I could tell throughout the entire episode that his was a FB. I wasn't shocked at all that he wasn't one of the Oceanic 6. But I did think there was a chance that he was still on the island....
I'm so sad that he is dead. I assume other people will want to post similar sadness....

I'm so sad too. That might just have been the most heartbreaking scene ever in Lost for me. I mean, I was more choked up by that than even Charlie's death.

And they definitely fooled me. I had no idea it was a FB.

But really, this is just so, so sad. Is there a chance he is still alive on the island and Sun doesn't know it? I can't help but hope for a happy ending, even though I wouldn't be surprised if Lost doesn't turn out to be a happy ending kind of show.

They fooled me, too. My husband got it though. :( RIP Jin.

I cried. Like a little girl. Lost hasn't made me cry like that since Shannon died.

i thought it was a flash forward, that he went back to work for piek, it was just a different time line. :confused:

I was fooled because Sun was asking for him like he was still around and able to come to see her.
I hope somehow that he's alive, but geez, that was so damn sad. Why do TPTB have to be so damn cruel?! Jin has been an awesome character, and he started being a favorite of mine since season 2.
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OMG. That was so sad. I was first sad that Jin didnt make it in time to see the birth, then I was mad, thinking he went back to work for Mr. Paik and delivered a panda to some other baby, making him miss the birth, then when it finally hit me in the end (I'm so glad I've given up spoilers for the past 2 seasons), I was just a mess. I cried just about as hard as I did for Charlie. Poor Jin.
My hubby thought Jin's cellphone was a bit outdated, and that should have really stuck out to me...when he said he's been married for 2 months, I only got confused, not enlightened! Silly me. Great episode.

I was crying too, not the least of which because I am pregnant and could totally sympthasize with Sun. :frown: I really, really hope that he is alive on the island. Barring that, I hope he does make it home with her and dies in Korea. That would be an unexpected twist the writers might pull on us.

Jin may still be alive on the Island. His "date of death" was listed as 09/22/04, which is the date of the crash. So he may still be on the Island with everyone else that was assumed dead.

I'm so saddened by this. I hated Jin at the start of the show, only to come to totally love him as he became a better person. I was hoping that they could have a happy ending, since my favorite couple didn't. :frown:

TPTB ARE FRIGGEN MEAN!!

Take us through ALL that to kill him :sob: I cried... That was so mean.. He better not REALLY be dead.. maybe that was just a cover story.

I was sad, too. Til someone on the linear board said, 'Why does Jin's tombstone say 2004 09 22?' So I double checked, and that's what it says. So until I see a screencap and a translation, I won't believe he's dead. His 'death' could be another elaborate Oceanic 6 lie, orchestrated by Mr Paik.

i thought it was a flash forward, that he went back to work for piek, it was just a different time line. :confused:

Ha ha. I got confused in that kind of way too. I was thinking, WHAT? There is some freaky parallel dimension/mirror universe thing going on, but I guess it's much simpler than that :frown:

Unfortunately, I do not believe he is alive. I held out hope until the last moment of the episode, but it would make no sense for Sun and Hurley to visit the tombstone if there is a chance Jin is still alive on the island.

Jin may still be alive on the Island. His "date of death" was listed as 09/22/04, which is the date of the crash. So he may still be on the Island with everyone else that was assumed dead.
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Nice Texan Boy... LOL :kiss:

Could be that Sun and Hurley know Jin is on the island. He might of had to stay behind and a story was made up. Would make sense for them to visit the grave if people are watching.

I understand what you are all saying. I also thought the tombstone was just an Oceanic 6 ruse, since the date of death says 9-22-04. But seriously, it would make NO sense for Sun and Hurley to visit the grave if Jin were really alive on the island. They would have a conversation together about how sad it is that S&J are separated or something.... they wouldn't visit a fake grave.

Could be that Sun and Hurley know Jin is on the island. He might of had to stay behind and a story was made up. Would make sense for them to visit the grave if people are watching. That's a good enough explanation for me. I didn't think Jin was really dead but now that I know the "date of death", I'm convinced that Jin is still alive on the island. There's going to be another Jin&Sun reunion.

This strikes me as an instance of brilliant writing if he really is dead, cuz they managed to make two tearjerkers with just one death! Imagine how sad we'll be when he actually bites it, likely near the end of the season (or, who knows, sooner).

I assumed that Jin was alive on the island, and Sun was so sad because despite the fact that he's alive, he's thousands of miles away, and she'll never see him again. I'm sure most of the victims of 815 (really dead or Losties still there) have monuments, gravesites, etc. I was so surprised to see the number of people who actually believe Jin somehow got off the island with Sun and died subsequently! Even if he IS still back on the island (as I believe he is), it's so sad that she is left to raise little Ji Yeon without him.

If we are not counting Jin as one of the Oceanic 6 then we have Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and...? It would mean either a dead Jin (which I think it is just a marker saying he died in the crash), Ben or Desmond under an assumed identity of one of the Losties, Aaron, Michael or a still yet to be named character. Do I have this right?

I probably shouldn't post my supposition without concrete evidence to back it up, but I won't have a chance to rewatch the episode til tomorrow. So, here goes.

I think Jin is alive, but not on the island. I think Sun and Hurley know that he's alive. Sun and Hurley didn't give the impression that they were going to sad event. I think they were reinforcing a lie. I do think that whatever lies the O6 are forced to tell include putting on a good show to make the lie believable.

Also, I don't think the Jin scenes were FBs but I have a harder time being convinced of that. His cheerful statement that he'd only been married for 2 months is a puzzler. But I think he's been exiled to China working for Mr Paik.

Only time will tell. :rolleyes:

I was confused - I guess it's a flashback and a flash-forward. My brain hurts...

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Nice Texan Boy... LOL :kiss:

:redface: Well you know, anything to cheer up the masses!
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I probably shouldn't post my supposition without concrete evidence to back it up, but I won't have a chance to rewatch the episode til tomorrow. So, here goes.

I think Jin is alive, but not on the island. I think Sun and Hurley know that he's alive. Sun and Hurley didn't give the impression that they were going to sad event. I think they were reinforcing a lie. I do think that whatever lies the O6 are forced to tell include putting on a good show to make the lie believable.

Also, I don't think the Jin scenes were FBs but I have a harder time being convinced of that. His cheerful statement that he'd only been married for 2 months is a puzzler. But I think he's been exiled to China working for Mr Paik.

Only time will tell. :rolleyes:

Well, that cell phone he was using using was quite a clunker! Not like the fancy phones Jack and Sayid were using in the FF's. The old phone was what sealed it as a FB for me.

There is ZERO doubt that Jin's was a FB. Re: the tombstone, unless they were putting on a show for the media (which we didn't see) then there is no way Jin is alive. I reiterate that there would no reason for them to visit the grave if they both know he is really alive.

I could tell throughout the entire episode that his was a FB. I wasn't shocked at all that he wasn't one of the Oceanic 6. But I did think there was a chance that he was still on the island....
I'm so sad that he is dead. I assume other people will want to post similar sadness....


I though that he got off of the Island with the Oceanic 6 but died sometime after that.
Or maybe he stayed on the Island so she could leave.

His date of death on the tombstone is the date of the crash. He did not get off the island.

There is ZERO doubt that Jin's was a FB. Re: the tombstone, unless they were putting on a show for the media (which we didn't see) then there is no way Jin is alive. I reiterate that there would no reason for them to visit the grave if they both know he is really alive.

But why not? It's a place that at least signifies Jin, it would be the same as someone visiting a tombstone even of there was no body in the grave. Why go to the tombstone if the body wasn't there? Because the marker is a place to go to that signifies the loved one. Nothing in what Sun says definitively states Jin is dead, all she basically says is "I miss you", "I miss you so much".

I see your point, and I thought the same thing, but it just seems weird to me. She could just tell Hurley how much she misses Jin. To go to a gravestone that she knows doesn't really represent Jin, because Jin is really alive, just doesn't make sense to me.

If Imm proven wrong, great. I'd like Jin to live. But I'm sticking with this for now.

I see your point, and I thought the same thing, but it just seems weird to me. She could just tell Hurley how much she misses Jin. To go to a gravestone that she knows doesn't really represent Jin, because Jin is really alive, just doesn't make sense to me.

If Imm proven wrong, great. I'd like Jin to live. But I'm sticking with this for now.

Well not many things in LOST are straightforward or logical.;)

I agree it's not something I would do, but there are many things I wouldn't do that many characters do on LOST.:rolleyes:

lol true dat Todd

I do think it's at least slightly possible that Sun clearly believes Jin died, but that he is somehow still stranded on the island. Or that somehow transportation to and from the island is no longer possible, and he is as good as dead to her.

I'm not even saying it's likely, but I think there is more to this than meets the eye.

Also intertwined somehow is Jack's claim (during Kate's trial) that only eight people survived the plane crash. Clearly we're led to believe that as far the world knows, every single person on the plane (including Jin) is dead other than the Oceanic Six, and that the remaining two died on the island after the crash. I think that is behind the date on Jin's tombstone.

Personally, I'm at that stage of having no idea one way or the other. Welcome to Lost. ;)

Jin may still be alive on the Island. His "date of death" was listed as 09/22/04, which is the date of the crash. So he may still be on the Island with everyone else that was assumed dead.
Now that's a good point. Is that what was on the tombstone? Cause that is the date of the plane crash and we know he was still alive on December 24, 04.. so maybe his death has been faked by someone.. and he is still working.
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I was actually thinking that the Panda was a bomb.. that he was delivering under Mr. Paik's name, but that in reality he now works for Ben (like Sayid does).. as an Asian assassin. Using Mr. Paik's name in a hospital maternity ward murder of an ambassador's daughter would be something Ben would do if Paik is an enemy of his.. Mr. Paik would have all of the Korean population after his head.
Sun believes that Jin is dead, but we don't know what preceeded all this. Maybe they were both flash forwards, but at different times.. One in 2005 and the other in 2012. eek

I cried. Like a little girl.Yeah I had tears streaming down my face when I realized he was most likely dead.

Jin is my favorite Lostie. I cried at the gravesite scene. My avi is very sad too.

At least Jin got to share with his wife the birth of their child!

this is my first post but I have been reading the threads for a long time now. Never cried except for this episode, I didn't realize how much I had grown to love Jin!

On another note, I believe that the date on the tombstone was to make us think about a cover up and how/when/if Jin made it off the island and where he died. I don't have any ideas about that, but I think there is a possibility that when he said he'd do anything to help his wife and baby, that he really would do anything!

Even though I was sad it wasn't a surprise to me. **edited**

I think that when the Ocanic 6 get off of the island, for some reason they think everyone else on the island dies. Volcano? Tsunani? Then, at some alter point, they realize that their friends did not die, likely due to visits from people like Charlie telling them that they have to go back. This is why, I believe, that Hurley and Jack suddenly want to go back - they found out that everyone else is still alive. That is also why Abaddon asked Hurley if they were all still alive. So maybe Sun thinks Jin is dead, and hasn't found out that he is still alive yet. Does that make any sense?

They totally had me the whole time with the FB/FF. I was shocked as all heck. And depressed for the next hour. I cried, too... I was like, "Those $&%^ killed off Jin!"

**edited** Was still very shocked to see the mix of FB/FF. I thought for sure he was alive in the FF and that they were going to have to figure out a creative way of killing him off. They did a good job of pulling the wool over our eyes!

Unfortunately, I do not believe he is alive. I held out hope until the last moment of the episode, but it would make no sense for Sun and Hurley to visit the tombstone if there is a chance Jin is still alive on the island.

This.
Until I see a body...

I think there is a possibility that when he said he'd do anything to help his wife and baby, that he really would do anything!

I had a sinking feeling when he said that (well, when the captions told us he was saying that). Then he promised he'd never leave Sun. Didn't Jin remember he was on the Island of Fate when he said that?

It's possible that Jin DID get off the island with Sun, but had the same bad reaction that Desmond and Minkowski the radio guy had. Hence him having a flashback, and Sun having a flash-forward.