I found this interesting. I've still got issues over her not seeming to be grieving at all for Charlie, but putting that aside for the moment, she asked to speak with Miles. She said she thought she may have better luck than Locke did to find out who these people are. Fair enough, she doesn't know that Miles can speak to the dead, but this was so out of left field that I wonder if they're not setting something up. We've seen zero from Claire with regards to whether she's missing Charlie or even thinking about him so far.

Our own CharliesHoodie recently wrote a fanfic in which she proposed that Miles would surprise Claire by telling her that he doesn't sense Charlie's spirit anywhere on the island. Whether that actually happens or not is pure speculation (so don't flame us for suggesting it :) ), but I was shocked to at least see the groundwork being laid here for such a meeting to take place. Why Claire of all people to want to see Miles? It just feels like the writers are going somewhere with this and they want to bring those two together. Maybe they are saving Claire's story for the episode where that meeting happens, and maybe we will learn something surprising. Just saying. If nothing else, Charlie may use Miles to send her a message from the beyond or whereever 'dead but also here' is. Either way, I think (read: hope) it will provide us with some answers as to how Charlie got there in Hurley's future.

I hope Claire gets her chance to interact/communicate with Miles. Two characters from two completely different worlds...imagine the possibilities,especially in terms of dialog.
Claire's so cute and sweet that I don't think even Miles could get all smartalek with her.

... is something I would really like to see. Not only can she play "good cop," but with Miles' penchant for the ladies, he may just want to spill the beans to her! I really hope this happens next week. Claire would also be honoring Charlie's sacrifice in a way (even without the mourning process people have been wanting to see) but trying to figure out the meaning of the message he left them.

I so hope Claire gets to talk to him, it would be one of the rare moments when Claire isnt just a background character and I think it would be really interesting. I dunno if it would work on Miles though, maybe if they had Daniel, he'd probably buckle for cute little Claire.

... is something I would really like to see. Not only can she play "good cop," but with Miles' penchant for the ladies, he may just want to spill the beans to her! I really hope this happens next week. Claire would also be honoring Charlie's sacrifice in a way (even without the mourning process people have been wanting to see) but trying to figure out the meaning of the message he left them.


I have been desperately wanting more Claire scenes since season one. I think it would be awesome to give her more screen time, show she is strong and we see her mourn Charlies death properly. I hope we see it. *fingers crossed*

Claire interrogating Miles by diaper changing Aaron in front of him...

but this was so out of left field that I wonder if they're not setting something up. Yeah I thought it was a little far out as well. :shrug: They probably just want to give her more screen time before / if (pure speculation) they plan to kill her off so Kate can take Aaron, etc...

I dunno. I can't even picture it. I was much more dissapointed in Claire this episode than in Eggtown. She had no sadness when Charlie was mentioned.

I dunno. I can't even picture it. I was much more dissapointed in Claire this episode than in Eggtown. She had no sadness when Charlie was mentioned.

Yeah, Hurley showed a heck of a lot more remorse over Libby's death than Claire has over Charlie.

Locke told her it wasn't going to happen.

I could picture cute little Clair beating him over the head with something and getting some REAL awnsers outta him, and Miles caving like a totaly woosie spilling everything he knows.

Ahh...I do hope it's true. No, Claire doesn't know about Miles' powers. But it would be pretty easy for Claire to let Charlie's name slip when she brings up what she knows about Miles and his people. "My friend Charlie said you people were etc. etc." Miles finds out Charlie is dead, and then the rest plays out.

It was such a random scene. I hope it wasn't just a filler thing.

Maybe Christian Sheppard could communicate through Miles to Claire that she has a half-bro on the Island..............:rolleyes:

Interesting theory! I think that would be great if it plays out this way. It did seem odd that Claire would want to speak to Miles. I also hope it wasn't a filler just to get Claire some screentime. Definitely something to keep an eye on.

Well we'll see what happens when there's the revolution of Claire, Sawyer and Hurley.

Maybe Christian Sheppard could communicate through Miles to Claire that she has a half-bro on the Island..............:rolleyes:

Yeah! Forget Charlie! Pssht.

Interesting theory! I think that would be great if it plays out this way. It did seem odd that Claire would want to speak to Miles. I also hope it wasn't a filler just to get Claire some screentime. Definitely something to keep an eye on.

Filler scenes anger me. Especially ones that can be turned into something cool and significant.

And...Miles is in need of assistance, as we saw, like...two episodes ago. Someone other than Locke needs to come in and help him out. I can't really see Claire handling a grenade...to be completely honest.

If nothing else, Claire's implication was that Locke has not been doing a very effective job getting to the bottom of this freighter business. Maybe foreshadowing a mutiny in Lockeville.

Yeah, poor Miles has had a grenade in his mouth for 2 whole episodes! lol. ;)

Okay, well certainly Claire's scene wasn't just filler. It was the set-up for Ben talking about the revolution against Locke.

I like your ideas and hopes, PJ. I was really really surprised by Claire's lack of sadness this episode (much more than in Eggtown). When they talk briefly about Charlie she just seemed angry, not upset. So maybe there is a reason for this? Maybe she really doesn't believe Charlie is dead? Maybe she is having visions of Charlie too?... maybe vision Charlie has told Claire that he can talk to Miles .... so she wants to talk to Miles too.... ?

lol now I've taken your theory and run! ;)

I agree. They have to be going somewhere with Claire asking to see Miles. That just doesn't seem like something Claire would do. If she does see Miles, I wonder if she plans to take the baby with her.

I agree Claire just seemed angry. Which I can totally understand. But we just haven't seen enough of what's going on with her to really get where she's coming from. That's just a bit frustrating.

I hope that scene wasn't for Locke's benefit. Her scenes in Eggtown were for Kate's benefit. This has to stop.

I'd like to see that scene written in, that would really be cool.

Yeah, the effrontery of Claire suggesting she would have more influence than Locke! ha!
That is how I think Locke would see it, he is so insecure! now Ben has him again! gah!!

Am I the only one who expects the scene between the two of them to happen? It wasn't hard for Kate to find out where Miles is. Claire could easily get to him. She just needs to stop asking for permission. I really saw the scene as set up for a future episode. :confused: I think it could be great - she'd be an excellent good cop, particularly given Miles' penchant for the ladies.

I hadn't thought of him communicating with the dead for her. That would be interesting!

I don't think this scene with Claire and John was just "filler". The action has been picking up, and they have a finite number of episodes, so the story really needs to move along now. A meeting between Claire and Miles is inevitable--bringing a guy with his kind of abilities has to be used in some powerful ways story-wise. We have to get something about the impact that Charlies' death has had on Claire at some point. She is not made of stone is she???

Great thought that Miles may not sense that Charlie is swimming with the fishes (so to speak)...

If nothing else, Claire's implication was that Locke has not been doing a very effective job getting to the bottom of this freighter business. Maybe foreshadowing a mutiny in Lockeville.

I thought the juxtaposition with the scene where Ben asks Locke if "the revolution's afoot yet" did precisely that... and this scene with Claire and Locke was merely meant to underscore that, and set up Locke running to Ben for help... but... I like the theorizing going on so far on this thread... that maybe a Miles/Claire meetup will lead into some Charlie or Shephard Sr. stuff.

I found this interesting. I've still got issues over her not seeming to be grieving at all for Charlie, but putting that aside for the moment, she asked to speak with Miles. She said she thought she may have better luck than Locke did to find out who these people are. Fair enough, she doesn't know that Miles can speak to the dead, but this was so out of left field that I wonder if they're not setting something up. We've seen zero from Claire with regards to whether she's missing Charlie or even thinking about him so far.

Our own CharliesHoodie recently wrote a fanfic in which she proposed that Miles would surprise Claire by telling her that he doesn't sense Charlie's spirit anywhere on the island. Whether that actually happens or not is pure speculation (so don't flame us for suggesting it :) ), but I was shocked to at least see the groundwork being laid here for such a meeting to take place. Why Claire of all people to want to see Miles? It just feels like the writers are going somewhere with this and they want to bring those two together. Maybe they are saving Claire's story for the episode where that meeting happens, and maybe we will learn something surprising. Just saying. If nothing else, Charlie may use Miles to send her a message from the beyond or whereever 'dead but also here' is. Either way, I think (read: hope) it will provide us with some answers as to how Charlie got there in Hurley's future.

Claire is into astrology, Miles can speak to the dead, I think we're heading for another storyline.

I like your ideas and hopes, PJ. I was really really surprised by Claire's lack of sadness this episode (much more than in Eggtown). When they talk briefly about Charlie she just seemed angry, not upset. So maybe there is a reason for this? Maybe she really doesn't believe Charlie is dead? Maybe she is having visions of Charlie too?... maybe vision Charlie has told Claire that he can talk to Miles .... so she wants to talk to Miles too.... ?

lol now I've taken your theory and run! ;)

Look at you go! :biggrin: I wish I could say there was more to her lack of emotion over Charlie though, but I'm afraid I'm now convinced that Emilie is just not up to the task. It would be up to her to put just a hint of sadness in her voice when talking about Charlie. It's as if he's still in the camp. Just weird. And I hated the way she said, "All Charlie said was who's boat it isn't." Like, yeah Charlie, you may have died so she could be rescued, but what have you done for her lately? It was kind of obnoxious. But then Claire was guilty of that even when Charlie was alive. I was just hoping his death might evoke some real feelings from her. Guess not.


I hope that scene wasn't for Locke's benefit. Her scenes in Eggtown were for Kate's benefit. This has to stop.

ITA, if that's all it was.

Am I the only one who expects the scene between the two of them to happen? It wasn't hard for Kate to find out where Miles is. Claire could easily get to him. She just needs to stop asking for permission. I really saw the scene as set up for a future episode. :confused: I think it could be great - she'd be an excellent good cop, particularly given Miles' penchant for the ladies.

I hadn't thought of him communicating with the dead for her. That would be interesting!

You're not the only one. That's why I started this thread! :biggrin: I think they're going somewhere with this. I just hope it involves Miles' superpowers.


I don't think this scene with Claire and John was just "filler". The action has been picking up, and they have a finite number of episodes, so the story really needs to move along now. A meeting between Claire and Miles is inevitable--bringing a guy with his kind of abilities has to be used in some powerful ways story-wise. We have to get something about the impact that Charlies' death has had on Claire at some point. She is not made of stone is she???

Thus far I would have to say yes. Stone. Or granite. I still need the writers to change my mind on that and they're dropping the freaking ball. :undecide:

But Hurley's just as bad. Wh00t! I won at horseshoes! I'm lucky! My girlfriend and best friend just died back to back, the numbers are cursed, but I'm lucky! WTF?

Great thought that Miles may not sense that Charlie is swimming with the fishes (so to speak)...

Thanks! So it's not just me then? 'twould be a cool reveal...

I hope it is leading where some of us think it is leading, because Claire desperately needs a good storyline like she's had in the past (see season 1 for reference, lol). I don't know who the last episode of this pod, as I'm unspoiled (and have a good sense of who has the next one) but I would LOVE it if Claire gets the episode. If she got a real juicy storyline with a cliffhanger, that would make me very happy.

I found this interesting. I've still got issues over her not seeming to be grieving at all for Charlie, but putting that aside for the moment, she asked to speak with Miles. She said she thought she may have better luck than Locke did to find out who these people are. Fair enough, she doesn't know that Miles can speak to the dead, but this was so out of left field that I wonder if they're not setting something up. We've seen zero from Claire with regards to whether she's missing Charlie or even thinking about him so far.

Our own CharliesHoodie recently wrote a fanfic in which she proposed that Miles would surprise Claire by telling her that he doesn't sense Charlie's spirit anywhere on the island. Whether that actually happens or not is pure speculation (so don't flame us for suggesting it :) ), but I was shocked to at least see the groundwork being laid here for such a meeting to take place. Why Claire of all people to want to see Miles? It just feels like the writers are going somewhere with this and they want to bring those two together. Maybe they are saving Claire's story for the episode where that meeting happens, and maybe we will learn something surprising. Just saying. If nothing else, Charlie may use Miles to send her a message from the beyond or whereever 'dead but also here' is. Either way, I think (read: hope) it will provide us with some answers as to how Charlie got there in Hurley's future.

I would love for this to happen. They IMHO after all this owe the C/C shippers, Charlie fans and Claire fans atleast that much after how they have handled this mess about his death. It also mirros Claire believing in the supernatural and speaking with Psychics and might give CC shippers the closure they need.

Look at you go! :biggrin: I wish I could say there was more to her lack of emotion over Charlie though, but I'm afraid I'm now convinced that Emilie is just not up to the task. It would be up to her to put just a hint of sadness in her voice when talking about Charlie. It's as if he's still in the camp. Just weird. And I hated the way she said, "All Charlie said was who's boat it isn't." Like, yeah Charlie, you may have died so she could be rescued, but what have you done for her lately? It was kind of obnoxious. But then Claire was guilty of that even when Charlie was alive. I was just hoping his death might evoke some real feelings from her. Guess not.
Yeah that very well could be it. Which stinks.


But Hurley's just as bad. Wh00t! I won at horseshoes! I'm lucky! My girlfriend and best friend just died back to back, the numbers are cursed, but I'm lucky! WTF?

:lol: I think that will need to be listed in the T-Shirt Worthy thread.

heh, claire would be just the type of torturer to use something as diabolical as a feather. ^.^

Locke said it wasn't going to happen, but he also told Kate no, and we saw how that turned out. I think people are going to get tired of hearing "no" all of the time.

I think Claire's going to put Aaron for a nap and sneak out for a bit. It wouldn't be too difficult for her to find where he is, and I think out of everyone, she'd have the best way of getting info from him. She's not intimidating, she'd probably be really nice and emotional about it. (Hopefully we'd finally see some more emotion over Charlie) I have a feeling that Miles wont be able to say no...

I dunno. I can't even picture it. I was much more dissapointed in Claire this episode than in Eggtown. She had no sadness when Charlie was mentioned.

Seriously! I just don't get it, and it's making me feel annoyance at Claire instead of the impending dread I should be feeling, considering what we know about Aaron's future whereabouts.

Maybe this explains Claire's reactions.
The five stages of grief are:

1-Denial-"this can't be happening to me", looking for the former spouse in familia places, or if it is death, setting the table for the person or acting as if they are still in living there. No crying. Not accepting or even acknowledging the loss.

2-Anger-"why me?", feelings of wanting to fight back or get even with spouse of divorce, for death, anger at the deceased, blaming them for leaving.

3-Bargaining-bargaining often takes place before the loss. Attempting to make deals with the spouse who is leaving, or attempting to make deals with God to stop or change the loss. Begging, wishing, praying for them to come back.

4-Depression-overwhelming feelings of hopelessness, frustration, bitterness, self pity, mourning loss of person as well as the hopes, dreams and plans for the future. Feeling lack of control, feeling numb. Perhaps feeling suicidal.

5-Acceptance-there is a difference between resignation and acceptance. You have to accept the loss, not just try to bear it quietly. Realization that it takes two to make or break a marriage. Realization that the person is gone (in death) that it is not their fault, they didn't leave you on purpose. (even in cases of suicide, often the deceased person, was not in their right frame of mind) Finding the good that can come out of the pain of loss, finding comfort and healing. Our goals turn toward personal growth. Stay with fond memories of person.

If nothing else, Claire's implication was that Locke has not been doing a very effective job getting to the bottom of this freighter business. Maybe foreshadowing a mutiny in Lockeville.

Judging by the thickness of that file on Widmore, consider the bottom gotten to. And obviously there is a somewhat of a mutiny..Hurley leaves the island and apologizes to Dr. Dipster about going on Team Locke

Oh, there's two of these? Since this one's more active, I'll post my reply from there to here..

Locke said it wasn't going to happen, but he also told Kate no, and we saw how that turned out. I think people are going to get tired of hearing "no" all of the time.

I think Claire's going to put Aaron for a nap and sneak out for a bit. It wouldn't be too difficult for her to find where he is, and I think out of everyone, she'd have the best way of getting info from him. She's not intimidating, she'd probably be really nice and emotional about it. (Hopefully we'd finally see some more emotion over Charlie) I have a feeling that Miles wont be able to say no...

Oh, there's two of these? Since this one's more active, I'll post my reply from there to here..

Locke said it wasn't going to happen, but he also told Kate no, and we saw how that turned out. I think people are going to get tired of hearing "no" all of the time.

I think Claire's going to put Aaron for a nap and sneak out for a bit. It wouldn't be too difficult for her to find where he is, and I think out of everyone, she'd have the best way of getting info from him. She's not intimidating, she'd probably be really nice and emotional about it. (Hopefully we'd finally see some more emotion over Charlie) I have a feeling that Miles wont be able to say no...

Actually, I hope the mods keep both open because this thread is different. In the other one they're talking about Claire's strength as a character for standing up to Locke, but here I'm more interested in exploring the possibilities of an eventual Claire/Miles meeting and what that may mean for the Charlie mystery.

Actually, I hope the mods keep both open because this thread is different. In the other one they're talking about Claire's strength as a character for standing up to Locke, but here I'm more interested in exploring the possibilities of an eventual Claire/Miles meeting and what that may mean for the Charlie mystery.

In that case, I really hope that talking to Miles helps bring forth some sort of emotion on her part, depending on what he says. I didn't really find her being "strong" because Locke's always been pretty nice to her, she's the island mother, he's not going to banish her. Now, if she actually goes against his wishes and sees Miles, gets some info, and actually shows some freaking emotion over Charlie, I'll be impressed.

I find it humorous that Claire is doing exactly what Ben said the "sheep" do. A comment here, a question there, etc. Locke has to wonder how firm his authority is when even Claire is giving him a hard time!

I hope Claire gets an expanded role, but I fear she will remove the grenade from Miles' mouth. She would be easy fodder for Miles.

I find it humorous that Claire is doing exactly what Ben said the "sheep" do. A comment here, a question there, etc. Locke has to wonder how firm his authority is when even Claire is giving him a hard time!

Actually, I thought the implication was that Claire was finally not being a simple sheep. The sheep were playing horseshoes. :rolleyes:

Actually, I thought the implication was that Claire was finally not being a simple sheep. The sheep were playing horseshoes. :rolleyes:

Right, but it ties in with Ben's speech about the perils of leadership.

Right, but it ties in with Ben's speech about the perils of leadership.

Yeah, but getting back to the topic of the thread here, Claire could have demonstrated that by complaining about anything, but she specifically asked to speak to Miles. Doesn't it seem like they're going somewhere with that? :)

Yeah, but getting back to the topic of the thread here, Claire could have demonstrated that by complaining about anything, but she specifically asked to speak to Miles. Doesn't it seem like they're going somewhere with that? :)

Aside from the fact that he's the only Freightie in Camp Locke? I'd like to think that it would lead to some conversation about Charlie, with Miles offering something positive. We'll see.

Wouldn't it made the episode better? Shame the writers didn't see it. Instead Locke lets Ben out.

But Hurley's just as bad. Wh00t! I won at horseshoes! I'm lucky! My girlfriend and best friend just died back to back, the numbers are cursed, but I'm lucky! WTF?

Funny stuff...

Considering Kate is raising Aaron in the FF, it isn't looking too good for ol' Claire. I don't mind her impending demise too much if they keep on the way they are going with her character.

One other thing--if they only wanted to set up the "revolution" scenario prior to the Ben scene, they could have had anyone asking to talk to Miles, like Hurley, Sawyer, even Danielle or Alex, but they do not. They choose Claire to ask in this scene. I think this is significant. They are giving us filler anymore, only substance, and every word seems to be important as it leads to something else.

One other thing--if they only wanted to set up the "revolution" scenario prior to the Ben scene, they could have had anyone asking to talk to Miles, like Hurley, Sawyer, even Danielle or Alex, but they do not. They choose Claire to ask in this scene. I think this is significant. They are giving us filler anymore, only substance, and every word seems to be important as it leads to something else.

That was my feeling exactly. In fact, I could sooner see Sawyer growing a few and stepping up to demand something be done, but he's off playing horseshoes. WTF Claire?? The girl never gets a line unless there's a reason for it.

But I don't think she'll die. Somehow Kate will end up with Aaron and Claire may be presumed dead or missing but I think it will be a fakeout. To destroy that island family so completely and so permanently would just be too tragic to be enjoyable or satisfying storytelling in my opinion. I'm still waiting for the Gotcha moment.

Maybe Claire will go into see Miles, but Miles will break free and drag Claire off as a hostage or something. That would leave Aaron alone. I know it doesn't do much for Claire's girl power but the writers tend to prefer victim!Claire.

I would LOVE to see Sawyer and Hurley leading the revolution. I would, eventually, love to see Sawyer and Claire together. (Of course, Sawyer and Hurley would have to be separated first, since we know Hurley is one of the Six.) Claire would have a tragic edge, reprising Danielle's role as a mother deprived of her child. I love Claire on the rare instances when we see her spirit and backbone. Characters like Claire and Shannon are the ones I can actually relate to personally.

I do agree that we need to see Claire grieving, though, and Miles would be a fantastic vehicle for that. (Just as I had been hoping he would act as a Kate/Wayne go-between, but apparently my imagination got away with me there.)

Maybe Claire will go into see Miles, but Miles will break free and drag Claire off as a hostage or something. That would leave Aaron alone. I know it doesn't do much for Claire's girl power but the writers tend to prefer victim!Claire.

I could see that because when has Claire ever accomplished something important on her own? Even when she went to the staff station, she had Danielle and Kate's help. And the bird she sent with the message was caught by Desmond after she failed to get one with Jin's help. I don't see her doing much other than possibly gaining some information from Miles that matters to her personally (but not to anyone else) and then Miles turning the tables on her.

What I'd like to see is for everyone in Locke's camp (apart from Locke and Ben) to just return to the beach. Claire could go back to her tent, find Charlie's ring, take it to Miles and he could tell her that the owner of the ring isn't dead, he can't hear his soul. So Claire then holds onto the ring with that sliver of hope just like Rose did for Bernard. Then of course, something tragic will appear to happen to Claire but in the end, the big end, PB&J and little turniphead will be reunited.


Claire would have a tragic edge, reprising Danielle's role as a mother deprived of her child. I love Claire on the rare instances when we see her spirit and backbone.


See, a lot of people have said they wanted this, but haven't we learned our lesson form Michael? Each time Claire has lost Aaron she's been reduced to "MY BAYBEEEEEEEE!!!" By the end I was so fed up with "WAAAAAAAAALLLTTTT!!" that I hated Michael and couldn't wait for him to leave the show. They get reduced to one note characters and it's not good television. I would hate to see this.

I wouldn't mind seeing Claire held hostage/in peril again, because this time, I think we would see her really fight back. She's STARTING to become stronger, speaking up when something doesn't seem right. I mean, when was the last time we saw her speak up like that? She took charge in the beginning of S1 when she had lead the burning of the fuselage and reading of the manifest names (but with the help of Hurley and only after Jack refused). I think that if she does go see Miles and he did something to her, she would fight tooth and nail to get back to Aaron. I do hope that this was not a throwaway scene... time will tell....

I wouldn't mind seeing Claire held hostage/in peril again, because this time, I think we would see her really fight back. She's STARTING to become stronger, speaking up when something doesn't seem right. I mean, when was the last time we saw her speak up like that? She took charge in the beginning of S1 when she had lead the burning of the fuselage and reading of the manifest names (but with the help of Hurley and only after Jack refused). I think that if she does go see Miles and he did something to her, she would fight tooth and nail to get back to Aaron. I do hope that this was not a throwaway scene... time will tell....

The problem is what it has cost her character, because now that we're being shown how little Charlie's death has affected her, I no longer care about her.

Claire's scene wasn't just filler. It was the set-up for Ben talking about the revolution against Locke.

Right, but if her character only grows a pair of ovaries for one scene and then retreats into pointlessness again, than the scene IS filler. Hurley or Sawyer could have set up the Ben/Locke scene just as easily, without the unfulfilled promise of character development in someone who could really USE some!

For all that, I thought her idea was solid--a "good cop" approach--and Locke was pretty lame to dismiss it out of hand. But don't get me started on Locke's behavior last night. I'll be here all day.

I agree that there was definitely more than just "filler" involved with Claire's request to meet Miles. I expect this to pan out down the road, and I think it's very plausible that Miles could be a key to understanding more about Charlie. Excellent thought!

The most obvious path for this storyline might be: we have to get to a point where Kate and Aaron get off the island but Claire (for all we can see) does not. The meeting with Miles and Claire's need to find out more about whether he is good or bad (she is definitely waffling on that notion right now) could very well lead us down that path. Maybe Claire will realize the freighties aren't all bad, Locke is crazy (not to mention Ben is now roaming Otherton free) so she will leave his group to be with Jack on the beach. This would suddenly bring her close to Kate, which will likely build to a bond that will make it more plausible for Kate to wind up with Aaron off-island, regardless of what happens to Claire.

The problem is what it has cost her character, because now that we're being shown how little Charlie's death has affected her, I no longer care about her.
I think you're expecting too much grief over Charlie's death :undecide: I agree that I expected more of a reaction out of her, but I think that may just be a casualty of the strike. And even then, like someone above posted, she may just be in the denial stage. The writers aren't THAT neglectful. She'll crack soon enough, more than likely in her usual (and unfortunate) one centric episode of the season.

Then again, I didn't even cry at my own sister's funeral. Maybe Claire just isn't emotional.

This episode was already in the bank before the strike.

Maybe Claire just isn't emotional.

I think you may have a point here. Claire has often struck me as cold, a girl with her barriers up. It's always been unbalanced between Charlie/Claire because Charlie was very hyper emotional around her and wore his heart on his sleeve. It was always obvious how much Charlie felt for her but Claire's feelings for him have never really come to the surface. I thought his death might trigger something though.

Ahh...I do hope it's true. No, Claire doesn't know about Miles' powers. But it would be pretty easy for Claire to let Charlie's name slip when she brings up what she knows about Miles and his people. "My friend Charlie said you people were etc. etc." Miles finds out Charlie is dead, and then the rest plays out.

It was such a random scene. I hope it wasn't just a filler thing.


Okay, I am so happy to know I wasn't the only person who got a hankering that Claire asking to speak to Miles could lead to a very interesting conversation in a upcoming episode.

Like pacejunkie stated, I'm going to put my irritation aside that Claire hasn't been given another scene to grief Charlie, but if the writers can kill two birds with one stone by honoring that relationship with the proper amount of reflection and inject a different element into Claire's storyline besides her sitting around holding Aaron or wailing about her bay-bay...then I'm all for it.

The problem is what it has cost her character, because now that we're being shown how little Charlie's death has affected her, I no longer care about her.

I really think that Claire -- and Hurley, for that matter -- are both in denial over Charlie's death.

I'd like to see a short scene in the near future where Claire and Hurley bring themselves to discuss Charlie's death with one another, and then both emotionally break down at the same time and share a hug and tears over their joint grief.

And eventually, I'd like to see Claire confront Ben and demand to know WHY the Others wanted Aaron so badly in the first place.

Now that Ben is freely prancing around Lockeville, I wonder if Claire might convince Ben to divert Locke's attention for awhile so she can sneak away to have a "chat" with Miles?

Instead of using a grenade, seal Miles to a room with Aarons diapers.

He will talk.

I too am living in the hope that this little Claire denial thing is playing into a much bigger picture, maybe, just maybe the writers know what they are doing here. I am expecting Claire to continue down her fine little path, before coming across something as simpe as a jar of peanut butter and just cracking. Chances are, they're holding out for her centric, but they could have made it a little clearer that she is in denial.
Eggtown was the perfect chance, they could have had Kate bring up Charlie, and Claire instantly dismiss the conversation with a stern "I'm fine, okay?". That would have given us a trust in the writers knowing what they are doing, and banking it for later; instead of giving us nothing to work with but faulse hope.

But then again, for all we know she could be a complete mess behind closed doors; then steps out all fine and dandy. That'd be an interesting storyline, just waiting for her to crack in public.

No, this was definitely not a throwaway scene and I think it will be worked into the story twofold:

1. The rebelion in Team Insane. I would LOVE it if Claire went to Hurley and Sawyer and said: "Look... Locke is off his rocker more than ever. I think we should go figure out what the deal is with Miles" and then her and Hurley could argue a bit over why they chose to go with Locke in the first place and how they're not honoring Charlie's death by just acting like sheep. I'd like to see her being proactive rather than mopey about Charlie. They've missed their change for "mopey" (SOME would have been in order) so I'll take proactive, please.

2. Miles' reaction to Claire (and maybe even Aaron if he's around) could be a repeat of the awesomely eerie scene with Claire and Malkin in RBA. Then we can get mopey too, but in a much better context than just talking to Kate/Hurley/whoever about Charlie. It would have a bigger implication for the story, not just be a grieving scene and might give us some clue as to why Hurley and Aaron end up off the Island with Jack.

Then again, maybe I'm expecting too much and once Claire voices her intentions to the guys, she'll be stuck holding the baby again while the manly men go to action. :rolleyes:

She's probably going to ask him if he brought any "PEENUT BUTTUH"

I was so glad to see Claire taking a stand, even though I still wish she would show more remorse. At least she seemed feisty as if she wasn't going to take Charlie's sacrifice for granted, she wanted to figure out what's really going on. And I would just love to see a meeting between her and Miles where it's connected to Charlie's spirit somehow (or not...), AND I've been thinking maybe Miles will be the one to connect Claire and Jack because he speaks to Christian's spirit or something. That would be awesome.

I would just love to see a meeting between her and Miles where it's connected to Charlie's spirit somehow (or not...), AND I've been thinking maybe Miles will be the one to connect Claire and Jack because he speaks to Christian's spirit or something. That would be awesome.

That'd be cool. "Sorry Claire. I'm afraid Charlie isn't here right now...but your dad says hi."

As soon as she said she wanted to talk to Miles, I yelled, "CHARLIESHOODIE'S FIC IS COMING TRUE!"

I still hope it will!

Hehe...Miles could hold a seance for the Losties - - Claire and Hurley could talk to Charlie, Hurley could talk to Libby, Sayid could talk to Shannon, Juliet could talk to Goodwin, and Locke and Sawyer could talk to Anthony Cooper.

I found this interesting. I've still got issues over her not seeming to be grieving at all for Charlie, but putting that aside for the moment, she asked to speak with Miles. She said she thought she may have better luck than Locke did to find out who these people are. Fair enough, she doesn't know that Miles can speak to the dead, but this was so out of left field that I wonder if they're not setting something up.

Good catch, and I think this is very likely. It cannot be a coincidence that Claire- who knows not one, but two spirits potentially wandering that island (Christian and Charlie)- was chosen by the writers to offer to speak to the medium, and not somebody like Sawyer or Hurley. If hinting at rebellion was all the writers were aiming for, then one of the men would have been a much better choice.

And I hated the way she said, "All Charlie said was who's boat it isn't." Like, yeah Charlie, you may have died so she could be rescued, but what have you done for her lately? It was kind of obnoxious. But then Claire was guilty of that even when Charlie was alive. I was just hoping his death might evoke some real feelings from her. Guess not.

I read this differently. I thought she was making an excellent point and effectively putting Locke in his place: Charlie didn't actually say the freighter people were coming to do them harm, he just warned everyone that they weren't who they thought they were. At first, Locke used their fear and grief and suspicion to make them believe that their lives were somehow in danger, but now that they've been in Otherville for sometime Claire's had enough time to think "Wait a minute...we're supposed to be afraid of these people and yet we've been the ones to harm them." Just because the freighties didn't come there to rescue them doesn't mean they can't use them to get off the island, and I'm glad someone on Team Locke is finally beginning to see that.


But I don't think she'll die. Somehow Kate will end up with Aaron and Claire may be presumed dead or missing but I think it will be a fakeout. To destroy that island family so completely and so permanently would just be too tragic to be enjoyable or satisfying storytelling in my opinion. I'm still waiting for the Gotcha moment.

I really hope not. For me, Claire is the innocence of Lost. Killing her off would harm the balance of the show (imo). I know her character doesn't get much to do or say, and I really wouldn't be surprised if Emilie got tired of being a glorified extra, but if the writers wanted to give her a bigger part, they could easily do so...and tonight gave me the first glimmer of a hope that this is a distinct possibility.

I'd like to see her being proactive rather than mopey about Charlie. They've missed their change for "mopey" (SOME would have been in order) so I'll take proactive, please.

I hated that they didn't have Claire mourn Charlie's death properly. I never expected the camera to dwell on her grief for long (because we all know how shamefully little screentime Claire gets), but it would have satisfied me just to at least have her grief implied, through a subdued tone of voice, changed demeanor, something. To see her all happy and giggly in Eggtown made me wonder if TPTB care about their characters half as much we do. It was so unrealistic and shallow, especially after they put so much effort into making Charlie's death a tragic, heroic, moving story. Erm, writers, tragedy is meant to linger you know...how am I meant to go back and rewatch Greatest Hits and be affected by all that, knowing that a few days later, Claire and Hurley would act like it was no big deal?

I too feel that they missed their opportunity to show Claire and Hurley dealing with Charlie's death in a realistic way. And I would rather see Claire proactive than blissfully braindead. Or watching Xanadu. Or playing Horseshoes. I don't like the way her character has been handled lately, but I rooted for her in this episode. That's more than I can say for some of the other characters.

Miles' reaction to Claire (and maybe even Aaron if he's around) could be a repeat of the awesomely eerie scene with Claire and Malkin in RBA. Then we can get mopey too, but in a much better context than just talking to Kate/Hurley/whoever about Charlie. It would have a bigger implication for the story, not just be a grieving scene and might give us some clue as to why Hurley and Aaron end up off the Island with Jack.


This is a great parallel. It would be great if they brought up those themes again because Raised by Another gave me goosebumps the first time I watched it. Now we know that Aaron does get raised by another, but we don't how or why. I wonder if a Claire/Miles conversation could somehow become a catalyst for the chain of events that leads to Kate getting hold of the baby?

I really hope that we get to witness this implied conversation, and that it's not dropped just like that...

Maybe they are saving Claire's story for the episode where that meeting happens, and maybe we will learn something surprising. I suggested that a while ago (not the surprising part), and I still believe that something will happen. There is too much "not grief" displayed by Claire on the screen, and I think the writers are saving Claire's in-depth response to Charlie's death for an upcoming episode. This would be accomplished by either Claire speaking to Charlie or, as you wrote in your original post, communication with Charlie with Miles help.

I hated that they didn't have Claire mourn Charlie's death properly. I never expected the camera to dwell on her grief for long (because we all know how shamefully little screentime Claire gets), but it would have satisfied me just to at least have her grief implied, through a subdued tone of voice, changed demeanor, something. To see her all happy and giggly in Eggtown made me wonder if TPTB care about their characters half as much we do. It was so unrealistic and shallow, especially after they put so much effort into making Charlie's death a tragic, heroic, moving story. Erm, writers, tragedy is meant to linger you know...how am I meant to go back and rewatch Greatest Hits and be affected by all that, knowing that a few days later, Claire and Hurley would act like it was no big deal?

I agree with this 100%. I felt cheated that Charlie was killed when they got us rooting for his character and hoping that he could overcome his doomed fate. But when they did kill him the writers excuses were that his sacrifice had to be so heroic and tragic because it was so important to their storyline. But in S4 they are treating Charlie's death as insignificant, even not worth mentioning. The only time Charlie is mentioned these days is in regards to his Penny message not the tragedy that he died for the Lostees or the greater good his sacrifice was meant to achieve. The writers have deflated the emotional impact of Greatest Hits. I feel completely ripped off. I have been robbed of my favourite character and Charlie's heroic sacrificial death has been robbed of all its value.

I don't think a Claire mourning scene will even work anymore. It'll feel very token like Hurley's visit to Libby's grave felt token. The writers have already made it clear that they don't care. I'm disappointed in them (again). But if the characters aren't gonna mourn or memorialise Charlie I want to at least see them being proactive and not let his sacrifice be for nothing.

I don't think a Claire mourning scene will even work anymore. It'll feel very token like Hurley's visit to Libby's grave felt token. The writers have already made it clear that they don't care. I'm disappointed in them (again). But if the characters aren't gonna mourn or memorialise Charlie I want to at least see them being proactive and not let his sacrifice be for nothing.

You're right, which is why continuity is so important. It doesn't have to be a focus, but there should be some subtle hints that Claire is in denial or crying into her pillow at night, something to let you know it will be dealt with at a later date. Without that, when she does act sad it will come out of left field and cause another continuity error. When Hurley finally sat at Libby's grave and said that he missed her in 3x10, almost a year after she died in season two and only after all the fans said why doesn't Hurley ever talk about Libby or act said, by that point it was awkward and did seem as though it was put there because we complained. I have a feeling they're doing this again, hoping we'll forget about Charlie too and then after weeks of threads like these every time Claire is on screen smiling, they will finally address it at the end of season four in some small way that won't make up for the season long character assassination of Claire. Because I've stopped caring about her.


I really hope not. For me, Claire is the innocence of Lost. Killing her off would harm the balance of the show (imo). I know her character doesn't get much to do or say, and I really wouldn't be surprised if Emilie got tired of being a glorified extra, but if the writers wanted to give her a bigger part, they could easily do so...and tonight gave me the first glimmer of a hope that this is a distinct possibility.



Charlie and Claire were the innocence of Lost, with the irony being that neither were that innocent in their former lives, yet were both starting over together here like a couple of high school virgins. That little family they created was the heart of the show and the Charlie fans warned something would be missing without it. Giving Claire more to do and a sharper edge is not going to change that. She needs to start acting like Claire again and miss her boyfriend, give him a memorial, be given some of his things, etc... That was the Claire with heart. And even then, it won't replace what Charlie brought to the show when he cared for her.


I wonder if a Claire/Miles conversation could somehow become a catalyst for the chain of events that leads to Kate getting hold of the baby?


It's bad enough that we know that is even going to happen, but so far all of Claire's screentime has been to serve Kate's story. To have a medium so close that could actually tell Claire about Charlie if she would only ask, but to disregard all of that and make this encounter about Kate would really anger me. Another opportunity missed to show Claire has a heart. By that point I won't care if she loses Aaron (not that I want Kate to have him either, but if something were to happen to Claire, it should have been Charlie's story to be left with Aaron).

I was so glad to see Claire taking a stand, even though I still wish she would show more remorse. At least she seemed feisty as if she wasn't going to take Charlie's sacrifice for granted, she wanted to figure out what's really going on. And I would just love to see a meeting between her and Miles where it's connected to Charlie's spirit somehow (or not...), AND I've been thinking maybe Miles will be the one to connect Claire and Jack because he speaks to Christian's spirit or something. That would be awesome.

I agree with your post. maybe if there is a meeting with Miles it will result in 2 things.
1. Claire finally showing grief (to everyones satisfaction) regarding Charlie's death.
2. A bonus......Communication with her Dad letting her know she is not alone as she has a brother and Aaron has an uncle.

It would be awesome!:biggrin: