After this episode it's rather hard to argue against time and the anomaly of time not being correct is the centerpiece of this show.

So.. now what? Do we have enough time?

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Yeah I wasn't a big fan of the time theories but they somehow pulled it off. It helped by tying it in with the sickness (if that is what it is.)

It was very interesting that the moment they entered the storm Desmond forgot his present (Sayid, island friends etc.). Since Desmond entered during a storm does this mean that everything since that storm during his boat wreck is really a fleeting moment in Desmond's time awareness?

I half expected Kelvin to show up somewhere tonight.

If Des starts reading his book we'll know the end for him is near.

Indeed. The "Science Guys" must be loving this episode. I love how they did it all; I really did. From the answers we got in the on island Daniel-Des conversation, to the lovely way they treated the Des-Penny romance, or as someone else coined cleverly elsewhere "this timeless romance."

What an episode. Cant wait to check the 'Lage tomorrow at work. :)

It was done very well. This was the first flash back, flash forward... or man just flashing all around that was seamless with what we viewers consider to be the present. Of course we consider the time we see them on the freighter to be the present but now I'm not so sure.

Poor Eloise was one of the minor characters of this incredible episode, but she may have provided the biggest clue that the future DOES change.

Because if she's dead, how could Daniel teach her the maze one hour in the future? He must have done so in ANOTHER timeline. (That also explains why the note re Desmond is now in an early page of Daniel's notebook, but dead Eloise is the best proof.)

So that means Sayid doesn't need to become a hitman for Ben, Jack doesn't need to become a suicidal alcoholic junkie, Hurley doesn't have to go back to the institution, and Claire may get to keep Aaron after all.

I don't see how you could interpret it differently, despite what TPTB said in podcasts.

That's a very good point.. you can't teach a dead rat new tricks. So possibly what Ms Hawkings said to Desmond is what it going on. The universe course corrected after the future event of Daniel teaching the Eloise how to complete the course. Oh wait I just said after the future. I've gone mad. I don't think it's possible to have an "after" the future... Shew it's a mind bender for sure.

So could this be what Danielle's people had? If they were on a boat, were they like the Freighter until they finally came to the island?
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Poor Eloise was one of the minor characters of this incredible episode, but she may have provided the biggest clue that the future DOES change.

Because if she's dead, how could Daniel teach her the maze one hour in the future? He must have done so in ANOTHER timeline. (That also explains why the note re Desmond is now in an early page of Daniel's notebook, but dead Eloise is the best proof.)

So that means Sayid doesn't need to become a hitman for Ben, Jack doesn't need to become a suicidal alcoholic junkie, Hurley doesn't have to go back to the institution, and Claire may get to keep Aaron after all.

I don't see how you could interpret it differently, despite what TPTB said in podcasts.

I'm not buying the Time TRAVEL theory. I think you only become AWARE of all times. Past, present and future at the same time.

Yeah I wasn't a big fan of the time theories but they somehow pulled it off. It helped by tying it in with the sickness (if that is what it is.)
Yeah, I'd felt the same way before hand, but now I must admit that I did actually like the time travel element. I

didn't even think about the time jumping being the sickness, but it would certainly make sense. But it does bring up the question of why noone else has been affected yet, unless the plane went over The Barrier or something. And also what they were injecting themselves with.

There was no time travel in this episode. Desmonds conscious or sub-conscious was time traveling. In order to have time travel, one must leave their current time and enter another, i.e. Back To The Future.

And why would Faraday teach a rat a maze if he already conquered it??? The rat never vanished into another time, but its mind had visions of the maze and Faraday's teaching. So why would Faraday teach a rat something he already learned.

Man, I would of loved to have that trick when I was in school

There was no time travel in this episode. Desmonds conscious or sub-conscious was time traveling. In order to have time travel, one must leave their current time and enter another, i.e. Back To The Future.

But I think he did physically leave his current time frame. If only his conscious or sub-conscious did the time travel then how could he interact with Penny (and other folks like Charlie in an earlier epi) if he wasn't there himself? It seemed to me he was very real to Penny in the encounter when he told her he'd call her in 8 years on xmas eve.

So are you saying that only his sub-conscious mind was interacting with hers at that time?