Could Jack have been "unstuck in time" in parts of his flash-forward scenes? The hospital scene where he says "you bring my father down here," comes to mind, and when he calls Kate he says "please, I just need to see you." (His constant?)

Ive been reading alot of posts about the dead being unstuck and what-not and it made me think that the FF we saw in the Season 3 Finale was part of a changed future for Jack and KAte and not part of the Oceanic 815 timeline persay.

Everyone assumes that when people are recognizing Jack as a celebrity in that FF they are referencing the fact that hes an 815 survivor but what if that Jack and that Kate we saw never crashed on the island?

What if this "unstuck" time travel conciouseness thing that can happen allowed that Jack to mind travel into the past and change things like Jack never got on the plane...Maybe the plane still went down and the reason Jack is upset is because hes not going to be there to save them. This could also explain why Jack references his dad in that FF as well because of changes Jacks dad never flew to Australia and never died.

When Jack contacts Kate she acts as if shes being pestered...what if in this timeline Kate didnt kill her stepdad or maybe Jack stopped her or something...regardless I feel that in that FF Kate acted as if Jack was pestering her...like she viewed him as some crackpot that claims to know her from an island shes never been too and keeps contacting her like some lunatic! What if in this changed timeline the "him" Kate refers to is in fact Aaron but Kate was actually the person who was going to adopt him and Claire actually delivered him to her but on another flight other than 815???

The man in the coffin...Jack knows who it is because he has memories of the island but in the changed timeline Kate doesnt know them from a hole in the wall...thats why she so sarcastically saying "Why would I go to the funeral?"

So much has changed because Jack mind traveled and warned people or changed things that the timeline Jack has created has cause more problems and hurt more people than the 815 crash timeline ever did and thats why he needs to "Go Back!"...not physically go back to the island but mind travel back to fix things.

Thoughts?

I thimk you're way off. Jack and Kate clearly did not act like two people who had never met at the airpport. Moreover, if Jack was just some random crackpot stalking Kate via phone why we she agree to meet him? And if the crash had never happened why would Aaron be waiting on her?

I think there's something to Jack referencing his father and time travel but I think you're trying to do way too much with way too little information.

Faraday sad you cannot change the future...Mrs. Hawkling said the same to Desmond...

not to be mean but I think you are wrong

Faraday sad you cannot change the future...Mrs. Hawkling said the same to Desmond...

not to be mean but I think you are wrong
Also TPTB have said you can't change the future, but wait the mouse died before Faraday could teach it to run the maze, so how did the mouse run the maze? But seriously, while the mouse question is a bit serious, You can't change the future, but can you change the past?

The mouse died within the 75 minutes that Desmond was out. It could have been 'taught' the maze an hour later like Faraday said.

So changing the past will give you the same future? Course correcting itself? So what's even the point of mind traveling if its only going to be the same outcome?

I just posted this thought in another thread but it probably goes better here:

What if the reason Jack starts freaking out about going back is that he finds out Claire is his sister? Maybe Claire's aunt tracks Jack down to find out if he knows what happened to her and her baby? I don't know if she knew about the pregnancy or Claire being on the flight but it's possible and she would therefore know about the crash and be trying to find out details from Jack. It might also explain Kate's hostility toward jack at the end of Season 3 flash forward... if she has found out Jack is Aaron's uncle she may be afraid of losing him??? Or of Jack finding Claire and her getting Aaron back???

Claire's aunt did know who her father was so it wouldn't be too hard to track down Jack...

Just some other speculation!!

I thimk you're way off. Jack and Kate clearly did not act like two people who had never met at the airpport. Moreover, if Jack was just some random crackpot stalking Kate via phone why we she agree to meet him? And if the crash had never happened why would Aaron be waiting on her?

I think there's something to Jack referencing his father and time travel but I think you're trying to do way too much with way too little information.

I did not say Jack and Kate never had met before the airport but Im saying they met, just not on the Island because Jack has his memories from the Island but everything is playing out differently.

As for Aaron waiting for her...your just assuming the "He" Kate spoke of is Aaron based the recent episode...theres still no real proof the "He" Kate spoke of is actually Aaron!

What if, maybe, when the Oceanic 6 left the island, Jack began to experience "side effects" like the mental time travel that we saw with Desmond, but maybe to less of an extent and Kate did not. So, when Jack mentions his father in the Season 3 finale he may be traveling back to a time when his father was around and getting the two times confused. Also, when Jack says that they have to go back, maybe he is trying to get his mind to travel back to the island because there is something there to do. Maybe?:undecide:

I have no admit, I really like your theory; but I don't not think you have enough cold-heart facts to back it up.

When Jack mentions father in the hospital, the new chief of Surgery gives him a crazy look like "what are you talking about".....if his father didn't die like you said, why isn't he the chief of surgery now?
In my opinion I think its clearly obvious that the Jack and Kate we saw in TTLG, are the ones that BOTH were on the island. Kate saying "you look terrible" and Jack saying that "he gets on a plane every weekend". Also you would have to rethink the whole Jack and Hurley meeting at the nut house using your same theory.

Love you theory, but there aren't any facts to back it up.

After seeing this episode... Any chance that the 2004 oceanic 6 travelled forward in time ala Desmond? And maybe that was why jack was losing it.

It could be possible. But I think they actually are their future selves. Why aren't they more freaked out. We saw how screwed up Desmond was by what was happening. Don't you think they'd be doing/saying the same things he was? "Where am I?" and stuff like that.

Sayid and Frank were both fine when they reached the boat. I think its when ur either on the island or when ur exposed to radiation and exiting the island.