So what was the banging coming from? At first I thought it would be someone locked up in the ship (ben's spy/michael) but we never really found out. Was it someone banging their head on the wall? Maybe I watch too much CSI but that looked more like splatter from a gunshot than from blunt trauma. On second thought it cant be though since the Dr said that the banging wasnt as loud on this side of the ship suggesting the banging was still going on.

So do we think there is still someone being held captive somewhere on the boat?

Yeah I guess someone is captive. I don't know. I assume the blood was a gunshot. Someone else committing suicide. But I really have no idea.

How about the real captain? Cuz I'm not buying this Golden bloke as the real captain.

My impression of that was scene was Sayid believed someone was trying to communicate with he and Desmond via Morse Code. It's more likely someone had "cabin fever" and killed themselves ala Radzinsky in the room where the Doc was taking Sayid and Desmond.

I agree that someone shot themselves. Definitely looks like something from a gunshot.

But why wasn't it heard?
And why would you allow a suicidal person in a room with a gun? (I got the impression that the room looked more like a restraint room. Not a bedroom like the one Des and Sayid were in. Maybe I just didn't get a good enough look at it...?)

My impression if that was scene was Sayid believed someone was trying to communicate with he and Desmond via Morse Code.

That is what I had thought too. I figured Sayid knew morse code and was trying to figure it out. I also thought the bloodstain looked like a gunshot (also thanks to CSI shows)

My impression if that was scene was Sayid believed someone was trying to communicate with he and Desmond via Morse Code.


I totally thought so too. For a moment I'm like holy crap banging...then WHOA it's MOrse Code!! and just then it stops.....

ARGH who was it?

I love Lost lol

My impression if that was scene was Sayid believed someone was trying to communicate with he and Desmond via Morse Code.

Agreed..
I think that the banging or possible morris(sp) code was Michael, perhaps saying, "Don't trust the captain"..

The blood on the wall another suicide?!

I was wondering about the banging also. I wonder how many people were/are really on that boat? They seem to be having some major side effects just being in the general area of the island.

I was wondering about the banging also. I wonder how many people were/are really on that boat? They seem to be having some major side effects just being in the general area of the island.


Well as an Dexter fan it seemed to me it was a stain from someone banging someone's unfortunate head against the wall over & over until it cracked. Ok yuck

So what was the banging coming from? At first I thought it would be someone locked up in the ship (ben's spy/michael) but we never really found out. Was it someone banging their head on the wall? Maybe I watch too much CSI but that looked more like splatter from a gunshot than from blunt trauma. On second thought it cant be though since the Dr said that the banging wasnt as loud on this side of the ship suggesting the banging was still going on.

So do we think there is still someone being held captive somewhere on the boat?

This is one messed up ship. I think the bloodstain was from someone blowing their brains out. The banging I thought was work being done on the engine.I would not be suprised if someone was locked up.

I thought it implied that someone had been banged to death...as in murder, but could be suicide.

I never thought of the banging as morse code, but I like it! I just assumed it was another one the crew members going crazy, but I love the morse code idea.

The blood stain definitely looked like a gunshot from a suicide, I have no idea who though.

I agree that someone shot themselves. Definitely looks like something from a gunshot.

But why wasn't it heard?

Ray said it was on the quiet part of the ship, presumably away from everyone else, maybe no one heard it or at least Sayid and Desmond didnt as they must have been on the louder end of the ship before.

Well as an Dexter fan it seemed to me it was a stain from someone banging someone's unfortunate head against the wall over & over until it cracked. Ok yuck

Oh disgusting :undecide:

I also get the image of someone just going slowly insane and just banging their head against the wall over and over. Creepy.

I'd like to think it was from a gunshot, though. (Just why wasn't it heard??? Unless it happened before Des and Sayid came.)

The ghost of Radzinsky? ;)

I thought we didn't hear the gunshot b/c it was before they were on the boat. But who knows.

Ray said it was on the quiet part of the ship, presumably away from everyone else, maybe no one heard it or at least Sayid and Desmond didnt as they must have been on the louder end of the ship before.

But wouldn't a gun shot be loud enough to hear, even in the "quiet" part? And we know the others knew about it, because Ray was saying how it was supposed to be cleaned up.

Well as an Dexter fan it seemed to me it was a stain from someone banging someone's unfortunate head against the wall over & over until it cracked. Ok yuck

Dexter did pop into my mind as well. Now I'm thinking that might have been the case, and therefore there would be no gunshot to even hear. Just another crew member suffering this "cabin fever"?

So what was the banging coming from? At first I thought it would be someone locked up in the ship (ben's spy/michael) but we never really found out. Was it someone banging their head on the wall? Maybe I watch too much CSI but that looked more like splatter from a gunshot than from blunt trauma.

Yeah, my first thought was that someone had obviously blown their head off.

I think if it was morse code that our jack of all trades sayid would have called it out instantly. I could have seen other characters just ignoring it as banging but Sayid would have known what it was. It could have been the engine being worked on or maybe we were hearing when someone broke the engine as was mentioned at the end of the episode.

And we know the others knew about it, because Ray was saying how it was supposed to be cleaned up.

Which makes me think it happened recently. My only guess is Dexter like others have mentioned.

The captain said they are trying to fix the ships engines...thus banging. The blood stained wall is where one of the crew probably had to off one of the other crew members. What amazes me is how cool is the doctor and the captain about crew members offing themselves. Its like who cares.... kinda scary huh, you go nuts you die or someone kills you and nobody cares.

Are they quarantining Sayid and Desmond for their protection or for the crew's protection?

Why does the crew care whether or not Sayid and Desmond are comfortable and away from the noisy banging? They don't care if one of their own jumps off the deck with 100 pounds of chains wrapped around them.

I think that Sayid knew the sound because it's one of those torture things...to bang someone's head against the wall...oh, not a gunshot...not enough blood or splatter or brain matter on the wall.

I liked the mice and cockroaches. :rolleyes:

It had to be banging that could not be stopped. If someone is sending morse code or banging to get attention or help, the crew would just go into the room and shut them up. This was probably banging trying to get the engine's working again.
The blood stain was high up on the wall.. sort of indicating that the blood splattered upward.. like someone shooting themselves through the top of their mouth or under the chin.. not face on.

The ghost of Radzinsky? ;)


my thoughts exactly! this image was so very reminiscent of the Radzinsky head-blowing-off stain. the sickness? the slow going-of-crazy that happens to one once the island starts to reveal it's secrets?

show me the way to go home... i'm tired and i wanna go to bed....

I also believe that the stain on the wall was from a self inflicted gunshot. But, I do not believe that who ever was there was the origin of the banging. When the doc brought Desmond and Sayid to that room, he said that it was the quiet side of the ship. As to what that banging was, I can't even begin to guess. On a side note: I am happy we no longer have to put Michael in spoiler tags

I thought it was gunshot splatter. And this is a room in the quiet part of the ship? Hate to be on the hoppin' side.

Danielle's "sickness" revealed on the freighter?

this ship is creepy as all heck, that's all i know

this ship is creepy as all heck, that's all i know

Between the ship and the doctor it's just like playing Silent Hill.

Danielle's "sickness" revealed on the freighter?

My thoughts exactly!

Woot! Finally a thread in one of my areas of expertise! The blood spatter is high-velocity, upward directionality, and the person was standing fairly close to the wall for it to be so contained and for there to be so much blood (enough to drip down). I'm replaying the scene now. I don't have HD, so I can't tell about brain matter, but it's not from someone banging their head into the wall (the spray of blood was strong enough to defy gravity - a regular concussive head wound would have had a bloody mess and drips downward, but nothing going straight up), or arterial spray (would have been wider).

It looks like a gunshot. Could have been to the neck or shoulder area, but the trajectory appears to be going upward, so the shot came from a lower angle. Not surprising, since it's too high up in the room to really match the average man's height. My best guess - suicide, with the gun held in the mouth, pointing slightly upward. No blood on the floor, but a secondary small patch of blood lower on the wall, so it looks like the person could have ended up in a sitting position - but not for long. The body was removed fairly quickly.

Screencaps would help, esp. if in HD, though...

So we have, a possible suicide by gun in Sayid and Desmond's room, theother time-jumper dying, Regina commiting suicide, and weird banging that Sayid says is not mechanical...strange. I agree with others that the 'cabin fever' may be something akin to the sickness that Danielle talked about

So we have, a possible suicide by gun in Sayid and Desmond's room, theother time-jumper dying, Regina commiting suicide, and weird banging that Sayid says is not mechanical...strange. I agree with others that the 'cabin fever' may be something akin to the sickness that Danielle talked about


Yea... except Danielle's crew didn't commit suicide. She murdered them... :rolleyes:

I like the Radzinsky-style suicide theory. Could it be possible, though, that the person inside Sayid and Desmond's room was murdered and also was responsible for the banging? It's likely that the prisoner was confined to the room for quite some time, and maybe he or she banged at the pipes either to get someone's attention in hopes of being freed or to warn Sayid and Desmond. The freighter crew could have decided that the person was too much of a threat or too much of an annoyance, and then shot him or her, leaving the blood stain on the wall. When the doctor told Sayid and Desmond they were getting a room in the "quiet" part of the boat, maybe his meaning was more sinister -- it was quiet because the banging stopped when they murdered the person responsible.

If there is a sickness affecting the crew randomly then why aren't they leaving the area? I remember the captain saying something...but I can't remember.

Also, where would the guy who was in that room get a gun if he shot himself?

I still think he banged his head until dead or someone else shot him...but the doctor's nonchalance either way is disturbing.

Wow, I never took the banging that way and I agree with the poster that said if there was banging going on in the form of communication it would have been stopped. Because Desmond was freaking out from it (well becoming tense and frustrated), but Sayid was remaining calm and saying someone was doing it on purpose, I took it that it was psychological warfare tactics that Sayid would be familiar with. It was too rhythmic to just be banging on engine repairs, and it was implied by Desmond that it had been going on for awhile, so that is why I thought they are torturing them, but not directly in their face, but Sayid saw through it.

Walt's causing the deaths damnit!

I have no clue about the bloodstain.
But my guess on who is knocking is that its is Naomi. Im thinkin she is locked up in the freighter's freezer morgue and finally woke up from the Medusa spider bite she got while tromping thru the jungle.
Ya, Im still hanging onto she is alive untill they show her dead body again.

~~Puzzled

The ghost of Radzinsky? ;)



Radzinsky, meet Brandon ;)

The doctor implied that the person offed himself or herself..by the way he didn't bother to explain it to Desmon or Sayid..and the way he told the "janitor Kevin" to clean it up. Not that he seemed bereaved, but he didn't seem suprised by Desmond's sickness or worried for Minkowski either. He's like the doctor from hell. He has no bedside manner.

I didn't hear the banging-- I wonder if I somehow missed a scene.

can anyone enlighten me as to where I've seen the freightees before? the captain,
the doctor, and that henchman guy all are so familiar. Regina too.

What KILLED me was neither Sayid or Des asked questions about that stain. HELLO would you want to go where someone could just have easily HAD their brains blown out by someone else?

Not one question of that; especially from a former torturer? That looks like blood splatter? Did they shoot themselves or did you do it? It even looks sort of fresh ? It looks like they were mighty short or sitting when they died?The room lacks personal items is this where you store prisoners? If they cleaned the room of personal effects why not the blood?
Is it the quiet part of the ship so they won't hear us scream?

Ask a question! Stop being a sheep and following without thought! :rolleyes: :42fight: WAKE UP!

I thought it implied that someone had been banged to death...as in murder, but could be suicide.

I agree with the murder theory. After all, this seems to be one messed up bunch.

I can accept murder. Stand by my original comments on the nature of the spatter, though - gunshot from below, up close.

And Naomi in the freezer knocking is the creepiest image I've read on this board in a long while... shudder.

I have no clue about the bloodstain.
But my guess on who is knocking is that its is Naomi. Im thinkin she is locked up in the freighter's freezer morgue and finally woke up from the Medusa spider bite she got while tromping thru the jungle.
Ya, Im still hanging onto she is alive untill they show her dead body again.

That is absolutely the worst theory I've ever heard... and I'm totally on board with it :D They spent so much time showing us Naomi's dead body, with those eyes wide open, it kind of reminded me of of the undead Nikki and Paulo. So even though there's no logical reason (as if there would be anyway) to believe Naomi is still alive, I'll hang on with you.

I think the banging was a form of communication that Sayid was trying to translate. I think he's keeping such things to himself until he can trust that Desmond won't freak out again.

I found it ironic that they were given a new room for their "comfort". Hmmmm bunks in a clean room to a bare room with roaches, mice and blood stains -- all the comforts of home.

The doctor -- wasn't that the actor who played the X-Files boss? It's been bugging hubby and I as well.

Maybe the bloodstain was not a suicide but an execution.

Maybe the bloodstain was not a suicide but an execution.


through the wall of the ship? nah? but anyway why the axe?

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hahaha.. It's probably Walt summoning a whale or fishes to bang themselves against the side of the ship like the birds banging against the windows in Room 23.

Walt is one messed up kid... think.... Carrie.
100%
Woot! Finally a thread in one of my areas of expertise! The blood spatter is high-velocity, upward directionality, and the person was standing fairly close to the wall for it to be so contained and for there to be so much blood (enough to drip down). I'm replaying the scene now. I don't have HD, so I can't tell about brain matter, but it's not from someone banging their head into the wall (the spray of blood was strong enough to defy gravity - a regular concussive head wound would have had a bloody mess and drips downward, but nothing going straight up), or arterial spray (would have been wider).

It looks like a gunshot. Could have been to the neck or shoulder area, but the trajectory appears to be going upward, so the shot came from a lower angle. Not surprising, since it's too high up in the room to really match the average man's height. My best guess - suicide, with the gun held in the mouth, pointing slightly upward. No blood on the floor, but a secondary small patch of blood lower on the wall, so it looks like the person could have ended up in a sitting position - but not for long. The body was removed fairly quickly.

Screencaps would help, esp. if in HD, though...

hahaha you're expertise? Remind me never to invite you to my parites... but you can totally join my guild on WOW.

Whether the bloodstain was suicide,execution, or assisted suicide....the people on the freighter are losing it!!! Too close to the EMP radiating off the Island ever since Des turned the failsafe key. It's causing brain tumors,mental illness, or both!

They seem to be having some major side effects just being in the general area of the island.


so what does that mean anyways,.. that our losties are immune to these side effects??

and these sick like symptoms,.. are we to presume its the same "sickness" danielles team came down with before she killed them?

my head hurts,

so what does that mean anyways,.. that our losties are immune to these side effects??

and these sick like symptoms,.. are we to presume its the same "sickness" danielles team came down with before she killed them?

my head hurts,
I'm wondering if the Dharma food and drinks have something in them to provide immunity to the Losties and the Others?
And yep...I think it is very possible that it's the same "sickness" as Danielle's crew.

Another possibility is that the Losties had been recieving low levels of electromagnetism all along while on the Island so when hit with the increased EM , their bodies/minds weren't thrown for a loop like the freighter crew.

Kinda reminds me of an episode from season 6 of X-Files called "Drive" where people in a desert town were victims of The Hum (an electromagnetic phenomenon -- or perhaps a government experiment), which drove them crazy and resulted in heads exploding. But the Lost Powers That Be wouldn't copy X-Files, would they?

through the wall of the ship? nah? but anyway why the axe?

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The ax is right next to the "fire station". Not an uncommon thing to find...a fireman's ax. That is a standard piece of hardware that anchors the ax to the wall. The blade/cutting edge slips into the wall mounted sleeve and the handle is usually held in place with a tension ring or clip type of fixture.

Kinda reminds me of an episode from season 6 of X-Files called "Drive" where people in a desert town were victims of The Hum (an electromagnetic phenomenon -- or perhaps a government experiment), which drove them crazy and resulted in heads exploding. But the Lost Powers That Be wouldn't copy X-Files, would they?

I thought of this exact thing during the reveal of the room with the bloodstain. I instantly thought of the banging they heard, kind of like how the guy in Drive banged his head on the window until he finally popped... hmmm, I don't think these people are "popping," though ;) but the frustration and motivations leading to the deaths is very reminiscent of that XF episode.

Maybe the entire freighter crew are not working for Widmore....but are actually LOST tv show fanatics that were so desperate for answers to the show that they leased a boat and ventured out into the south pacific to find the fictitious island and plot answers for themselves. And with the location of the island and adequate answers not forthcoming, our LOSTaholics are going wacko and killing themselves.:rolleyes:

I'm just going to throw this guess in and say that we'll soon learn that Michael killed someone and made it look like a suicide. That seems like a plot twist the show does all the time.

I'm thinking the stain was from constant banging of the head against the wall. Once it was numb enough it cracked due to the pressure.

Like dropping a watermelon from the Sears tower.

Maybe the banging is why the person in the room brained himself. A slow torture? Just kidding. It looks more to me like someone was shot. Someone who was locked up in cockroach room. We won't figure that one out.

What's up with these boat people. Not only did the captain not raise a brow when the chained woman went overboard, the crew didn't either. Are they all zombies?

Kinda reminds me of an episode from season 6 of X-Files called "Drive" where people in a desert town were victims of The Hum (an electromagnetic phenomenon -- or perhaps a government experiment), which drove them crazy and resulted in heads exploding. But the Lost Powers That Be wouldn't copy X-Files, would they?

I don't think they are copying, but I do think there are similarities between the two shows. Even The Constant had me thinking of an X-Files episode.

On topic though, I think the bloodstain is a result of a gunshot. The sickness caused Minkowski's brain to hemorage, but not literally explode.

I assumed the banging was supposed to be some kind of psycholgical torture and that was what Sayid's comment made me belive.

The blood splatter definitely could have been from an under-the-chin or in-the-mouth gunshot but all my forensic expertise comes from my wife's obsession with Law & Order and CSI. :biggrin:

Stain on the wall was lima beans, banging was noise when somebody was trying to open a can.

That is absolutely the worst theory I've ever heard... and I'm totally on board with it :D They spent so much time showing us Naomi's dead body, with those eyes wide open, it kind of reminded me of of the undead Nikki and Paulo. So even though there's no logical reason (as if there would be anyway) to believe Naomi is still alive, I'll hang on with you.

Thank you very much :biggrin:
Im glad someone gets it, when they kept showing her for 3 weeks while she was supposadly dead I just kept expecting her to pop back up and say
"what happened" or something like that. And well Nikki was in the episode (on Sun's TV for like 2 seconds) so that lends a little credibility to my "creepy" theory LOL.:tomato1:
~~Puzzled