It was a Nextel i615 http://www.digitalconn.com/phones_files/i615.jpg

This phone wasn't yet manufactured when Sun and Jin were first married, although Jin's flash could be a flashback or flashforward, however I feel that that is unlikely.

It should also be noted that Jin, by all visual accounts, was in Korea with that phone, when he bought the panda bear. Nextel does not now, or ever has offered service in Korea.

I smell something fishy.

they forgot to go to the "old cell phone vault" production error

i guess the prop department didn't have enough time to research phones that were available in korea in 2000 and weren't able to procure one in time for the shoot. i did notice Jin's phone was rather big and oldish looking, but once again i didn't get the hint that it was a flash back. this is the second time a cell phone model was a clue as to when the flash took place.

I think this is the point. After Jack's and Sayid's flash forwards where they use sleek phones, the phone looked big, old, and 2000ish. I noticed that it looked awfully old for Jin to be using after 2004, but I still didn't get that it was a flash back at that point.

The cell phone was one of the things that clued me into it being a flashback... Are you sure about that model....? Looked like a older Nokia to me.

Also remember, Asia gets the cool phones long before we ever see them. Most of the time 1 to 2 years!!! So don't be too hard on the prop dept.

If that phone is a nextel, why does it have a Motorola logo at the top of it?

I was definitely clued in that it was a FB by the older-looking phone. But I'm not going to split hairs about what model it is and if it was available in Korea in 2000. They don't have the time to do that much research.

Jin's phone vs Nextel i615
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l199/richg8/i615.jpg
Note the "rubberized" body of the main housing, with the lighter colored front panel. Note the big button on the side of the phone beneath the volume buttons, it controls the PTT (push to talk) for using the Nextel Direct Connect 2way feature.
Note the identical dimensions, from keypad, and LCD screen, to antenna size.

That phone was not manufactured prior to 2007.
If Jin's flash wasn't a "FF" is disguise, then it was just another prop error.
tsk tsk

wasnt jin in china though?

Note the identical dimensions, from keypad, and LCD screen, to antenna size.


Close, but not identical.. the outer digit buttons on Jin's phone curve up more, and there's a noticeable difference in the width between the screen and the keyboard.

wasnt jin in china though?
You may be right, but even though, that phone would not work in China, Nextel service uses the GSM network in China, not the iden network as in America, That phone is not GSM capable.

I'm still confused? Is it a Nextel phone manufactured by Motorola?

Jin's phone vs Nextel i615
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l199/richg8/i615.jpg
Note the "rubberized" body of the main housing, with the lighter colored front panel. Note the big button on the side of the phone beneath the volume buttons, it controls the PTT (push to talk) for using the Nextel Direct Connect 2way feature.
Note the identical dimensions, from keypad, and LCD screen, to antenna size.

That phone was not manufactured prior to 2007.
If Jin's flash wasn't a "FF" is disguise, then it was just another prop error.
tsk tsk
Good eye rich!! This was, however an obvious disguise or trick by the production crew to have us think that Jin was still alive and one of the Oceanic 6. It had me going until the end, when it was revealed that Jin died.

I'm still confused? Is it a Nextel phone manufactured by Motorola?
Yes, if you go go http://Nextel.com look at the rugged phones, and find the i615, you can even go to a rotating 3d view of the phone and see it at the same angle that you see Jin's phone, and yes, on Nextel's website it does show you the Motorola logo on the earpeice.

Yes, if you go go http://Nextel.com look at the rugged phones, and find the i615, you can even go to a rotating 3d view of the phone and see it at the same angle that you see Jin's phone, and yes, on Nextel's website it does show you the Motorola logo on the earpeice.

Ok, I'm with you now. I was just confused by the fact that the logo area on the Jin's phone pic and the other phone seemed very different. You can't see the actual logo itself on the phone that's on the street, but it looks like a different mold up in that area.

could we say they use "recyled phones" for props?! would explain the differences..

What was in Jin's hand when he opened the door a the hospital? Looked like a phone, even though his phone had just been smashed.

I think this is the point. After Jack's and Sayid's flash forwards where they use sleek phones, the phone looked big, old, and 2000ish. I noticed that it looked awfully old for Jin to be using after 2004, but I still didn't get that it was a flash back at that point.

Yeah I noticed that the phone looked a little to big and old, but the light bulb didn't go off in my head that it was a Jin flash back.

Yeah, I think this one (again) is far fetched. I don't think what exact brand of cell it is is supposed to be relevent. I'm guessing (like many others) that it was basically a cellphone that looked old, so people would say:" Oh my God, that's an awefully old phone Jin have there" same as the "Year of the dragon" thing. Just 2 little clues that people may or may not catch to discover it's a flashback before it's actually revealed!

It's not the first time we've seen a prop error. Wasn't it Jin's resume that had errors on it and TPTB had to appologize because it was being completely over analyzed. Sounds like this is the case with this phone too.

I still don't think it's a Nextel Motorola i615. On Jin's phone there's a lot more space between the bottom of the display screen and the top of the keypad than on the Nextel Motorola i615. Also the OK button on Jin's phone is Huge and Sticks out, when you rotate the i615 on the nextel web site you can see that the OK button is flush with the other buttons.

It's not the first time we've seen a prop error. Wasn't it Jin's resume that had errors on it and TPTB had to appologize because it was being completely over analyzed. Sounds like this is the case with this phone too.

There was also the error with the army recruiting poster in one of Desmond's episodes, and the wrong date on the x-ray in a Jack flashback.

I think the two tech props we were suppose to notice was the LCD/ Plasma in Sun's apt and Jin's cell phone. They were clearly about 8 years apart in technology.

What was in Jin's hand when he opened the door a the hospital? Looked like a phone, even though his phone had just been smashed.
Looked to me like Jin was holding the ribbon's that he used to wrap around the panda (blue one) when he found out it was a boy. Not a phone.

Why would he need on old phone? It was a FF

Why would he need on old phone? It was a FF
Nope,FB. Hint: He tells the nurse at the end, when he's leaving the hosp. he's only been married two months.

^That is part of the life he was forced to assume after faking his death.

Nope,FB. Hint: He tells the nurse at the end, when he's leaving the hosp. he's only been married two months.


I didn't know Jin and Sun were married in 1999/2000

^That is part of the life he was forced to assume after faking his death.
Faking his death yet still working for his father-in-law at Paik Automotive? You sure 'bout that theory? :undecide:

i viewed the phone as a solid, durable phone. much like the one that my mom's boyfriend has that is able to pick up a signal in areas where there isn't many cell phone towers. i also felt like sun has been lied to and that jin was alive and when he was delivering the panda to the embassador i got the impression that he has gone back to his old life(much like sayid has) and the island life didn't change who he was.

at the end of the episode was i the only one that heard the almost menacing sound effect (like dum, dum ,dum when something bad happens) when jin said that he was only married for 2 months. this gave me the impression that he was married to another woman. at no point during this episode did i have the impression that this was a flashback for jin.

i viewed the phone as a solid, durable phone. much like the one that my mom's boyfriend has that is able to pick up a signal in areas where there isn't many cell phone towers. i also felt like sun has been lied to and that jin was alive and when he was delivering the panda to the embassador i got the impression that he has gone back to his old life(much like sayid has) and the island life didn't change who he was.

at the end of the episode was i the only one that heard the almost menacing sound effect (like dum, dum ,dum when something bad happens) when jin said that he was only married for 2 months. this gave me the impression that he was married to another woman. at no point during this episode did i have the impression that this was a flashback for jin.
Very interesting theory,indeed. Although I don't agree that the island didn't change Jin's life, or that he is involved in any way in decieving Sun about his death. His current actions on the island, his willingness to forgive Sun for her past infidelity, him wanting to learn english so they could build a life together in America, all show that he has a "new-found" love for his wife, and would do anything possible to be with her.

I too noticed the menacing sound effect when Jin said he was only married two months. Before that point everyone was assuming that Jin's scene was a FF along with Sun's hospital scene. My feeling was that the writers were attempting to trick the viewers into thinking that Jin was one of the O6, and at that point revealed that it was a FB, and what better way to show that than with a menacing sound effect.

Again, these are only my opinions. I could be wrong.

Ok it took a couple hours but I found the real phone its a Motorola i605 not i615, I made a new comparison photo for it
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7592/i605zr5.jpg

Still a Nextel phone released in 2005

Ok it took a couple hours but I found the real phone its a Motorola i605 not i615, I made a new comparison photo for it
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7592/i605zr5.jpg

Still a Nextel phone released in 2005
You are Da Man!!! Perfect match, I'd say!

let me start by saying i believe it was a FB but if the phone was released in 2005, that would be eerily close to the time the FF should be taking place, sun's FF anyway.

let me start by saying i believe it was a FB but if the phone was released in 2005, that would be eerily close to the time the FF should be taking place, sun's FF anyway.

I really think it is nothing more than they got an "older looking" phone. They have already said it was a FB.

Faking his death yet still working for his father-in-law at Paik Automotive? You sure 'bout that theory? :undecide:

Yes, Mr. Paik is involved with the cover-up. Probably involved with the island, too, since he is very wealthy like Widmore.

Yes, Mr. Paik is involved with the cover-up. Probably involved with the island, too, since he is very wealthy like Widmore.
Do not disagree that there is some kind of cover up. Obviously, from the date of death on Jin's tombstone theres some decieving going on. Yes, Mr. Paik could be involved but at this point its all speculation.

I do, however disagree that the scene with Jin and the cell phone is a FF and has anything to do with the cover up.