So...we have Sayid, Jack, Kate, Hugo, Jin, and Sun.

Does this mean Aaron is not part of the O6? Is he somehow a secret? What the crap is going on here?

i, along with quite a few other people, never considered aaron part of the O6.
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well theres your answer, it was a FF for sun and a FB for jin, that also answer youer other thread about the year of the dragon. it was probably 2000.

Wow...okay...umm...so I was wrong about Jin. How terribly sad of an ending!!!

aaron wasnt a passenger on the plane....

I'm guessing they consider Aaron as #6. Certainly not Jin. What an absolute waste of a good character. He was so sweet. Boy am I gonna miss him. Sun is so sad without him. :cry:

aaron wasnt a passenger on the plane....

So...if Aaron isn't part of the O6, then we're only left with 5, because Jin has died. So, is it Michael then???

Jin must die off the island after he is "rescued" as he is buried in Korea

Maybe Jin is one of the 2 dead that make it back. That would mean we have another lostie that will be dead in the future. It might be that aaron just isn't counted.

So...if Aaron isn't part of the O6, then we're only left with 5, because Jin has died. So, is it Michael then???

The fact that Jin's grave was off the island I think proves that he made it off the island though.

The Oceanic 6 are the famous people who got off the island, the public ones. I think it's pretty clear that the 6 are, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sun, Sayid and Jack. Jin's dead but it looks like he got off the island.

Since Ben is off the island and wandering around it's not a stretch to suggest that whoever was in the coffin at the end of last season wasn't one of the Oceanic 6, but someone else amongst them who left the island, just not publicly.

I'm not necessarily buying (at this point) that Jin is actually dead. It'd be easy to have the grave be a memorial to her (supposedly) late husband who was killed in the crash, when (in actuallity) he's back on the island. I just can't see the Oceanic 6 returning with dead bodies or Jin dying post-rescue. (Of course, during the rescue is a possibility, but we'll see on that.)

Sun's ending speech could just be talking to her (still) Lost husband, with the trip to the cemetery for both appearances in Sun's world and to throw the viewers off.

The fact that Jin's grave was off the island I think proves that he made it off the island though.


The grave doesn't prove anything. People often put up a tombstone even if they don't have a body. If Jin remained on the island, Sun has to keep up the pretense that he died in the crash. So we don't know if Jin is alive or dead.

Hello everyone, I was hoping you could help me. Didn't TPTB say that by episode 7 there would be no doubt as to who the oceanic 6 were? Unless Ben counts as one, I dont get it, or did Jin die off of the island and make it back? Also, it was very cool to have a flashback for Jin and flashforward for Sun. Thanks.

If the date on the tombstone is correct it looks like Jin died on the island. In which case that was just a memorial stone. The date seems to indicate he died on the date of the crash, which matches up with the Oceanic 6's story, that they were the only survivors of the crash.

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So who are the Oceanic 6, is Aaron included? Did Kate adopt and publicly say that he was one of the survivors?

Oceanic 6 are

1- Jack
2- Hurley
3- sayid
4- Kate
5- Aaron
6- Sun

Jins was flashback people. Think about what you saw and it will come to you. He was responding to a different birth all along--2 months after he married Sun

Clues were all over the place

He died on Island and the tombstone said 9/22/2004

I actually think the tombstone is the best proof that he is actually dead and died off the island (even though I desperately hope otherwise!)

Here's the thing: of course it would be appropriate to put up a tombstone even if it was all a ruse (and apparently the tombstone has Jin's death as the date of the crash). That proves nothing by itself.

BUT, Hurley and Sun would know the truth. Why would they "go see him" and why would she talk to him so emotionally to him if she knew the grave wasn't really real and that Jin wasn't really there?

I think based on that final scene that Jin does really die, but off the island (although without anyone knowing, since it says on the stone he died in the crash... aah, I don't know).

The grave doesn't prove anything. People often put up a tombstone even if they don't have a body. If Jin remained on the island, Sun has to keep up the pretense that he died in the crash. So we don't know if Jin is alive or dead.

True, but then again Sun and Hurley were alone. I think if they knew better (that Jin was alive on the island) then they would drop the charade in private.

My guess is that Jin does die at some point on the island before the 6 are rescued. Once back in Korea, Sun has a funeral for him, but has to put Sept. 22 as the date of death for the sake of the public story, even though the 6 know better.

Why would they "go see him" and why would she talk to him so emotionally to him if she knew the grave wasn't really real and that Jin wasn't really there?


1) Because where else would she "talk" to him? It's the only place in the outside world that fits the bill.
2) People would expect her to go to the grave.

Aaron is one of the six. Jin probably dies on the island, then his grave is either just a tombstone without a body (as some people do when they don't have the body) or they just took his body along. Damon and Carlton said we would know who the six were at the end of this episode.

Yeah, it must be aaron.

True, but then again Sun and Hurley were alone. I think if they knew better (that Jin was alive on the island) then they would drop the charade in private.




They really did nothing that they couldn't have done if he was just left on the island. Sun would grieve the same way, because she could never see him again - it would be as though he were dead. We already know that Hurley feels guilty about leaving the island - and he could be sad that Jin didn't get to see his baby.

He's dead

The thing the gave the whole flashback away was when he said he would do anything to protect her and get her off the Island.

He's dead

The thing the gave the whole flashback away was when he said he would do anything to protect her and get her off the Island.

But we have no proof yet - it is just supposition at this point. "Anything to protect her & get her off the island" could include staying on the island so she can leave.

True, but then again Sun and Hurley were alone. I think if they knew better (that Jin was alive on the island) then they would drop the charade in private.

My guess is that Jin does die at some point on the island before the 6 are rescued. Once back in Korea, Sun has a funeral for him, but has to put Sept. 22 as the date of death for the sake of the public story, even though the 6 know better.
Now that I hear this all spelled out, I think I agree with it in terms of Jin's storyline.

The problem I have (not with your post sunder, but just addressing the question in the thread) is with the "Oceanic 6" label - those people are quasi-celebrities. If Jin were known as being one of them, Sun couldn't/wouldn't have his gravestone labeled with the crash date. So, if he does make it off the island and die in Korea, even his rescue would have to be in secret. Otherwise, he would have been counted.

Confusing yes, but I think this leads to Aaron being counted in the 6. I don't the media would care at all that he was in utero and not a ticketed passenger at the time of the crash.

I'm not necessarily buying (at this point) that Jin is actually dead. It'd be easy to have the grave be a memorial to her (supposedly) late husband who was killed in the crash, when (in actuallity) he's back on the island. I just can't see the Oceanic 6 returning with dead bodies or Jin dying post-rescue. (Of course, during the rescue is a possibility, but we'll see on that.)

Sun's ending speech could just be talking to her (still) Lost husband, with the trip to the cemetery for both appearances in Sun's world and to throw the viewers off.Kind of like when Rose would hold Bernard's ring while they were separated. They focused on her wedding ring a lot in this episode.

I wonder why no one ever speculates that Michael is part of the 06?

I wonder why no one ever speculates that Michael is part of the 06?

Anumber of people in the death thread in spoilers have speculated that Michael might be one of the O6. That begs the question of Walt, because if his survival were also known, there would be an Oceanic 7.

I think Aaron is probably the 6th, with Michael or Ji-Yeon in utero as outside possibilities. Walt probably has a new identity, and I suspect Michael will keep his Kevin Johnson alias if he gets back to the outside world.

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All we know for certain from this episode is that Jin was not one of the Oceanic 6 and there for was thought to have died in the crash. Wether he never left the island (which I really hope and it could be) or he died on the isalnd or during the "rescue" we still don't know and we won't until it happens in real time. Which was in response to the people who say that a flash forward death ruines everything. We still don't know for sure that Jin is dead although a lot of evidence says he is. It's become a new mystery that adds a new level to the story telling approach.

Plus tPTB have been going on about how just because we see that someones dead in a FF doesn't mean we won't see them on the show for a while which is why i hope he isn't the one that dies according to the trailer in next weeks episode.

Yea, but TPTB. Said it would be clear who the 6 were. This episode did not make it clear to me at all. As I see it these are the possible O6
1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Hurley
4. Sayid
5. Sun
6. JIn
7. Aaron
8. Ben
I don't know if Aaron and Ben count cause they wern't the plane.

I'm pretty sure that it's now established that the 06 are Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron & Sun. I base this on the previews for Eggtown, where we were promised that another of the O6 would be revealed, and Ji Yeun, where we were promised that the last of the O6 would be revealed. Kate wasn't revealed in Eggtown; we already knew that she was one of the O6 from last season. Sun was the only new person that we saw off of the island after the "rescue" in this episode.

Ben wouldn't be part of the O6, he wasn't on the plane. Technically, Aaron was, since Claire was like 8-9 months preggers.

Michael isn't one of the O6...

We were told after tonight all 6 would be known. So therefore, Aaron is one of them...there is no debate to that.

Jin is dead...on the island...or still on the island. That is proven without a shadow of the doubt by the date on the tombstone. They would not put the date of the crash if he died off the island.

JIn's tombstone gives 9/22/04 as the date of death. That's the date of the flight. There is no body in that grave. JIn may be dead, or he may still be on the island.

I disagree with the majority and agree with selene1212 that Michael will turn out to be the last of the O6.

and I suspect that the coffin last season is that of Michael.

JIn was number 6 but died off island. Aaron wasn't offically on the plane and Ben is not on the plane either.

I'm guessing they consider Aaron as #6. Certainly not Jin. What an absolute waste of a good character. He was so sweet. Boy am I gonna miss him. Sun is so sad without him. :cry:

Agreed, but Jin is not "Lost" dead. Yes in a FF we know he dies but the plotline on the island still has not revealed his death. So even though we know he ultimately croaks we may have many more Jin/Sun episodes. At least on great finally for him.

I guess it is Aaron. Ben isn't part of the o6. Besides, methinks he keeps a low profile with Sayid doing the dirty work for him. Ben was found in a vet lab in Germany for crying out loud, and I bet he goes 1000's of other places. The world at large may never even know who Ben is.

Confusing yes, but I think this leads to Aaron being counted in the 6. I don't the media would care at all that he was in utero and not a ticketed passenger at the time of the crash.
I would buy that if Kate wasn't calling Aaron her son in the future and nobody was batting an eyelash. She is a fugitive who was allowed to adopt another passenger's child? Never.

I'm pretty sure that it's now established that the 06 are Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron & Sun. I base this on the previews for Eggtown, where we were promised that another of the O6 would be revealed, and Ji Yeun, where we were promised that the last of the O6 would be revealed. Kate wasn't revealed in Eggtown; we already knew that she was one of the O6 from last season. Sun was the only new person that we saw off of the island after the "rescue" in this episode.


Thank you & Amen.

Some sanity has been found.

The Captain of the boat confirms that there were 324 bodies found on the Oceanic 815 that was found on the ocean floor. There could have been many funerals held at that time. I am sure it is a big shock to the O6's families when they showed up.

I disagree with the majority and agree with selene1212 that Michael will turn out to be the last of the O6.

and I suspect that the coffin last season is that of Michael.


I highly agree with this..
People seem to keep forgetting that in order to be a "celebrity," you have to be known missing. Aaron was not "known to be missing" at the time of the crash, and he ALSO wasn't on the manifest, meaning, no one would be looking for him even if rescue teams may have gotten to the crash site under a normal circumstance.
The Lost 6 will include Michael (long shot), Jack, Kate, Sun, Hurley, Sayid, and Aaron being the "Omg, she was pregnant?" runner-up. (Call it a long shot, but that's my Oceanic 6).
Desmond will also make it off the island based on the fact that (IN MY OPINION), this show was based around the Love story of Desmond/Penny, intertwined with the most amazing side-stories of every other character to build up to current situation.

Yea, but TPTB. Said it would be clear who the 6 were. This episode did not make it clear to me at all. As I see it these are the possible O6
1. Jack
2. Kate
3. Hurley
4. Sayid
5. Sun
6. JIn
7. Aaron
8. Ben
I don't know if Aaron and Ben count cause they wern't the plane.
What about Michael and Walt? If Claire was on the plane, then Aaron was on the plane (unless it is a different Aaron).

Either Kristin or Ausiello said that Aaron was not one of the O6, but perhaps they were mistaken. If you can't read Korean, it would seem likely that Jin was one of the O6 and died off island.

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Desmond can't count because he wasn't on the plane. Ditto for Ben and Juliet.

Cardie

What about Michael and Walt? If Claire was on the plane, then Aaron was on the plane (unless it is a different Aaron).


in response to the part in bold, if thats the case and he was a passenger... find em on the manifest for us then and only then will i think aaron was one of the 6.

Either Kristin or Ausiello said that Aaron was not one of the O6, but perhaps they were mistaken. If you can't read Korean, it would seem likely that Jin was one of the O6 and died off island.

Cardie
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Desmond can't count because he wasn't on the plane. Ditto for Ben and Juliet.

Cardie
I agree with the spoiler,about 35 minutes thru I was pretty sure jin was a fb

Jin does not have to be buried at the cemetery, could just be a memorial.

People seem to keep forgetting that in order to be a "celebrity," you have to be known missing.

Pretty faulty logic there. I think the point is that originally it was reported that 815 had NO survivors. Then suddenly 6 people show up alive, of course they're all going to be celebrities.

Just because Aaron didn't show up on a missing persons report doesn't mean that the world won't take notice when he shows up alive after surviving a plane crash.

Maybe I'm naive, but for whatever reason I don't see Jin being dead. I think he is left back on the island for whatever reason and because no one can go back, and no one else can leave, she has to view him as dead.

I guess I imagined a scene where Jin would be at the tombstone to have more of a "Why did you have to die?" quality to it. But the "Wish you could have been there comment" and "the I miss you so much" comment for some reason make me think he is still on the island.

Wonder if anyone knows Korean and can translate the tombstone.

The Oceanic 6 are the famous people who got off the island, the public ones. I think it's pretty clear that the 6 are, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sun, Sayid and Jack. Jin's dead but it looks like he got off the island.

Since Ben is off the island and wandering around it's not a stretch to suggest that whoever was in the coffin at the end of last season wasn't one of the Oceanic 6, but someone else amongst them who left the island, just not publicly.

I agree. I think that even though Jin is shown as dead doesn't mean that he's leaving Lost. I mean, the show will continue for as long as they are still trying to get off the island. So we'll still get to see our Jin hopefully. Until they tell us otherwise.

Based on the evidence presented thus far, I would say Aaron is part of the O6 and Jin is not. Here is the evidence:

Aaron - just because he was in-utero on the plane doesn't mean he wouldn't be celebrated. Picture the 6 survivors returning from the Island. Is the media going to ignore the 6 month old and just acknowledge the other 5? No, they would all be the Oceanic 6. Ignore the fact that Kate is pretending it is her child, for the moment. Doesn't that make sense?

Jin - his tombstone read 9/22/2004. If he was one of the Oceanic 6 and died off island, then that date would be different. He either died on the island prior to the Oceanic 6 leaving (and the crash date was used as a cover up) or he is in fact not dead at all but had to stay behind in order for Sun to leave safely, maybe for the same reason Claire had to stay behind in order for Aaron to leave.

Sun would still be mourning Jin even if he was left behind because as far as she knows she can never return to the Island and see him again.

Oceanic 6 are

1- Jack
2- Hurley
3- sayid
4- Kate
5- Aaron
6- Sun

Again people, Aaron isn't one of the Oceanic 6, becouse he
isn't a registered passenger of the plane, and he was born on the Island duh,

The Oceanic 6 are

1- Jack
2- Hurley
3- sayid
4- Kate
5- Jin
6- Sun

If I´m not wrong, TPTB said that by the end of this episode, we would know all the 6.
So I´m really confused here. Did TPTB lied? Or is Aaron one of th oceanic six? Because Jin is not. :34853_huh:

oceanic 6 are

jack
kate
sayid
hurley
sun
MICHAEL

can't be jun,he officially died in the crash
cant be aaron,he wasn't on 815

it CANT be Jin. Has to be Michael or Aaron. I dont think Aaron would be considered a member though for technicalities sake....

This is the easiest solved "mystery" the show has ever produced.

Aaron.

(Not Ben, Michael, Walt, Jin, Charlotte, Alpert, Kate's Horse, The Polar Bear, Smokey, Christian Shepherd, Joseph Heller, Billy Dee Williams or The Whispers. And not Locke, either.)

I don't want to sound insensitive but to make Aaron one of the six seems like a waste. I'm not convinced at this point that Jin is dead or that Aaron should be counted. I'm just confused as hell. Someone said something about how there were 324 bodies found so if six people showed up no matter who they were, they would all be famous. So what about the people that weren't on the plane that supposedly get off the island? If desmond gets off, juliet and anyone else - wouldn't people wonder about them too?
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oh and although we thought that Kate was already one of the oceanic six, she never revealed it to anyone in the last episode of season 3. We didn't even know about the six at that point. Hurley said he was one of the six, jack is implied because he talked about signing autographs, Sayid said he was one of them and Kate says she is one in Eggtown.

Again people, Aaron isn't one of the Oceanic 6, becouse he
isn't a registered passenger of the plane, and he was born on the Island duh,

The Oceanic 6 are

1- Jack
2- Hurley
3- sayid
4- Kate
5- Jin
6- Sun

So the public looked at the 7 survivors and decided to only call 6 of them the Oceanic 6? Does that make any sense to you? If Jin had been one of the Oceanic 6, then there would have been no need to fudge the date on his tombstone.

wouldn't it be a shocker if kate was lying to sawyer and she really is pregnant and Aaron isn't really aaron?

I always thought the Oceanic 6 was based off of the passenger list...therefore Aaron shouldn't count...

oceanic 6 are

jack
kate
sayid
hurley
sun
MICHAEL

can't be jun,he officially died in the crash
cant be aaron,he wasn't on 815


I agree. I believe Mike is also in the coffin in TTLG.

1. Jack
2.Kate
3. Sun
4. Hurley
5. Sayid
6. Aaron

No, Michael is NOT one of the 6 because there is no Michael anymore, only Keven Johnson, and Keven Johnson was not on the plane, neither was Ben, and neither was Desmond.

Think about it this way. If this REALLY happened, in real life, and 5 survivor's were found from a plane crash and a baby who was born soon after the plane crashed, then they were rescued, do you really think they would NOT count the baby as a survivor just because the baby wasn't on the passenger list? The baby was on the plane, just not in a seat, and the baby survived the crash, meaning he was a survivor of the crash of Oceanic 815....

I have a couple of problems with Aaron being one of the 6. First, as someone else stated, it just feels cheap. Aaron may be important in terms of the mysteries of the show, but he is not a character that I have become vested in over the last three seasons. A baby is a hard character to connect with. It just feels like a cop out making him a member of the 6 when there are other characters we know and love (or love to hate) that would have more impact on the story. Instead of wondering "What is going on with the six people who made it off?", it becomes "What is going on with the five people who made it off, and the baby?"

Another problem is the way the cover story was presented in "Eggtown". The way Jack talked about the "Eight who survived the crash, but only six lived to be rescued", didn't really feel like he was including a baby in that. It felt more like he was referring to six adults. I agree that if this happened in the real world, Aaron would be made a big deal of, but more as "Six people survived a plane crash, and one of them gave birth on a deserted island", rather than "Five adults and a baby survived a plane crash".

I learned the hard way that what is said in the previews is only ABC's spin on the episode, and not necessarily what TPTB intend to show us. It has also become painfully obvious that TPTB don't always tell us the truth in the podcasts. Until we are given more info in the show, as far as I'm concerned the last member of the Oceanic Six is still a mystery.

During the preview for the episode "Eggtown" (Kate's flashfoward episode) the voice over says something like "Next week another member of the Oceanic 6 will be reveled"..or something along those lines, then it shows Kate being lead into the court house, but as we all know from watching the season 3 finale, Kate makes it off the island, so who is it that was revealed in that episode...? Aaron!!!

Also, just because 5, plus Aaron make it off the island, we still have the rest of the people left behind on the island to have stories about. Aaron had to go somewhere, either stay on the island or get off, making him one of the Oceanic 6 just makes it more compelling considering Claire isn't one of the 6....

I have to agree. The ground rules for who qualifies as an O6 are shady at best. But we can agree on these points (I think):


Jin either died, or was left on the island. He did not come off the island either way. Sun is mourning the loss of Jin, because while he might still be alive (I think he is) he is somewhere where Sun will never see him again. (Or so we think)
If Michael is one of the O6, then he is not in the coffin. If he is, then either Ben or Locke is the one in the box. Which begs another question, if it is either one, who is the teenaged son in the obit?
While it looks like Aaron is the last of the O6, I too find it cheap and still can't believe it. But the "Miracle Baby Who Survived Plane Crash" would certainly be HUGE news, I don't like it.

. Yes in a FF we know he dies but the plotline on the island still has not revealed his death. So even though we know he ultimately croaks we may have many more Jin/Sun episodes.

We don't know that he is dead. When Sun was rescued, she would have to say Jin was dead, whether he was or not. We have no proof that Jin is dead.

Ausiello said Aaron isn't one of the Oceanic Six....

I have a couple of problems with Aaron being one of the 6. First, as someone else stated, it just feels cheap. Aaron may be important in terms of the mysteries of the show, but he is not a character that I have become vested in over the last three seasons. A baby is a hard character to connect with. It just feels like a cop out making him a member of the 6 when there are other characters we know and love (or love to hate) that would have more impact on the story. Instead of wondering "What is going on with the six people who made it off?", it becomes "What is going on with the five people who made it off, and the baby?"

Not to offend, but I really don't understand your beef...

The Oceanic 6 is a name given to a group rescued from the crash of Flight 815. It is part of a storyline. I'm not sure why this storyline loses appeal because one is a baby. Imagine a group of people getting rescued. If one was ten years old, they would be counted. If one was five years old, they would be counted. So why wouldn't a baby be counted? If Aaron is, indeed, one of the Oceanic 6, how is that cheap? Because he doesn't talk yet? How is it a "cop out"? This is very strange reasoning to me...

That said, I was never one who believed Aaron would be counted as one because his name wasn't on the manifest. However, in imagining the situation, yes I can see that now.

I stated in another thread that when Jack took the stand and mentioned 8 people from the flight, that 2 didn't survive the rescue. Jin must have been one of those 2.

Ausiello said Aaron isn't one of the Oceanic Six....

Do you have a link to this because I need it to help prove my point to someone on another forum :)

The date on Jin's tombstone is the date of the plane crash. Therefore, if they are saying publically that Jin is one of the two that didn't make it back, then his tombstone would have had the date that he died sometime in December or early January. But it doesn't. So the public story that Sun must have had to say is that Jin died in the plane crash, hence the date on his tombstone. If Sun is having to say that Jin died in the crash, then Jin isn't counted as one of the Oceanic Six or the two that didn't make it. I'm thinking that Jin is still on the island, not just because I think that would make a romantic story for Sun and Jin, but because that is just the logical conclusion to come to. And it would be just as heartbreaking for Sun knowing he was somewhere she could never go and that he can't get back.
Although Darlton can be misleading sometimes, they were pretty clear that by the end of this episode we would know who the Six are. And the big reveal (if you weren't spoiled) at the end of the episode is Micheal. I think he, even though he is Kevin Johnson at the moment, is #6 and that he gets rescued along with the other 5 so that he can continue to work for Ben in the future just as Sayid is doing. I'm sure Ben is holding Walt over his head somehow. I also think it's Michael in the coffin.

Jin may have died on the island but Sun put up a memorial grave for him at home. Since Jin was a flashback and Sun was a flashforward there is no concrete evidence that he got off the island, I dont think the grave necessarily means there isa body there. Does anyone know what the tombstone read? Or perhaps Jin is alive and doesn't make it off the island as one of the Oceanic 6, perhaps they can only take a few and he tells Sun to go, but the Oceanic 6 have to act as if everyone else on the plane died, so she has a grave made for him as if he died in the plane crash, but really he's still on the island and she has no way of getting back to him? A long stretch, I know, but anythings possible with this show.

They supposedly have dead bodies in the ocean, but they can't recover them. There are lots of graves with no bodies in them out of respect/honor for the dead. I am in the camp that Jin was left behind, for whatever reason.

So why wouldn't a baby be counted? If Aaron is, indeed, one of the Oceanic 6, how is that cheap? Because he doesn't talk yet? How is it a "cop out"? This is very strange reasoning to me...

It is cheap, because he is not a character that has had any real part in the show. Sure, there are mysteries surrounding him, but being a baby, he can only have a peripheral impact on the story. There can not be any real character development or history. There is very little drama other than how it affects the characters around him. He is used as little more than a "living prop". Honestly, Vincent the dog has more of a role than Aaron!

It is a cop out, because that is one less character they have to have FF's for. It is one less character to have a story for "off island". Any story involving Aaron off island will invariably revolve around Kate, and will be more about her than him. Any story about the "Oceanic Six" will actually only be about the "Oceanic Five".

The date on Jin's tombstone is the date of the plane crash. Therefore, if they are saying publically that Jin is one of the two that didn't make it back, then his tombstone would have had the date that he died sometime in December or early January. But it doesn't. So the public story that Sun must have had to say is that Jin died in the plane crash, hence the date on his tombstone. If Sun is having to say that Jin died in the crash, then Jin isn't counted as one of the Oceanic Six or the two that didn't make it. I'm thinking that Jin is still on the island, not just because I think that would make a romantic story for Sun and Jin, but because that is just the logical conclusion to come to. And it would be just as heartbreaking for Sun knowing he was somewhere she could never go and that he can't get back.
Although Darlton can be misleading sometimes, they were pretty clear that by the end of this episode we would know who the Six are. And the big reveal (if you weren't spoiled) at the end of the episode is Micheal. I think he, even though he is Kevin Johnson at the moment, is #6 and that he gets rescued along with the other 5 so that he can continue to work for Ben in the future just as Sayid is doing. I'm sure Ben is holding Walt over his head somehow. I also think it's Michael in the coffin.

You know, I didn't consider Michael at all because of the the Kevin Johnson thing and no Walt. But it would make sense, especially considering the obit in the newspaper referencing New York, that Michael is in the coffin.

Something tells me that Darlton's next podcast will clear everything up...:undecide:

If we are going to say that Aaron is one of the O6, then it is not all that impossible to say Ji Yeon is one as well. Sun would have had to have been pregnant BEFORE the crash for Ji Yeon to be Jins.

So if we are playing by the same rules here, if Aaoron is considered a passenger, then so is Ji Yeon, technically.

Plus, when Sun was being wheeled into the ER, the nurse said, 'Yes, the Oceanic Six!' Could this mean that Ji Yeon is the last memeber of the O6???

Also, if Aaron is as special as we think, wouldnt the powers behind all of this want to keep Aaron quiet, or in other words, protected from all of the drama of being a celebrity??? Maybe that is why Kate was shielding him so badly as well...

Michael could be just using KJ as an alias on the boat, because once he gets rescued, I take him as someone that would relish the celebritism...

It is cheap, because he is not a character that has had any real part in the show. Sure, there are mysteries surrounding him, but being a baby, he can only have a peripheral impact on the story. There can not be any real character development or history. There is very little drama other than how it affects the characters around him. He is used as little more than a "living prop". Honestly, Vincent the dog has more of a role than Aaron!

It is a cop out, because that is one less character they have to have FF's for. It is one less character to have a story for "off island". Any story involving Aaron off island will invariably revolve around Kate, and will be more about her than him. Any story about the "Oceanic Six" will actually only be about the "Oceanic Five".


It's just part of the story telling. Like I said before, Aaron would have had to fit in somewhere, and who knows what happens to those who remain on the island. We'll have the stories of those who get off, and those who stayed behind. I still don't see why it's a big deal that one of the Oceanic 6 is Aaron, he IS a character and if anything he furthers Kate's story off the island. She's a mother now, and that would explain why she's not willing to go back to the island to save the others, like Jack wants to do so badly.

My guess, we'll see both life off the island through the eyes of the Oceanic that got off, plus the life of the people left on the island. We still have the characters, but in different situations, and it was probably easier to take Aaron off the island, then have to work him into what might be happening there.
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If we are going to say that Aaron is one of the O6, then it is not all that impossible to say Ji Yeon is one as well. Sun would have had to have been pregnant BEFORE the crash for Ji Yeon to be Jins.

Nope

If she was pregnant before they crashed it was NOT Jin, but she got pregnant on the island so it IS Jin's. Plus she didn't give birth to the baby on the island like Claire did, meaning the baby didn't have to survive on the island.

Nope

If she was pregnant before they crashed it was NOT Jin, but she got pregnant on the island so it IS Jin's. Plus she didn't have the baby on the island like Claire did, meaning the baby didn't have to survive on the island.


you are taking my post in the literal sense, which we cannot with this story line because we know the truth. However, to go along with the made up story, if Sun were to say Ji Yeon is Jins, then they would of had to conceived BEFORE they crashed, thus Sun would have been pregnant and carrying Ji Yeon. IF this is the case, and we use the same rules as we do with Aaron, an argument could be made that Ji Yeon is the last of the O6, and Aaron is being hidden due to him being 'special'

you are taking my post in the literal sense, which we cannot with this story line because we know the truth. However, to go along with the made up story, if Sun were to say Ji Yeon is Jins, then they would of had to conceived BEFORE they crashed, thus Sun would have been pregnant and carrying Ji Yeon. IF this is the case, and we use the same rules as we do with Aaron, an argument could be made that Ji Yeon is the last of the O6, and Aaron is being hidden due to him being 'special'

She could have said she conceived the night before the flight with Jin, but that still doesn't mean she gave birth to the baby on the island, and she most likely wouldn't even have known.

The difference is Claire was almost 9 months when they crashed and gave birth to the Aaron on the island. Aaron WAS rescued, where Ji Yeon was only 2 month old inside of Sun, who should not have known she was pregnant (I'm guessing her fake story would sound strange saying she had a pregnancy test with her...).

Aaron was actually rescued, while Ji Yeon was not. Why is a baby, a born baby being excused as being a person rescued from the island?

Jin is not dead. He's still on the island.

i dont think jin is really dead, i think that its just a cover up. When Sun was in labor, she thought she saw Jin. It was really someone who looked like him. Does Jin have a twin?

I am not excusing the fact Aaron was rescued...but the real question is whether or not Aaron was a passenger of 815. If he was, and if Sun lies and says she was pregnant with Jins baby, then technically, Ji Yeon was a passenger as well, and technically survived the crash. The only difference between the two is how far along Claire was compared to Sun...

just pure speculation and playing devils advocate

I am not excusing the fact Aaron was rescued...but the real question is whether or not Aaron was a passenger of 815. If he was, and if Sun lies and says she was pregnant with Jins baby, then technically, Ji Yeon was a passenger as well, and technically survived the crash. The only difference between the two is how far along Claire was compared to Sun...

just pure speculation and playing devils advocate

Aaron was born on the island and was rescued from it, Ji Yeon was not.

You really think, if this happened in real life and 5 adult and one baby were found as the only survivors of a major plane crash that the media would only coin the 5 adults as survivors and not count the baby because he didn't purchase a seat on the flight and didn't have a seat number? The media would eat that story up and follow that child's life for years, he would be the miracle who survived in his mothers belly and was born on an island with little food and in a dangerous environment.

If anything Aaron's survival would be the big story.

I am not excusing the fact Aaron was rescued...but the real question is whether or not Aaron was a passenger of 815. If he was, and if Sun lies and says she was pregnant with Jins baby, then technically, Ji Yeon was a passenger as well, and technically survived the crash. The only difference between the two is how far along Claire was compared to Sun...

just pure speculation and playing devils advocate

Except the most important point is that Aaron was born on the island. Out of the womb, living, breathing on his own person. Therefore, he could be considered a rescued person. Ji Yeon had yet to be born and probably would not qualify as being rescued.

Basically, here are the six.

Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, and Aaron.

There you go.

Does nobody listen to the Official Lost Podcast??? Damon L. said a couple of weeks ago that both Ben and Aaron are NOT part of the Oceanic 6 because they "weren't on the plane". Carlton Cuse threw out the same arguement that is being posted here that technically Aaron was on the plane, even though he hadn't been born. Damon's reply was "well, he didn't buy a ticket". Damon then re-affirms that Aaron should not be counted for those who were trying to figure out who the 6 were.

How can you argue with this? The executive producers of LOST! are on record saying that Aaron is not part of the Oceanic 6.

Does nobody listen to the Official Lost Podcast??? Damon L. said a couple of weeks ago that both Ben and Aaron are NOT part of the Oceanic 6 because they "weren't on the plane". Carlton Cuse threw out the same arguement that is being posted here that technically Aaron was on the plane, even though he hadn't been born. Damon's reply was "well, he didn't buy a ticket". Damon then re-affirms that Aaron should not be counted for those who were trying to figure out who the 6 were.

How can you argue with this? The executive producers of LOST! are on record saying that Aaron is not part of the Oceanic 6.

Yes, apparently no one listens to the podcasts! Thanx for clearing that up, holeymoley.

Whoa, sounds like holeymoley woke up and drank their haterade this morning.

Sorry dude, I don't listen to the Podcasts. Just throwing me $.02 out there.

The executive producers are also on record, in the most recent podcast, of saying that they sometimes lie rather than give away plot developments.

My problem with them including Aaron is that if he is part of the O6, then Kate can't claim that he is her biological child. I can't see a wanted fugitive murder suspect being given custody of someone else's child. Therefore I think it's possible that Aaron was smuggled out secretly and Kate faked a pregnancy, now saying that her son is big for his age. However, given the botch they did of Kate's trial, perhaps the writers have no problem letting her adopt Claire's son.

If Aaron doesn't count, then Michael is the only other possibility.

Cardie

Does nobody listen to the Official Lost Podcast??? Damon L. said a couple of weeks ago that both Ben and Aaron are NOT part of the Oceanic 6 because they "weren't on the plane". Carlton Cuse threw out the same arguement that is being posted here that technically Aaron was on the plane, even though he hadn't been born. Damon's reply was "well, he didn't buy a ticket". Damon then re-affirms that Aaron should not be counted for those who were trying to figure out who the 6 were.

How can you argue with this? The executive producers of LOST! are on record saying that Aaron is not part of the Oceanic 6.

Which podcast was this said? Link?

If Michael is one of the O-6, then he certainly isn't in the coffin. I think the press would have made a big deal of it and someone other than Jack would have shown up at the funeral home

For now I am still thinking that Jin is one of the Oceanic 6. I think something happens to him off the island. I agree that Aaron is not one of the Oceanic 6 in that he was not a passenger- not on the manifest. He did not buy a ticket. Claire only took up one seat. I may change my mind as more unfolds on screen, but I don't think I will be swayed by any of the arguments I have read yet. Doesn't mean they are not right, I just need more evidence to suggest it could be Aaron. I doubt it will be Michael either- he obviously is already living under an assumed name.

If Michael is one of the O-6, then he certainly isn't in the coffin. I think the press would have made a big deal of it and someone other than Jack would have shown up at the funeral home

Good point. I don't think the person in the coffin can be one of the Oceanic 6 because they are all well known and any of their deaths would attract media interest. Very interesting.

Does nobody listen to the Official Lost Podcast??? Damon L. said a couple of weeks ago that both Ben and Aaron are NOT part of the Oceanic 6 because they "weren't on the plane". Carlton Cuse threw out the same arguement that is being posted here that technically Aaron was on the plane, even though he hadn't been born. Damon's reply was "well, he didn't buy a ticket". Damon then re-affirms that Aaron should not be counted for those who were trying to figure out who the 6 were.

How can you argue with this? The executive producers of LOST! are on record saying that Aaron is not part of the Oceanic 6.

Anyone care to tell me which podcast this was said on? I'm sitting here listening to them and I'd really love it if I didn't have to sit hear and listen to all of them just to hear this being said. The date of the podcast this was said would be great!

Ben can't be one of the O6 since he'd be too famous to stay alive. I mean, if Widmore went to such length to get him on the Island, he wouldn't last much in the spotlight.

This is all I could find about the producers saying on Aaron being an Oceanic 6, and it's not much.....

Via Wired, Via ABC, Lost executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof reveal these OMG previews: (http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/02/lost-execs-reve.html)

• By the end of the seventh episode all the Oceanic 6 survivors will be revealed, answering the question as to whether Ben and baby Aaron are considered part of the Oceanic 6.

That does not say that Damon Lindelof said they were not. Unless you have a link to where they actually say that Aaron is not a Oceanic 6 member...?

Aaron was born on the island and was rescued from it, Ji Yeon was not.

You really think, if this happened in real life and 5 adult and one baby were found as the only survivors of a major plane crash that the media would only coin the 5 adults as survivors and not count the baby because he didn't purchase a seat on the flight and didn't have a seat number? The media would eat that story up and follow that child's life for years, he would be the miracle who survived in his mothers belly and was born on an island with little food and in a dangerous environment.

If anything Aaron's survival would be the big story.

Of course that would be a HUGE story...not discounting that at all...

the very last thing I said was that it was pure speculation and I was playing devils advocate...

what I dont get is that everyone is discounting the fact that Ji Yeon is said to have been conceived BEFORE the crash according to the info we now have from last nights episode...and IF you take the rules that apply to Aaron, you MUST apply them to Ji Yeon. Sure both of them did not buy a ticket, but both would be considered as survivors.

Do you not think that Sun surviving the crash while being pregnant as well would not a BIG DEAL too???

Like I said, the only difference is how far along the two are

I know this is a hypothetical, but the whole story behind the Oceanic Six is a lie and this COULD fit right in...it would have too...based on the info we now have.

once again, pure speculation...which makes me believe that Michael is the last of the Oceanic Six...

Not to mention that in a sneak peak at next weeks episode, Michael responds to him being called by the name 'Michael' by Sayid

This is all I could find about the producers saying on Aaron being an Oceanic 6, and it's not much.....

Via Wired, Via ABC, Lost executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof reveal these OMG previews: (http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/02/lost-execs-reve.html)

• By the end of the seventh episode all the Oceanic 6 survivors will be revealed, answering the question as to whether Ben and baby Aaron are considered part of the Oceanic 6.

That does not say that Damon Lindelof said they were not. Unless you have a link to where they actually say that Aaron is not a Oceanic 6 member...?

Ok... that makes me believe that Aaron in fact is one of the O6.
Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and Aaron.
Ben can't be because he was not on the plane. Aaron "was on the plane, but didnt had a ticket."

Does nobody listen to the Official Lost Podcast??? Damon L. said a couple of weeks ago that both Ben and Aaron are NOT part of the Oceanic 6 because they "weren't on the plane". Carlton Cuse threw out the same arguement that is being posted here that technically Aaron was on the plane, even though he hadn't been born. Damon's reply was "well, he didn't buy a ticket". Damon then re-affirms that Aaron should not be counted for those who were trying to figure out who the 6 were.

How can you argue with this? The executive producers of LOST! are on record saying that Aaron is not part of the Oceanic 6.

This is talked about in the Official LOST Audio Podcast: Feb. 28th, 2008 around 7:19min into the show. I disagree with holeymoley's take on this. The very fact that Carlton and Damon had an "arguement" about this (which ended with "anything's possible") was that we weren't supposed to know whether or not Aaron was an Oceanic 6 until after "Ji Yeon".

If we knew after "Eggtown" that Aaron was an O6 we would only be expecting 1 more and in turn when "Ji Yeon" started would already expect that only Jin or Sun was an O6 (and lose some of the surprise that Jin's story was a flashback). Instead, we weren't given that revelation until the end of "Ji Yeon", then being able to look back and say that Aaron was one (as they say in that same podcast that we will know the O6 at the end of the 7th episode). I agree that Baby Aaron would be considered part of the O6 and unborn Ji Yeon would not. People would see 6 live bodies, and probably not find out that Sun was pregnant until weeks/months after the rescue when she started showing/let people know.

The Oceanic 6 are the famous people who got off the island, the public ones. I think it's pretty clear that the 6 are, Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sun, Sayid and Jack. Jin's dead but it looks like he got off the island.

Since Ben is off the island and wandering around it's not a stretch to suggest that whoever was in the coffin at the end of last season wasn't one of the Oceanic 6, but someone else amongst them who left the island, just not publicly.

I believe Jin was one of the original "8" Jack mentions in this testimony--and one of the two that ultimately died before "rescue". They had to explain how Sun got pregnant on the island.

Also, TPTB confirmed that Aaron is one of the O6 in the podcast prehash before that episode. They said that in that episode we would find out who another of the O6 is. The ONLY island survivor in that episode was Aaron, besides Jack and Kate. No one else was mentioned, so it HAS to be Aaron. Seems strange that they would go out of their way to say that if Aaron wasn't one of the six.

This is talked about in the Official LOST Audio Podcast: Feb. 28th, 2008 around 7:19min into the show. I disagree with holeymoley's take on this. The very fact that Carlton and Damon had an "arguement" about this (which ended with "anything's possible") was that we weren't supposed to know whether or not Aaron was an Oceanic 6 until after "Ji Yeon".

If we knew after "Eggtown" that Aaron was an O6 we would only be expecting 1 more and in turn when "Ji Yeon" started would already expect that only Jin or Sun was an O6. Instead, we weren't given that revelation until the end of "Ji Yeon", then being able to look back and say that Aaron was one (as they say in that same podcast that we will know the O6 at the end of the 7th episode). I agree that Baby Aaron would be considered part of the O6 and unborn Ji Yeon would not. People would see 6 live bodies, and probably not find out that Sun was pregnant until weeks/months after the rescue when she started showing/let people know.

Thanks for posting this. Sound's like it's Aaron!

Which podcast was this said? Link?

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=podcast#t=3421

The February 29th episode, about 7minutes in.

Jin must die off the island after he is "rescued" as he is buried in Korea

But there were the 300+ bodies they found in the wreckage. So, his "body" could have been returned to Korea for burial.
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He's dead

The thing the gave the whole flashback away was when he said he would do anything to protect her and get her off the Island.

Or at some point there is a choice as to who gets on whatever type of ship rescues them and he allows her to go while he stays behind.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=podcast#t=3421

The February 29th episode, about 7minutes in.

There is no Feb 29th episode

I found what you're talking about on the Feb 28th podcast, and they are speaking hypothetically. They're not just giving it away, they're talking about it and making arguments for why or why not Aaron could possibly be a 6. LOL

Plus, at this point they still want to keep it secret because if they do come out and say it's Aaron, then we would know in this episode that either Sun or Jin didn't make it.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=podcast#t=3421

The February 29th episode, about 7minutes in.

In that podcast, they were discussing if juliet was one of the O6, because there are a COUPLE of slots open, then they discuss whether Ben and Aaron are considered, and they said Ben would not be because he wasn't on the plane, and that Aaron wasn't on the plane either (they argued whether or not he was)...and that he was in utero...then they say that by the end of the 8th episode that we would know and one of them says that we should know by the end of episode 7, and that they do not mean to be cutesy about the Oceanic Six...

to me that means that there is a strong chance that Michael will be the last O6 member...because they both reference episode 7 and 8

I think the two revealed in this episode were Sun and Michael

Jin's body gets off the island but the grave stone with Sept. 22 2004 sums up for me that he was "officially" (according to the Oceanic Six) killed in or soon after the inital plane crash. I don't know how they deal with his body getting back after his remains have been there for at least two months. Maybe they're just that -- scrap remains.

The only next obvious point is, if the above about Michael is true, Walt is not among the O6.

But ...

And isn't a future episode this season -- maybe even the next one -- a Michael off the island flash forward.

Of course I don't know for sure..I guess none of us do..but here are my reasons for thinking it is not Michael

1) Wouldn't Michael be worried about being charged with murder if he used his real name? Considering that Hurley got off the Island and Michael murdered Libby in cold blood, I doubt that he would risk using his real identity.
2) I don't think he would leave without Walt (and I don't think Walt will die)
3) We were told we would know the identities of the O6 by now and so far there is nothing to show Michael made it off

So what are the reasons for thinking Michael is one of the O6? He is on the freighter? Anything else?

Michael's been set up -- by Ben -- with an alias. I really don't see him going back to being Michael.

The O6 is pretty clearly Aaron, Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sayid and Sun, with Kate pretending she gave birth to Aaron on whatever island from which they were rescued.

The O8 had to include Jin, to explain how Sun got pregnant on the island. Don't know who the 8th is, except it probably isn't Claire or Ana Lucia.

Heres my take on the Owhatever, MIcael is part of the O6, Walt is not probably because he would be happiest on the Island, it seems as though it is the only place he was happy from what we've seen of his past any way. Aaron is not, I have no evidence it's just something in my gut. Jin is NOT a member of the O8, his tombstone is the dead give away;) , if he died the during the crash which is too be assumed, then he would not have been alive on the Island.
from the looks of the preview, I'd have to say that if Michael gets off the Island, he is despised, by the other members of the O6, for the set up he led them into, and is the man in the coffin, Jack goes to the funeral, because he's Jack, and that is why Kate asks him why he think she would go. Although I'm still "hoping" it's Locke. The spoiler pertains to the preview and is not reall relevant to the discussion.
So feel free to rip apart everything, one thing is for sure whatever this leads to, it's become very interesting, not that it already wasn't.

Of course I don't know for sure..none of us do..but here are my reasons for thinking it is not Michael

1) Wouldn't Michael be worried about being charged with murder if he used his real name? Considering that Hurley got off the Island and Michael murdered Libby in cold blood, I doubt that he would risk using his real identity.
2) I don't think he would leave without Walt (and I don't think Walt will die)
3) We were told we would know the identities of the O6 by now and so far there is nothing to show Michael made it off

So what are the reasons for thinking Michael is one of the O6? He is on the freighter?

No Michael would not be worried about being charged with murder...if so, Sayid and Hurley both would be, and Jack and Kate would be accomplices to murder.

Remember, there are no laws that govern the island that we know of, and you cannot be charged with murder in the US if you did not commit murder in the US.

Michael did make it off the Island, because he is on the freighter.

I do agree though he would not leave without Walt, unless forced to...which lines up with the stories of the other O6 members.

Michael is using an alias because the freighter people know about who was on 815. So that story line fits. Once he gets back to civilization and Bens secret (Michael) gets out, then he can assume his real identity.

No Michael would not be worried about being charged with murder...if so, Sayid and Hurley both would be, and Jack and Kate would be accomplices to murder.

You may be correct. Like I said, I have know idea, but it is fun to speculate.

Who would testify against Sayid, Hurley, Jack and Kate for their "crimes" on the island? Remember according to their story only 8 survived the crash and there are no "Others"

Don't you think Hurley might be a little bit upset with Michael about killing Libby?

But then again, maybe you are right since Hurley probably has to say that Libby died in the crash. And, Michael could not be accused of murder formally without revealing all the secrets of the island.

OK, you got me. My argument about Michael being accused is weak.

But I still don't see how Michael leaves without Walt. Remember when Walt confessed to burning the raft. Michael said "If you want to stay, then we will stay" - then Walt says "No..We must go" like he knew something. So how does Michael leave Walt on the island with the people that kidnapped him for some evil purpose????

I am still not 100% certain it is Aaron. Who is the 5th person Kate saved, then? At her trial, Jack said 8 survived, 2 died in the water and Kate saved 5 more. If Aaron was born on the Island, who is that other person?

Kate saved Aaron because after he was born, she gathered food and shelter. Remember, the cover story is the plane crashed Jack was injured. Presumably, Sun helps Kate give birth. Jin fishes. He gets hurt and dies of infection as does the mysterious remaining member of the O8. Sayid, Hurley, Kate and Sun then gather food and shelter for injured Jack and infant Aaron until they are all rescued.

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But I still don't see how Michael leaves without Walt. Remember when Walt confessed to burning the raft. Michael said "If you want to stay, then we will stay" - then Walt says "No..We must go" like he knew something. So how does Michael leave Walt on the island with the people that kidnapped him for some evil purpose????

I'm sure Michael and Walt got back to civilization. Michael left Walt with his mom or other relatives, under a new identity, and then created "Kevin Johnson" and got a job on the freighter per Ben's instructions.

Cardie

How is it that anyone can still be confused about the Oceanic 6.
The promo for Eggtown said ... "another member of the O6 would be revealed"
Aaron is then revealed in Eggtown in that "oh I didn't see that coming" moment at the end when Kate calls his name.
This week ... the promo stated "the last member of the O6 would be revealed.
We all knew it would be Sun.

Michael isn't going to claim to be a part of the O6 ... ruins the cover story that has been created. Obviously crafted by Ben... who most likely created Michaels new identity.

Sometimes I think we've been given nothing but questions for so long that once we actually start getting answers, some people just won't accept it.

How is it that anyone can still be confused about the Oceanic 6.
The promo for Eggtown said ... "another member of the O6 would be revealed"
Aaron is then revealed in Eggtown in that "oh I didn't see that coming" moment at the end when Kate calls his name.
This week ... the promo stated "the last member of the O6 would be revealed.
We all knew it would be Sun.

Michael isn't going to claim to be a part of the O6 ... ruins the cover story that has been created. Obviously crafted by Ben... who most likely created Michaels new identity.

Yes, the promo for Eggtown said we would be revealed one more member, but that does not mean Kate was not the person to be revealed as one of the O6...in Jacks FF during TTLG, there is n omention of the Oceanic Six. None whatsoever. We assume she is one, but we have had no absolute confirmation until Eggtown.

We still dont have confirmation that Aaron is Claire's Aaron, or if it is Kate and Sawyer's...

As for the promo for Ji Yeon, it did not say the LAST MEMBER, it said the last of the Oceanic Six...which is subjective objective and open to speculation...


Lets look at the facts.

1. We all agree Jin is not part of the O6
2. We all agree that Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun and Sayid are definite members of the O6.
3. We are not 100% positive that Aaron is Claires or Kates.
4. We know Michael has left the island and ended up on the freighter assuming an new identity.


The one common thing that the O6 have in common are Flash Forwards, and we have only seen 5 FFs...Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Sun. The last member of the O6 has yet to have a FF, which means it could be Aaron, or even Michael

oh and although we thought that Kate was already one of the oceanic six, she never revealed it to anyone in the last episode of season 3. We didn't even know about the six at that point. Hurley said he was one of the six, jack is implied because he talked about signing autographs, Sayid said he was one of them and Kate says she is one in Eggtown.
And the nurse said "...Oceanic 6?" when Sun was brought into the hospital

I'm sure Michael and Walt got back to civilization. Michael left Walt with his mom or other relatives, under a new identity, and then created "Kevin Johnson" and got a job on the freighter per Ben's instructions.

Cardie

Alot of people are saying that, so you are probably correct. But here are my questions with that theory:

1) How did Michael get home and back? The boat that Ben gave Michael could not reach civilizaton (according to Sawyer on the episode when Walt was taken from the raft - I think he said it had a range of 100 miles)

2) Why would Michael come back? His sole motive was to get Walt off the island. Seems odd that Michael would leave his son with relatives that Walt has never met and go back into a dangerous situation.

3) Didn't the heading that Ben gave Michael lead him directly to the Freighter?

4) How does one apply for a janitor job on a Freighter that is on a secret mission and is already at sea? I am not saying that Ben couldn't arrange something, but it just seems likes a stretch.

It just seems more likely that Ben and Walt took the small boat directly to the Freighter. But who knows? Just my speculation.

LockeProblm also had a very interesting catch. The note that was passed to Sayid and Desmond did not look like Michael's handwriting, since Michael was an artist. This note looked like it was written by a child.

I'm sure Michael and Walt got back to civilization. Michael left Walt with his mom or other relatives, under a new identity, and then created "Kevin Johnson" and got a job on the freighter per Ben's instructions.

CardieOther relatives maybe but I doubt if Walt was left with his deceased mother.

Hey maybe the 6th one is Vincent?:biggrin:

The rescue gives Michael an opportunity to drop his false identity and resume his real identity so he could be the 6th.

It appears we are all assuming the 6 leave the island via the freighter and not through the services of some ship sent by Penny.

Other relatives maybe but I doubt if Walt was left with his deceased mother.



Sorry for the imprecision. I meant that Michael left him with Michael's very much alive mother (Walt's grandmother) whom he called from the Sydney airport right before the plane took off.

If Michael is Ben's man on the freighter, then I trust Ben took care of getting him employed on it. As for where and when bearing 325 led, we'll have to wait and see.

Cardie

I am still not 100% certain it is Aaron. Who is the 5th person Kate saved, then? At her trial, Jack said 8 survived, 2 died in the water and Kate saved 5 more. If Aaron was born on the Island, who is that other person?

Excellent point! If he's claiming Kate is the reason the other Oceanic 5 are alive, it must be Aaron.

Unless of course Aaron has been somehow brought off the island without the public knowing, thus the reason why murderess Kate has been allowed to keep him.

Do you not think that Sun surviving the crash while being pregnant as well would not a BIG DEAL too???Maybe, but are you really saying Sun would count as two of the Oceanic 6 on account of being pregnant?

Sometimes I think we've been given nothing but questions for so long that once we actually start getting answers, some people just won't accept it.

THIS!

t appears we are all assuming the 6 leave the island via the freighter and not through the services of some ship sent by Penny.

I'm actually assuming the six leave the island courtesy of Ben, for reasons I'm not yet sure of. I think that freighter gets sunk by the end of season 5. (I mean Locke hasn't blown anything up for like a week! He's gotta be gettin' antsy! :) )

you guys seem to be forgetting this simple fact: the story they tell to everyone when get off the island is a complete LIE.

Again people, Aaron isn't one of the Oceanic 6, becouse he
isn't a registered passenger of the plane, and he was born on the Island duh,

The Oceanic 6 are

1- Jack
2- Hurley
3- sayid
4- Kate
5- Jin
6- Sun

I think there's a detail that could include Aaron. In Jack's court testimony he said that eight survived the crash but only six made it off the island. This, of course, is the O6 cover story since he also said the federal marshal died in the crash, which we know is not true.

It seems logical that the identity of the eight supposed survivors of the crash would be also be specified as part of the cover story. I propose that the O8 are:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Jin
Claire
Aaron

The cover story of the O8 could include that Claire lived long enough to give birth to Aaron but she died before they were rescued. Jin would need to be an O8 survivor because Ji Yeon was conceived after the crash and Jin surviving the crash would validate the time-line.

So the O6 would be:
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Aaron

With Jin and Claire being the two of the O8 that did not live to get rescued.

My one concern is the thought brought up (sorry, forgot who posted the thought) that Kate would never be allowed to adopt Aaron in her legal situation.

That last caveat aside, those are my picks for the O8 and O6.

I'm actually assuming the six leave the island courtesy of Ben, for reasons I'm not yet sure of. I think that freighter gets sunk by the end of season 5. (I mean Locke hasn't blown anything up for like a week! He's gotta be gettin' antsy! :) )


I wouldn't take Miles off Locke's hit list yet. ;)

Well here is what we know, based off what is said, we will know the O6 by now, they would have to be part of this list:

10 People that got off the island:
Desmond
Sayid
Kate
Sun
Jack
Hurley
Michael
Walt
Ben
Aaron

7 People who got off the island and returned home:
Sayid
Kate
Sun
Hurley
Jack
Aaron
Ben

So if we look at the 7 who returned without Aaron or Ben we have 5 of the O6, Aaron was not on board the plane so is not part of the O6, what if Ben takes on the identity of one of the dead passangers since he knows all about them he can find one that he fits the description of and may not have family waiting for them. He could then be one of the O6.

One thing I am having trouble with is who is in the coffin? If it was someone from the island why are they not included in the O6? if it was an O6 survivor then there would have been more people and media there. I am feeling more confident that Michael (Kevin) was the one in the coffin seeing that his new identity would not make him one of the O6.

Why do people want to include Jin as one of the O6 or O8, when we see his tombstone showing him dying on the date of the crash, 9/22/08?

Remember, the Oceanic 6 are what the public is aware of at the time of the flash forwards. I seriously doubt Aaron is not known by the public, so he would be one of them as far as the media is concerned.

It's still weird to me that Aaron would be considered as part of the Oceanic 6, because his name, obviously, wasn't on the flight manifest. I guess it's not mandatory that it should be for him to be part of the O6, but it's almost like he wasn't on the flight at all. The whole thing is just weird to me.

It's still weird to me that Aaron would be considered as part of the Oceanic 6, because his name, obviously, wasn't on the flight manifest. I guess it's not mandatory that it should be for him to be part of the O6, but it's almost like he wasn't on the flight at all. The whole thing is just weird to me.

Yeah I agree, I doubt they would include him as part of the O6, he is part of the Oceanic 6+child

If a plane crashed and one of the survivors included a stowaway, or an airline employee who didn't have to purchase a ticket, the media would not say "survivors of the crash of Global Airlines 23, plus one guy who didn't have a ticket." However the rescue occurs, five adults are going to show up with a story of having been on Oceanic 815 and survived on a desert island, accompanied by a baby born after the crash. The media will be happy to call them the Oceanic 6 because it's short and snappy. They aren't going to call them "the Oceanic Five plus baby who was in utero at the time of the crash."

I do not see why this is such a sticking point for some. Media are always happy to forego nit-picky accuracy for snappy taglines.

Cardie

If a plane crashed and one of the survivors included a stowaway, or an airline employee who didn't have to purchase a ticket, the media would not say "survivors of the crash of Global Airlines 23, plus one guy who didn't have a ticket." However the rescue occurs, five adults are going to show up with a story of having been on Oceanic 815 and survived on a desert island, accompanied by a baby born after the crash. The media will be happy to call them the Oceanic 6 because it's short and snappy. They aren't going to call them "the Oceanic Five plus baby who was in utero at the time of the crash."

I do not see why this is such a sticking point for some. Media are always happy to forego nit-picky accuracy for snappy taglines.

Cardie

Exactly! I've tried to explain this in some other threads but not one seems to get it, until you! Thanks - thought I was going insane :)

Why is this question still going on? In the previews of Eggtown, it says we will find out another member of the Oceanic 6. We already knew about Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid. The only new person it showed on the outside world was Aaron, who makes 5. Then, again before Ji Yeon, the preview said we would find out about the last member of O6. Jin's dead - according to his gravesite, died during the crash - which means NOT part of any story considering he survived. Sun lived, and the nurse at the hospital says she was a member of O6. So the last 2, without any doubt, are Aaron and Sun. Why overanalyze this? The writers come out and tell you who they are. There is mystery about why these are the only people to make it off the island, or why they make up this lie. But not about WHO are the Oceanic 6.

With Jin and Claire being the two of the O8 that did not live to get rescued.

My one concern is the thought brought up (sorry, forgot who posted the thought) that Kate would never be allowed to adopt Aaron in her legal situation.Another obstacle to Claire being a survivor is Aaron's father. In fact, any of Claire's relatives would be first in line to receive custody, and with a large Oceanic settlement in the mix, don't think they wouldn't fight for it.

Also, if Jin was one of the O8, I think a later date would have been used on the tombstone.

Also, if Jin was one of the O8, I think a later date would have been used on the tombstone.

That's a good point. Jin is not in the O8. Which begs the question as to who people think is the father of Sun's child.

I don't think that the infertility issues were widely known about--her doctor can't tell anyone because of doctor/patient confidentiality. And whoever Sun and Jin might have told, the official story was that she was infertile.

So everyone will think that the doctors were wrong and she finally got pregnant--it happens all the time.

Cardie

and this comes to mind...(if it has been discussed sorry)... if there is a time difference off the island as we have thought in previous epi's Jin's body would have been more decomposed than it would have arrived off island...and....Jim couldnt have been the father than...this is assuming that there is a few year difference on island and off island...

Could Michael be the sixth membe of the Oceanic six? that would make two members that we saw in the latest episode?

no... the six are kate, jack, hurley, aaron, sun, and sayid. i think jin's grave stone is a memorial as it says he died on sept. 22, 2004.. the crash date. (although i think he is not dead)
the question i now have is how do the airline explain the oceanic 6 when they confirmed all the passengers dead? naomi said they used the little "robots" to go underwater and confirmed no survivors. also it was on the radio when miles was in the car in his flashback. and on the news as well when the heli-pilot was watching. so where do they say the 6 come from if all the bodies were accounted for?

I assume the story will be that when the plane split apart, some of the passengers got thrown and somehow survived. That the robots must have collected some of their blood when they were injured int he crash, and that's why they were thought dead. In fact, they used their seats as a flotation device (just like the flight attendant said you could!) and floated to some island (which definitely doesn't have freaky monsters and magnetic disturbances!) where Kate the survivalist kept them all well fed until rescue.

Who is in the coffin that Jack visits in Los Angeles?

Someone Kate doesn't like very much.

Why is this question still going on? In the previews of Eggtown, it says we will find out another member of the Oceanic 6. We already knew about Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid. The only new person it showed on the outside world was Aaron, who makes 5. Then, again before Ji Yeon, the preview said we would find out about the last member of O6. Jin's dead - according to his gravesite, died during the crash - which means NOT part of any story considering he survived. Sun lived, and the nurse at the hospital says she was a member of O6. So the last 2, without any doubt, are Aaron and Sun. Why overanalyze this? The writers come out and tell you who they are. There is mystery about why these are the only people to make it off the island, or why they make up this lie. But not about WHO are the Oceanic 6.
Part of the reason this is still going on is that you can't trust what's said or shown in the previews. Regarding the Eggtown preview, it's possible that the new O6 member they were referring to was Kate. Prior to that we had seen Kate off the island, but she hadn't at any time been specifically referred to as a member of O6. Yes I know that the O6 tag probably hadn't been developed when they wrote TTLG, but prior to Eggtown, I for one was still of the opinion that Kate was given a new identity and was living in a type of "witness protection" back in the US, because she was a fugitive at the time of the plane crash.

My understanding of the preview for Ji Yeon is that they said "the last of the O6" will be revealed, not "last member". If I'm wrong, please forgive me. But if they said "the last of the O6", that could mean one or two people. And if that's the case, then it's possible, not definite, not even probable, but possible, that Sun and Michael are the last two.

So, while you may feel certain that you know who the O6 are, not everyone shares that opinion. :confused:

Its definatly not Michael. I do believe he gets off the island and continues using the name Kevin Johnson and he is the one who ends up the coffin, my guess is suicide. Something happens to Walt and that is all he had going for him and now he has the guilt of killing Anna Lucia and Libby and no longer has Walt, it explains why nobody is at the funeral for the mysterious person in the coffin.

Until I read this thread I was pretty certain that we now knew the O6 - Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and Aaron. But if there IS another candidate, I'm wondering if it's someone we haven't considered much at all. Perhaps someone like Rose?

There has to be some key plot-driven reason for the sudden re-emergence of the Rose/Bernard storyline in 'Ji Yeon' - unless Bernard's chat with Jin was purely to reinforce Jin's awareness of his attachment to Sun as the other married man on the island.

I think there is going to be big reasons for the O6 wanting to return to the island, and also presume we will have some kind of forced, catastrophic division of the group at the point of rescue ... which could mean characters like Rose and Bernard being split up, with Rose then suffering again from her illness off-island and wanting to return for the sake of her health and to be with her husband.

Other possible 'splits' which could drive the O6-ers to want to go back could be Michael and Walt of course (but I have a feeling Michael will not be an O6 survivor), Jack and Juliet (presuming their relationship develops further), Jack and Claire, if he knows he is her brother. I doubt Kate will want to return at all, (even for Sawyer's sake), because this might endanger her chances of keeping Aaron, so I'm going to presume Claire is very much alive when they are rescued.

We might also have Sun wanting to get back to Jin - although I personally figure he died during the rescue, saving Sun and his child.

One thing's for sure ... there have to be a fair few interesting original losties left on the island post-rescue, to ensure interesting storylines both on and off the island, to keep viewers engaged.

All wild speculation of course.

Someone Kate doesn't like very much.
Not only Kate but all of the O6, therefore I really think it is Michael.

The best argument that I've seen that Aaron is NOT a member of the O6 is Jack's testimony. He described her rescuing the O6 + 2, with 2 dying before rescue. I cannot think of anyone who would call being pregnant and surviving on an island until delivering the baby and then being rescued as someone rescuing the baby at the time of the crash. It just doesn't jibe with the cover story.

I also cannot see Aaron as being alleged to have been born to Kate pre-crash, because the feds would have known about him, especially if he were on the plane.

It would be highly unlikely that Kate would be able to keep Aaron pretrial unless he were considered her natural born son.

So... while I have no doubt that the media could hype O6 and have Aaron included in that hype, etc., etc. - it still doesn't jibe with Jack's testimony. Kate rescued 7 people from a crash - 2 of which did not survive.

Now let's look at Michael and Ben and Kevin Johnson.

Ben has a man on the boat. That man is Kevin Johnson, aka Michael Dawson. Ben creates this new persona for Michael. Who's to say the name wasn't chosen from the 815 manifest? Ben had files on everyone. All he would have to do is chose a black male, preferably with no family. Kevin Johnson could then be part of the O-6.

For that matter, Michael Dawson could be rescued and then officially change his name to avoid publicity and being hounded as a celebrity. Pick a name? Why not the one Ben gave him?

Darlton said we would definitely know who the O6 are by episode 8 and should know be able to know who they are by the end of "Ji Yeon." Episode 8 is Michael's episode.

So at this time I think that sixth spot belongs to Michael - either as himself or as Kevin Johnson.

Of course, for this to work, the entire crew of the Kahana most likely will die or be left on the island. And when I say crew, I am not including Charlotte, Daniel, Miles and Frank. They were special folks on a special mission - not boat crew.

Who's to say the name wasn't chosen from the 815 manifest? Ben had files on everyone. All he would have to do is chose a black male, preferably with no family. Kevin Johnson could then be part of the O-6.

But the people on the freighter know every name on the plane's manifest. If they knew he was on the plane, I somehow dont think they would hire him as the janitor :drowsy:

But the people on the freighter know every name on the plane's manifest. If they knew he was on the plane, I somehow dont think they would hire him as the janitor :drowsy:

This is the most compelling argument out there I think for Michael NOT being one of the O6 - for some reason he has decided to be incognito. And until we know the fate of Walt, we can't possibly really know what his motives might be, although we can speculate that guilt and a drive for redemption of some sorts might play a part in his behavior.

So...we have Sayid, Jack, Kate, Hugo, Jin, and Sun.

Does this mean Aaron is not part of the O6? Is he somehow a secret? What the crap is going on here?


If that was Jin's flashback we can't consider him part of the six, so maybe Michael will be the 6th. He'll get his life back for helping Ben and then end up in the coffin.

Its definatly not Michael. I do believe he gets off the island and continues using the name Kevin Johnson and he is the one who ends up the coffin, my guess is suicide. Something happens to Walt and that is all he had going for him and now he has the guilt of killing Anna Lucia and Libby and no longer has Walt, it explains why nobody is at the funeral for the mysterious person in the coffin.

The man in the coffin is survived by a teenage son. Michael definitely fits, and I agree suicide- but I doubt it will be because something happens to Walt- Unless Walt becomes the new "Ben"

Part of the reason this is still going on is that you can't trust what's said or shown in the previews. Regarding the Eggtown preview, it's possible that the new O6 member they were referring to was Kate. Prior to that we had seen Kate off the island, but she hadn't at any time been specifically referred to as a member of O6. Yes I know that the O6 tag probably hadn't been developed when they wrote TTLG, but prior to Eggtown, I for one was still of the opinion that Kate was given a new identity and was living in a type of "witness protection" back in the US, because she was a fugitive at the time of the plane crash.

My understanding of the preview for Ji Yeon is that they said "the last of the O6" will be revealed, not "last member". If I'm wrong, please forgive me. But if they said "the last of the O6", that could mean one or two people. And if that's the case, then it's possible, not definite, not even probable, but possible, that Sun and Michael are the last two.

So, while you may feel certain that you know who the O6 are, not everyone shares that opinion. :confused:

Point taken. That's why I asked. I will have to go back and check to see if the previews for Ji Yeon says last member or the last. I will update this post then.

Point taken. That's why I asked. I will have to go back and check to see if the previews for Ji Yeon says last member or the last. I will update this post then.


It says 'The last of the Oceanic Six'

I'd agree, however, Kevin Johnson is a very common name. Had there been a John Smith on the plane, would the freighter not hire a John Smith?

So I guess they just found a baby on the Island? :) If Im not mistaken, the baby would travel inside of the womb of it's mother which technically means that Aaron was a passenger.

Its funny how people create these rules and then think that they are absolutely true..."He wasnt a part of the born passengers on the plane, so how could he be part of the Oceanic 6?", "He was never called a survivor of Oceanic 15, so that means he cant be part of the Oceanic 6", and so on. Those are your rules, not the series or the writer's or the producers rule.

There is nothing that says that Aaron couldnt be part of the Oceanic 6. The media obviously made this up, and if anything, Aaron would be the "Miracle Baby" of the Oceanic 6 and caused a media frenzy.

OMG! An unborn baby survived the crash! Put him on Oprah!

(And for gods sake YES! Desmond not pushing the button was responsible for bringing down Oceanic Flight 815!) :)


Bingo! Especially if the answer goes against their original theory.


Sometimes I think we've been given nothing but questions for so long that once we actually start getting answers, some people just won't accept it.

So I guess they just found a baby on the Island? :) If Im not mistaken, the baby would travel inside of the womb of it's mother which technically means that Aaron was a passenger.

Its funny how people create these rules and then think that they are absolutely true..."He wasnt a part of the born passengers on the plane, so how could he be part of the Oceanic 6?", "He was never called a survivor of Oceanic 15, so that means he cant be part of the Oceanic 6", and so on. Those are your rules, not the series or the writer's or the producers rule.

There is nothing that says that Aaron couldnt be part of the Oceanic 6. The media obviously made this up, and if anything, Aaron would be the "Miracle Baby" of the Oceanic 6 and caused a media frenzy.

OMG! An unborn baby survived the crash! Put him on Oprah!

(And for gods sake YES! Desmond not pushing the button was responsible for bringing down Oceanic Flight 815!) :)




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Who says? Is this some sort of Lost rulebook we're not aware of?


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Show us where there is a rule states this. Is this official? :)


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This was never said...


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Yes, there is a major impact to this story. There is a baby out there without it's mother being taken care of by the least likeliest of people. Then there is the question of where is Claire...and does Jack really know that hes Aarons uncle? Aaron definitely does impact this story.


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Well, maybe you should just pretend it was the Oceanic 5 and let Aaron be that little "extra." ("but its the Oceanic 6")



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Bingo! Especially if the answer goes against their original theory.Lots of answers to objections for Aaron being one of the 6, How do you respond to those objections that indicate a theory along the lines of; The publicly released story of the crash, as repeated at the trial by Jack, indicates 8 people survived the crash with Kate pulling the other 7 to safety. Subsequent to that 2 of those 8 died leaving 6 people not counting Aaron. Aaron thus becomes the 7th person available for rescue from the island. So if the Oceanic 6 includes Aaron then either there is a person unaccounted for or there is a person from the crash who for some reason is not counted as one of the Oceanic 6.

I nominate Aaron for the person not counted as one of theOceanic 6.;)

Alright, here's what I think darlings, and I posted this in the Desmonds' vision post:
Jin and Claire and numbers seven and eight. They get on the helicopter out of there, but die on the way because of that time travel thing that Desmond got caught in.
Jin is really dead. But they had to put the date of the crash on his tombstone so that the public didn't get all up in arms about the time travel properties of the mysterious island.

and Ben leave the island in another submarine he's hording somewhere like the bad man that he is. However, he becomes good, but doesn't want to get arrested so he doesn't go with the O6.

And Locke becomes the real bad man. =]

The end.

I think the fact they he has a headstone doesn't mean he's buried there. I would think each one of them have headstones in their native countries because their families thought they were all dead for so long. It could be a place of rememberance of him.

I think the fact they he has a headstone doesn't mean he's buried there. I would think each one of them have headstones in their native countries because their families thought they were all dead for so long. It could be a place of rememberance of him.
But I think Hurley says something like "do you want to go visit him." Not those exact words, but i'm pretty sure he says "him" when talking about Jin (as if he's actually there), not "his grave." But i've only seen the ep. once....so i could be completely off.

So I guess they just found a baby on the Island? :) If Im not mistaken, the baby would travel inside of the womb of it's mother which technically means that Aaron was a passenger.

Its funny how people create these rules and then think that they are absolutely true..."He wasnt a part of the born passengers on the plane, so how could he be part of the Oceanic 6?", "He was never called a survivor of Oceanic 15, so that means he cant be part of the Oceanic 6", and so on. Those are your rules, not the series or the writer's or the producers rule.

There is nothing that says that Aaron couldnt be part of the Oceanic 6. The media obviously made this up, and if anything, Aaron would be the "Miracle Baby" of the Oceanic 6 and caused a media frenzy.

OMG! An unborn baby survived the crash! Put him on Oprah!

(And for gods sake YES! Desmond not pushing the button was responsible for bringing down Oceanic Flight 815!) :)


Bingo! Especially if the answer goes against their original theory.

Nobody is discounting the fact that Aaron made it off the island nor the fact that his story would not be a big deal...what alot of us are saying is that Aaron is not one of the O6 by design...

Remember, at Kates trial she said she did not want Aaron exposed to all of the hoopla that surrounds it, and the fact that she hasn't even let her own mother see Aaron is a HUGE clue, IMO. So, with that evidence, I am interpreting it as Aaron is being hidden from the media, and the he is not known as one of the survivors of Oceanic 815.

Not to mention, I would assume the media would be asking about Aaron if he were one of the O6 as Kate was walking into the courthouse...

Excellent point! If he's claiming Kate is the reason the other Oceanic 5 are alive, it must be Aaron.

Unless of course Aaron has been somehow brought off the island without the public knowing, thus the reason why murderess Kate has been allowed to keep him.

The above post from Benster opens up a whole new debate.

First off, it would be no big deal if TPTB didn’t always tell us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Why don’t we all treat whatever they say with a big pinch of salt? When you’ve so skilfully spun a tale so full of mystery and questions, it would really make no sense to give your audience little tips and hints that undermined your crafty story-telling. If anything, you’d make your utterances ambiguous so that many different meanings could be read into them.

I suggest that we focus on what we do know:






1.EGGTOWN FF: Kate is on a murder charge and is remanded into custody. Aaron is NOT mentioned in the course of this bail/remand hearing, so it could be that he’s not actually (widely) known about, and therefore may not be one of the O6. However, when Kate’s lawyer advises her to base her case on who she is now – on her character:KATE: What do you mean who I am? DUNCAN: I want him in the courtroom. KATE: Absolutely not. DUNCAN: We need him, Kate. It will generate tremendous sympathy-- KATE: Duncan, listen to me. You are not bringing him in here. Alright, you want to make this about me, about my character, fine. But you are not using my son.Apart from the dramatic effect, it seems strange that Aaron’s name is not mentioned in the trial. In fact, when Kate objects to bringing “him” in here, I initially thought she was objecting to Jack, until she mentions “my son”.

OK, so at the end of the EGGTOWN FF we hear Kate call her son Aaron. We have no proof that this is the same Aaron as Claire’s Aaron, she could simply have called her son after Claire’s son. So he could be Kate’s son – father unknown! Unless of course Jack doesn't want to see the child becuase he assumes its father is Sawyer!!

3.Just because 6 survivors were branded and publicised by the media as the O6, it doesn’t rule out the possibility that more than 6 survivors have escaped the island. They could, for example, have taken the place and identities of some of the dead crew members from the freighter, leaving six of their fellow survivors to be labelled the O6. (Assuming the freighter is the eventual means of escape.) Similarly, if he is Claire’s Aaron, he could have been smuggled back on the freighter, and ‘reunited’ with Kate for whatever reason in relative secrecy. There is no evidence that the media regard Kate's Aaron as one of the O6. People are just assuming way too much, aren't they?

4.Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sun have all admitted to, or been identified as members of the O6.

5.Sayid told the guy he shot on the golf course he was one of the Oceanic 6. Now, this could be true in that Sayid was known to be one of the O6, OR, Sayid could have told a partial truth admitting that he’d been on Flight 815, but lying about being one of the O6.






6.Sayid has been very secretive with Elsa in THE ECONOMIST FF:SAYID: There’s nothing to talk about, it’s just a job. ELSA: I know nothing about you. I understand you don’t want to talk about the crash, what happened to you. But what about life now, what about you? That's what you do when you’re in love, right? (chuckles) SAYID: In love?We, the audience, would assume that Elsa is referring to Flight 815 when she mentions a crash, but she also says that she knows nothing about Sayid.
It is therefore not a guaranteed assumption that the whole world knows of Sayid as one of the Oceanic Six.

Sun, Hurley, Jack