The return of Michael is now confirmed. But where's Walt and how soon will Michael be asked this question. In true lost form it may be episodes before someone pops the question to Michael. And what was his name...Kevin Johnson?

So, Michael stays behind as Ben's spy ... so that Walt can go "home" and live alone???:confused:

Yeah, where IS Walt?? Just had to repeat that, sorry.

We don't know enough yet to make any assumption on Walt. For all we know he's on the boat, too.

I'm guessing Ben has him stashed somewhere - to coerce Michael to be spying.

Yeah, where IS Walt?? Just had to repeat that, sorry.

Don't apologize. We're all confused? I'll repeat...

Where's Walt?

In tonight episode it was reveal that Michael was Ben's inside man on the freighter boat. But if Michael on the freighter, where is Walt? Did Walt ever make it off the island with Michael, or is Ben still holding him hostage. What do you think happen to Walt?

I'm guessing Ben has him stashed somewhere - to coerce Michael to be spying.

That's my guess. I thought maybe they made some kind of deal to let Walt go home in exchange for Michael's help, but I don't think Michael would let Walt out of his sight now... specially if there's a chance that Ben's involved.

It's so hard to speculate, since we have no idea how Michael even came to be on the freighter and presumably working for Ben. Walt is the only leverage I can see Ben having over him, unless somehow Michael is afraid Ben will reveal that he killed Ana and Libby. I don't know... I definitely don't think Ben could have Walt somewhere on the island.... and I don't see (yet) how Walt could have gotten to land. Therefore, I'm going to have to go with him being on the boat.

So confusing.

Maybe another boat intercepted Michael and Walt's boat and took Walt again? I have no idea. The thing is Malcolm David Kelly hasn't been in the credits like Harold P. has been, so...... it makes me think he won't bo on the boat?...

Walt is the only leverage I can see Ben having over him, unless somehow Michael is afraid Ben will reveal that he killed Ana and Libby.

I really like the idea of Ben using what Michael did to get his son back (killing Ana-Lucia and Libby) against him.

From LTDA:

MICHAEL: How do you know I won't tell people about where I was?

BEN: Maybe you will, maybe you won't. But it won't matter. Once you leave, you'll never be able to get back here. And my hunch is you won't say a word to anybody because if you do, people will find out what you did to get your son back.

This definitely sounds like something Ben would do. Notice he say's "..people WILL find out what you did to get your son back." This makes it sound like he can provide proof. I know we saw the Swan being monitored by the Pearl hatch, but I wonder if it records and Ben has footage of Michael killing Ana-Lucia and Libby.

I really hope they don't resort to Ben taking Walt again, I hope it's the other scenario you suggested instead.

Walt is probably lost in time. Ben holds the key to releasing Walt and thus Walt's daddy is now a spy on the boat. Doa good job Michael and I (Ben) will set Walt free.
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Walt is probably lost in time. Ben holds the key to releasing Walt and thus Walt's daddy is now a spy on the boat. Do a good job Michael and I (Ben) will set Walt free.

Walt is
Swapping the poop deck!

Also I think Kevin Johnson is a name from sports somewhere not sure.
Anyone know or is there a more significant Kevin Johnson, that perhaps
this is a nod to?
Such a generic sounding name, maybe that's the point.

I checked wikipedia. Not much there. KJ play for the Pheonix Suns and is running for mayor of Sacramento. Also an old Dudley Moore movie "The Disappearance of KJ". A football player, singer and ventriloquist, too with that name.

If Michael is on the boat, then where is Walt?

My initial thought when we head the banging on the freighter was that it was Walt trying to communicate with Sayid and Des, or anybody for that matter. I mentioned this in another thread, but nobody picked up on it.


Thoughts?

Maybe Michael got off the island, and Ben contacted him telling him that the Losties are in trouble, and he had to help them...he obviously has guilt over abandoning them. Michael does have a mother, and maybe Walt is living with her now. Just a theory.

Maybe Michael got off the island, and Ben contacted him telling him that the Losties are in trouble, and he had to help them...he obviously has guilt over abandoning them. Michael does have a mother, and maybe Walt is living with her now. Just a theory.

This makes a lot of sense.

Maybe Michael got off the island, and Ben contacted him telling him that the Losties are in trouble, and he had to help them...he obviously has guilt over abandoning them. Michael does have a mother, and maybe Walt is living with her now. Just a theory.

I don't know.....Ben has a whole troop of people whom he trusts and who actually trust him, why would he call Michael?

Unless there was something in it for Michael I doubt he would come back anyways, guilt or no guilt....

There is something in it for him: Saving his friends. Isn't that was Sayid is working for Ben too?
Ben enjoys manipulating people into doing his bidding, why not Michael? Also, how many Others really trust Ben anymore? And vice versa? A few of them have already sold him out...nevermind the fact that Ben SAID Michael was his man on the boat.

I don't know.....Ben has a whole troop of people whom he trusts and who actually trust him, why would he call Michael?

Unless there was something in it for Michael I doubt he would come back anyways, guilt or no guilt....

I agree. Michael has always been extremely selfish. It was always "I need to get off the island" and "me, me, ME" with Michael.

I think when Ben gave Michael the coordinates to get off the island, Ben knew it would take him right to the freighter.

I agree. Michael has always been extremely selfish. It was always "I need to get off the island" and "me, me, ME" with Michael.
I disagree. It was all about getting Walt off the island. If he has done that, which I think he might have, he would probably go back to help the other survivors.

There is something in it for him: Saving his friends. Isn't that was Sayid is working for Ben too?
Ben enjoys manipulating people into doing his bidding, why not Michael? Also, how many Others really trust Ben anymore? And vice versa? A few of them have already sold him out...nevermind the fact that Ben SAID Michael was his man on the boat.

Did Ben actually say the Micheal was his man on the boat? I know I thought for sure he would in his deal with Locke but I don't recall him actually saying it? I could have missed it. Lord knows I missed the whole Jin was in the past thing last night. ;)

Yes, I believe he did.
In the scenes for next week, we see that Locke's camp knows about Michael. That leads me to believe that Ben told Locke that Michael is his man on the boat

I believe that Walt is on the boat and he wrote the message to Syid and Des. The note was in scribbled child's handwriting, not the penmanship of a skilled artist's hand like Michael's.

I believe that Walt is on the boat and he wrote the message to Syid and Des. The note was in scribbled child's handwriting, not the penmanship of a skilled artist's hand like Michael's.
I didn't see it that way. I think it was written in a way that no one could analyze the handwriting. It was block letters or something.

I believe that Walt is on the boat and he wrote the message to Syid and Des. The note was in scribbled child's handwriting, not the penmanship of a skilled artist's hand like Michael's.

So you think Walt is on the boat too? Why didn't Ben say, "I have "people" on the boat" then instead of "man"? Or do you think that Walt is there unbeknownst to Ben and it is Walt who is helping Des and Sayid and NOT Michael?

That would be a good little twist!

Walt's mother is dead.

Walt's mother is dead.
Were you referring to me saying Michael left Walt with his mother? I should have been clearer: I think Walt is with Michael's mother, not his own mother.

Walt's mother is dead.


When I first read BuffyMars post, I thought this too. But what she said is that Michael has a mother. I'm thinking that this makes sense. Walt is probably with one of Michael's relatives. I don't think he'd get Walt involved with any of this again considering what he went though to get him off that island.

I think that if Michael got away then so did Walt and probably is with Michael's mother. It's clear to me from the promos for next week that Ben is blackmailing Michael with Walt the way he is with Sayid and his friends. Ben can obviously get to anyone, anywhere.

Actually, the first thought I had last week when Harper showed up in the jungle to Julia was that it was a lot like Walt showing up to Locke after he was shot.

Just because we saw Michael and Walt sail away together doesn't mean they stayed together. Ben seems to have a way of getting just what he wants. Ben could have Walt the same way as he has Harper and the others and Michael is doing, whatever he is doing for the same old reason. To save Walt.

Ben sent Harper, somehow, to Julia with his message. Ben could have also sent Walt. I know that's far fetched but this IS Lost, after all. Since Walt helped Locke after he was shot it could be Walt didn't do what Ben actually told him to do. I don't know, just a thought.

Man if you ask me, I can't see Michael trusting someone to take his kid "home". After what he went through with Zeke & the gang, I just don't see Michael letting Walt leave his side. Walt is somewhere on the boat and obviously has a channel to the island b/c Locke saw him. Walt's presence there may have something to do with the "cabin fever". He's on the boat, man.

Man if you ask me, I can't see Michael trusting someone to take his kid "home". After what he went through with Zeke & the gang, I just don't see Michael letting Walt leave his side. Walt is somewhere on the boat and obviously has a channel to the island b/c Locke saw him. Walt's presence there may have something to do with the "cabin fever". He's on the boat, man.

I agree. I don't see any way that Michael leaves Walt with somebody else intentionally. They spent too much time apart, and Michael was always about being with Walt. I think Walt has got to be on that freighter. We just don't know where yet.

I agree. I don't see any way that Michael leaves Walt with somebody else intentionally.
Even if it's his own mother? I mean, remember before they got on the plane, he tried to get his mom to take Walt? I think he would definitely trust her with Walt.

How long has it been (in Lost time) since Michael and Walt left on the boat? Has there been enough time for them to get all the way home, be contacted by Ben, make arrangements for Walt, and then sail back out to the island on the freighter?

Walt might be dead, I doubt it but maybe Walt get killed some how and Michael is trying to get redemption of some kind. The only reason I believe that this is a possibility is because the Walt the Locke seen when he was shot in the hole of dead bodies seemed much like the Charlie the Hurley saw at the mental hospital.

Ben promised Michael that he and Walt could sail away and get rescued.

He didn't promise that he wouldn't kidnap Walt after that, however.

They put an implant in Claire - could they have done the same to Walt to guarantee Michael's cooperation later?

For some reason, Michael is helping Ben. Ergo, Ben has significant leverage over Michael. I do not believe for one second that Michael had a change of heart and thinks that Ben is one of the "good guys."

Upon rescue, Michael did not go public as a survivor of 815. He went under cover as Kevin Johnson on the freighter - why? Would it be possible for Walt to live with his grandmother without some acknowledgment of his surviving the crash of 815?

Yes, Michael killed Ana Lucia and Libby -- but there's no one else off the island who knows that. Sure, I'll bet Ben has a tape of the whole thing. After all, the Swan was being watched by the Pearl -- would that be enough leverage? Would Michael care about going to prison as long as Walt was safe with his family?

I believe that either a) Walt is on the freighter and likely acting as a catalyst to make the crew go crazy/do crazy things like suicide; or b) Ben has him locked away somewhere else. In either case, he uses Walt as leverage against Michael and vice versa.

The parallel of Walt's ability to cause the death of birds and the recent spat of deaths on the freighter, I think, is too obvious to ignore.

I think that if Michael got away then so did Walt and probably is with Michael's mother. It's clear to me from the promos for next week that Ben is blackmailing Michael with Walt the way he is with Sayid and his friends. Ben can obviously get to anyone, anywhere.

So how did Michael reach home and back? I thought it was stated that the boat that Ben gave Michael could not reach the mainland. (the episode when Walt was taken off the raft)

I believe that Walt is on the boat and he wrote the message to Syid and Des. The note was in scribbled child's handwriting, not the penmanship of a skilled artist's hand like Michael's.
Good catch!
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I think that if Michael got away then so did Walt and probably is with Michael's mother. It's clear to me from the promos for next week that Ben is blackmailing Michael with Walt the way he is with Sayid and his friends. Ben can obviously get to anyone, anywhere.
SPOILER FONT!!!

I believe that Walt is on the boat and he wrote the message to Syid and Des. The note was in scribbled child's handwriting, not the penmanship of a skilled artist's hand like Michael's.

Artists don't always have good penmanship.

I didn't see it that way. I think it was written in a way that no one could analyze the handwriting. It was block letters or something.

or just so that it would show up well on TV

Ben promised Michael that he and Walt could sail away and get rescued.

He didn't promise that he wouldn't kidnap Walt after that, however.

Right....Ben chooses his words carefully. Never assume that Ben means anything more or less than what he says.

They put an implant in Claire - could they have done the same to Walt to guarantee Michael's cooperation later?

Possibly...but wouldn't being "held" on that freighter be enough to make him cooperate? Or the threat of losing Walt again would do it too.

For some reason, Michael is helping Ben. Ergo, Ben has significant leverage over Michael. I do not believe for one second that Michael had a change of heart and thinks that Ben is one of the "good guys."

And I think that leverage is the protection of Walt.

Upon rescue, Michael did not go public as a survivor of 815. He went under cover as Kevin Johnson on the freighter - why? Would it be possible for Walt to live with his grandmother without some acknowledgment of his surviving the crash of 815?

I think we might see that Michael found a message from Ben on his "escape boat" telling him exactly what to do when he is discovered by the Freighter. I don't think Michael would have made up the "Kevin Johnson" story for no reason.

Yes, Michael killed Ana Lucia and Libby -- but there's no one else off the island who knows that. Sure, I'll bet Ben has a tape of the whole thing. After all, the Swan was being watched by the Pearl -- would that be enough leverage? Would Michael care about going to prison as long as Walt was safe with his family?

I don't think that's it. Sure, Michael doesn't want to go to prison...who does? And I don't think that Michael is going to let Walt be raised by someone else without a fight, even if it is family.

I believe that either a) Walt is on the freighter and likely acting as a catalyst to make the crew go crazy/do crazy things like suicide; or b) Ben has him locked away somewhere else. In either case, he uses Walt as leverage against Michael and vice versa.

a - Yup....I think you've got this one right on the money.

b- I think it's the Freighter people that have Walt locked up. He must have done something really freaky. And I think it was Walt making all the noise on the pipes. Either directly or telepathically


The parallel of Walt's ability to cause the death of birds and the recent spat of deaths on the freighter, I think, is too obvious to ignore.

Me too.

I think that Ben was telling the truth, that the people on the boat are planning on attacking the island. So Ben kept Walt on the island so that Michael would be forced to help him prevent the attack.

If Walt is on the boat, that's gotta mean that they were acrtually picked up by the Freuighter just after Season 2 finale. Now, since these guys are already aware that there are survivors of Flight 815 on that island, don't you think it would be a little too suspicious if they found a black man with his son lost in the middle of the sea next to the island were precisly a man like him and his son crashed?????? They would make the connection easily. The guys on the freighter KNOW about Flight 815 passengers.
But I have to admit that that was my idea for a long time. Now I am not so sure.
I think Ben's people intercepted Michael's boat. They took Walt again. Micahel made it to civilization. Ben contacted him and they made a deal involving seen Walt again. Of course!.
Also, this might sound stupid, but Michael's hair and looks are VERY different from Season 2 finale....