'm on the fence on this:

Desmond

Desmond accidentally crashed on the island, presumably through the vortice/portal/wormhole. There's no way of knowing if he came through on the "correct bearing." However, he was taken by Kelvin to the Swan hatch and given shots, as already mentioned, perhaps to counter the EM affects.

Flight 815

Crashed on the island presumably coming though the same vortice/portal/wormhole. But none of the 815ers have showed any signs of this sickness. The only one to exit the island that we've seen afterward is Sayid and he hasn't shown any ill affects.

Danielle

Is the one who mentioned the sickness. Her whole crew got sick and she killed them. BUT she didn't get sick. Neither did Alex. But we don't know how Alex was raised. Damielle was pregnant but how would that counter the EM affects? Especially since the island attacks fetuses like a virus.

Juliet

Was brought to the island via submarine. She isn't sick and she's never been shown to take shots. Could travelling through the portal underwater save you from the affects?

Ben/Richard/Ethan

All seem to have come and gone from the Island. None were sick and none were shown to have taken shots. Course they probably used the submarine too.

I'm thinking that because Danielle was pregnant, she was protected or kept away from some electromagnetic force that the other crew members had to endure (just like Desmond, Charlie Locke etc endured in the hatch implosion). Either that, or Alex was her contant that kept her sane.

Maybe. I brought up on another thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=90407) that maybe this
is the sickness that Danielle's team suffers from upon
their arrival to the island.

I'm thinking that because Danielle was pregnant, she was protected or kept away from some electromagnetic force that the other crew members had to endure. Either that or Alex was her contant that kept her sane.

That's true. The idea of the constant could easily be her daughter. It's likely thats what she cared about the most.

So Desmond had vaccine from Dharma? Where did the Others get their vaccine from, the stuff that Ethan had?

I also think it is the sickness. I was just thinking if it is the same shot it will help to figure out who "Ben's person on the boat" is.

Could this be related to "The Incident" that Dr. Candle mentions in the Swan orientation film? Maybe the electromagnetic field needed to be discharged regularly to avoid "the sickness."

Or was that already explained?

I'm thinking that because Danielle was pregnant, she was protected or kept away from some electromagnetic force that the other crew members had to endure. Either that or Alex was her contant that kept her sane.

I was thinking along the same lines, that she was kept away from it. Maybe her team was researching with radiation and such and kept Daniele on the other side of the boat so it didnt hurt the baby. So then when they came to the island they felt the "side effects" and of course got this sickness and died. It also explains why she would kill Robert, his sickness probably set in a little slower and she knew the signs of it and when she saw him start to show the signs she decided to put him out of his misery more or less.

I agree that "unstuck in time" is the sickness, and I've posted in the other thread about it, but I think this shot was not the vaccine. I think the shot was a sedative. I'm unsure if the vaccine on the island did anything real or not. I mean, if you need a "constant" to be unstuck in time, how would a vaccine help with that? Or was the vaccine just counteracting the electromagnetic exposure thereby preventing the time jumping issue?

For me, it lies in what Faraday asked..."Has he been exposed to a large amount of radiation or electromagnetism?"

That's why it's not a problem for Sayid or the pilot, because neither of them had that large exposure.
As for Danielle's crew - maybe it's possible they were performing some experiments that exposed them to radiation or EM, but because she was pregnant, she wasn't able to be in on them. Although, as long as her crew hadn't LEFT the island, I don't see why they would get the sickness. :confused:
Also, wasn't her husband with her? He could have been her constant, I suppose.

I also think it is the sickness. I was just thinking if it is the same shot it will help to figure out who "Ben's person on the boat" is.

I am thinking that it was that doctor who administered the shot.

I believe that the prior connections before the island.. the seemingly happenstance meetings in flashbacks that everybody seems to have.. maybe these are how they establish a "constant".

I was thinking, they didn't really know each other in the past, but being on the same plane, and "seemingling happenstance meetings" could cause a constant.

For me, it lies in what Faraday asked..."Has he been exposed to a large amount of radiation or electromagnetism?"

That's why it's not a problem for Sayid or the pilot, because neither of them had that large exposure.
As for Danielle's crew - maybe it's possible they were performing some experiments that exposed them to radiation or EM, but because she was pregnant, she wasn't able to be in on them. Although, as long as her crew hadn't LEFT the island, I don't see why they would get the sickness. :confused:
Also, wasn't her husband with her? He could have been her constant, I suppose.

The only real reason I can see for her crew being sick is if they came in on the wrong bearings and then were affected. And the idea of the crew being exposed to radiation, but not danielle because of being pregnant is an interesting idea.

This episode has sparked my interest more than any episode in a while.

That's true. The idea of the constant could easily be her daughter. It's likely thats what she cared about the most.

But Alex being her comstant would only work if the past her conciousness traveled to also had Alex in it. Remember, Faraday said your constant had to be something you cared about that was in both times your mind was leaping between and you had to make contact with it. So, for Alex to be Rousseau's constant the time-leaping would have to be within a relatively short time period. Somewhere between Alex's birth and when the Others took her.

I'm not saying it's impossible just pretty darn convenient for Rousseau.

But Alex being her comstant would only work if the past her conciousness traveled to also had Alex in it. Remember, Faraday said your constant had to be something you cared about that was in both times your mind was leaping between and you had to make contact with it. So, for Alex to be Rousseau's constant the time-leaping would have to be within a relatively short time period. Somewhere between Alex's birth and when the Others took her.

I'm not saying it's impossible just pretty darn convenient for Rousseau.

Yeah, I actually considered that. She could actually "flashback" anytime she was pregnant as well and still have Alex as her constant. She would just have to "care" that she was going to be a mother and problem solved.

But yeah, still a small window and convenient for her.

Yeah, I actually considered that. She could actually "flashback" anytime she was pregnant as well and still have Alex as her constant. She would just have to "care" that she was going to be a mother and problem solved.

But yeah, still a small window and convenient for her.

That's true. I guess pregnancy is even better contact than talking to someone that would be your constant. Still convenient but it could work.

OR maybe you just answered your question!!

Desmond had to have a constant - so what if all the Losties - and Danielle now - have a "constant" in 200 - whenever???

Just a thought... With this little time traveling thing - anything goes!

I totally think that's true!!! And I think their Constants are all their connections with each other - made in the past, rekindled on the Island, and depicted in the flashbacks. More on this below!

I still think the vaccine might be a hoax. But you never know.

I think the vaccine is *totally* a hoax... If the way to alleviate the ill effects of the time... phenomenon is through having a constant, what good is the vaccine going to do? ... Unless the vaccine is a placebo, and the vaccine itself functions as the constant.

I believe that the prior connections before the island.. the seemingly happenstance meetings in flashbacks that everybody seems to have.. maybe these are how they establish a "constant".

Bingo!!!!:)

And it's that aspect of this - seen in tonight's episode with Des and Penny - that has very profound existential meaning to me.

It's the abiding presence of meaningful connections that are made manifest in human interactions and relationships that invariably steady us and enable us to navigate the vissicitudes and varying complexities, the trials, storms, and tribulations that naturally come along with life in a temporal existence.

I've been studying some Buddhist thought and doing some Buddhist meditative practices recently... and one of the ideas that is prevalent in Buddhism and is a driving impetus behind the reasons for meditation is that suffering is caused when the mind holds impermanent phenomena in the consciousness. Time figures into this, as suffering is only prolonged and intensifies when suffering is *not* put into its proper perspective, that it is, in fact, impermanent.

("Only fools are enslaved by time and space.", as the Room 23 video says.)

And so meditation is meant to cultivate mindfulness such that one realizes the impermanence of temporal phenomena, and is thus unaffected by it, allowing one to connect with his/her higher consciousness, the divinity inside, whatever you want to call it... This is a divinity that exists inside every human being... (the word "namaste" means, roughly, "from the place of divinity within myself, I recognize and honor the divinity within you.") And so perhaps it is these connections between the Losties, on a meaningful level, that empowers them to navigate the complexities that come along with suffering in a temporal world... on an existential, and, it seems now, on a literal level.

To me, that's a very deep and profound statement on the beauty and sublimity of the state of the human condition and human relationships... I'm sure most of us have stories about people in our lives that have been constants in times of turbulence... and this episode expressed that so beautifully. Des and Penny on the phone on Christmas Eve was such a moving scene. This was masterfully done.

(By the way, I am not a Buddhist.... I'm just a student and a seeker. I don't really have the Buddhist religious vocabulary to express the ideas that I did in as coherent a fashion as I'd like to... So, if there are any Buddhists reading this, please feel free to correct me if I've misunderstood or misrepresented any aspects of Buddhist belief.)

I have a quick question. Did Rousseau ever mention anything about confusion or memory loss due to the sickness? All I can remember her saying was that Sayid should watch out for anyone who suddenly wanted to leave the island. I could be wrong though. If anyone can, please refresh my memory about what Rousseau said in regards to the sickness.

OR maybe you just answered your question!!

Desmond had to have a constant - so what if all the Losties - and Danielle now - have a "constant" in 200 - whenever???

Just a thought... With this little time traveling thing - anything goes!

In retrospect, ALL of the losties had been in some kind of contact with each other pre-island, even if just in passing. (I.e. on the plane, at the airport, Jack Shepard/Ana Lucia/ Sawyer, etc.). So, could that translate into a constant ON the island, too? Technically, many of those "contact" points could be stuck in some kind of sub-conscious therefore translating into clear memories.

Kind of vague, yes. But makes sense - at least as much as this show can make sense.

Any takers?

I doubt that what we saw last week was the sickness. That's a big stretch.

Has there been any confirmation of this? Everyone is taking this as confirmed......I don't think it fits myself. What about the Two Months deal, or the "Carriers"?

No, this has not been confirmed.

Wellllllll, I guess we know what happened to Danielle's crew now-"time ebola" I suppose...and yet she's still here. Minkowski suggested it would happen to everybody if "we keep going back to that island". Maybe, for some of the people on Danielle's boat, it wasn't their first trip? Was Danielle affected any, or did her being pregnant/birthing, and/or she came once and never left, somehow keep her from going bonkers?...(<>..<>)Dang you beat me to it! LOL

Here's my take: We know that Danielle's ship crashed so I'll bet she entered through a storm just like Des did when he crashed. And I'll bet that *storm* was the electromagnetic field that the chopper flew through. We know, those that have the DVDs for S03 (or is it S02??) that Desmond painted the mural while stuck in the hatch. It obviously had prophetic meaning and he also passed through some kind of storm. Perhaps since he was knocked out before washing on shore he didn't get hit as hard as he did when he was awake and flying in the chopper (and he obviously got a much stronger dose when he turned the failsafe key for, I think, 2 reasons ... 1] he was closer to a full dose and 2] he was awake) but he still managed to get *glimpses* (or mini-flashes) of future events though he had no idea that's what they were at the time. And then the chopper he was also awake and right in the *eye* of it, so to speak.

Now for Danielle: Didn't she say something about what the crash was like and the sickness in S01? They were out of their minds, or something like that? (I'll have to re-watch S01 again.) For all we know she was knocked unconscious or perhaps, since she was pregnant, she may have fainted.

But I'm sure you're right that this IS the sickness!

I'm not sure this is the sickness. None of these folks seem to have become so dangerous that they would need to be shot--and death from the side effects seems to come pretty fast on its own.

Cardie


Well, Cardie, we ARE talking about Danielle, bless her heart, it's just lucky she didn't shoot herself,!! She is such a beautiful woman and I would LOVE to see some flashbacks on her....and what happened with her BAYBEEEEE, Alex.

Havn't been here since forever...thank's Jane..love ya
Lovely to see you all xoxoxoxo MissL

I'm not sure this is the sickness. None of these folks seem to have become so dangerous that they would need to be shot--and death from the side effects seems to come pretty fast on its own.

CardieCardie, you'd know better than my memory. Did Danielle say how long they were on the island before she shot her crew? But there could be a lot of reasons why, if it did, it may have taken them longer to develop or she may have just shot them when the bleeding began not knowing they were going to die that quickly. My money is still on this being *it* mainly because we know *something* happened to them and it wasn't in the air (as Kelvin proved way back when) and this is the first thing we've seen that even comes close to being a sickness (for anyone that didn't understand what was happening).

I thought the symptoms didn't show up for two months, which certainly isn't the pattern we're seeing on the freighter. I can see that there might have been high exposure to EM or radiation from her team's experiments and she was the one not to have that exposure because she was pregnant.

I suppose we could have a scenario in which they are exposed to the EM for those months and then they go exploring on a boat they've salvaged or constructed and come into contact with the barrier before scurrying back to the island.

Cardie

I thought the symptoms didn't show up for two months, which certainly isn't the pattern we're seeing on the freighter. I can see that there might have been high exposure to EM or radiation from her team's experiments and she was the one not to have that exposure because she was pregnant.

I suppose we could have a scenario in which they are exposed to the EM for those months and then they go exploring on a boat they've salvaged or constructed and come into contact with the barrier before scurrying back to the island.

CardieThanks, I think you're right about the 2 months. But! Danielle's team didn't have the SWAN incident. Perhaps when Des turned that key it released more EM particles (would that be what they'd be called?) in the air and that's why the sickness is moving much faster now than 16 years ago. :eek2: