I thought there was a painting of Francis Drake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Drake) in the background
when Desmond was at the auction.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1390-294.html

I didn't see anything on this. Just wondering.....it's stuck in my head :confused:

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1390-294.html

I didn't see anything on this. Just wondering.....it's stuck in my head :confused:

Good question. I am fairly sure this painting has some relevance. My educated guess is that this is Sir Francis Drake, explorer, Privateer, and Courtier to Queen Elizabeth I. Here are some other likenesses of Drake to compare side-by-side - see what you think:

Drake is on display as a wax dummy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44124324682@N01/149498593/) in Madame Tussaud's gallery.
A portrait (http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Drake,Francis(Sir)03.jpg)of Drake done in oil on canvas.
Another portrait (http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Drake,Francis(Sir)02.jpg) of Drake.
Yet another portrait (http://www.mgar.net/images4/drake.jpg) of Drake.
A woodcut engraving (http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/1700/1722/drake_5_lg.gif) of Drake.
A picture (http://www.oldmapsbooks.com/WebPictures/2005/january/jan20/30DecDrake2.jpg) of Drake from an old map.

So anyway, I for one see a strong resemblance. Notice the round circles beneath his eyes, which appear almost sunken. He has a very strong hairline, and his nose is longish, it almost seems to want to droop over his moustache. These features are all similar for each of these examples and the painting seen in the episode.

It looks a little like explorer Sir Francis Drake.

I was thinking Sir Walter Raleigh, but Drake could be right.

I would also agree that it was Drake. That portrait would have been expensive and it would have fit in with the theme of the auction.

I was thinking Sir Walter Raleigh, but Drake could be right.

Here's a portrait of Raleigh (http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Raleigh,Walter(Sir)01.jpg). I think personally that Raleigh looks much different than the painting in the auction house.

Here's a portrait of Raleigh (http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Raleigh,Walter(Sir)01.jpg). I think personally that Raleigh looks much different than the painting in the auction house.

I agree, Drake seems a better option.

Good question. I am fairly sure this painting has some relevance. My educated guess is that this is Sir Francis Drake, explorer, Privateer, and Courtier to Queen Elizabeth I. Here are some other likenesses of Drake to compare side-by-side - see what you think:

Drake is on display as a wax dummy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/44124324682@N01/149498593/) in Madame Tussaud's gallery.
A portrait (http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Drake,Francis(Sir)03.jpg)of Drake done in oil on canvas.
Another portrait (http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Drake,Francis(Sir)02.jpg) of Drake.
Yet another portrait (http://www.mgar.net/images4/drake.jpg) of Drake.
A woodcut engraving (http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/1700/1722/drake_5_lg.gif) of Drake.
A picture (http://www.oldmapsbooks.com/WebPictures/2005/january/jan20/30DecDrake2.jpg) of Drake from an old map.

So anyway, I for one see a strong resemblance. Notice the round circles beneath his eyes, which appear almost sunken. He has a very strong hairline, and his nose is longish, it almost seems to want to droop over his moustache. These features are all similar for each of these examples and the painting seen in the episode.

Thanks I believe you're right :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Drake

Doesn't "Drakes" make "Ho Ho's"?

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behind Des & Widmore
There has been & it's been accepted that the guy in the portrait behind Desmond & Widmore is Frances Drake.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1390-294.html

I don't think it is. I think it's this dude

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_machine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Descartes

And it makes a lot more sense than Drake considering his beliefs in Mind-Body Dualism

The ghost in the machine is British philosopher Gilbert Ryle's derogatory description for René Descartes' mind-body dualism. The phrase was introduced in Ryle's book The Concept of Mind, written in 1949, to highlight the perceived absurdity of dualist systems like Descartes' where mental activity carries on in parallel to physical action, but where their means of interaction are unknown or, at best, speculative. And considering I don't buy into the time travel theory the philosopher Descartes is more believable.

"Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
What did you dream? its alright we told you what to dream." from Pink Floyd's Welcome To The Machine & a direct quote Clarence to George in "It's A Wonderful Life"

If you are correct with your assumption then that is an IMMENSE spot my friend.

And it would make more sense then it being Sir Francis Drake.:eek2::eek2:

If you are correct with your assumption then that is an IMMENSE spot my friend.

And it would make more sense then it being Sir Francis Drake.:eek2::eek2:

In the philosophy of mind, dualism is the theory that the mental and the physical — or mind and body or mind and brain — are, in some sense, radically different things. Because common sense tells us that there are both physical entities. Discussion about dualism, therefore, tends to start from the assumption of the reality of the physical world, and then consider why the mind cannot be treated as simply part of the physical world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism_(philosophy_of_mind)

Descartes also created analytic geometry. And are you ready for this?
Descartes also made contributions to the field of optics. He showed by using geometric construction and the law of refraction (also known as Descartes' law) that the angular radius of a rainbow is 42 degrees. Numbers, 42 degrees, eyes/optics WOW

Rene Descartes sure does look alot more like the picture than Frances Drake,

I too think you have hit something big here!!!

It's definitely Francs Drake. The outfit is 100% that of an English courtier and/or member of the aristocracy. The Descartes references are intertesting, but the subject of the painting is dressed entirely wrong for Descartes.

I think the Drake painting is merely supposed to tell us that the auction is happening in England. Further, there's an obvious sailing link between Drake and the painting that Widmore is buying.

behind Des & Widmore
There has been & it's been accepted that the guy in the portrait behind Desmond & Widmore is Frances Drake.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1390-294.html

I don't think it is. I think it's this dude

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_machine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Descartes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Descartes)

And it makes a lot more sense than Drake considering his beliefs in Mind-Body Dualism

The ghost in the machine is British philosopher Gilbert Ryle's derogatory description for René Descartes' mind-body dualism. The phrase was introduced in Ryle's book The Concept of Mind, written in 1949, to highlight the perceived absurdity of dualist systems like Descartes' where mental activity carries on in parallel to physical action, but where their means of interaction are unknown or, at best, speculative. And considering I don't buy into the time travel theory the philosopher Descartes is more believable.

"Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.
What did you dream? its alright we told you what to dream." from Pink Floyd's Welcome To The Machine & a direct quote Clarence to George in "It's A Wonderful Life"

I don't see any resemblance to Descarte in the photo. Drake on the other hand, the hairline matches every other painting a could find. As do the form (although the length varies) of his goatee. Also, the billowing collar worn in the painting is something that most paintings of Drake has him in and wouldn't make a lot of sense for Descarte.

It's definitely Francs Drake. The outfit is 100% that of an English courtier and/or member of the aristocracy. The Descartes references are intertesting, but the subject of the painting is dressed entirely wrong for Descartes.

I think the Drake painting is merely supposed to tell us that the auction is happening in England. Further, there's an obvious sailing link between Drake and the painting that Widmore is buying.

Drake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1590_or_later_Marcus_Gheeraerts%2C_Sir_Franc is_Drake_Buckland_Abbey%2C_Devon.jpg
Descartes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Frans_Hals_-_Portret_van_René_Descartes.jpg

I'd like to believe there's more to it than simply letting us know Des was in England, but you're right about the sailing although I would still like to believe there's more to it especially considering all the "time travel" in the episode. I do like Descartes' beliefs in Mind-Body Dualism & the numbers reference. ;) The Mind-Body dualism theory is somehow more believable than Time Travel.

Drake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1590_or_later_Marcus_Gheeraerts%2C_Sir_Franc is_Drake_Buckland_Abbey%2C_Devon.jpg
Descartes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Frans_Hals_-_Portret_van_René_Descartes.jpg

I'd like to believe there's more to it than simply letting us know Des was in England, but you're right about the sailing although I would still like to believe there's more to it especially considering all the "time travel" in the episode. I do like Descartes' beliefs in Mind-Body Dualism & the numbers reference. ;) The Mind-Body dualism theory is somehow more believable than Time Travel.

I'm grateful, but those Wikipedia pictures pretty much confirm what I was saying, and the clothing in the painting of Drake in the auction room is not something you'll see Descartes wearing. It's a very English courtier style of dress.

The Descartes point remains an interesting one though, as I said, particularly given that Descartes' rationalism was directly opposed to Hume's empiricism.

Here's a portrait of Raleigh (http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Raleigh,Walter(Sir)01.jpg). I think personally that Raleigh looks much different than the painting in the auction house.

Well, yes, I said that AFTER checking out some pictures of Raleigh, which is why I said it could be Drake. I also found more variety in the appearance of Raleigh in different portraits, though, and some that looked very similar to Drake. It most likely had to do with styles of the time, as they were contemporaries.

I'd say it was Francis Drake but we can't be sure until someone actually recognizes the painting. But, in my opinion, Drake is close enough.

Well, yes, I said that AFTER checking out some pictures of Raleigh, which is why I said it could be Drake. I also found more variety in the appearance of Raleigh in different portraits, though, and some that looked very similar to Drake. It most likely had to do with styles of the time, as they were contemporaries.

Sorry, BayLady, I missed that. :redface:

Doesn't "Drakes" make "Ho Ho's"?

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I think you're right.....either Drakes or HOstess ;)

It certainly fits into the ships and exploring theme, as well as the pirate theme (as he captured Spanish ships).