Des is unstuck. Maybe Charlie, Christian and other are unstuck too. The can move freely to any point.

Maybe I'm making this too complicated. We don't die after the point of our death, we just go elsewhere and those are able to time travel like charlie and christian.

And if you're dead, no worries about getting a brain aneurysm!

Cardie

Ooh, very interesting idea.

And it could help explain the whispers. They don't even need to be the dead, it could be people from any point in the past/ future on the island, with bits of their "consciousness" bleeding through to the time we are seeing.

love it - I think you on to something. But why don't we see Boone and Shannon? And is Walt just special because of this ability - so he can freely move like the dead but still be alive?

Ooh, very interesting idea.

And it could help explain the whispers. They don't even need to be the dead, it could be people from any point in the past/ future on the island, with bits of their "consciousness" bleeding through to the time we are seeing.

Wow! I think you got it! This epi seems to be explaing a lot!

I was thinking about this idea tonight, too. The final scene in Eko's last episode has me convinced that this theory is right. You know, when they show young Eko and his brother walking off into the sunset. It gives me chills.

Des is unstuck. Maybe Charlie, Christian and other are unstuck too. The can move freely to any point.

Maybe I'm making this too complicated. We don't die after the point of our death, we just go elsewhere and those are able to time travel like charlie and christian.

Do you mean because Desmond found his constant that he has the same 'time travel' abilities as the dead do? (ie, being unstuck)

Could this finally explain in TBOTE Jack yelling about His Dad being drunker than him upstairs? Could the dead time tripping work in the Flash Forwards too???

I agree that something is up with all the "dead, but here people", but I think thier experience does not fall into the "Desmond's time travel experience" category.

I agree that something is up with all the "dead, but here people", but I think thier experience does not fall into the "Desmond's time travel experience" category.


I would agree, too. Perhaps related, but not same as cerebral time travel.

I think Charlie is unstuck in time. He was in close proximity to the hatch during the implosion and he returned with no memory of the event. I think when he drowned in the Looking Glass his consciousness became unstuck and he's been travelling ever since. I also think that Hurley may be his constant, since it would explain his need to speak to Hurley in the futureflash.

So now that Penny confirmed that she remembered speaking to Charlie and that she would do what she could to find Desmond, she may try to research this Charlie Pace as a clue and find that he is living in London.

I really don't think so. Dying in the present would make your mind dead, you wouldn't be abel to make the time jump anymore.

What if his mind became unstuck before his body died? Drowning in icy cold water can take quite a long time. He may have died after. He can no longer return to the island but he can be anywhere else his body once existed.

Could this finally explain in TBOTE Jack yelling about His Dad being drunker than him upstairs? Could the dead time tripping work in the Flash Forwards too???


I think the Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse explained that in response to massive amounts of emails after that ep. that many people who have lost someone, may, at points when they're very emotional or wound up, talk about loved ones they've lost as if they're still alive.

I think the Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse explained that in response to massive amounts of emails after that ep. that many people who have lost someone, may, at points when they're very emotional or wound up, talk about loved ones they've lost as if they're still alive.

Thanks, I didn't know if that was ever explained. Plus Jack was pretty heavily medicated:biggrin: .

Des is unstuck. Maybe Charlie, Christian and other are unstuck too. The can move freely to any point.

Maybe I'm making this too complicated. We don't die after the point of our death, we just go elsewhere and those are able to time travel like charlie and christian.

Christian did not die on the island, so he shouldn't have this power.

And since Charlie is dead, wouldn't he be a ghost when he time travelled to see Hurley at the mental hospital?

I honestly hope with all of my being that this is true. If it is, it means we might get to see Libby again, and finally learn who she was. :sob: And I don't think I can ever be satisfied with the show's final resolution unless we find that out.

It also explains the whispers in a fashion better than what most people expect it to be, "evil spirits" or something of the kind. It could be people who have been on the island's voices from different time periods bleeding into the present, whether the owners of the voices are dead or not. Heck, it could even be the voices of our Losties distorted by time and played back!

Do you mean because Desmond found his constant that he has the same 'time travel' abilities as the dead do? (ie, being unstuck)

No. I'm not going that far yet. I thought about that too, but I'm not that clear on this. I'm waiting to see what the constant will do for Des. It could make him time trip without the problems, or it could just make it stop.

Des is unstuck. Maybe Charlie, Christian and other are unstuck too. The can move freely to any point.

Maybe I'm making this too complicated. We don't die after the point of our death, we just go elsewhere and those are able to time travel like charlie and christian.
Duuuuuuuuuuuuude.

I was totally thinking about this last night! I mean, at the point of time traveling, it seems that Desmond's (or whoever is experiencing it, Minkowski, whoever) spirit actually is the "thing", the entity, that travels through time, as his 2004 body stayed in the present, and his 1996 bod stayed in 1996, ya know? The experience did affect the body, but then again the power of a spiritual anchor, someone you truly love, who is important to you, to be a constant for your spirit, your psyche, dare I say your soul, can stop the physical effects by grounding you, and in so doing, all your memories come back, the physical symptoms stop, etc. The constant is the "cure" for "the sickness", so really it is all spiritual, if you think about it--or, more accurately, a strong, intentional spiritual action of focusing on a constant can stop the physical phenomenon, it can re-anchor you, your spirit, in the present time. So what's to say that the time anomaly that affects the spirit, the soul, is picky about if you are alive in a body or floating around as disembodied spirit?

Ooooookay...it is way too early in the a.m. for me to have made any sense in talking about such a mind-blowingly intense quantum physics/spiritual/cosmic subject as time travel and souls and what happens to our souls when we die...the latter topic being intense enough for whole great religions to form to try to answer it, and that is in the regular, mundane world, not the island with its time anomaly that possibly complicates the issue of what happens to our "souls" after death even further!

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. LOST is mind-blowing. In a good way!

What if dying in one timeline meant that you chose to stay in the other timeline for some reason? I mean to say if you jumped time lines and decided that you liked it better there and chose in your heart to stay somehow.....that you die in the previous time line, but stay alive in the current one that you are in.

Does that make any sense?

I really don't think so. Dying in the present would make your mind dead, you wouldn't be abel to make the time jump anymore.

That isn't necessarily true in this show. To me, it sure seemed like George Minkowski died TWICE. Once as his 2004 consciousness and secondly as his other-time consciousness.

the presumption IS that now it is 2004. Minkowski (ie) will never be alive past his death on Dec 24th 2004 ever again! I doubt the subject will ever be visited in the story of Lost but,...of course he can be alive in any date prior to to his 2004 death because he WAS alive prior to his death. Hopefully after death we will all be awarded the option of revisiting any year of our lives and be able to do so as many times as we'd like. On the other hand we couldn't just pop up at a future date....the definition of that is being ALIVE.

Now if you're dead (like Charlie) I guess you could show up in some form or another past ur date of death (like in the way he HAS shown up to Hurley) just not as a living, breathing ALIVE person.