This puts some kind of wicked backhand on the ghostbusting Miles theory thank God. So, is Miles able to exercise some kind of will over his past consciousness? I think this could explain his communion with the boy and events in Inglewood past, but I am not sure about the on-island Naiomi connection. Any thoughts all?

It's possible that Miles isn't affected like Daniel, remember Daniel asked Des about being around radiation or strong EM fields.

He did say something like, :I'm exactly where I wanna be"...

and if you follow a strict way to get on/off the island, you won't be affected at all

Perhaps in death you are "shifted" and put out of phase with the regular world, your consciousness anyways. And he is somehow able to channel that phase shift.

Maybe this is posted already, sorry if so..new guy here

Is Jack Aaron's constant and he knows that if he sees Aaron that Aaron will remember that Claire is his real mom? He doesn't want to see her to protect Kate?

Is Miles Ben's constant - his cryptic 3.2 million was similar to Desmon'ds message to 1996 Faraday?

OOh, interesting about Jack being Aarons constant. But does he need to know him before the Island and after? Or does it count that he knew him on the Island then after? Cuz then Kate could be the constant too right?

I think you can have more than one constant - which I think was aluded to by Faraday looking in his book to see that he previously wrote that Desmond is his constant. this could lead to one wicked circle of constants with the losties, which is why we see them in the flashbacks from time to time. :

Claire is to Charlie
Charlie is to Hurley (Oceanic 6)
Hurley is to Jack (Oceanic 6)
Jack is to Kate (Oceanic 6)
Kate is to Sawyer
Sawyer is to Locke
Locke is to Walt
Walt is to Michael
Michael is to Sun
Sun is to Jin

I would think that Desmond and Charlie would be constants and possibly Claire to Jack as well; or Jack to Rose and then Rose to Benard. this kind of leaves out Sayid (is he really one of the Oceanic 6) - but he could have been a constant with Shannon and then Shannon was the constant for Boone.

my question is what happens if your constant dies - do you die?

Boone - died because his constant betrayed him (Locke?)
Shannon - died because her constant died (Boone)
Eko - died because his constant died (Yemi)
AnaLucia - died because her constant died (Jack's Dad)
Libby - was she really there or just a head case from Hurley
Nikki/Paulo - don't care and doubt they fit into the story arc
Doc Arzt - eh

My guess is also that because Charlie died , Claire will eventually die and during that scene she will give the child to Kate.

Ah, didn't factor in that Kate would be able to be the constant also...silly me.

But, i still think that Miles has something to do with being Ben's constant...taht 3.2 was far to specific and similar to the 2.342 message

so what if Ben is able to freely go through time - that means that while he is locked up he doesn't really care because he is spending his free time getting money for miles

I wonder if Jack is Claire's constant and she goes to him sometime in the past to help her and he cant (possibly because he is two character's constant and had to choose who to help {Kate?}) - that is why he cannot see Aaron - he is guilty for not saving Claire?

pure speculation.....assuming that Claire has to have a constant. Not everyone does....

what makes everyone think that all of the 815 survivors have to have or need 'constants???'

I think Desmond and Faraday are the only two that need a constant because they have been exposed to EM, and alot of it.

The notion that Jack and Claire and Charlie and Hurley, etc are all each others constant is just not evident. They are not experiencing any flashes nor can trhey predict the future like Desmond could. Sayid doesn't show signs or symptons of any flashes, nor does Frank, Miles or Charlotte. Faraday doesnt even show symptons yet.

I just think everyone is blowing this 'flash before eyes' theory and it being relevant to ALL of the survivors is pushing it.

The island enabled Locke to walk again, Rose to not have cancer, but it did not heal KATE and SAWYERS ability to con people, and so on...

This episode, and the thought of having 'the constant' was meant for Desmond and faraday, and that is it

I'm not sure about that but this post did make me think of something....What if the reason Jack starts freaking out about going back is that he finds out Claire is his sister? Maybe Claire's aunt tracks Jack down to find out if he knows what happened to her and her baby? I don't know if she knew about the pregnancy or Claire being on the flight but it's possible and she would therefore know about the crash and be trying to find out details from Jack. It might also explain Kate's hostility toward jack at the end of Season 3 flash forward... if she has found out Jack is Aaron's uncle she may be afraid of losing him???

You're also assuming that this phenomenon is going to happen to more people, and I'm not convinced it is. It happened to Desmond because of the failsafe, the rat because of Daniel's experiments, we don't know enough about Minkowski, and it may happen to Daniel because he was conducting the experiments.

On another note, Claire only knows that Christian had another family, not who it was, and Jack might not even suspect anything of that sort. I've never heard him mention his father being unfaithful to his mother.

what makes everyone think that all of the 815 survivors have to have or need 'constants???'

I think Desmond and Faraday are the only two that need a constant because they have been exposed to EM, and alot of it.

The notion that Jack and Claire and Charlie and Hurley, etc are all each others constant is just not evident. They are not experiencing any flashes nor can trhey predict the future like Desmond could. Sayid doesn't show signs or symptons of any flashes, nor does Frank, Miles or Charlotte. Faraday doesnt even show symptons yet.

I just think everyone is blowing this 'flash before eyes' theory and it being relevant to ALL of the survivors is pushing it.

The island enabled Locke to walk again, Rose to not have cancer, but it did not heal KATE and SAWYERS ability to con people, and so on...

This episode, and the thought of having 'the constant' was meant for Desmond and faraday, and that is it


Read my post dude - its says pure speculation....if Claire needs one....Technically though EVERYONE on the island has been exposed to a concentrated blast of electro-magnetism when the hatch blew up....Locke, Desmond and hurley mostly but the beach is not far and I am sure they were all effected...

Why did you even post - just to try to try to prove me wrong? ***mod edit
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You're also assuming that this phenomenon is going to happen to more people, and I'm not convinced it is. It happened to Desmond because of the failsafe, the rat because of Daniel's experiments, we don't know enough about Minkowski, and it may happen to Daniel because he was conducting the experiments.

On another note, Claire only knows that Christian had another family, not who it was, and Jack might not even suspect anything of that sort. I've never heard him mention his father being unfaithful to his mother.


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what makes everyone think that all of the 815 survivors have to have or need 'constants???'

I think Desmond and Faraday are the only two that need a constant because they have been exposed to EM, and alot of it.


Indeed - just because we discovered something new does not mean everything in the show is now tied to people having 'constants' and this is the big secret of everything.


I would say however that there's more to the flashbacks/flashforwards than a simple narrative device for the benefit of us viewers. I've always suspected that the flashbacks are a result of something weird about the island.

Read my post dude - its says pure speculation....if Claire needs one....Technically though EVERYONE on the island has been exposed to a concentrated blast of electro-magnetism when the hatch blew up....Locke, Desmond and hurley mostly but the beach is not far and I am sure they were all effected...

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WOW!!!

I did read your post and understood the speculation. But in order to speculate something, one has believe in the tiniest bit that what they are speculating is true.

What I stated is that there is no evidence of 'flashes' by any other survivor.

Maybe you should go back and watch the episode, because faraday states that these 'flashes' are a result of a signifigant amount of EM radiation. Desmond went through the 'portal' (if you will) THREE times (once to get to the island, once trying to leave and now on the copter), plus he failed to push the button THREE times which caused EM energy to occur.

None of our survivors has had that amount of exposure...which is why the side effects or 'flashes' Faraday speaks of are only happening to Desmond.

That blows large holes in your speculation or theory.

And if you dont like people like me on this board, well, then you will have to deal with that the best way you can...but no reason to be 'angry'

Boone's blue eyes: People are permitted to disagree with your posts and theories. In fact, switzer and Goldfoot's posts are good examples of how to disagree without making anything personal. Yours, not so much. Argue the points without attacking the posters, please.

Why does everybody suddenly need a constant? Frank and Sayid both seem to be perfectly fine.

these flashbacks for everyone didn't start until they were on the island - we have seen in the flashbacks that people have crossed eachothers stories, but never knew why other than it just being random. well what if it wasn't random and they are the constant. as for why they have to have a constant - well being on the island has exposed them to a lot of radiation and electromagentic energy. not as much as Desmond when he turned the key, but a lot none the less.

My guess is also that because Charlie died , Claire will eventually die and during that scene she will give the child to Kate.
Did you read this spoiler, or is it just a guess?

Why does everybody suddenly need a constant? Frank and Sayid both seem to be perfectly fine.

Yep, the continual 'Constant' talk is just getting tired now. :drowsy:

From what I can tell, it was thought up primarily as a Des/Penny plot device for this episode. I don't think it's supposed to be intergral to everyone on the Island.

We've only seen 2 people clearly affected, plus Faraday a probable and the other guy on the freighter who was never on-camera so no need for a 'Constant' for anyone else. And as Faraday tells to Des, the Constant has to be something that has deep meaning to you in order to be effective (it lets you anchor your mental state in both timeframes and stop your mind overloading). You have to know that you are travelling in time and know to 'connect' with the Constant, which has to be something important to you. Most of the Losties aren't even aware of the connections in their past between each other.

When des goes back to 1996, then in 2004 he is just standing there gormlessly. That doesn't happen to the other losties. And no other losties have been having nose bleeds. I see no reason to think anyone else is going back and forward in time.

When des goes back to 1996, then in 2004 he is just standing there gormlessly. That doesn't happen to the other losties. And no other losties have been having nose bleeds. I see no reason to think anyone else is going back and forward in time.
Agreed. I don't think anyone can do what Desmond does...with the possible exception of Walt.

Boone - died because his constant betrayed him (Locke?)
Shannon - died because her constant died (Boone)
Eko - died because his constant died (Yemi)
AnaLucia - died because her constant died (Jack's Dad)
Libby - was she really there or just a head case from Hurley
Nikki/Paulo - don't care and doubt they fit into the story arc
Doc Arzt - eh

Boone was CRUSHED BY A PLANE. Shannon, Ana Lucia and Libby WERE SHOT. Nikki and Paulo were BURIED ALIVE. Arzt BLEW HIMSELF UP WITH DYNAMITE.

None of them died from a BLOODY NOSE ANEURISM, ***Mod edited***... Did you see what happened to Minkowski? His brain simply couldn't take it anymore. He wasn't eaten alive by a polar bear or got a harpoon through his chest. He simply DIED FROM AN ANEURISM.

Yeah, and Gary Troup died because he lost his "Bad Twin" script, eh?

Dude. Boone was CRUSHED BY A PLANE. Shannon, Ana Lucia and Libby WERE SHOT. Nikki and Paulo were BURIED ALIVE. Arzt BLEW HIMSELF UP WITH DYNAMITE.

None of them died from a BLOODY NOSE ANEURISM, for Jesus H. Christ's sake... Did you see what happened to Minkowski? His brain simply couldn't take it anymore. He wasn't eaten alive by a polar bear or got a harpoon through his chest. He simply DIED FROM AN ANEURISM.

Your trees aren't just epileptic anymore, they're hyperactive autistic trees with Parkinson and Alzheimer's all in one.


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Do I detect a kindred spirit who's just a little bit fed up of how suddenly everything on the show has to be something to do with the concept of a Constant?

ok it can be funny...i don't think they all need a constant...but if if they have been exposed to a lot of radiations during their life they will need one...so here's what i think about the constants:
-Kate...her toyplane is her constant...it's important for her and she had it before the island...she has to quit the island with the toy and it will be alright for her! maybe her mother can work too.
-Jack...either his ex wife or Desmond.
-Juliet...her sister
-Hurley...his dad's car (the red one we saw in The beginning of the end and in his previous fb)
-Ben... the doll Annie gave him...but i'm not sure because it was on island!
-Sawyer...his letter or why not his daughter Clementine
-Claire...possibly Aaron...she was already pregnant before taking oceanic 815
-Rousseau...Alex
-Sayid...Nadia but he didn't need one apparently!
-Locke ... ??? Maybe Helen???
-Jin ... Sun
-Sun ... Jin
-Michael...Walt
-Walt...his dog (left on the island so it could be a problem) or Michael

these flashbacks for everyone didn't start until they were on the island - we have seen in the flashbacks that people have crossed eachothers stories, but never knew why other than it just being random. well what if it wasn't random and they are the constant. as for why they have to have a constant - well being on the island has exposed them to a lot of radiation and electromagentic energy. not as much as Desmond when he turned the key, but a lot none the less.

To be technical, the show itself didn't start until they were on the island. It's become a common idea that flashbacks are a minimal result of the island's electromagnetism, and that the simply occur as memories and are not interactive like Desmond's. The thing is, if these did occur as memories, then the people who've had flash forwards would have mentioned remembering something that hasn't happened. Sayid would have at least understood a little what was happening to Desmond, yet he was very confused.

Sure the castaways have been exposed to some electromagnetism, but if it was enough to trigger any kind of effects, surely Sayid would have exhibited some of the symptoms since he was on the same helicopter that Desmond was on. Sayid had been down in The Swan, and was a communications officer much like Minkowski. I bring up Minkowski because he experienced the split too. It's my understanding that the rest of the castaways don't need constants, nor would they know what to do with them.

Going the other way, if everyone did need constants, mere encounters in the past wouldn't be good enough. Daniel said that it had to be something you really care about. Daniel would use Desmond because Desmond represents success. I suppose Jack could use his Dad's coffin, but most of the people have nothing to relate back to the outside world with.

Agreed. I don't think anyone can do what Desmond does...with the possible exception of Walt.

Walt seems to be able to be in two places at once though. That's a very different phenomenon, but still intriguing. I think that mystery is related to the rabbits in the video for The Orchid. A little info for those who haven't seen it. It was originally shown at Comic Con last summer and is a special feature in the Season 3 DVDs. You can watch it/read all about it here (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Orchid_Orientation_film).

I think everyone's constant is going to be their hairbrush...leading to complications in a later episode.

I think everyone's constant is going to be their hairbrush...

I don't think this is going to work for Rousseau! lol :biggrin:

Going the other way, if everyone did need constants, mere encounters in the past wouldn't be good enough. Daniel said that it had to be something you really care about. Daniel would use Desmond because Desmond represents success. I suppose Jack could use his Dad's coffin, but most of the people have nothing to relate back to the outside world with.

Exactly. Jack's constant (if he were in a position to need one) might be Sarah. Sayid's might be Nadia (if she isn't dead). I don't believe Kate is Jack's constant, for instance. They didn't know each other until the crash. The same goes for Kate and Sawyer, or Charlie and Claire.

There is no need for a person to have a constant at all times. It's not what keeps you 'stitched into' time. It repairs the damage done by EM or radiation exposure at a high or regular dose. The characters already have a multitude of connections as a result of what we have seen in their flashbacks and flashforwards. I don't believe that those connection coincidences are linked to this idea of everyone needing a constant. The constant is more a part of the love story side of the show, rather than being integral to the central themes of the show, IMO.

I think everyone's constant is going to be their hairbrush...leading to complications in a later episode.

Well, I think Locke would be the one without a constant in that case since he's follicularily challenged (but on him it looks good)

As far as more mundane constants go, I agree that not everyone needs one but wonder if part of the reason Jack and Hurley are so messed up in the flash forward is because they've started to shift. I don't know who Hurley's constant would be, but I suspect Jack's is probably Kate. Even though he didn't know her before the crash, I think the point is did he know her before he began to experience the shifts -- which for him I'm guessing happened for the first time he saw his dad on island, jmo of course

Exactly. Jack's constant (if he were in a position to need one) might be Sarah. Sayid's might be Nadia (if she isn't dead). I don't believe Kate is Jack's constant, for instance. They didn't know each other until the crash. The same goes for Kate and Sawyer, or Charlie and Claire.

Sarah and Nadia can only be constants for those two if they were to experience a split once they are off the island. There is no way for those two to contact their respective females on the island. The thing is, the supposed "barrier" around the island is what triggers the splits. I'm guessing that Daniel's use of 2.342 @ 11hz was a way of recreating the conditions of this barrier. That being said, if Jack or Sayid were to experience a split on their way off the island, they would still have no way of contacting a constant.

The constant is more a part of the love story side of the show, rather than being integral to the central themes of the show, IMO.

Nah, cause Daniel's constant is Desmond. I mean sure, it totally help drive Desmond and Penny's story further, but I think the idea of a constant isn't limited to a device for the love stories in the show.

Sarah and Nadia can only be constants for those two if they were to experience a split once they are off the island. There is no way for those two to contact their respective females on the island. The thing is, the supposed "barrier" around the island is what triggers the splits. I'm guessing that Daniel's use of 2.342 @ 11hz was a way of recreating the conditions of this barrier. That being said, if Jack or Sayid were to experience a split on their way off the island, they would still have no way of contacting a constant.

Yes, and I was careful to stress that those two "might" be their constants. I think you're right that Jack and Sayid don't appear to have the ability to contact any off-island constant, whoever that might be, and were they needed. The tragic truth is that if the contact is impossible, then the person will die.

And yes again, the barrier causes the split because of its wavelength. However, it affects only those who have had that large or regular EM or radiation exposure. Desmond was affected on the way out having been exposed when he turned the key. Daniel may well have been affected on the way in due to his regular exposure at Oxford, and hence his contentment when he opened his journal at the end.

Nah, cause Daniel's constant is Desmond. I mean sure, it totally help drive Desmond and Penny's story further, but I think the idea of a constant isn't limited to a device for the love stories in the show.

Fair. I was really only thinking of Desmond and Penny, and didn't actually mean to imply that it applied to Kate-Jack, Sun-Jin, etc. Yes, the Daniel-Desmond thing is an obvious departure from what I'd said. Scrub that one. :)

Mods, can you please take my name off this thread? I don't agree that each character has a constant and do not want to be a part of this theory. If you are going to merge threads, please don't rename it and pass it off as my work. Thanks.

MT, I wouldn't stress. I think I get the meaning of your thread. In order to get off the island, I think it is a good idea for each of the losties to be thinking of who their constant is.

In my earlier thread, (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=90803) I mentioned that Desmond has to be someone's constant due to what Ms. Hawking said to Desmond. You recall that she said that if he "doesn't do those things", that "every single one of us is dead".

I am thinking that this episode is the key to the getting the heck off this island alive.

I'm just going to briefly say that I support the claim that not everyone needs Constants, and, honestly, guys, I have no idea why you believe they do :D

All the evidence *if we may call it that way at all* we got so far suggest that not everyone time-travels, that, even though there is a time warp around the Island, there is no reason for us to believe that every human body on the island is affected by it per se, and, of course, the fact that so MANY are not affected by going back and forth, while only a few noted individuals are...there, brief enough!

Ok here is a far out constant. How about ,, grrr,, is it Lenny? the guy in the crazy house with Hurley.. If he went to the island his constant is the numbers! He kept repeating them didnt he? :undecide: To stay sane maybe.

~~Puzzled

Hey, and maybe Hurley's constant is his red Camaro! Or his eating disorder!

And, hey, I got it! Locke's constant is his bald head! That's why he keeps shaving it!

And Desmond's constant is the word "brother", that's why he keeps saying it!

And Boone's constant was being in love with Shannon! When he got over her, the universe course-corrected him into dying!

And the smoke monster's constant is knocking down trees and killing people!

I'm the greatest Lostigator and am 99.656% close to solving this show!

Nah, cause Daniel's constant is Desmond. I mean sure, it totally help drive Desmond and Penny's story further, but I think the idea of a constant isn't limited to a device for the love stories in the show.Daniel and Desmond share a kiss in a deleted scene.

Ok here is a far out constant. How about ,, grrr,, is it Lenny? the guy in the crazy house with Hurley.. If he went to the island his constant is the numbers! He kept repeating them didnt he? :undecide: To stay sane maybe.I wonder how that was working out for him...

Now the reasoning from "The Constant" would make it seem that not everyone needs a constant unless they have been exposed to a lot of radiation or electromagnetism (maybe they all have anyway on the Island). But the fact is that everyone has something that is very important to them with them on the Island. This has been set up for some time and I'm sure it's important. Of course, there are so many crosses in the past that they could all be each other's constant, but the objects are just uncanny (or canny?) So let's list what could be a constant for everyone.

Jack - the watch his father gave him in "The Watch" mobisode. Also a reference to time, but it hasn't played a big role on the Island since S1, and even then, no big deal.

It could be his father's body, which is why he really needed to find it. It could be his tats.

Sawyer - the letter.

Kate - the plane. Which makes it almost seem like she knew she needed one and set the whole thing up.

Hurley - the numbers.

Charlie - the guitar?

Eko - the beechcraft?, his brother?

Sayid - Nadia's photograph

Danielle! - the music box - that would be wierd, but maybe it's why she did not get sick

Claire - the Baaaaybeeee

Walt - the comic?

Michael - Walt?

Sun and Jin - each other, but the watch is pretty important to Jin, and maybe a garden for Sun

Rose and Bernard - each other, but that wedding ring seemed pretty important to Rose

Locke - seems to have none

This could get wacky, but the way some of these have been hyped up from the beginning (like Kate's unexplained obsession with the plane) lean that at least some of this may be true.

Hmmmm - I'd have gone with: Charlie - Piano.

Had it since he was a kid - but would need to track it down of course.

Walt - Vincent! though might he need replacing as Walt ages...? Dogs aren't that long lived and Walt may face a lifetime of 'jumping'... unless he's on top of it of course.

Hurley - his car. We've seen him driving it.

anyone else? :smile:

Locke ~ The island

'Island' is a winner if you buy into the 'new life' philosophy. But if you trip back prior to your Island rebirth... aren't you screwed?

The Island isn't an easy thing to find.

You may gather I'm not entirely clued in to how constants work - lol - I need to read a transcript or something.

^ I have no idea about constants eithor. not seen the epi.
But maybe,
Locke ~ One of his knives?

We already have a loooong thread about this, which soon devolved into a debate among people who insist that each and everyone suddenly needs a constant and all the deceased characters somehow lost theirs, and the people who argued that there is no indication thus far that anyone other than Desmond, Minkowski, the other crew member, Eloise and possibly Daniel have been travelling through time, and therefore NEED constants.

For example, why would Charlie or Eko need constants? There's no evidence that either has ever suffered from Desmond Time Jump Syndrome, and now they're dead, it's kinda unlikely that they ever will.

Charlie- Drive Shaft Ring
Juliette- Her sister
Claire- Aaron
Locke - The wheelchair (I don't think it has to be something you love or even like)

Charlie- Drive Shaft Ring
Juliette- Her sister
Claire- Aaron
Locke - The wheelchair (I don't think it has to be something you love or even like)

When did Charlie ever time-jump? Why would he need a constant?

How can Aaron be Claire's constant when he wasn't even BORN yet before the crash?

Please, people. Your persistent urge to tie everything on this show to time-jumps and constants is causing ME a brain aneurism.

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Logical reasoning would be like this:

1) Is there any chance that the character might be time-jumping?

1a) Is there any evidence to support this theory?

1b) What could have caused the time-juming?

2) If the character is time-jumping, between what time periods might he/she be jumping?

2b) Is there any evidence to support this theory?

3) If the character is time-jumping between time periods A and B, he/she might need a constant that is present in both periods. What could it be?

For some reason, everyone keeps skipping 1) and 2) and simply jumps to 3).

I regard this as play, Nevermore - some speculative sparkle, a coming together of creatives, not an exercise in logic.

What if...? - is fun. :smile:

I regard this as play, Nevermore - some speculative sparkle, a coming together of creatives, not an exercise in logic.

What if...? - is fun. :smile:

Yeah. ***Mod edited***

When did Charlie ever time-jump? Why would he need a constant?
How can Aaron be Claire's constant when he wasn't even BORN yet before the crash?

1) Is there any chance that the character might be time-jumping?
1a) Is there any evidence to support this theory?

Well, in this situation, the first thing that comes to mind with Charlie is that he had those "visions" that everyone thought were heroin induced hallucinations. Remember they thought he was trying to drown the baby? He looked quite out of it and panicked - just like Desmond.

With Claire, she had amnesia when Locke & Boone found her. She remembered nothing about the crash or any of the survivors --- UNTIL she read her diary (which could be her actual constant, not Aaron).

Those 2 actually DO have some reference to strange actions and could be tied to similar time-jumping theories.

Well, in this situation, the first thing that comes to mind with Charlie is that he had those "visions" that everyone thought were heroin induced hallucinations. Remember they thought he was trying to drown the baby? He looked quite out of it and panicked - just like Desmond.

But he, uh, remembered where he was. He recognized everyone and knew that he was on an island an everything. Not quite what happened to Desmond.

And his visions weren't exactly flashes to previous events from his life. For example, I doubt he was ever on a beach where his mother and Claire were dressed up like angels in a painting, while a Beechcraft was crashing in the background.

With Claire, she had amnesia when Locke & Boone found her. She remembered nothing about the crash or any of the survivors --- UNTIL she read her diary (which could be her actual constant, not Aaron).

But following your logic, her amnesia means that she kept jumping back to a point immediately before the crash, as she still remembered that she was going to Los Angeles on a plane.

And initially, she only regained her memory up until the point where she was kidnapped by Ethan, and didn't recover the other part of her lost memory once she started searching for the Staff together with Danielle and Kate.

And then she only started to remember bits and pieces. No sudden "Found her constant = instant memory recovery" there.

What exactly caused her time-jumping? Danielle knocking her out?

Those 2 actually DO have some reference to strange actions and could be tied to similar time-jumping theories.

But the details were totally different in both cases.

When did Charlie ever time-jump? Why would he need a constant?

How can Aaron be Claire's constant when he wasn't even BORN yet before the crash?

Please, people. Your persistent urge to tie everything on this show to time-jumps and constants is causing ME a brain aneurism.

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Logical reasoning would be like this:

1) Is there any chance that the character might be time-jumping?

1a) Is there any evidence to support this theory?

1b) What could have caused the time-juming?

2) If the character is time-jumping, between what time periods might he/she be jumping?

2b) Is there any evidence to support this theory?

3) If the character is time-jumping between time periods A and B, he/she might need a constant that is present in both periods. What could it be?

For some reason, everyone keeps skipping 1) and 2) and simply jumps to 3).

I never said that these people were "time jumping". I thought this was a theoretical discussion on what everyone's constant was. ;)

Charlie didn't time jump, I never said any of these people did. I thought this was a theoretical discussion on what everyone's constant was

I took it as you were suggesting everyone was doin the Desmond Dance....

Maybe we all need to be more specific in our thread headers...

IF we were playing this game, remember that a constant has to be something present in BOTH TIMES and something that is REALLY CARED ABOUT STRONGLY

Jack's constant = father
kate's constant = the horse.
Sayid's constant = the black cat.
Hurley's constant = Charlie (that's why he's dead and here).
Desmond = Penny
Sun and Jin = each other
Bernard and Rose = each other

addendum.. Having a constant is only relevant if you become unstuck in space-time. So not everyone needs to have a constant.

I took it as you were suggesting everyone was doin the Desmond Dance....

Maybe we all need to be more specific in our thread headers...

IF we were playing this game, remember that a constant has to be something present in BOTH TIMES and something that is REALLY CARED ABOUT STRONGLY


You know I have been thinking. Perhaps Charlie and even Eko did suffer some effects as Desmond did from the hatch explosion. They were in fairly close proximity to the Hatch implosion which I believe caused Desmond's initial time jumping phenomenon. Remember when Charlie returned to the beach we all took it for granted that his comment to Claire saying, "They're not back yet?" about Eko, Des, and Locke.I realize that it is a stretch to say he was time travelling or what not but perhaps he went into the future and saw them back at the beach. Also, perhaps TJP (time jumping phenomena) is also what urged Eko to write the phrase "Look North (or whatever the exact phrase was). I don't think we should entirely discount others having experience TJP as I am sure that others could have been exposed to the Electromagnetic radiation that did poor Eloise in.