There was no trace of human warmth in anything Charlotte said or did in this episode. She is like the female Miles and both of them (i hope) will meet a nasty end, either by someone straight up shooting them, the smoke monster, the island itself, or their own big mouths. I like Dan and Lapidus now, Dan's nervousness when i first saw him, i thought was underlying something sinister and Lapidus seemed very quiet and secretive. But charlotte i hate, and hate her even more. during the first scene on the beach, i was begging for someone just to knock her out and let dan speak. why was she not the least bit concerned about anything? & i don't think its cause she knew without a doubt they'd be fine. dan knows a lot more than she does and he was very worried. what do you think her motive is for being here?

Yeah I was wondering the same thing. I wouldn't have been surprised to have any of the freighter people acting oppositionally except for the fact that when Charlotte first came to the island, she seemed really struck with wonder at the experience of being on the island as well as quite open and friendly with the Losties. Maybe her kidnapping has soured her, but it seems like more than that...

She acted friendly when she thought they thought the arrival meant rescue. It was clear to me that she didn't want to explain anything to the survivors (and Juliet). It doesn't help when Juliet comes back immediately after Charlotte stopped talking with an accusing tone. Since these people were apparently looking for Ben, they could have had access to the info that Ben had Mikhail retrieve on the passengers. What would Ben need with a manifest/files on the passengers of an airplane? In her flashback Charlotte was not convinced that the plane that was found was the real plane. I think she knew the plane was on the island, and the people probably wanted to get home. That may have been her opportunity to find the island and investigate. I think she cares about the island and not the survivors.

I realize now that that is a stretch, but in replying to this thread I sort of developed an entire state of mind for her. Obviously I don't know if I'm right, but that's what I think right now.

I hope she gets bitten by a Medusa spider. :D

She's not cold, it's just natural English restraint...

I thought she was single-minded, ruthless and dangerous originally, but she seems to have a fairly compassionate and sympathetic relationship with Daniel.

She's not cold, it's just natural English restraint...

I thought she was single-minded, ruthless and dangerous originally, but she seems to have a fairly compassionate and sympathetic relationship with Daniel.

I agree with you. Although I wasn't that suspect of her when she first landed on the island as you are, I do believe she's not as indifferent to the Losties as we may think. Just the illustration of her helping Daniel adds to my opinion that there's much more to Charlotte than what she projects & people take at face value.. I'm not turned off by her in the slightest.

I think it's just a defense mechanism. I like her and think that she is protective of Daniel.

Yes, Charlotte did come off as somewhat of a b#$%@! when she said, "should I wring my hands and whisper a prayer?" It seems to me to be a sign of her arrogance, a why should I have to explain this to you people attitude. She doesn't seem to have much empathy for the losties and what they've endured. The island strips away layers of pretension to get to who people really are, and I think the cheery, sweet Charlotte that was overjoyed to see Team Locke was one of those pretensions. I also believe that Charlotte was unprepared for what her island experiences would be like, it would be easier and it hasn't been and slowly her various layers and arrogance are being peeled away. Whether the real Charlotte will be someone on the side of the losties has yet to be seen.

I think that is just who she is. Part of her character coming into light.
Daniel said that their rescue was not their primary objective. He seems
to have a hard time being rude. But at the same time studying this island.

Charlotte has no problem being harsh, cause she simply does not care
about these people. She is there to use her expertise in science to figure
out what makes this island tic. She probably has no plans of leaving or
going back to freighter. Like Miles, I think she is right where she wants
to be.

I think that is just who she is. Part of her character coming into light.
Daniel said that their rescue was not their primary objective. He seems
to have a hard time being rude. But at the same time studying this island.

Charlotte has no problem being harsh, cause she simply does not care
about these people. She is there to use her expertise in science to figure
out what makes this island tic. She probably has no plans of leaving or
going back to freighter. Like Miles, I think she is right where she wants
to be.
Ironic, that Farday who has some kind of head injury/mental disorder(possibly from the radiation of his experiments at Oxford?) that puts him in the care of a caregiver he seems to deal with people better than Charlotte who is seemingly more together. You're right Charlotte doesn't care about these people, but neither did Sawyer when he first arrived and now he is almost a completely different person. I'm not saying Charlotte will change but the island has changed all of these people even Ben to a certain degree. Judging from this episode I don't think the freightastic four know the full extent of their people's goals. There seem to be different levels of information on the freighter.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that she has been shot and held captive by these people while being on the island for just a couple of days?

Nah. Why would that make anyone cranky?

I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that she has been shot and held captive by these people while being on the island for just a couple of days?

Nah. Why would that make anyone cranky?
That probably has a lot to do with it, I just didn't mention it. And that line, "Should I wring my hands and whisper a prayer?" Could be her way of mocking the losties. Which goes to my point that I don't think Charlotte knew exactly what she was getting into when she signed up for this mission. She probably thought it would be easier than it has turned out to be. She wore a bulletproof vest but that doesn't mean she actually expected to be shot at. Her experiences thusfar on the island have caused her to come to this realization, which is why she is acting the way she is. Like I said in my last post, the island has a way of stripping away social pretensions to get to who a person really is, that is starting with Charlotte.

She does seem rather cold a person. But she's not completely devoid of emotion anything. She does show warmth to Daniel. Besides, she doesn't really have a lot of close people on the island anyway.

And neither does Miles really. But I thought Miles showed warmth when he told Kate she should stay on the island. He seems detached too, because he has no friends on the island.

she does seem mean doesn't she? i don't like her at all, that's all I know. Hope she doesn't last too long! Isn't that mean to say?!!

she does seem mean doesn't she? i don't like her at all, that's all I know. Hope she doesn't last too long! Isn't that mean to say?!!
I don't hate her, like I said for all her toughness and intelligence she isn't prepared for the island. I think we're supposed to hate her character for now, later on we might sympathize with her after we get her backstory. Look at all the other characters that have been unsympathetic that have been humanized, Sawyer, Juliet, and even Ben to a certain extent. Plus, I don't think that too many people on the freighter, especially the freightastic four know the full extent of the freighter's mission. Easy way to keep control is limit the flow of information. It could just be that her life experiences make her cold.

I too thought Charlotte's comment was certainly uncalled for (it was like something Miles would say). I actually thought she was quite friendly when she was first talking animatedly to Locke's group by the lake, but I'm not sure I like her that much anymore. I agree that her flashbacks will probably make her more sympathetic. I used to absolutely despise Juliet as well, but now I like her.

Yeah, Dan and Frank pretty much rock.

Miles and Charlotte... I don't know what the hell's their problem.

But who knows, maybe she'll prove us wrong in episodes to come! People aren't always what they seem, I suppose.

Yeah, Dan and Frank pretty much rock.

Miles and Charlotte... I don't know what the hell's their problem.

But who knows, maybe she'll prove us wrong in episodes to come! People aren't always what they seem, I suppose.
Not excusing Miles and Charlotte, but Dan and Frank have had it much easier on the island than Miles and Charlotte, but Miles came on the island with a chip on his shoulder so I don't know what his problem is, but Charlotte's attitude I somewhat understand she has been used as a chess piece and bargaining tool by the losties. I'm not saying that excusesd her behavior but it is understandable. But you'd think that she would choose her words carefully given that she is essentially at the mercy of the losties, I mean look what happened to Ethan and Goodwin.

There was no trace of human warmth in anything Charlotte said or did in this episode. She is like the female Miles and both of them (i hope) will meet a nasty end, either by someone straight up shooting them, the smoke monster, the island itself, or their own big mouths. I like Dan and Lapidus now, Dan's nervousness when i first saw him, i thought was underlying something sinister and Lapidus seemed very quiet and secretive. But charlotte i hate, and hate her even more. during the first scene on the beach, i was begging for someone just to knock her out and let dan speak. why was she not the least bit concerned about anything? & i don't think its cause she knew without a doubt they'd be fine. dan knows a lot more than she does and he was very worried. what do you think her motive is for being here?

You see "Tekneck" this is where we differ. I love the mean characters, Miles, Charlotte, Sawyer, (sometimes) Ana ect.. and I dislike the goody goody characters, (Claire, ) but Libby is an exception. I don't find Charlotte cold, I think its her personality. I love her sarcasm and wit. I love Miles's twisted sense of humor and your not exactly giving much time for the characters progress, the freighters just got to the island a day or two ago. I think we need a tough female and Charlottle is perfect!! I think she is one of the best characters!!

I like her (and Miles for that matter). I like snarky characters. I see Miles as an opportunist and villain, but he's definitely an interesting character.

Charlotte we haven't seen enough of yet for me to really form a strong opinion. I do think she is protective of Daniel. She doesn't seem to care about the Losties, but why should she? Half of them took her hostage, after all.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that she has been shot and held captive by these people while being on the island for just a couple of days?

Nah. Why would that make anyone cranky?Well building on that, what if we throw in that these strangers also killed her shipmate? Perhaps the combination might be enough to make her "cranky" when asked a question about something beyond her control? I thought it was a well deserved bit of snark for her to answer the question the way she did. A way to assert what little control she could into events affecting her.

I think Charlotte is hot! :love:

She's evil. She will stub her toe. Jack will fix it all better and fall in love with her. Kate will be beside herself in jealousy.

I hope she gets bitten by a Medusa spider. :D

lol I have completely forgot about the spiders until now!!! :biggrin:

Maybe she's so cold because Locke was the first person she saw??? lol

Well building on that, what if we throw in that these strangers also killed her shipmate? Perhaps the combination might be enough to make her "cranky" when asked a question about something beyond her control? I thought it was a well deserved bit of snark for her to answer the question the way she did. A way to assert what little control she could into events affecting her.
Along those lines judging from the Tunisia flashback I think Charlotte is used to getting her way, she isn't used to not getting her way and that coupled with her experiences as a chess piece and her arrogance may give her a bad attitude. That or she is evil to the core.

There was no trace of human warmth in anything Charlotte said or did in this episode. She is like the female Miles and both of them (i hope) will meet a nasty end, either by someone straight up shooting them, the smoke monster, the island itself, or their own big mouths. I like Dan and Lapidus now, Dan's nervousness when i first saw him, i thought was underlying something sinister and Lapidus seemed very quiet and secretive. But charlotte i hate, and hate her even more. during the first scene on the beach, i was begging for someone just to knock her out and let dan speak. why was she not the least bit concerned about anything? & i don't think its cause she knew without a doubt they'd be fine. dan knows a lot more than she does and he was very worried. what do you think her motive is for being here?

Totally, whatever happened to Smokey the Smoke Monster anyway??? We haven't seen it since it killed Mr. Eko...:confused:

I think Charlotte is hot! :love:
got that right

She forgot the straw to her juice box that is why she is so cold!

I got the impression from her flashback that if Charlotte sets her mind to something, she'll get it. Being shot twice and held captive is probably making her more cynical than usual. I think Charlotte is there to do a job and she is going to get that job done. That's the impression I get from her and I personally love her, but I think i'm in the severe minority.

Charlotte's treatment of Juliet reminded me of Juliet's treatment of the Losties. Charlotte is colder, for sure, but it was interesting seeing Juliet, formerly an other, being kept in the dark and not liking it.

I got the impression from her flashback that if Charlotte sets her mind to something, she'll get it. Being shot twice and held captive is probably making her more cynical than usual. I think Charlotte is there to do a job and she is going to get that job done. That's the impression I get from her and I personally love her, but I think i'm in the severe minority.
I never said I didn't like Charlotte, I just recognize that she is arrogant. I don't dislike any of the characters, one of the best things about it is that the characters are complex. Jack, the hero is obsessive, self-righteous, single minded, and convinced of his own rightness. Ben the villain, is probably sociopathic, narcississtic and an egomaniac, but he is also a loving father who suffered from cancer. But enough about them. Like Juliet last season the writers are teasing us as to whether the freightastic four are good or evil. I agree being shot and held captive has probably ripped the rose colored glasses from her eyes. I think the original plan was a kill them with kindness approach when dealing with the losties, but that didn't work so she doesn't see the point in fronting and that is combined with her arrogance and sense of entitlement and resentment at her treatment have caused her to lose patience with losties and her nasty side is coming out. Slowly the layers are being peeled away and we're getting to the real Charlotte. You're not in the minority, I'm reserving the right to dislike or like the character. I'm fine with her being evil just as long as she stays interesting. Look at Ben, he could still be considered evil, but he is still fascinating and complex. Just as long as any new characters don't commit the cardinal sin for new characters: THEY'RE NOT AS ANNOYING AS NIKI AND PAOLO. But I think the writers learned their lesson with those two.

Perhaps Charlotte is cold because she is one of those who believe the island is in the arctic not the tropics? :p

she does seem mean doesn't she? i don't like her at all, that's all I know. Hope she doesn't last too long! Isn't that mean to say?!!

Ain't mean at all, I hate her!
Especially after seeing the sneak peeks for next week!! What a cold-blooded, brutish girl! Arghh:irked:

Charlotte's treatment of Juliet reminded me of Juliet's treatment of the Losties. Charlotte is colder, for sure, but it was interesting seeing Juliet, formerly an other, being kept in the dark and not liking it.

That's an excellent point. Juliet must be madder than we are!! I'd forgotten how much I hated Juliet's refusal to give anything away. At least Charlotte doesn't smile while keeping her secrets - like Juliet always did. She just says obnoxious things.

I like Charlotte. LOST has a dearth of interesting, smart, independent female characters. Juliet is a doctor but we also saw her as an abused, intimidated wife--as she said, "I'm a mess." Sun is a very smart cookie but she doesn't have a career--her whole life has revolved around her relationships to men. Kate and Claire are not well educated and not always smart, and both have lived their lives largely in relation to or victimized by men. Rose is a great earth-mother character, but we don't know anything about her professional life, if any. Shannon was smart, but instead of "going for it" and becoming an independent woman, she chose to work out her abandonment issues by conning her stepbrother and by extension her stepmother. Ana Lucia was a poor excuse for a police officer. Libby was a psychologist and a real trooper, but we also saw her as a mental patient and as an impulsive, extravagantly grieving widow.

Charlotte, so far, is a pretty clear example of a strong, independent, woman of science with her own agenda and the determination to get what she wants. I hope she stays that way.

My theory is that it's because she's so hot. She needs to be cold to achieve equilibrium.

However, she does seem to show a more tender side towards Daniel. Maybe she'll soften up a bit as time goes on.

My theory is that it's because she's so hot. She needs to be cold to achieve equilibrium.

However, she does seem to show a more tender side towards Daniel. Maybe she'll soften up a bit as time goes on.
My feeling was that her tenderness toward Daniel was forced, like she was thinking, come on you nutcase just do what I need you to do already. She is nice to him because he was knowledge, his scientific skills she needs to complete the mission. Other than that she seems to treat Daniel like a child that can't take care of himself. Which is ironic because Daniel seems to be better at dealing with people than she is.

Why was it such a secret about the time dilation? If I were the Losties, I'd separate Dan and Charlotte. Dan is more likely to tell when no one else is around. Say, get Juliet to take him for a walk.

I think all the 'freighties' are there for bigger reasons than we know so far.

In Char's case, i'll guess that she is:
1. related to someone who was a Dharma that got killed by the Others.(or related to Penny is a big one, since she is English.)

2. There to perform the time experiment that results in the 'polar bear in the desert' she finds in her past, that she was so happy to see.

I never said I didn't like Charlotte, I just recognize that she is arrogant. I don't dislike any of the characters, one of the best things about it is that the characters are complex. Jack, the hero is obsessive, self-righteous, single minded, and convinced of his own rightness. Ben the villain, is probably sociopathic, narcississtic and an egomaniac, but he is also a loving father who suffered from cancer. But enough about them. Like Juliet last season the writers are teasing us as to whether the freightastic four are good or evil. I agree being shot and held captive has probably ripped the rose colored glasses from her eyes. I think the original plan was a kill them with kindness approach when dealing with the losties, but that didn't work so she doesn't see the point in fronting and that is combined with her arrogance and sense of entitlement and resentment at her treatment have caused her to lose patience with losties and her nasty side is coming out. Slowly the layers are being peeled away and we're getting to the real Charlotte. You're not in the minority, I'm reserving the right to dislike or like the character. I'm fine with her being evil just as long as she stays interesting. Look at Ben, he could still be considered evil, but he is still fascinating and complex. Just as long as any new characters don't commit the cardinal sin for new characters: THEY'RE NOT AS ANNOYING AS NIKI AND PAOLO. But I think the writers learned their lesson with those two.

Sorry, I wasn't saying that you specifically didnt like Charlotte, I was just saying that the general consensus seems to be that she's not well liked. Anyways I agree with everything you say here, Charlotte was very nice to Team Locke in Confirmed Dead, and lately she's been becoming less and less nice, like you said the layers are being pealed away. I personally think she's most up in the air of the freighties. We know Miles is a jerk, we know Dan is a nice guy, and we know Frank is pretty nice too, I dont see any of them drastically changing anytime soon. With Charlotte we really dont know what she's like yet, and I love that about her.

Charlotte, so far, is a pretty clear example of a strong, independent, woman of science with her own agenda and the determination to get what she wants. I hope she stays that way.

I totally agree, while I love a lot of the women on Lost, they are kind of dictated by men and with Charlotte i'm not getting that vibe at all. Although she does seem to have a soft spot for Dan. I think she is truly is an independant, strong women and will get her job done no matter what. With all that in mind we still dont know her that well, so hopefully, like you said, she stays that way.

Someone pointed out we have so little info that it may have been a flash forward of Charlotte's life that we saw when she found the DI polar bear in Tunisia, and she was looking for clues about Dharma in order to get back to the island....just as Jack rides planes hoping to crash in order to get back.

It's impossible to tell at this point.

So the Fantastic Four have unique skills Widmore/Abaddon found necessary to the search for Ben/the island/the Black Rock/or something still Unknown. Miles has communication with the dead skills. Charlotte is perhaps "the best" cultural anthropologist, or is a relative of Widmore's or both. Dan can figure out what's making the island tick, and Frank can get them all there safely.

They each seem to have their own reasons to be there too...
Miles = money
Charlotte = Dharma
Frank = his pilot friend
Dan = his memory loss

The question is what did Widmore/Abaddon ask them to do in exchange for the answers to their questions? And how badly do they want those answers? Enough to kill? Were they already "in debt" to Mr. Widmore?

Frankly, I didn't like Charlotte much, but her snark to Juliet raised her. We identify with the Losties, since we have been watching the show for a while, but to Charlotte (and Miles), these people haven't shown themselves to be trustworthy. They were making pathetic calls to be rescued using a teammate's phone, but when asked for the phone's owner, wouldn't produce her, and she finally called in with a panic code and died shortly thereafter. Charlotte was taken hostage by the first group she came to and escorted to a cushy village, then traded back and taken to a beach camp with plenty of canned goods and weaponry that is not allowed on planes. Her team's phones and weapons are confiscated and the "rescuees" are eager to send armed men (not injured or sick survivors--don't seem to be any) off to her freighter ASAP.

I wouldn't show worry in front of people who could well be enemies. They haven't earned Charlotte's trust, either, and she probably realizes she is still a hostage, for all intents and purposes.

I believe that Charlotte is a cold person because in her flash back she didn't care what anybody said she was only there for her own gain. I didn't like the look she had when she found that Dharma logo on next to the fossils, it made me think that she was a greedy person who will backstab anyone.

Frankly, I didn't like Charlotte much, but her snark to Juliet raised her. We identify with the Losties, since we have been watching the show for a while, but to Charlotte (and Miles), these people haven't shown themselves to be trustworthy. They were making pathetic calls to be rescued using a teammate's phone, but when asked for the phone's owner, wouldn't produce her, and she finally called in with a panic code and died shortly thereafter. Charlotte was taken hostage by the first group she came to and escorted to a cushy village, then traded back and taken to a beach camp with plenty of canned goods and weaponry that is not allowed on planes. Her team's phones and weapons are confiscated and the "rescuees" are eager to send armed men (not injured or sick survivors--don't seem to be any) off to her freighter ASAP.

I wouldn't show worry in front of people who could well be enemies. They haven't earned Charlotte's trust, either, and she probably realizes she is still a hostage, for all intents and purposes.

All very valid points. I am leaning towards this Charlotte theory. We know and love (or maybe not so much) our Losties, but the FF do not. No love lost there.

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I don't think of Charlotte as cold so much but would describe her as, I don't know, confident? She was not surprised by the news of the helicopter not making it to the freighter because she knew what (probably) happened to it which Jack thought was kind of strange and called her out on it. Daniel finally said "why don't we just tell them." and she seemed annoyed as she probably doesn't think the Losties knowing about anything would help her situation or her real purpose.

We don't know why this rag tag crew was chosen but they all seem to know of their "priority" or mission. They've all been briefed and all must have some motivation for taking such great risks. Miles knew the "sister" code, knows who Ben is and what he's capable of and knows about the losties (Kate being a fugitive), Daniel and Charlotte seem to be hiding info too the way Daniel always looks worried at Charlotte. Frank seems to be a little out of the loop but he wouldn't fly the chopper head on into the storm if he didn't know a little about (and believe in) the space/time thing. I really want to know why they're here and why they were each chosen!!!

I remember Charlotte saying something like she wanted to stay because she's "got work to do" when Frank asked her to come back to the freighter. I wonder what that's about.

I also had a theory (yall can shoot this one down :ohwell:) but when Miles talked to Ben in eggtown he wanted privacy with Kate being right there... he seemed to speak in some kind of code and maybe the 3.2 million had something to do with the bearing they came in on 3.02 or 3.2 and thats maybe why Ben said why not 3.4 or 3.5?... just a crazy thought I know.... :biggrin:

Peace!