I loved the scene with Jin and Bernard fishing. They are the good guys indeed.

I loved that scene also. It was heartbreaking to hear Bernard tell Jin about Rose's cancer. I guess that scene was what led Jin to forgiving Sun.

Is Locke the only other one that knows about Rose's cancer. Bernard was so kind to Jin. Very touching indeed.
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Is Locke the only other one that knows about Rose's cancer? Bernard was so kind to Jin. Very touching indeed.

I loved that scene.. and I was wondering why Rose and Bernard didn't go with Locke since we know that Rose thinks the island is keeping her alive. I was happy to see them address it.

Obviously it made Jin understand that he was bad to Sun to cause the affair and now he was one of the good guys. Karma... I love it!

I felt that Bernard calling Locke a murderer and calling himself and Jin "the good guys" was a bit hypocritical considering he had killed two others just a few weeks ago. Jin also has quite the shady past. I like both characters, Jin alot, but I just felt that it was some pretty flimsy rationalization.

Locke did murder an innocent woman. Well, relatively innocent because she was hired by that creepy dude and Widmore. But Locke did it because The Island told him to. That makes him look murderous to Bernard. Who is that actor who plays him. What a brillant performance. He just had a few minutes but with that back story of Rose's cancer he hit it out of the park. Brilliant. And working Karma once again into mainstream media. This will be huge internationally, esp in Korea, neh? It was just an amazing scene. Totally reconnected Jin with Sun because of his violent and abusive past. He was an a------. remember?

hmmm.. karma. Like Bernard said...you make bad decisions, bad things happen.

So did all the Losties make really crappy decisions to end up on the island?
And did Jin's bad decisions of working with Papa Paik land hand him his death sentence?

inquiring minds want to know..

hmmm.. karma. Like Bernard said...you make bad decisions, bad things happen.

So did all the Losties make really crappy decisions to end up on the island?
And did Jin's bad decisions of working with Papa Paik land hand him his death sentence?

inquiring minds want to know..

Yes, I think so. I think having karma as an overarching theme to think about in terms of contextualizing our Losties is interesting.

Maybe I'm the only one that watches NBC, but when he mentioned the karma thing, in nearly the exact same way Earl explains it, I could only think that the producers were making a joke.

From Bernard and Rose''s point of view Locke killed a young woman in cold blood by throwing a knife in her back.....guess thats why they stayed with Jack....different to fatal casualties in a 'war' enviroment aka what Bernard did to save the losties.....the whole thing is it appears Bernard helped Jin forgive Sun....Bernard's simple 'unfettered and pure" love for Rose filtered through Jin's pain....pretty great scene and thankfully helped Jin forgive his wifes adultery (he basically blamed himself...which is sad...she didn't have to be unfaithful even though she was hurt and afraid....but at least Bernard gave him a focus away from himself and what happened)...... to realise he loves Sun and would do anything for her

When Bernard said, "we must be the good guys," I couldn't help but think of Ben explaining to Jack (paraphrasing), "We're the good guys. The people on that boat are the bad guys!"

I felt that Bernard calling Locke a murderer and calling himself and Jin "the good guys" was a bit hypocritical considering he had killed two others just a few weeks ago. Jin also has quite the shady past. I like both characters, Jin alot, but I just felt that it was some pretty flimsy rationalization.

Agree, Jin aided in those killings as well, I know his dynamite didn't explode, but I remember him shooting someone. Karma must have remembered that, at least for Jin.

I really liked that scene though for other reasons. Daniel Dae Kim and Sam Anderson both played pretty evil characters at the Wolfram and Hart law firm on Angel, far away from being "The Good Guys".

Agree, Jin aided in those killings as well, I know his dynamite didn't explode, but I remember him shooting someone. Karma must have remembered that, at least for Jin.

I really liked that scene though for other reasons. Daniel Dae Kim and Sam Anderson both played pretty evil characters at the Wolfram and Hart law firm on Angel, far away from being "The Good Guys".

I was just thinking about them both on Angel too, they played such bad characters, and are such good characters on Lost. :biggrin:

I really liked that scene, it was just so nice for Bernard to be honest and help Jin understand that he was bad to Sun to cause the affair and the whole karma stuff helped.

Happy they finally addressed Rose/Bernard's reasons for not wanting to go with Locke.

I loved that scene also. It was heartbreaking to hear Bernard tell Jin about Rose's cancer. I guess that scene was what led Jin to forgiving Sun.

I agree. And it would also explain why she was able to conceive on the island. (Even though Jin supposedly doesn't know he is infertile)

I've read a lot of complaining about that scene (that is was long and boring) but I disagree. I thought it was very sweet and touching. It's nice to read that others liked it too.

Loved Bernard's explanation for not going with Locke... and it makes perfect sense. Glad someone is calling Locke for what he is - a murderer. Bernard and Jin are indeed the good guys. Their decision to stay behind and defend the camp in TTLG was heroic and I can't quite believe some people are actually comparing this with Locke's murder of Naomi.

As for karma... I hope it's true but making the right choice and being selfless didn't help Charlie much.

A lot of people have found Rose and Bernard to be boring characters because they don't figure much in the main storyline, but I think they each are there to play a "Jiminy Cricket" role; to be a voice of conscience, acceptance, and understanding.

And they do it well...

I agree with Wes. Both Rose and Bernard are placed in the story when they are needed most and the actors who play them handle the roles beautifully. As a cancer survivor myself I hold a special place in my heart for both of them.

I thought the scene with Jin and Bernard was so touching and pivotal in Jin's forgiveness of Sun. It brought tears to my eyes.

I loved the exchange between Bernard and Jin. You just gotta love Bernard. He has the kindest eyes I just wanna hug him.

Between the use of karma, and the repeated mentions of the "list", I think I see a spinoff show coming...

"I'm just trying to be a better person. My Name is Bernard."

Who is that actor who plays him [Bernard]. What a brillant performance.

Bernard is played by Sam Anderson (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0027402/), a pretty well-established stage and screen character actor. He might be most remembered as the principal in Forrest Gump who works out a "deal" with mom while young Forrest sits out on the front porch.

Agree, Jin aided in those killings as well, I know his dynamite didn't explode, but I remember him shooting someone. Karma must have remembered that, at least for Jin.

I really liked that scene though for other reasons. Daniel Dae Kim and Sam Anderson both played pretty evil characters at the Wolfram and Hart law firm on Angel, far away from being "The Good Guys".

I love the little tidbit about the Angel connection! Thanks for posting this! My husband was an Angel fan but I'm not sure if he's put this together.

I mean, the two have been through a lot together. They first met when Jin, Michael and Sawyer encountered the Tailies; Bernard enlisted Jin as part of his "S.O.S." crew; and the two were part of ambush in the season 3 finale.

I also really liked how Jin didn't reject Bernard, accepted his offer for some time together, and listened to his advice. Shows how much he had changed on the island. :)

there is already a whole thread on this topic. please use search feature or read a few thread titles before just posting a new one.

paclives, searching is always disabled on Fridays, and I read back 4 pages, didn't see the thread.

Nevermore - YES! that scene rocked... it was my favorite, next to Ji Yeon's birth.

The scene reminded me of "old Lost."

I liked it overall. I agree with Doc Jensen that it was a bit cornball, but it stayed within acceptable parameters for me, so yeah I liked it. I also like that Bernard is a bit cornball so it was in character, like a grandfather type.

I had not thought of all that those two have been together, but yes, that is right. Wasn't Jin the last to leave the SOS rock formation? Cannot remember.

I loved it too, and I agree that it felt like "old Lost".

It has such a season 1, quiet, character-driven feel to it.

It was a great scene - but I didn't agree with Bernard's Karma Theory. If everyone who murdered someone is going to have bad Karma then NO - he is NOT a "good" guy. Becasue Bernard killed Others when he participated in shooting the explosives. Not a good theory, I'm thinking.

It was a great scene - but I didn't agree with Bernard's Karma Theory. If everyone who murdered someone is going to have bad Karma then NO - he is NOT a "good" guy. Becasue Bernard killed Others when he participated in shooting the explosives. Not a good theory, I'm thinking.

Killing someone in a state of war (which was seemingly the circumstance) is not murder if that is what you're saying. Bernard could still be good. :)

I loved it. This had to be the hardest moment in Jin's life. And he was able to reach out to a friend, when he looked back and said, "Come". The pain on his face reminded me of when he learned Sun could speak English, but back then, Jin was so terribly alone. Sun was all he had. Now, when he learns what Sun had done, he is not alone. A really great scene.

It was an excellent scene, and one which showcased how much Jin's character has developed and how much back to his old self he has become (his old self when he first met Sun before he worked for her father). One of the things I have really enjoyed this season is the pairings of some different characters to interact with each other. The Sawyer/Hurley pairing is wonderful as is the Desmond/Sayid one.

It was one of my all-time favorite Lost scenes ever.

I loved it too, and I agree that it felt like "old Lost".

It has such a season 1, quiet, character-driven feel to it.

That is exactly how I felt about the scene. The Sun and Jin reconciliation in the tent had the same quality, too. These quiet heartfelt scenes, the ones where our characters connect, are the ones that make me truly care about Lost.

i loved this scene because i missed bernard

It was a great scene - but I didn't agree with Bernard's Karma Theory. If everyone who murdered someone is going to have bad Karma then NO - he is NOT a "good" guy. Becasue Bernard killed Others when he participated in shooting the explosives. Not a good theory, I'm thinking.

You are 100% correct that this statement can't be applied literally in this story, but it has a deeper punch that Bernard has unknowinly aimed right into Jin's gut. Bernard is naively talking about them being good guys, without knowing about the horrible things Jin has done. He says that when people do bad things, bad things will happen to them, and this is literally true for what's just happened to Jin. Jin realizes tht if he hadn't followed the terrible path of being Paik's enforcer, then Sun's unfaithfulness wouldn't have happened. So Jin has at least partly brought the situation on himself, and Bernard's comment rings with irony.