I saw a lot of parallels between the Old Testament account of David and Uriah and the relationship of Ben and Goodwin. In the Bible, David is having an affair with Uriah's wife, Bathesheba. David is so enamored by Bathsheba that he sends Uriah to fight on the front lines of a battle. Essentially, David sends Uriah off to war to be killed so he could have Bathsheba to himself. Is this not exactly what Ben did to Goodwin? I certainly think it is.

Does this mean Jack is going to act as Nathan (who rebuked David for his actions) and put Ben in his place? I hope so. I truly dislike Ben.

I don't see Jack so much as a Nathan. Jack and Ben are definite enemies. Without breaking out the Good Book I would think when Ben sends Goodwin to the front - so ends the David/Bethsheba parallel.;)

With Sayid "working" for Ben in the future it may be all the O6 work for him in some capacity or owe their rescue to him. (we don't know that yet)

Especially with our character reveal coming up next week!! Could be that's the "deal" that's made for them to leave the Island.

I saw a lot of parallels between the Old Testament account of David and Uriah and the relationship of Ben and Goodwin. In the Bible, David is having an affair with Uriah's wife, Bathesheba. David is so enamored by Bathsheba that he sends Uriah to fight on the front lines of a battle. Essentially, David sends Uriah off to war to be killed so he could have Bathsheba to himself. Is this not exactly what Ben did to Goodwin? I certainly think it is.

Does this mean Jack is going to act as Nathan (who rebuked David for his actions) and put Ben in his place? I hope so. I truly dislike Ben.

very interesting theory..i didnt think of that and i probably should have. i just recently finished a class on the OT and know that the producers do not hesitate incorporating the OT in lost. good stuff!

Good point gradyboy. I don't think Jack will be Nathan. There already was a Nathan on this show. Goodwyn killed him! ;)

Good point gradyboy. I don't think Jack will be Nathan. There already was a Nathan on this show. Goodwyn killed him! ;)

.....nerdy Bible/Lost scholar laughter...:biggrin:

Don't know if there's necessarily anything substantive here, but there are a couple of biblical/mythological allusions I caught in tonight's episode... I don't know if they're significant, but if anyone else sees anything, pick this up and run with it.

1) Ben sending Goodwin to the "front lines" like he did (i.e., into the Taillies camp) reminded me of the biblical story where King David sent Uriah the Hittite to the front lines of battle to get rid of him, since David was sleeping with Uriah's wife. (2 Samuel 11)

2) Ben's willingness to "go to war" to keep Juliet to himself reminded me of Helen of Troy.

Thoughts?

Don't know if there's necessarily anything substantive here, but there are a couple of biblical/mythological allusions I caught in tonight's episode... I don't know if they're significant, but if anyone else sees anything, pick this up and run with it.

1) Ben sending Goodwin to the "front lines" like he did (i.e., into the Taillies camp) reminded me of the biblical story where King David sent Uriah the Hittite to the front lines of battle to get rid of him, since David was sleeping with Uriah's wife. (2 Samuel 11)

2) Ben's willingness to "go to war" to keep Juliet to himself reminded me of Helen of Troy.

Thoughts?

Good thoughts. The second one is too ambiguous. I dont think Juliet is in Ben's equation when he goes to attempt to stop Jack and the Losties from contacting the freighter in TTLG. He doesn't have to because his primary motive is the island so if he can get the losties to fight the freighties then he wins both ways. And as we know half the group decided to stay.

There's something VERY biblical about Ben's story line IMO. The story of Ben in the bible is--
Benjamin, was the twelfth and youngest son of Jacob. His mother was Rachel, Jacob's wife. His mother Rachel named him "Ben-oni," meaning "Son of my sorrow," before she died during the childbirth, but Jacob called him Benjamin.
When Jacob blesses his 12 sons, in Genesis 49, he describes Benjamin as a wolf that prowls, devouring his enemies in the morning and dividing up the spoils in the evening. (Genesis 49:27).
After the division of the Kingdom, the land of Benjamin served as a buffer zone between Israel and Judah. The name Benjamin means "Son of my right hand."

As for the Helen of Troy reference, I think that's pretty true... but then again, there have been lots of fights over woman in the past... and (IMO again), I don't think Juliet even holds light to Helen of Troy!! :grin:

Thanks for sharing the biblical story of Benjamin! Very interesting when looking at it through the LOST lens...

There's something VERY biblical about Ben's story line IMO. The story of Ben in the bible is--


As for the Helen of Troy reference, I think that's pretty true... but then again, there have been lots of fights over woman in the past... and (IMO again), I don't think Juliet even holds light to Helen of Troy!! :grin:


very interesting

also here:

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=91239

In the Old Testament book of Second Samuel, Chapter 11 there is a story about how King David fell in love with the wife of another man, who was named Uriah. David happened to spy Uriah's wife while she was bathing, and fell in love with her charms. When he discovered that she was the wife of Uriah, who was one of his best and most loyal soldiers, he sent a letter to one of his generals, named Joab, to have Uriah killed in battle. Here's the quote:

"And he wrote in the letter, saying, Set ye Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle, and retire ye from him, that he may be smitten, and die."

David then took Uriah's wife to be his own, and she bore him a son.

Anyway, this story seems to resonate a little with this episode. David sent Uriah on a mission in order for him to be killed, and Ben sent Goodwin away on a mission (and kept him there) in order for him to be killed.

David's act proved his undoing, because when the prophet Nathan discovered what had happened, he cursed David and his house. The son of David and Uriah's widow was cursed by God and became very sickly.

This made me think of this Bible quotation from John 18.36

"My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over..."

Now perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but I've been wondering all along this season why Richard, etc. haven't even seemed to care about what happened to Ben. Then he says that line last night about if his people wanted to help him then they would have stormed the compound (or something like that).

And obviously Ben does not think his kingdom is of the [real] world. He wants no part of that real world. He's trying to save them (himself) from it.

Hm, I think Ben was just throwing Locke off by suggesting that his people have given up on him. We know that he told his people to head for the temple and that he would contact them. He also seems to have communicated with Harper. No, I think this and that 'this is my last bargaining chip' thing was bull, just meant to make him look less threatening.

I don't know why Locke let Ben go, he could easily summon his people now or shoot John again. Who knows what Ben has lying around that village, and Locke just let's him walk around free-ridiculous.

This made me think of this Bible quotation from John 18.36

"My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over..."

Now perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but I've been wondering all along this season why Richard, etc. haven't even seemed to care about what happened to Ben. Then he says that line last night about if his people wanted to help him then they would have stormed the compound (or something like that).

And obviously Ben does not think his kingdom is of the [real] world. He wants no part of that real world. He's trying to save them (himself) from it.

Now, I know hella-nothing about the bible. Just don't tell my Dad who paid for Catholic School for me.

Super interesting quote. Does anyone know anything about John frlom the bible? I think I remember that he washed Jesus's feet?? Maybe? :eek2:

That's deep. All I was thinking is that he's just playing some more with his little chew toy and lying to Locke. Because it's easy and for someone like Ben, probably fun too.

I don't know why Locke let Ben go, he could easily summon his people now or shoot John again. Who knows what Ben has lying around that village, and Locke just let's him walk around free-ridiculous.


Locke and Ben are playing mind games and have been since they first met.

Hella-woah!

I really like your theory!! Nice observation!!

Super interesting quote. Does anyone know anything about John frlom the bible?

I can tell you Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond) played Jesus in the movie "The Gospel of John." :biggrin:

I can tell you Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond) played Jesus in the movie "The Gospel of John." :biggrin:
He was good too. Except when he walked. He has kind of a distinctive 20th century swagger.