who is her???

Ben's Annie?

That's the only person I can think of who it would be.

Ben's Annie?
That's my guess.

Or his mom... then he would have serious issues (cue Psycho music... but Juliet does resemble her a bit...

My bet would be annie

Didn't Annie have dark hair?

Most likely "her" refers to some woman Ben was involved with in the past. Perhaps a wife that died from pregnancy.

I hope its not his mother. ICK!

Im thinking its his mom. He did follow an image of his mom and went to kill an entire group of people from there on. Mommy means alot to ben

I am with Kate731 (I think Danielle is Annie :p)

What happened to Annie? It looks like she stayed on the island, but something happened to her. She also got hot if she looks like Juliet.

Funny, Juliet also looks like Jack's ex-wife in Ben's opinion.

While I would love to say Annie, I have a creepy feeling that it's his Mom.

Definitely Annie. I don't think the hair color is too relevant -- those things change over time, either naturally or through dye. And it could be her face more specifically.

I believe Annie was Ben's great love and she died trying to carry his child.

Nice that Juliet looks like Annie AND Sarah. How convenient! :D

I believe Annie was Ben's great love and she died trying to carry his child.

I think that there is a high probability that this is the correct answer. However, I wouldn't rule out that Juliet looks like Ben's mother or that Annie died in the Purge.

W hat happened to Annie.. did she grow up and get gassed by ben? Juliette does look a bit like his mom. I know several men who have mommie issues, who lost them early in their lives and constantly try and recreate mom in the women they choose.

I was thinking Annie also. He mentioned he specifically wanted "her" and did everything he could to get "her" on the island, so it stands to reason he knew exactly who she was before recruiting her. I had forgotten all about the little girl.

I completely agree with Jenny. I do think there is a twist with Ben's mom, though. It's a Freudian thing... he never had a mom, so he's always been looking for that ONE WOMAN that can be his completely. He feels abandoned, so he will make sure he has someone who will never abandon him.
But if Annie died in childbirth, it would certainly explain how he feels abandoned again and isolated, so what does he do? Steal Alex, so he has a child of his own and basically steal Juliet so he can replace Annie.
ALL of it is to replace his mother.

Ugh, poor, horrible Ben.

Maybe Ben had a thing for Jack's ex-wife?
Nah, its Annie.

Harper knew who this person was that Juliet looked like because she remarked on it so I'm guessing it had to be someone who was in the camp until recently. We haven't seen Annie since before the purge so there's little evidence to show whether she was there as an adult or what she looked like.

I do think Juliet looks like Ben's mom and I think it would be cool and creepy but I couldn't see Harper saying that unless as the camp therapist Ben talked about her a lot and showed her pictures (if he had any). Remember how Tom remarked that Harper would have Juliet crying about her daddy? So maybe Ben did tell Harper about Mommy Linus. Hmm....

Harper knew who this person was that Juliet looked like because she remarked on it so I'm guessing it had to be someone who was in the camp until recently. We haven't seen Annie since before the purge so there's little evidence to show whether she was there as an adult or what she looked like.

I do think Juliet looks like Ben's mom and I think it would be cool and creepy but I couldn't see Harper saying that unless as the camp therapist Ben talked about her a lot and showed her pictures (if he had any). Remember how Tom remarked that Harper would have Juliet crying about her daddy? So maybe Ben did tell Harper about Mommy Linus. Hmm....


Good Observation!!!!!

We will have to wait and see :biggrin:

Or his mom... then he would have serious issues (cue Psycho music... but Juliet does resemble her a bit...

I just had this hilarious image of Ben in a dress and a wig standing outside of a shower holding a knife.

I don't know who "she" is supposed to be. Logically, It'd almost have to be Annie. But I've thought that Juliet looked like Ben's mom for a while, so that might work, too. I find it hard to imagine Ben as a mother-obsessed weirdo, though.

I think Juliet resembles the gal in the painting with the rat-like thing in her lap. We saw that last year I think.


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Harper knew who this person was that Juliet looked like because she remarked on it so I'm guessing it had to be someone who was in the camp until recently. We haven't seen Annie since before the purge so there's little evidence to show whether she was there as an adult or what she looked like.

I do think Juliet looks like Ben's mom and I think it would be cool and creepy but I couldn't see Harper saying that unless as the camp therapist Ben talked about her a lot and showed her pictures (if he had any). Remember how Tom remarked that Harper would have Juliet crying about her daddy? So maybe Ben did tell Harper about Mommy Linus. Hmm....

I don't think Ben ever opened his soul to Harper. She's there to tell Ben what other people say.

I think Juliet resembles the gal in the painting with the rat-like thing in her lap. We saw that last year I think.


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That would be the giant hamster that powers the island !

I think Juliet resembles the gal in the painting with the rat-like thing in her lap. We saw that last year I think.


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I agree. At least this is what I thought of first when all this came up tonight. Suppose I always assumed that woman was Ben's mother... but why would that necessarily be the case? The painting was a portrait and Ben's mother died in childbirth, obviously. So now this seems unlikely to me.

I'm betting his mom as well.

...Or maybe Ben is the guy Sarah left Jack for and she comes back & forth with Christian!!

I don't think Ben ever opened his soul to Harper. She's there to tell Ben what other people say.

Apparently. And to fish for information that Ben wants to know.
So freaking weird.

I agree. At least this is what I thought of first when all this came up tonight. Suppose I always assumed that woman was Ben's mother... but why would that necessarily be the case? The painting was a portrait and Ben's mother died in childbirth, obviously. So now this seems unlikely to me.

Um, I have no clue what you guys are talking about! Episode? Screencap? Thanks! :)

Apparently. And to fish for information that Ben wants to know.
So freaking weird.



Um, I have no clue what you guys are talking about! Episode? Screencap? Thanks! :)

Laura, this woman (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-573.html) in the portrait (I know there's a better shot, I just couldn't find it quickly). It does look like Juliet. Not so much like his mother, although I also had a flash of Ben as Norman Bates.

Funny, Juliet also looks like Jack's ex-wife in Ben's opinion.

Exactly what I thought of.
Ben saying to Jack, something about Juliette resembling his ex-wife.

This means "her" looks like Juliette and Sarah.

Is it possible that Sarah and Juliette have the same mother possibly?!
Annie?!

Is that what they were hinting at?! That's what I got out of it.

Annie

I was thinking Annie, and hopefully not his mother, which would be weird. So I guess that means at some point we'll meet an adult Annie and the actress they cast will resemble Elizabeth Mitchell.

Yah I'd vote for Annie too.

The portrait of an adult inside Ben's house as soon as he opens the door for Juliet looks just like Juliet. This makes me believe that Annie did live long enough to be affected by a pregnancy, as well as there being a talented artist among the others. The drawing of the POTTED RED flowers in the painting as well (oddly located, floating) tells me that Annie is dead. Ben is obviously looking for a mother figure to replace the abusive father that he had.

Hmmmm....I thought it was obviously his mother. Juliet looks very much like her, and Ben did have a picture of her (we saw it in his FB, when he was a boy), so he presumably still does, and presumably the therapist saw it.

And isn't there some sort of saying that every man wants to marry a woman just like his mother?

Penny.
When Juliet first appeared, in TOTC, lots of folks thought she WAS Penny, for a few minutes.
If Ben once had an unrequited love for Penny, it would certainly up the stakes between him and Widmore.
Not sure how Des would fit in, though, so it might not work. But I still like it...

IMO, Harper was referring to Ben's mother. She's really the crux of all of Ben's issues and has an on-Island presence. I wouldn't be surprised if Ben opened up to Harper about it during a session. Freudian, yes-but that's Ben in a nut shell.

Funny, Juliet also looks like Jack's ex-wife in Ben's opinion.

Maybe Sarah (Jack's ex wife) is also Ben's ex... Just kidding. But how would that be for a connection?

I think the front-runners are def. Annie and Ben's mom, Ben's mom being a slight front-runner, since (as it's been pointed out on another thread) Ben seems like quite the 40 year old virgin.
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Penny.
When Juliet first appeared, in TOTC, lots of folks thought she WAS Penny, for a few minutes.
If Ben once had an unrequited love for Penny, it would certainly up the stakes between him and Widmore.
Not sure how Des would fit in, though, so it might not work. But I still like it...

Huh.... That's interesting... I don't think Jules looks *anything* like Pen.

Penny.
When Juliet first appeared, in TOTC, lots of folks thought she WAS Penny, for a few minutes.
If Ben once had an unrequited love for Penny, it would certainly up the stakes between him and Widmore.
Not sure how Des would fit in, though, so it might not work. But I still like it...That would definately be an interesting twist!!

See, as sick as this is... I always thought Ben let Annie die in the purge. Either that or she died before it somehow. Either way, there was no mention of her and he didn't seem preocuppied with anything except his father when he initiated the purge. Sure, maybe they just didn't show us something. But it sure seems like they would have shown us that...

See, as sick as this is... I always thought Ben let Annie die in the purge. Either that or she died before it somehow. Either way, there was no mention of her and he didn't seem preocuppied with anything except his father when he initiated the purge. Sure, maybe they just didn't show us something. But it sure seems like they would have shown us that...

Maybe a flashback will reveal that Ben got her pregnant and she ended up dying?!
Thus his obsession with fixing the pregnancy problem.
OR
Perhaps she is frozen somewhere, only later to be thawed when the problem is
solved?!

HER would probably be Ben's mum.No doubt ALL of the women Ben fancies look like his mum,including grown-up Annie

HER would probably be Ben's mum.No doubt ALL of the women Ben fancies look like his mum,including grown-up Annie

Grown up Annie?! I'm confused I thought we only saw her once as a kid?!

Libby? aka- Annie... or Ben's mom, psycho as it is, I can see that, I mean he IS psycho, so...

Grown up Annie?! I'm confused I thought we only saw her once as a kid?!

we have only seen her as a child.
i'm just speculating that she grew up to be Ben's significant other.

I first thought "Annie." But the mother theory is an interesting angle. There are some parallels perhaps to Ben's mother and the island's effect on pregnant mothers.
I kind of wonder if the children were saved from the purge, as I don't remember seeing any dead children after the gassing or smaller bodies in the pit. If Annie was Ben's love interest she may have either been spared or perhaps she died prior to the purge due to some circumstance like a pregnancy. Perhaps the tipping point for Ben wanting to go through with the purge because he blamed Dharma for her death.

While watching, I immediately thought mom. Annie has got to come back at some point though, right? At least in FB.

It is LOST. We've probably not met "Her" (Four-toed Goddess?) yet.

dollhouse:
On the $$$$...Harper is/was definitely one of Ben's moles.

Libby? aka- Annie... or Ben's mom, psycho as it is, I can see that, I mean he IS psycho, so...

Ben is anything but psychotic. If the woman was his mother, it wouldn't be interesting...I assume it's Annie, or could even be another female character on the show...

I first thought "Annie." But the mother theory is an interesting angle. There are some parallels perhaps to Ben's mother and the island's effect on pregnant mothers.

Annie was my first thought too. Didn't notice that the line could have easily also meant his mother.

I would feel better, though, if the reference was about Annie.

My first thought was his mother. I didn't even think of Annie. Yes, it is creepy if it is his mother, but let's face, Benjamin Linus went to a whole other level of creepiness in this episode.

I'm gonna have to side with the people thinking its his mom, just cause i KNOW Ben is one sick unit.

My first thought was Annie but then I was like, 'nah, Annie didn't have blonde hair'. I guess they could have similar facial features, we haven't seen Annie as an adult yet.

Definitly Annie.
Annie was probably also a mother figure for Ben.

Annie

Annie or his mom, they're certainly not going to introduce a third woman at this point in Ben flashbacks.

The point is that whoever it is, it has to be someone who has been around recently enough that Harper would have seen her. Unless Harper, like Richard Alpert, ages really well, that would make "her" someone who has been there not that long ago. I'm not really picturing Ben opening up his heart to share pictures and memories of his mom with Harper. So I'm thinking an adult Annie who died during pregnancy.

Definitely Annie. I don't think the hair color is too relevant -- those things change over time, either naturally or through dye. And it could be her face more specifically.

I believe Annie was Ben's great love and she died trying to carry his child.

Nice that Juliet looks like Annie AND Sarah. How convenient! :D

My thoughts exactly

I immediately thought Annie too, remembering back to a commentary track on the Season 3 DVD's for "The Man Behind The Curtain" where they say that Annie will play quite prominently in Ben's life, and that what happens to her will be explored possibly in Season 4. It would be extra creepy if "her" meant Ben's mom since the actress who actually played his mom is Michael Emerson's wife (again, from the commentary track) Creepy....

I think it could probably be both. Juliet might physically resemble an idealized version of his mom but in attitude and personality be like Annie. No wonder Ben wanted to keep her

i dont know how to make polls after i submit threads....anyone care to do one?

Now that he has mentioned Charles Widmore I would be willing to bet it's Penny.
I remember us being told that there was a reason that her and Juliet look like each other on the show.

It's not Annie. They would have cast a girl with blonde hair to play young Annie if they had wanted her to resemble Juliet. Brown hair doesn't get lighter with age; it's the other way around, if anything. From the commentaries I've read and heard, TPTB already have Annie's story all figured out so they would have planned for her to look like Juliet, if that was to be a factor.

It's probably his mom. Creepy as it might be, but Ben didn't actually make any sexual advances on her. The hand brushing and gazing was pretty adolescent and non-sexual.

I agree that it could be Penny. But that's a bit too convoluted for a show that only has 2.5 seasons left, and really needs to be careful about not becoming a big soap opera.

Ugh, mostly I think it was just a very badly written episode and will have no bearing on future episodes. I'm thinking it might not even be worth speculating over.

I vote that "HER" is either an unknown or Penny.

Laura, this woman (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-573.html) in the portrait (I know there's a better shot, I just couldn't find it quickly). It does look like Juliet. Not so much like his mother, although I also had a flash of Ben as Norman Bates.

Thank you so much! I definitely think that is a grown-up Annie.

See, as sick as this is... I always thought Ben let Annie die in the purge. Either that or she died before it somehow. Either way, there was no mention of her and he didn't seem preocuppied with anything except his father when he initiated the purge. Sure, maybe they just didn't show us something. But it sure seems like they would have shown us that...

See, I think the opposite. I think that they DIDN'T show her die because they were leaving her storyline mysterious. We will see her again, as an adult, I'm sure of it.

Again, I think Annie was a replacement for his mother. Juliet a replacement for Annie. Alex a replacement for the child he never had when Annie presumably died in labor. Zack and Emma were replacements for Alex who became a rebelious teenager. It aaaaall goes back to his mother (yes, extra creepy because his mother was played by Michael Emerson's wife, lolol).

I remember now! Yes, Annie

Ugh, mostly I think it was just a very badly written episode and will have no bearing on future episodes. I'm thinking it might not even be worth speculating over.


Every episode is worth speculating over....;) reding all you can about and spending firday not doing a damn thing in work...

It's not Annie. They would have cast a girl with blonde hair to play young Annie if they had wanted her to resemble Juliet. Brown hair doesn't get lighter with age; it's the other way around, if anything. From the commentaries I've read and heard, TPTB already have Annie's story all figured out so they would have planned for her to look like Juliet, if that was to be a factor.

It's probably his mom. Creepy as it might be, but Ben didn't actually make any sexual advances on her. The hand brushing and gazing was pretty adolescent and non-sexual.


I agree, I don't really think it can be Annie because of the hair issue.

Also, after watching how he's treated Juliet (aforementioned adolescent-ness combined with the "You're mine!" statement) it doesn't seem like Ben has ever had an (adult) girlfriend. I could be wrong, but I just can't picture it.

Also, if HER is his mom, that adds the whole Norman Bates vibe to Jacob's rocking chair :)

I don't see why there is such a hair issue. Annie had light brown hair. She could have highlighted her hair as adult. Maybe Ben even asked her to, so she'd look more like his Mom. ;)

I was thinking his mom too.
Who is Annie ??

Annie is his best friend from childhood, the girl who gives him the wood carved dolls of each other.

(Coming out of lurking for a bit...)

For me, the thing about the hair is that hair (style, color, etc.) is one of the most obvious ways of identifying a person, especially in TV land. Remember Jack's wig in the hospital? It's used to identify a person and sometimes to show the passage of time, a narrative, etc. If there is an inconsistency, it sticks out. (Richard Alpert - he looked just the same. Including hair color.)

Whenever you see a child and an adult playing the same character at different ages, they almost always have the same hair color, unless there has been some sort of life change which involves dying one's hair. (Perhaps Ben telling Annie to dye it for him, but I believe she was killed or taken away before the purge.) It just seems like unnecessary confusion, especially for casual viewers of the show. TPTB included that line to draw our attention to something; so why make it that much more difficult for casual viewers of the show to figure out? Yes, I know this is LOST, but look at how they've used hair as a consistency in the past.

Sorry to go on about something seemingly trivial, but this is what makes me positive it's his mother. Just my two cents.

Ok, I see your point.... I guess we shall see.

So now we have "mommy" issues with the Others and "daddy" issues with the Losties? Nice contrast.

May be a long shot, but has anyone considered that Harper is Annie? Did we ever find out Annie's last name? Harper sounds like more of a last name to me...Annie Harper.

My vote is "she" is his Mom. It also fits with the whole psychotherapy arc that was introduced in this episode...things usually seem to go back to Mommy or Daddy issues in the realm of psycho-analysis.

what i dont understand if even if "her" is Bens mom or Annie..how would Harper know what she looks like??

I'm thinking her is Annie and Annie got pregnant and died. Ben was trying hard to replace his family. The kids from the crash along with a brand new Mommy for them, Juliette.

I think it makes sense that "her" is Annie, but Juliet I don't think would look like an adult Annie. She might look like Ben's mom, or a third person, whoever is in the portrait holding the guinea pig. That painting seems from the fauna depicted to be set in a tropical location. We know that Ben's mom died before they went to the island, so I'm not sure it's def Ben's mom in the painting. There may be a third woman, or maybe Annie grew up to look like Juliet.

The painting woman seems to share Ben's affinity for rodent pets.

As for how Harper would know what this "her" looks like, I noticed she has a Hanso issued certificate on her diploma wall there in her office. So she must have been around before the purge. She does seem very loyal to Ben, I think she's known him for a long time. She might have known Annie or whoever Ben might have tried to make a family with, or she may have seen pictures of Ben's mom or at least heard from ben about the resemblance, if Harper is in fact Ben's therapist.

Harper's last name is Stanhope, so I don't think she's Annie, though I suspected that as well because of her seemingly jealous behavior towards Juliet. Of course, that could be explained away considering Harper knew Goodwin was sleeping with Juliet. Still, she seemed very into Ben.
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I'm thinking her is Annie and Annie got pregnant and died. Ben was trying hard to replace his family. The kids from the crash along with a brand new Mommy for them, Juliette.

I know, that was pretty creepy. And I almost wanted that for him too. Especially when he claimed Juliet as his, he seemed so entitled to her, almost like she really did have some kind of bond to him that she should recognize. I guess I just like Ben. You know he just wants a family like the kind he never had, he probably worshiped his wife, because she was both wife and mother to him.

Because of the title of the episode "The Other Woman" - I'm going to go with Annie; but it also could be dealing with crazy, psycho shrink lady too.

But it's either Annie or his mom.

Back to the whole hair color thing... I really hope we don't see grown-up Annie played by Elizabeth Mitchell with dyed brown hair... Twin Peaks could get away with that sort of thing, but I really don't care to see it on Lost.

Maybe "her" refers to the woman in the portrait, but the twist is that the woman doesn't really exist, and Ben lied to everyone and told them it was Alex's mother who died in childbirth.

Back to the whole hair color thing... I really hope we don't see grown-up Annie played by Elizabeth Mitchell with dyed brown hair... Twin Peaks could get away with that sort of thing, but I really don't care to see it on Lost.

Maybe "her" refers to the woman in the portrait, but the twist is that the woman doesn't really exist, and Ben lied to everyone and told them it was Alex's mother who died in childbirth.

LOVE IT! That would be rad.It would so fit Ben's particular brand of creepiness.

Yah I'd vote for Annie too.

The portrait of an adult inside Ben's house as soon as he opens the door for Juliet looks just like Juliet. This makes me believe that Annie did live long enough to be affected by a pregnancy, as well as there being a talented artist among the others. The drawing of the POTTED RED flowers in the painting as well (oddly located, floating) tells me that Annie is dead. Ben is obviously looking for a mother figure to replace the abusive father that he had.

I completely agree with this & was gonna write the same thing.
I think that painting is of Annie. I think she & Ben's baby died like the other women & children (maybe they were the first ones to die)..... that with the added trauma of his mom dying during his birth is a double crazy-making whammie....explaining why he became so obsessed with fixing the pregnancy thing (probably to the point of pushing the Islands needs behind his personel needs)

And yes when we first saw that painting I thought it could be Juliet...of course there is no shortage of thin, blonde actressess on the show that it could also look like.

Even if others hadn't met Annie they would be aware of the picture on his wall and aware of Juliets resemblance to the Painting (kinda like the Movie "Rebecca")
We'll see.....

Laura, this woman (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-573.html) in the portrait (I know there's a better shot, I just couldn't find it quickly). It does look like Juliet. Not so much like his mother, although I also had a flash of Ben as Norman Bates.

Looks nothing like Juliet to me from that angle.

Looks more like Kate Winslet.

Emily Linus

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3x20_emily_is_creepy.jpg

Juliet looks like Ben's Mother Emily

Emily Linus

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3x20_emily_is_creepy.jpg

Juliet looks like Ben's Mother Emily

Wow, looking at that picture, I can see why Ben from photos would think that Juliet looks like his mom. No wonder he's so obsessed with her, she's not just hot and brilliant, she looks like his long lost mom who we know has semi-haunted him on-island.

Im thinking its his mom. He did follow an image of his mom and went to kill an entire group of people from there on. Mommy means alot to ben

Ben does have mommy and daddy issues, but how would Harper know what Ben's mom looked like? She said "her" like she knew her personally.

If it's Annie, then Annie survived the purge.

Ben does have mommy and daddy issues, but how would Harper know what Ben's mom looked like? She said "her" like she knew her personally.

If it's Annie, then Annie survived the purge.

I think just from pictures.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3x20-roger-emily-photo.jpg

I think just from pictures.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3x20-roger-emily-photo.jpg

Eeek. That woman does resemble Juliet. Now I'm really grossed out by Ben.
He can't even have a normal crush on a woman.

Penny.
When Juliet first appeared, in TOTC, lots of folks thought she WAS Penny, for a few minutes.
If Ben once had an unrequited love for Penny, it would certainly up the stakes between him and Widmore.
Not sure how Des would fit in, though, so it might not work. But I still like it...
Yes! That is exactly what I come here to post.

Also, through the whole epi I thought Harper looked like Annie.

omg..Juliette does look like mom...how gross Ben!!!

OMG< what if Ben is Penny's husband, huh??? We know she is married (the ring on her finger when she's on the phone)...What if Ben has a family with her off the island, and is fighting Widmore because of that, among other reasons??? And he wanted someone who resembled Penny on the Island because he loved her too much to destroy her life by taking her there, or something???

That would be such a kewl twist, what do you think, haha???

Yah I'd vote for Annie too.

The portrait of an adult inside Ben's house as soon as he opens the door for Juliet looks just like Juliet. This makes me believe that Annie did live long enough to be affected by a pregnancy, as well as there being a talented artist among the others. The drawing of the POTTED RED flowers in the painting as well (oddly located, floating) tells me that Annie is dead. Ben is obviously looking for a mother figure to replace the abusive father that he had.


I completely agree with this & was gonna write the same thing.
I think that painting is of Annie. I think she & Ben's baby died like the other women & children (maybe they were the first ones to die)..... that with the added trauma of his mom dying during his birth is a double crazy-making whammie....explaining why he became so obsessed with fixing the pregnancy thing (probably to the point of pushing the Islands needs behind his personel needs)

And yes when we first saw that painting I thought it could be Juliet...of course there is no shortage of thin, blonde actressess on the show that it could also look like.

Even if others hadn't met Annie they would be aware of the picture on his wall and aware of Juliets resemblance to the Painting (kinda like the Movie "Rebecca")
We'll see.....

Unless that is a time traveling picture, I'm sure it's not a picture of Annie. If you watch Man Behind the Curtain, you will see what appears to be the portrait on the wall of Ben's father's house. (Look for it in the scene right after Ben gets the dolls from Annie. The scene in which Ben is trying to help his father who is passed out on the sofa.) I don't think Ben's dad would have a picture of an adult Annie on his wall. Especially since Annie had not yet become an adult. It is probably a portrait of Emily, Ben's mom. Harper and any other person who entered Ben's home would have probably seen the picture and could have learned it's Ben's mom. Ben also had a photograph of his mother and dad. Harper could have seen that as well.

Another thing that leads me to believe this is a "mother issue" is the scene in The Other Woman when Juliet mentions the two children from the tail section. She tells Ben they are asking for their mother. He coldly mentions something to the effect that the children will forget and would stop asking at some point. Knowing his situation with his own mother, that scene really gave me the chills.

Ben is one truly twisted character.

THANK YOU desmundo for the pic. this just reiterates it for me. definitely think it is his mother.

Juliet being a baby doc, fertility expert, and the one to hopefully stop this pregnancy problem on the island, plus her resemblance to mommy feels like another redemption theme. Mommy issues, daddy issues. Why would Ben care? He feels responsible for mommy's death. If he can resolve this pregnancy problem on his island utopia perhaps to him it's some kind of redemption for mommy's death.

Juliet being a baby doc, fertility expert, and the one to hopefully stop this pregnancy problem on the island, plus her resemblance to mommy feels like another redemption theme. Mommy issues, daddy issues. Why would Ben care? He feels responsible for mommy's death. If he can resolve this pregnancy problem on his island utopia perhaps to him it's some kind of redemption for mommy's death.

and to solve that problem with beautiful Mommy reincarnate Juliet would be the ultimate reward for such a feat.

Just for comparisons since we're discussing who this "her" is. Here is a picture of Annie:
http://images.lostpedia.com/images/2/2a/3x20_annie02.jpg

Here is a picture of Ben's painting:
http://images.lostpedia.com/images/4/49/Woman-with-hampster.jpg

Juliet:
http://images.lostpedia.com/images/7/71/JulietS4.jpg

The painting was around when Ben was a kid right? So I guess it can't be Annie in the painting. But Annie could still be the person that Juliet looks like.

And lastly Ben's mom again:
http://images.lostpedia.com/images/thumb/e/e1/3x20_emily_is_creepy.jpg/460px-3x20_emily_is_creepy.jpg

I think Juliet looks like Penny. I don't see how that would connect but, its Lost. :p

I just want to say for the whole Juliet looks just like his mother, we've only seen Annie once as a child, we don't what she looked like as an adult. People often look completely different as adults than they did as kids. Of course we don't know if Annie made it to adulthood.

I am convinced it is his mom....he has mommy issues...I dont know it is just an huge ICK to me...lol

Another thing that leads me to believe this is a "mother issue" is the scene in The Other Woman when Juliet mentions the two children from the tail section. She tells Ben they are asking for their mother. He coldly mentions something to the effect that the children will forget and would stop asking at some point. Knowing his situation with his own mother, that scene really gave me the chills.

Ben is one truly twisted character. He is. Until this episode, I always gave Ben the benefit of the doubt since we see all the prominent characters go from black to gray to white, then back again.
But they burned Ben's bridge in this one. If they try to twist him back to a good guy, it'll be a shark-jumper for me..

Desmundo We've only seen the painting once & Ben was an adult...so we don't know the painting was around when he was a kid.....so it could be of Annie

I think "her" is Ben's mom.

The fun part about that is that in real life, Michael Emerson and Carrie Preston are married.

I am convinced it is his mom....he has mommy issues...I dont know it is just an huge ICK to me...lol

Yea me too & the fact Emily passed away after giving birth to Ben & Juliet is a fertility doc is very telling indeed. Ben is the one who needs therapy.

I'm glad this got to 10 pages, certainly it wasn't clear that it's his mum. He certainly has lots of other important blonde women in his life, there were a lot to choose from. However, here's a new theory; Juliet looks most like... You may need to sit down... Juliet. That's right, she mainly looks like Juliet. Juliet from the future that is. Ben used to know Juliet when he was a child, no it wasn't shown on screen, but I think we can pretty much be sure that he did used to know Juliet, otherwise why would she say she looked like her? Definitely Juliet travels in time.

I'm glad this got to 10 pages, certainly it wasn't clear that it's his mum. He certainly has lots of other important blonde women in his life, there were a lot to choose from. However, here's a new theory; Juliet looks most like... You may need to sit down... Juliet. That's right, she mainly looks like Juliet. Juliet from the future that is. Ben used to know Juliet when he was a child, no it wasn't shown on screen, but I think we can pretty much be sure that he did used to know Juliet, otherwise why would she say she looked like her? Definitely Juliet travels in time.

ohhhh Iike the Mommy Issues theory better & I just have to say it & I apologize if I offend anyone but I don't buy into the Time Travel thing & there's enough post about that so I'll shut up I feel like I'm back in the "it's not a coma" debate. :lipsseal:

I was being sarcastic man, gimme some credit! :grin:

I was being sarcastic man, gimme some credit! :grin:

Oh cool :cool:

He is. Until this episode, I always gave Ben the benefit of the doubt since we see all the prominent characters go from black to gray to white, then back again.
But they burned Ben's bridge in this one. If they try to twist him back to a good guy, it'll be a shark-jumper for me..

I could not agree with you more on this point.

Desmundo We've only seen the painting once & Ben was an adult...so we don't know the painting was around when he was a kid.....so it could be of Annie

Watch the scene in Man behind the Curtain when Ben's dad complains about Ben killing his mother. It is the scene after Annie gives him the dolls. On the wall near the door is a painting that looks like the woman holding a hamster portrait.

I could not agree with you more on this point.



Watch the scene in Man behind the Curtain when Ben's dad complains about Ben killing his mother. It is the scene after Annie gives him the dolls. On the wall near the door is a painting that looks like the woman holding a hamster portrait.
Yes!!! That is why I think tht woman in the painting is his mother!;)
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I could not agree with you more on this point.



Watch the scene in Man behind the Curtain when Ben's dad complains about Ben killing his mother. It is the scene after Annie gives him the dolls. On the wall near the door is a painting that looks like the woman holding a hamster portrait.

Yes!!! That is why I think that woman in the painting is his mother!;)

I could not agree with you more on this point.

Watch the scene in Man behind the Curtain when Ben's dad complains about Ben killing his mother. It is the scene after Annie gives him the dolls. On the wall near the door is a painting that looks like the woman holding a hamster portrait.

I definitely think "her" is his mother. That picture was the first thing that I thought of. And after that Goodwin scene . . . psycho for sure. No wonder Sayid hates working for him in the future. He knows better than anyone what a nut job Ben is . . . poor Sayid! :frown:

Annie.

Didn't Annie have dark hair?

Hair colour can change over time. My brother used to have almost blonde hair when we were kids, but he's now very dark brown like me. We don't know when Annie disappeared (we don't know if she died, but my guess is she became pregnant with Ben's child and then died), but we didn't see her as an adult, as far as I remember.

Ben's Mum would be a bit of a weird connection.

Annie.



Hair colour can change over time. My brother used to have almost blonde hair when we were kids, but he's now very dark brown like me. We don't know when Annie disappeared (we don't know if she died, but my guess is she became pregnant with Ben's child and then died), but we didn't see her as an adult, as far as I remember.

Ben's Mum would be a bit of a weird connection.
True about haircolor changing but I don't think it changes from brown to blonde,does it? To me the picture from Lostpedia someone I think posted here,looks very much like Juliet especially the long wavy blonde hair. Oh and I can see Ben with a Mommy complex! :p
Isn't that called an Oedipal Complex? Ben always searching for the mommy he never had. Especially,if you keep in mind a therapist told Juliet, "you look just like her".

True about haircolor changing but I don't think it changes from brown to blonde,does it? To me the picture from Lostpedia someone I think posted here,looks very much like Juliet especially the long wavy blonde hair.

I honestly don't know, Sawyerluver. I can only use an example from my own experience. The photo of Annie on LostPedia would seem to show her having fair-brown hair, rather than dark brown.

I just don't really see the similarity in looks between Emily and Juliet that a lot of people see.

Oh and I can see Ben with a Mommy complex! :p Isn't that called an Oedipal Complex? Ben always searching for the mommy he never had. Especially,if you keep in mind a therapist told Juliet, "you look just like her".

You're quite right. Oedipus killed his father and married his mother. There are a lot of nods to Greek mythology in Lost. The thing is though - Oedipus didn't know that he was marrying his mother (Jocasta),. I tend to think that the Annie connection makes more sense in the context of this show, and for the moment I'm sticking with the idea that Annie died during or after childbirth, and hence Ben's desire for Juliet to stay on the island and cure the problem affecting expectant mothers.

Was Annie killed in the "purge" I thought so.

Was Annie killed in the "purge" I thought so.

We never found out what happened to her. We saw Ben holding the wooden doll in The Man Behind The Curtain, before he went out and killed his father, but we were given no information regarding Annie's whereabouts or ultimate fate.

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True about haircolor changing but I don't think it changes from brown to blonde,does it? To me the picture from Lostpedia someone I think posted here,looks very much like Juliet especially the long wavy blonde hair. Oh and I can see Ben with a Mommy complex! :p
Isn't that called an Oedipal Complex? Ben always searching for the mommy he never had. Especially,if you keep in mind a therapist told Juliet, "you look just like her".

No, it doesn't go from brown to blonde. Just brown to gray, which, of course, can be changed to a lighter color with a little box of color. ;)

I think Annie died in childbirth. That's why Ben is so hell bent on finding a reason why women before their third trimester of pregnancy. It's his pet project. Remember Richard said that's not the only thing they are working on. Also, Annie's dieing in childbirth would mirror his mom and might have pushed him over the edge, leading to the kidnapping of Alex from Danielle.

I thought we saw annie as a child in Ben's flashback

EDIT: hah... I thought you meant whilst she was being born!.. nevermind

We never found out what happened to her. We saw Ben holding the wooden doll in The Man Behind The Curtain, before he went out and killed his father, but we were given no information regarding Annie's whereabouts or ultimate fate.

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My memory is shot...

He killed his dad the day of the purge. Who survived the purge? I thought Ben was the only Darma employee to live.

My memory is shot...

He killed his dad the day of the purge. Who survived the purge? I thought Ben was the only Darma employee to live.

No problem, Herk. :)

What we saw of the Purge was from Ben's flashback. You're right, he killed his father on the day of the purge. Ben appeared to be the only one to survive, and he has said that he is the last of the Dharma people. I tend to believe that he remains the only living member of the DI to still be on the island. We didn't see Annie on the day of the Purge. We only saw Ben holing the female doll that Annie had given him. Hope that helps

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W hat happened to Annie.. did she grow up and get gassed by ben? Juliette does look a bit like his mom. I know several men who have mommie issues, who lost them early in their lives and constantly try and recreate mom in the women they choose.

I believe Annie was not killed in the purge. I believe Annie died in childbirth and since Ben was talking to Jack when he said "looks like her" or whatever, I take it to mean Jack's ex-wife. I think Ben is trying to replace Annie and start a family and a bonus for Ben that Juliet is blonde and pretty, but I don't think looks like Annie. Annie had darker hair and complexion as a child. I wish we could have a flash back to Annie.

I believe Annie was not killed in the purge. I believe Annie died in childbirth and since Ben was talking to Jack when he said "looks like her" or whatever, I take it to mean Jack's ex-wife. I think Ben is trying to replace Annie and start a family and a bonus for Ben that Juliet is blonde and pretty, but I don't think looks like Annie. Annie had darker hair and complexion as a child. I wish we could have a flash back to Annie.

The thing is, we haven't seen Annie as an adult. We don't know whether she looked similar to Juliet, facially. There's too much focus on hair colour here, imo.

No problem, Herk. :)

What we saw of the Purge was from Ben's flashback. You're right, he killed his father on the day of the purge. Ben appeared to be the only one to survive, and he has said that he is the last of the Dharma people. I tend to believe that he remains the only living member of the DI to still be on the island. We didn't see Annie on the day of the Purge. We only saw Ben holing the female doll that Annie had given him. Hope that helps

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Thanks!
I guess what I did in my mind was to think that he felt remorse for killing Annie during the purge when he was looking at the doll. I kinda thought he was pondering the extreme price he would pay for the island.

My memory is shot...

He killed his dad the day of the purge. Who survived the purge? I thought Ben was the only Darma employee to live.

I think Ben said something to Locke while at the Dharma bone pit that he was one of those smart enough not to be caught in the purge (not an exact quote). Plus, if we can believe Mikail, I think he said everything he told Sayid, Kate, and Locke was the truth except being the last surviving member of the Dharma initiative. You could interpret that as there being more members still alive.

I've always thought Ben would have needed a few more Dharma mates to pull off the purge, especially since he wasn't around when it happens.

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I guess what I did in my mind was to think that he felt remorse for killing Annie during the purge when he was looking at the doll. I kinda thought he was pondering the extreme price he would pay for the island.

Could well be. We just don't know. Unless or until we see or hear more about Annie in her adult years, it's just guess work.

What we saw of the Purge was from Ben's flashback. You're right, he killed his father on the day of the purge. Ben appeared to be the only one to survive, and he has said that he is the last of the Dharma people. I tend to believe that he remains the only living member of the DI to still be on the island. We didn't see Annie on the day of the Purge. We only saw Ben holing the female doll that Annie had given him. Hope that helps
I think that there are probably a few other hold-overs from the DI who are now Others. However, I think that Annie must have died in childbirth before the purge, and that that was one of the things to push him over the edge into genocidal... maniacy? maniacness? well, um... lunacy.

Interesting....thank you

I think that there are probably a few other hold-overs from the DI who are now Others. However, I think that Annie must have died in childbirth before the purge, and that that was one of the things to push him over the edge into genocidal... maniacy? maniacness? well, um... lunacy.

For information there's an interesting thread elsewhere suggesting that Harper may well have been an original DI member. Just trying to find the thread again, but I'm struggling. Screencaps have been posted showing that Harper's certificate(s) of pschology are either Dharma- or Hanso-approved, suggesting that she is the second surviving DI member we have seen. I reckon she's dead though. Just my theory.

I'm with you and others on the 'death in childbirth' line.

Apparently. And to fish for information that Ben wants to know.
So freaking weird. :)
Exactly like Scientology. They have members "interview" new recruits using a polygraph ("E-Meter"), and keep asking probing personal questions until they get the truth. Then they threaten to make all your confessions public if you ever try to leave.
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My first thought was his mother. I didn't even think of Annie. Yes, it is creepy if it is his mother, but let's face, Benjamin Linus went to a whole other level of creepiness in this episode.

Besides, he never actually knew his mother: she died in childbirth, so she is more of a symbol to him than an actual person. Being in love with a symbol isn't so bad. Most men are.

into genocidal... maniacy? maniacness? well, um... lunacy.

Some alternatives:

maniacal genocide

angry kill kill

The Incredible Mr Kill Everyone

Most likely it means his Mother. Whoever is in the picture is the one that is referred to because that picture was highlighted when Ben opens the Door for Juliet--that is most obvious

It is also most likely that Annie died during childbirth with Bens kid---which along with his mothers death is the reason why he is obssessed with fertility.

One quick theme most missed from Man behind the Curtian was a scene mentioned in this thread. In the epi, Bens mom appears from the magic box---as Ben said, anything you could imagine would come out---and his mom appeared just as she was in the picture on Bens dresser.

Well, after that Ben receives a Box from Annie----and what comes out of that box?
People

I remember reading the forums at the time and not one person noticed that depth in the writing. With this type of depth in mind you can easily see that its most likely that Annie died in childbirth and that we will be seeing her manifested on the Island

I'm betting his mom as well.

...Or maybe Ben is the guy Sarah left Jack for and she comes back & forth with Christian!!

Ok, you are too weird. But the spy Widmore captures looks like Sarah's new love. If Sarah's new boyfriend IS working for Ben, is this just a coinscience? I still don't think Ben sabatoged the plane.

For information there's an interesting thread elsewhere suggesting that Harper may well have been an original DI member. Just trying to find the thread again, but I'm struggling. Screencaps have been posted showing that Harper's certificate(s) of pschology are either Dharma- or Hanso-approved, suggesting that she is the second surviving DI member we have seen. I reckon she's dead though. Just my theory.If Harper died in the Purge Juliette wouldn't know her.

Ok, you are too weird.Thank you. :rolleyes:

Mooooommmmieeee!! I never knew ye, except as a ghost! Now i can own you, and love you, and pet you, and feed you Dharma ham......
I can't spell Oedipus, can you? (aww, spell-check can!)

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we do not know where little Annie went...we only do know she had lots and lots of Freckles, and long brown hair, and was really cute and about 10/12 in the early 70's.

She could have been old enough to have a baby off island and pre-purge, say in the early 80's.....the Katester is in her early 20's on 2004 Lost? (27 i think i read in 'real-life')

They never said just when the purge was, but Benry was fully grown, at least in his mid to late 20's, so it had to be in the mid 80's at the earliest. Any fix on the purge date?

If Harper died in the Purge Juliette wouldn't know her.

I'm aware of the timeline, and wasn't suggesting that she may have died in the Purge. It would have to have happened later. :)

For information there's an interesting thread elsewhere suggesting that Harper may well have been an original DI member. Just trying to find the thread again, but I'm struggling. Screencaps have been posted showing that Harper's certificate(s) of pschology are either Dharma- or Hanso-approved, suggesting that she is the second surviving DI member we have seen. I reckon she's dead though. Just my theory.

I'm with you and others on the 'death in childbirth' line.

Here's a screencap showing Harper's certificate...

http://images.quickblogcast.com/115350-107656/Hanso.jpg

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I guess what I did in my mind was to think that he felt remorse for killing Annie during the purge when he was looking at the doll. I kinda thought he was pondering the extreme price he would pay for the island.

That is an excellent point. I vaguely remember having that same feeling as he held the doll, but later wondered if she had in fact died in the purge or if her family had long ago left the island. I think either theory works she looks like Annie or Ben's mother, but I personally think it will be his mother. I am guessing they left it up in the air so that we would debate exactly this topic.

Here's a screencap showing Harper's certificate...

http://images.quickblogcast.com/115350-107656/Hanso.jpg

Thank you very much :)

So, she's Hanso-conneected. I'm not sure if that also means that she's Dharma-connected.

Thank you very much :)

So, she's Hanso-conneected. I'm not sure if that also means that she's Dharma-connected.

Anytime ;)

I always thought that Ben was not the only DI person who was "smart" enough to "choose the right side". I think, in The Man Behind The Curtain, he already hinted this. He told Locke that he was "one of the smart people", or something like that. (Good to know some other posters on this board agree with this. They are discussing it in another thread, and now I can't find the link!)

Ben has started a rebel against DI, and it's possible that some other Dharma kids, who probably got their own daddy/mommy issues, were supporting his ideas. The initiative's next generation became Ben's disciples. Isn't it like that in the real life? Remember May 1968 student riots? :biggrin:

I also believe that Annie was alive and helping Ben during the purge maybe as his co-leader. This is why Harper seemed to know her well. "You look just like her"... "I don't mean your blonde hair or blue eyes, but your stance as a strong and self-confident woman"?

I also believe that Annie was alive and helping Ben during the purge maybe as his co-leader. This is why Harper seemed to know her well. "You look just like her"
That's cool about the certificate. So, given the certificate, I think Harper must have been DI, which means she would have known Annie before she died, so she would know all about Ben and Annie. So that makes sense with Annie dying pre-purge.

I thought this was pretty interesting. Apparently there are 2 versions of the "Woman with the Hamster" painting. I'm assuming its a simular situation to when they switched the Penny photo image, but it's freaky none the less.

Original: http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w78/fishbiscuit_photos/The%20Other%20Woman/Benpainting3.jpg

Latest: http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

I thought this was pretty interesting. Apparently there are 2 versions of the "Woman with the Hamster" painting. I'm assuming its a simular situation to when they switched the Penny photo image, but it's freaky none the less.

Original: http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w78/fishbiscuit_photos/The%20Other%20Woman/Benpainting3.jpg

Latest: http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

Selene, do you know where that promo photo originated? It definitely wasn't shown in the epi itself, so I'm curious as to why they would release it. It looks like a different woman, and maybe she's older, too? I'm not sure.

At any rate, I thought the original painting looked a little like Karen DeGroot (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-737-205.html). It would make sense that there might be paintings of her popping up on the Island. I thought it was a hamster she was holding, but I like that it might be a guinea pig, seeing as how she made guinea pigs of most of the DI.

Ben's thinking that Zack and Emma would forget about their mother in time, and that he wanted Juliet to help them, makes me wonder if young Ben found someone else to look up to as a mother figure. Maybe Karen DeGroot? Just my guess.

The painting was shown in Ben's room (The Man From Tallahassee, The Other Woman-while Ben and Locke watching Red Sox tape-). It also was in Roger Linus' home (The Man Behind The Curtain FB) and that's what I totally forgot. Actually, I haven't noticed that there were two versions of it, until Selene posted them. Since it was in Roger's house, the woman in the painting can't be Annie but Ben's mom (possibly).

My post didn't show up, do they hold them to view links? I posted a link to the picture from Ben's house hanging in his fathers house when he was young. That seems to indicate that the painting is of his mother.

Just a little note about hair colour.
For those saying it can't be Annie because she had darker hair, remember that Charlotte had blonde hair in her flashbacks but red hair on the island. Hair colour can change. I'm sure there are little boxes of Dharma Peroxide lying around somewhere.

***Mod edited*** I don't find Juliet attractive at ALL. ***Mod edited***

I think "her" is probablly Ben's mother. He struck me as a bit obsessed with her in his flashback. All this angst for the mother he never had. He might want to claim Juliet for that purpose rather than a sexual one.

I think that there are probably a few other hold-overs from the DI who are now Others. However, I think that Annie must have died in childbirth before the purge, and that that was one of the things to push him over the edge into genocidal... maniacy? maniacness? well, um... lunacy.
how about "mania"? (i.e., the root of maniac, manicacness, maniacy, etc) :biggrin:

The painting was shown in Ben's room (The Man From Tallahassee, The Other Woman-while Ben and Locke watching Red Sox tape-). It also was in Roger Linus' home (The Man Behind The Curtain FB) and that's what I totally forgot. Actually, I haven't noticed that there were two versions of it, until Selene posted them. Since it was in Roger's house, the woman in the painting can't be Annie but Ben's mom (possibly).Thank you for responding for me.

My post didn't show up, do they hold them to view links? I posted a link to the picture from Ben's house hanging in his fathers house when he was young. That seems to indicate that the painting is of his mother.I don't think so. Sometimes when the site is very busy though it's real hard to get any posts to go through. I'd love to see your link though.

Im thinking its his mom. He did follow an image of his mom and went to kill an entire group of people from there on. Mommy means alot to ben


I think it is his mom too, Annie had dark hair and Juliet does look alot like Ben's mother:undecide:

Thank you for responding for me.

I don't think so. Sometimes when the site is very busy though it's real hard to get any posts to go through. I'd love to see your link though.

It was weird when I posted, it did not show up so I entered it again and it told me No duplicate posts. I'll try one more time for that link.

Ok, here goes the link again.
http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/painting-lady-is-ben-mother-emily.html

If Juliet reminded Ben of his mom, wouldn't that put you off flirting with her?
I mean, I'd never flirt with a girl that reminded me of my mother!! lol

So my bet is Annie

If Juliet reminded Ben of his mom, wouldn't that put you off flirting with her?
I mean, I'd never flirt with a girl that reminded me of my mother!! lol

So my bet is Annie


You probably know your mother. Ben never knew his she is simply a picture to him and he was raised by a horrible father. He probably looked at photos of his mom and thought about how different his life would have been if she had lived. I am sure he does not specifically think of Juliet as his mother, but more along the line of his mother was wonderful and he never knew her- Juliet reminds him of his mother therefore she herself must be wonderful.......

You probably know your mother. Ben never knew his she is simply a picture to him and he was raised by a horrible father. He probably looked at photos of his mom and thought about how different his life would have been if she had lived. I am sure he does not specifically think of Juliet as his mother, but more along the line of his mother was wonderful and he never knew her- Juliet reminds him of his mother therefore she herself must be wonderful.......

I agree "her" is Mom & in some wharped sense of redemption he brings Juilet to the island, a fertility doc to save the women but as we now know it wasn't a purely unselfish act on Ben's part. Ben definitely has "issues" & is in need of therapy.

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Juliet could stop traffic! Wish I looked that good! Gee, you are a litttle picky, don't you think? Ok, more like DREAMING. Not all woman have an anorexic, chicken leg, could blow away in a small wind, type body.

If Juliet reminded Ben of his mom, wouldn't that put you off flirting with her?
I mean, I'd never flirt with a girl that reminded me of my mother!! lol

So my bet is Annie

You forget you are NORMAL and Ben is a psychopath! :biggrin:

I agree "her" is Mom & in some wharped sense of redemption he brings Juilet to the island, a fertility doc to save the women but as we now know it wasn't a purely unselfish act on Ben's part. Ben definitely has "issues" & is in need of therapy.

And after the sessions are over (obviously with a God-complex he would see no need) Ben would have to kill the therapist to keep him/her from looking for the Island. Oh, excuse me he would have Sayid kill her. Sayid would first, of course, fall in love with her/him and cry about it while eating ice cream. :undecide: :biggrin:

how about "mania"? (i.e., the root of maniac, manicacness, maniacy, etc) :biggrin:
Oh, right, "mania".:redface:

Anyway, how would Harper even know what Ben's mother looked like? Did he invite her over for ham, and say, "by the way, that's my dead mother in the painting. I killed her by being born?" It's gotta be Annie.

Oh, right, "mania".:redface:

Anyway, how would Harper even know what Ben's mother looked like? Did he invite her over for ham, and say, "by the way, that's my dead mother in the painting. I killed her by being born?" It's gotta be Annie.

I bet she has been in his house before and has seen the painting. It's in a prominent location in his house. If I saw it, ask about it---- esp.seeing her holding the guniea pig/hamster. Not very often you see a rodent being held in someone's lap in a portrait. :biggrin:
Then take into account, Harper is a therapist. I imagine they talked about Mommy and Daddy issues.

Ok, here goes the link again.
http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/painting-lady-is-ben-mother-emily.htmlThis link proves it CAN'T be Annie. ...Unless she's been time travelling. :biggrin:

You probably know your mother. Ben never knew his she is simply a picture to him and he was raised by a horrible father. He probably looked at photos of his mom and thought about how different his life would have been if she had lived. I am sure he does not specifically think of Juliet as his mother, but more along the line of his mother was wonderful and he never knew her- Juliet reminds him of his mother therefore she herself must be wonderful.......I'm sure its totally unconscious anyway. I doubt he said to himself, "She looks like Mommy, I must have her!"

I bet she has been in his house before and has seen the painting. It's in a prominent location in his house. If I saw it, ask about it---- esp.seeing her holding the guniea pig/hamster. Not very often you see a rodent being held in someone's lap in a portrait. :biggrin:
Then take into account, Harper is a therapist. I imagine they talked about Mommy and Daddy issues.Totally. :thumbsup:

Anyway, Ben might not be attracted to Juliet in a romantic kind of way, if she reminded him of his mom maybe he just wants to take care of her, and not let anything bad happen to her. That's why he didn't want her to be with Goodwin, 'cause Ben doesn't want her to get pregnant.

I bet she has been in his house before and has seen the painting. It's in a prominent location in his house. If I saw it, ask about it---- esp.seeing her holding the guniea pig/hamster. Not very often you see a rodent being held in someone's lap in a portrait. :biggrin:
Then take into account, Harper is a therapist. I imagine they talked about Mommy and Daddy issues.
Or they may have just had a friendly conversation, about their backgrounds, where they're from, families back home etc. So it's not unlikely that at some point Ben mentioned that he never knew his mother because she died when he was a baby. He doesn't need to go into all the details if he doesn't want to. And if Harper noticed her in the painting, Ben might be inclined to show her a photo of her as well.
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I'm sure its totally unconscious anyway. I doubt he said to himself, "She looks like Mommy, I must have her!"

Absolutely correct. Over the course of his life I'm sure he's thought about the type of girl/woman he'd like to be with, so he has some vision in his mind. And it's very possible this vision has been (perhaps unconsciously) influenced by what he knows about his mother (i.e., what she looks like) and by what he imagines she was like.

Or they may have just had a friendly conversation, about their backgrounds, where they're from, families back home etc. So it's not unlikely that at some point Ben mentioned that he never knew his mother because she died when he was a baby. He doesn't need to go into all the details if he doesn't want to.If Harper somehow lived through the Dharma purge (as shown by her diploma) she might already know all the ugly details anyway.

I think in due course we will get a Ben flashback, with some love interest on the island. I get the feeling something tragic will happen to her, maybe even at the hands of Ben who knows...

If Harper somehow lived through the Dharma purge (as shown by her diploma) she might already know all the ugly details anyway.
Good point

Oh, right, "mania".:redface:

Anyway, how would Harper even know what Ben's mother looked like? Did he invite her over for ham, and say, "by the way, that's my dead mother in the painting. I killed her by being born?" It's gotta be Annie.

Good point, however, I think this is where smokey comes in. Smokey has manifested in several forms including Ben's mother. Ben even talked to her. Nothing is impossible on LOST! Guess we will soon find out!

OK, I think I am changing my mind here. I think that the "Her" might actually be Annie and not his mother as I had previously believed. Here is what I am thinking and it does hinge on the painting of his mother. For those who pointed out that the face changed on the painting- here is what I am now thinking. As a kid there was a painting in Roger's house as his mother. Ben, the freak that he is had Annie as an adult pose in the exact same manner for an NEW portrait- that is why the face changed! Maybe they did grow up and get married and she did die in childbirth- thus his feeling entitled to steal Alex.........

Per the enhanced episode, apparently Stanhope's "you look just like her" comment to Juliet refers to Annie. Some people thought it might have been Ben's mother, not Annie.

Per the enhanced episode, apparently Stanhope's "you look just like her" comment to Juliet refers to Annie. Some people thought it might have been Ben's mother, not Annie.

Hmmm, has not aired here yet, but I just amended my beliefs in a different thread to reflect that it might be Annie- I figured that might be why the the painting changed.

Hmmm, has not aired here yet, but I just amended my beliefs in a different thread to reflect that it might be Annie- I figured that might be why the the painting changed.

One of the benefits of living in the Eastern time zone is seeing Lost before the rest of the country! Last season I lived in the Central t.z. and felt like I was missing out. :biggrin:

Many threads already about this same matter, please post into the other ones instead of starting yet another one.

I don't see the resemblance between Emily and Juliet at all. they both have
bleached hair.

I have red hair. I guess that means I look like the red haired freighter gal. (rolling eyes)

I have no idea who "her" is, and I'm not ruling out Ben's mom. I just don't think they
look alike.

loraho - Thanks for the information.

Many threads already about this same matter, please post into the other ones instead of starting yet another one.

This thread was started by MinnieVanMommie on 7 March as a direct result of the line in The Other Woman. From searching the forums, there don't appear to be any other threads discussing who "her" is specifically. There are some Annie threads, but they don't stretch anywhere close to the length of this one, and they don't seem to be discussing who "her" is in great detail. We've now had "her" confirmed via the enhanced episode, and it would seem appropriate to post the information into this thread.

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loraho - Thanks for the information.



This thread was started by MinnieVanMommie on 7 March as a direct result of the line in The Other Woman. From searching the forums, there don't appear to be any other threads discussing who "her" is specifically. There are some Annie threads, but they don't stretch anywhere close to the length of this one, and they don't seem to be discussing who "her" is in great detail. We've now had "her" confirmed via the enhanced episode, and it would seem appropriate to post the information into this thread.

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The thread i wrote to has been merged to this one.

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BTW, OP forgot to add her regular "discuss!".

Then my apologies

We've now had "her" confirmed via the enhanced episode,

MI missed that. Who did they confirm as her?

Annie, apparently. loraho posted the info above. I don't think we get the enhanced epis here though :(

does anyone notice she looks a lot like Penny? if you take a look at the episode prior, The Constant, J looks a lot like Penny- face wise- similar features.

does anyone notice she looks a lot like Penny? if you take a look at the episode prior, The Constant, J looks a lot like Penny- face wise- similar features.

Could Annie be Penny?????? That would explain why Widmore knows of the island and approximately where it is! I am just really unsure of the Age difference between Ben and Penny, Juliet, Kate, Harlow and anyone else who has been thought to be Annie at one point or another. Of course if Annie is dead then all those guesses are meaningless.

I have a very strong feeling that Juliette is a triple agent working for Widmore. She looks like "her" (Annie I'm thinking) or a wife that died in childbirth. Widmore knows she looks like her & sends her in to get close to Ben. When they saw Juliette at the Tempest it was strange how they said "Juliette what are you doing here?"