Any speculation why October 20-23 are not crossed off on the calendar in the freighter radio room?

Did the freighter itself pass into the time anomaly zone, and lost 4 days?

They were crossed off, but in yellow...a few days were crossed off in either red or blue as well...I was looking at the timeline on lostpedia for any clues...

http://bp2.blogger.com/_pG1kU-zfuxM/R8eBSgnj8kI/AAAAAAAAAH0/OOzacgn4Zms/s1600-h/screen-capture-11.jpg

They were crossed off, but in yellow...a few days were crossed off in either red or blue as well...I was looking at the timeline on lostpedia for any clues...

http://bp2.blogger.com/_pG1kU-zfuxM/R8eBSgnj8kI/AAAAAAAAAH0/OOzacgn4Zms/s1600-h/screen-capture-11.jpg


I see the yellow Xs now. But were they drawn in yellow, or erased from black or red?

And now that I think about it, could the red days mean something different than black days?

Yeah, it means they couldn't find the black pen on the red days and the red pen on black days.

Reading a little too much into the show, aren't we?

Maybe that's how Naomi tracked her fertile days.

Yeah, it means they couldn't find the black pen on the red days and the red pen on black days.

Reading a little too much into the show, aren't we?

Could be, but I'm a bit anal and it would kill me to have different color Xs randomly on the calendar...;)

Thanks for the cap! I don't have HD and to me it looked like all black Xs and it appeared those October days weren't marked at all.

Cheers!

Yeah, it means they couldn't find the black pen on the red days and the red pen on black days.

Reading a little too much into the show, aren't we?


What if the pens then went through the time continuim vortex thing??? :eek2: :eek2: ;)

Yeah, it means they couldn't find the black pen on the red days and the red pen on black days.

Reading a little too much into the show, aren't we?


If you don't like the theory, simply move on. There are many tonight.

Interesting that the freighter's been out looking for them since October or before.

Yeah, it means they couldn't find the black pen on the red days and the red pen on black days.

Reading a little too much into the show, aren't we?
LOL....THAT's the kind of reply I like.

Yeah, it means they couldn't find the black pen on the red days and the red pen on black days.

Reading a little too much into the show, aren't we?

LOL Almost the exact thing I was going to post... :biggrin:

If you don't like the theory, simply move on. There are many tonight.

You're right. I'm sorry. Didn't mean to come off so snooty.

I agree with the poster who suggested that the pen's were suffering from the time ebola too. LOL!

November 4th, a red day, was the day they entered the hatch and the day Walt was taken.

Yeah, it means they couldn't find the black pen on the red days and the red pen on black days.

Reading a little too much into the show, aren't we?


Actually...I think there is some importance to the calendar. First, it's interesting to note that the ship was dispatched all throughout October 2004. It could have been dispatched in September, right after the crash of 815. As for the coloring, there has to be some kind of reasoning behind it. The calender is in sick bay, so it could be the doctor coding illnesses, treatments, or something else entirely. But if you look at the coloring, in October there are mostly black, a string of continuous blue, and 4 yellows, and no red.

The following month, there's no yellows, less blues, and reds. If they left out of port on October 1st, and it took them a month to get to their search area, it would make sense that everyone would be healthy, there's nothing too significant going on. But once they get to an area with many strange anomalies, the red starts on the rise. 7 in November, and 7 in December, with a week and change still to go. They could have gotten away with using black if they were only trying to use the calender to mark the passage of the days.

Then again, you could be right...maybe the doc is just a four pen kinda guy and lost two of them. :(

Actually...I think there is some importance to the calendar. First, it's interesting to note that the ship was dispatched all throughout October 2004. It could have been dispatched in September, right after the crash of 815. As for the coloring, there has to be some kind of reasoning behind it. The calender is in sick bay, so it could be the doctor coding illnesses, treatments, or something else entirely. But if you look at the coloring, in October there are mostly black, a string of continuous blue, and 4 yellows, and no red.

The following month, there's no yellows, less blues, and reds. If they left out of port on October 1st, and it took them a month to get to their search area, it would make sense that everyone would be healthy, there's nothing too significant going on. But once they get to an area with many strange anomalies, the red starts on the rise. 7 in November, and 7 in December, with a week and change still to go. They could have gotten away with using black if they were only trying to use the calender to mark the passage of the days.

Then again, you could be right...maybe the doc is just a four pen kinda guy and lost two of them. :(

That's a great theory. Too bad the calendar was in Minkowski's communications room one deck above the sick bay. :(

And as for looking for the Island/815 since October, what makes you come to that conclusion? The calendar has been marked since October 1st, but who's to say that they weren't doing other things before being hired to go to the Island? They said their last port was in Fiji, maybe that was when they got sent to the Island. It could have been a week before. Just because the Calendar goes back to October doesn't mean they have been looking for the Island since then, unless you are suggesting they buy a new Calendar every time they get a new charter.

You know, the more I think about it, I believe there is some tidbit of information hidden in that calendar. Not necessarily any huge revelation or anything that is going to be needed to understand the overall plot, but some sort of easter egg for us to find. I simply say that because TPTB know how we love to nitpick little shots of calendars, dates on documents and clocks. It's almost hard to believe they'd give us such a clear shot of it if there wasn't something in there for us to connect to something else.

Didn't the plane crash in October? What was the date of the crash?


9-22-04

you must have been in a cave this whole season



I think the importance of the calendar is just to give a timeline, to answer the question of what year/date it actually is. We have been speculating and theorizing this for a while now, and it is just confirmation

You know, the more I think about it, I believe there is some tidbit of information hidden in that calendar. Not necessarily any huge revelation or anything that is going to be needed to understand the overall plot, but some sort of easter egg for us to find. I simply say that because TPTB know how we love to nitpick little shots of calendars, dates on documents and clocks. It's almost hard to believe they'd give us such a clear shot of it if there wasn't something in there for us to connect to something else.

I totally agree with this. It was too clear of a shot, they lingered just a little bit too long on the calender for it to not mean anything.

When did the swan explode? Does that correlate to any colors on the calendar?


EDIT

It exploded on November 27, and lookie lookie, there's a big red X

I totally agree with this. It was too clear of a shot, they lingered just a little bit too long on the calender for it to not mean anything.

There might be something to the color of the X's on the calendar, I don't know. All I know is for years we have watched this show and wondered what time is it off of the island. Knowing that would debunk and create a bunch of theories. Tonight we got that answered by a clear shot of a calendar on a wall and your reaction is that it was TOO clear. LOL. If it wasn't clear enough, everyone would be going crazy. Like if the year was not in frame.
December 200? Wow, it has to be too clear because not everyone searches for screencaps after the episode. The casual fan needed to know it's the same day on and off the island.

That being said, I hope there is something to the color of the X's :)

I agree that the different colors are meant for something. As another poster said, maybe not a huge something, but an easter egg.

I am amazed at the people on this thread that are just discounting the calendar.

Yes, it's probably not a HUGE clue but after watching for 4 years, you would think that viewers would realize that ALMOST everything that the camera locks on id USUALLY a clue.

Once I get some time reading thru some different threads, I'm going to check out the calendar and see if there are other notable dates marked off (i.e. the date the hatch blew) that have significance to the happenings on the island.

And I will apologize for all of the smart***es that shot down your thread...

I don't have HD, but when I saw the screen cap one thing came to mind. The red is for "red Doppler shift" and the blue is for "blue Doppler shift". I don't know what that would make the yellow. Perhaps the days time stood still ?

Not to take this thread into a different direction, but the calendar image made me chuckle. What are the chances the picture is of a tropical island?

And why the 3 month posting? When was the last time you saw a calendar that had increments of months 3 at a time?

If the calendar was only meant to show that it was dec 24 2004, then they would only need to show dec not all three months and need various colors. it has got to mean something even if its only an easter egg.

Things to look for other than the hatch?

When Friendly grabbed Walt?
When Ben snagged Jack kate & Sawyer?

Other island events....

I think the importance of the calendar is just to give a timeline, to answer the question of what year/date it actually is. We have been speculating and theorizing this for a while now, and it is just confirmation
I absolutely agree. Plot device.

1) Desmond looked at it and only then realized it was 2004.
2) It was the impetus to determing that it was Christmas Eve which was then used by Desmond to tell Penny that's when he'd call.

When did the swan explode? Does that correlate to any colors on the calendar?


EDIT

It exploded on November 27, and lookie lookie, there's a big red X
But isn't the whole Island-time vs. real-time found to be askew now? Therefore, it is possible that it wasn't Nov 27 in real-time. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the theory that the time alteration only began when the station blew.

Anyway, the main question is: Where's Halloween? October has 31 days, not 30. [Link again for review (http://bp2.blogger.com/_pG1kU-zfuxM/R8eBSgnj8kI/AAAAAAAAAH0/OOzacgn4Zms/s1600-h/screen-capture-11.jpg)] I can only assume that this is a prop-error. If so, this puts doubt on the relevance of the calendar in regards to clues. Surely, if it was to be used in that way they would have got that right.

Anyway, the main question is: Where's Halloween? October has 31 days, not 30. [Link again for review (http://bp2.blogger.com/_pG1kU-zfuxM/R8eBSgnj8kI/AAAAAAAAAH0/OOzacgn4Zms/s1600-h/screen-capture-11.jpg)] I can only assume that this is a prop-error. If so, this puts doubt on the relevance of the calendar in regards to clues. Surely, if it was to be used in that way they would have got that right.

Look again - Two X's at the bottom left of the last week of October to signify the 24th and 31st... And a blank of the first Sunday of November (b/c its from previous month...)

There are blanks where the last week of a month and the first week of a month cross.

It absolutely means something with the different colors - if only an easter egg for die hard fans. What would have been October 20th-23rd??

Things to look for other than the hatch?

When Friendly grabbed Walt?
When Ben snagged Jack kate & Sawyer?

Other island events....

I'm thinking that some of the marks have to do with the timeline of the freighties...

Dates the crew was collected and sent out?
The appearance of Ben's man on the ship (whether or not they knew it)?
Times Penny called and/or contacted the ship?
Minkowski trying to keep track of events specific to his mental changes?

Dates not in black:
Yellow
October 20-23
Red
November 4-5, 11, 21, 27, 29-30
December 6-7, 10, 14-15, 18, and 20

I am amazed at the people on this thread that are just discounting the calendar.

Yes, it's probably not a HUGE clue but after watching for 4 years, you would think that viewers would realize that ALMOST everything that the camera locks on id USUALLY a clue.

Once I get some time reading thru some different threads, I'm going to check out the calendar and see if there are other notable dates marked off (i.e. the date the hatch blew) that have significance to the happenings on the island.

And I will apologize for all of the smart***es that shot down your thread...

I agree! There are a bazillion threads about how someone thought they might have seen something that maybe could have sort of happened, but THIS is not important. :confused:

The first thing we did last night was go back and look at the calendar. We noticed the yellow days immediately. Minkowski said that they got bored - so how long were they there? Were they out there the day the hatch imploded? Did that have anything to do with the yellow days? I don't know the timeline, and I could totally be off here. But I would rather spend a little time investigating this instead of trying to figure out if someone's uncle's brother's fiance's cousin's dog's therapist is in the coffin.

Look again - Two X's at the bottom left of the last week of October to signify the 24th and 31st... And a blank of the first Sunday of November (b/c its from previous month...)

There are blanks where the last week of a month and the first week of a month cross.
Oops, my bad! Never seen that style of calendar dating here. Is it one of those "only-in-america" things? :biggrin: The calendars I'm used to (UK, Australia, etc.) go back up to the top of the month, i.e. the Sunday in the top-left would actually be dated the 31st. This allows you to have just as much room to write in, as opposed to half for two days.

I understand the blanks in the ensuing month's, as it's the same deal.

Thanks for picking me up on that. I should have noticed it either way. :redface:

Dates not in black:
Yellow
October 20-23
Red
November 4-5, 11, 21, 27, 29-30
December 6-7, 10, 14-15, 18, and 20

I'm looking up any big events here:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline

I don't see anything huge listed in the timeline for the October dates.

Nov. 5 - They blow up the hatch to the Swan station. The computer is damaged, and Desmond runs away.

Nov 21st is when Locke sees the blast door map. Kate and Sawyer also find a DHARMA drop.

Nov 27th is when the Swan blows up

Nov 30th - Desmond foresees Charlie getting hit by lightning and prevents it

Dec 10th - Claire sends a message out on a bird (Par Avion)

I too am hoping the calendar's color's are of some importance, other than marker availability. But who knows?

Although the calendar is probably just a background prop, when I immerse myself into this world (which I do often), I ask, "Why does this ship even need a calendar?". In other words, are they keeping track of current time or island time? Could the date on the island be different than on the ship (by years?)?

ahhh, I'm reaching.

I am amazed at the people on this thread that are just discounting the calendar.

Yes, it's probably not a HUGE clue but after watching for 4 years, you would think that viewers would realize that ALMOST everything that the camera locks on id USUALLY a clue.

Once I get some time reading thru some different threads, I'm going to check out the calendar and see if there are other notable dates marked off (i.e. the date the hatch blew) that have significance to the happenings on the island.

And I will apologize for all of the smart***es that shot down your thread...

Thanks Lenny
100%
That's a great theory. Too bad the calendar was in Minkowski's communications room one deck above the sick bay. :(

And as for looking for the Island/815 since October, what makes you come to that conclusion? The calendar has been marked since October 1st, but who's to say that they weren't doing other things before being hired to go to the Island? They said their last port was in Fiji, maybe that was when they got sent to the Island. It could have been a week before. Just because the Calendar goes back to October doesn't mean they have been looking for the Island since then, unless you are suggesting they buy a new Calendar every time they get a new charter.

On the other hand, what makes us think that the freighter wasn't there BEFORE the crash of 815? If the freighter were the work of Widmore, and he has known since 1996 that a series of events would culminate in an opportunity to find the island - why wouldn't the freighter be there early to monitor events?

At the minimum, I think the calendar tells us with its series of red, black Xs, that this mission began at least as far back as Oct 1, and maybe much earlier.

I am not discounting the calender as being important, but I think it was just important for us, the viewers, and for Desmond, and the realization that it is actually 2004 and not 1996.

the color coded X's could mean something, but if it were to represent something big, why wouldn't they just write that event down on the date???

i.e. Nov 5th -- Hatch Blown open
Nov 27th -- Number not entered and hatch exploded

just a thought

When did Season one end... was it Day 43 or was it one month after they landed (I forget). I ask because I was curious as to when Claire was kidnapped in the first season. Maybe the yellow days correspond to that.

Also, the calendar is in the radio room, because people receiving transmissions (especially on a boat) keep some logs and need to have timelines of when things will happen (other boats arriving with supplies, days received a certain communication, etc.) Since the Island seems to have some sort of electro-magnetic field surronding it (or pulsing from it), it might have something to do with anomalies in radio frequencies found on those days (Radio waves are often represented by red in a electromagnetic spectrum chart). They are often the longest waves. Coincidently, their wave size (from zenith to bottom) is often compared the size of human beings. Science lesson over.

Coincidentally, Daniel has to plug a number to make the rat move forward in time (11MHrz). That's within the range of where radio waves oscilliate.

Like everyone keeps saying, the days are for the diehard fans as an easter egg to correlate with major events on the island.

I'm thinking that some of the marks have to do with the timeline of the freighties...

Times Penny called and/or contacted the ship?
Minkowski trying to keep track of events specific to his mental changes?

These two are my guesses.

Yeah, and well I thought it was important that Naomi and Elsa appeared to have matching bracelets in The Economist until Darlton said "Sometimes a bracelet is just a bracelet."

I got this information from Sledewebs LOST timeline.

29D OI
10/20/2004Scott is killed by Ethan [1x15] Charlie shoots and kills Ethan [1x15] Claire tells Charlie she remembers peanut butter [1x15]


30D OI
10/21/2004Sawyer's tent is raided by a boar in the early morning [1x16] Sawyer hears whispers in the jungle [1x16] Kate returns gun to Jack [1x16] Charlie and Hurley bury Ethan [1x16] Kate and Sawyer play a game while camping out at night on their boar-hunt [1x16]


31D OI
10/22/2004Locke tells Kate and Sawyer the story about his foster mom, sister and the dog [1x16] Sawyer has his encounter with the boar [1x16] Sawyer returns his gun to Jack [1x16]


32D OI
10/23/2004Walt sets the raft on fire [1x17]

I'm thinking that some of the marks have to do with the timeline of the freighties...

Dates the crew was collected and sent out?
The appearance of Ben's man on the ship (whether or not they knew it)?
Times Penny called and/or contacted the ship?
Minkowski trying to keep track of events specific to his mental changes?

The more I think about it, this makes sense that the calendar would be related to things that happened ON the freighter. Now, some things could have been both on island and on boat. Like the hatch blowing could have caused a blip similar to what we saw in the Arctic listening station...when Ben's guy (Michael...I think) gets to the boat...etc.

When Minkowski and Brandon(?) left the boat for the island...when Brandon and Minkowski got sick might be another.

It would be helpful to know when Brandon(?) died...that could be another.

Most of all, I'm just praying that it does have some significance just to shut-up all of the nay-sayers!:biggrin: :biggrin:

I was thiking more "supernatural" events. Breaks in the "field"...
Definitely the hatch implosion/explosion on Nov 27th.
Maybe there are other anomolies?

Maybe that's how Naomi tracked her fertile days.


**snort** **chortle**

Perhaps it's a clue to the location of the island. When would they have passed through the International Date Line (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/International_Date_Line.png)?

Sometimes a calendar is just a calendar. I love this show and I love the Fuselage. They give us a concrete date and we are arguing the X's on the thing. I love the thought of most fans who casually watch say..."oh, it's Dec. 24th 2004." Then we spend a week debating the color on certain days and what happened if anything on those days. Amazing.

I have never had a calendar that was only crossed off with one color marker. You leave a marker somewhere else and grab the closest one when you think to mark it again. I would think it to be strange if it were only black X's unless one marker was attatched to the calendar by a string or something. :)

I can't wait to discuss what the buttons represent on Jacob's shirt after we meet him for the first time!!!

October 20,2004
The Boston Red Sox top the Yankees in the 2004 ALCS, and win the series after being down 3-0, winning four straight games. The Red Sox continue on to face the St. Louis Cardinals in the World Series.

lol
Everything is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2004

Actually...I think there is some importance to the calendar. First, it's interesting to note that the ship was dispatched all throughout October 2004. It could have been dispatched in September, right after the crash of 815. As for the coloring, there has to be some kind of reasoning behind it. The calender is in sick bay, so it could be the doctor coding illnesses, treatments, or something else entirely. But if you look at the coloring, in October there are mostly black, a string of continuous blue, and 4 yellows, and no red.

The following month, there's no yellows, less blues, and reds. If they left out of port on October 1st, and it took them a month to get to their search area, it would make sense that everyone would be healthy, there's nothing too significant going on. But once they get to an area with many strange anomalies, the red starts on the rise. 7 in November, and 7 in December, with a week and change still to go. They could have gotten away with using black if they were only trying to use the calender to mark the passage of the days.

Then again, you could be right...maybe the doc is just a four pen kinda guy and lost two of them. :(

Actually the calendar was in the Communications room, not the Infirmary. Don't know if that changes the speculation, but I do think it's a minor Easter Egg, and hopefully we'll find out what it means. Or it could just be a shout out to how long they've been there since it was shown right after Minkowski said that they were getting bored waiting for Orders, and Minkowski did say he was the Communications Officer, so he could have just been crossing off days. I wonder what color the days him and Brandon(?) were going to the Island are?

Yeah, and well I thought it was important that Naomi and Elsa appeared to have matching bracelets in The Economist until Darlton said "Sometimes a bracelet is just a bracelet."


Until Darlton pronounces that a calendar is just a calendar, it has to at least be considered a meaningful clue.

I have never had a calendar that was only crossed off with one color marker. You leave a marker somewhere else and grab the closest one when you think to mark it again. I would think it to be strange if it were only black X's unless one marker was attatched to the calendar by a string or something. :)

I agree - in my own real world use. But do you really thing the prop guy said "hmm... let me mark off in three different colors cause that's what calendars usually look like..."

While I place no long-term significance on those dates or the colors of the mark-offs, it is a fun little potential easter egg for people to play with. And isn't that the fun of all the mysteries and easter eggs?

I can't wait to discuss what the buttons represent on Jacob's shirt after we meet him for the first time!!!

No need to be sarcastic. If you don't like the thread - don't participate.

Yeah, it means they couldn't find the black pen on the red days and the red pen on black days.

Reading a little too much into the show, aren't we?


Details aren't to be taken lightly in this show. If a calendar has different days marked in different colors, it is not random....

the calendar was in Minkowski's communications room one deck above the sick bay. :(


It was. And if Lostpedia's to be believed, the radio room was wrecked on December 22.

Doesn't make sense that someone would go back in and neatly X-off the 23rd and 24th.

And - again according to Lostpedia, Dec. 22 on the ship was Dec. 24 on the island (not necessarily literally so, I know, but obviously Lostpedia's as confused as everyone else.)
Since the calendar's literally "on an island" (background pic), could that be a hint that the calendar represents island days, not freighter days?? That would mean Minkowski's last day in the comm room was Dec 24th, island time.
Just a thought.
Lostpedia's not the end-all and be-all of accurate time counts, but that calendar doesn't fit what we know, even if you exclude the colored X's - and I don't think for a moment the colored X's are meaningless..

I haven't read this entire thread, but honestly I think this is looking a bit much into things.

The best way to make something look like it was entered on different days is to use different pens for the different days. I hadn't kept up with my work log a few years ago, and had to enter in my hours before handing it into my supervisor...I just grabbed a few different pens to enter in the information so it didn't look like I did it all at once. I just figure that the prop guys used the same trick on the calendar.

I haven't read this entire thread, but honestly I think this is looking a bit much into things.

The best way to make something look like it was entered on different days is to use different pens for the different days. I hadn't kept up with my work log a few years ago, and had to enter in my hours before handing it into my supervisor...I just grabbed a few different pens to enter in the information so it didn't look like I did it all at once. I just figure that the prop guys used the same trick on the calendar.

I think perhaps you proved the opposite point.

If the prop guys were told to produce a calendar to show that all of the days were marked off until Dec 24 when Des makes the call, wouldn't it simply be easier to grab one calendar and one pen and mark off all the days in one color?

But that wasn't done. They chose a harder route. They grabbed one calendar and three pens and marked off days in three different colors.

I would submit that the 3 colors have some meaning beyond that of a prop guy who decided to fill them as random entries with 3 colors.