The giveaway for me was the cell phone that he was using. You got a clear view of it when it was knocked from his hands and it obviously wasn't a very modern one and i knew they were telling us something.

Something felt wrong all along, even from the very beginning. If Sun was going into labor, why wouldn't she call Jin first? Forget first, she didn't even call him at all!

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems Jin's Flashback was just to mess with us, to confuse the viewer, it didn't actually push the plot along or serve any purpose. If that's true, I say to the writers - WEAK.

The flashforward from last season was pertinent to the plot, and that's what made it interesting. This just ends up being a gimmick. Very disappointing.

I knew from spoilers I read six months ago. ;)

Cardie

The giveaway for me was the cell phone that he was using. You got a clear view of it when it was knocked from his hands and it obviously wasn't a very modern one and i knew they were telling us something.

I starting getting a little suspicious when Jin was adamant that he wanted a panda and he was getting angrier with the store clerk when he initially wouldn't sell him the panda that was reserved. I would think any stuffed animal would have been fine for a newborn child, why did it HAVE to be a panda? His mood in those scenes was suspicious.

The giveaway for me was the cell phone that he was using. You got a clear view of it when it was knocked from his hands and it obviously wasn't a very modern one and i knew they were telling us something.

like oh my god, that phone was like so like 5 years ago or something.

The giveaway for me was the cell phone that he was using. You got a clear view of it when it was knocked from his hands and it obviously wasn't a very modern one and i knew they were telling us something.

I immediately noticed the phone, too, but I figured that it was an oversight or something.

I didn't really grasp that it was a flashback until the very end, when Jin said he'd only been married two weeks...

:frown:

The way he looked was a complete match to his pre island look and his attitude was that vicious mean Jin from pre island. The thing that sent me over the edge was his crazy struggle to get the panda. If it was set up in Sun and Jins back story that they NEEDED a panda for their childs birth then it might have made sense. It just seemed very out of character for someone expecting a baby.

The phone, the dragon, the way he yelled that he'd hunt the man down and kill him (totally post-Paik employee, pre-island jin) and you know that Sun or the baby wouldn't care if they had a panda, a dog, or polar bear (which is what I thought he would end up buying as soon as I saw the stuffed animals). They would rather he was there with her on time for the birth than buying a gift. It just didn't feel right from the start.

I was duped until the very moment he said something about the ambassador being a grandfather now. I then realized it was a flashback and not a flashforward. The writers really pulled a great one on me this time around.

i figured it out when i logged on here and seen the thread title.

i was wondering wtf was going on,and came straight on here expecting to see threads moaning at the writers for introducing parallel worlds/possible futures after saying they wouldn't

I didn't realize until the ending then I felt stupid all over again, like in the first flash forward with kate and Jack. I was however perplexed by the reference to the year of the dragon (thinking flashforward 2012), and Jin's cell phone (so old, 2000 year of the dragon) so I pegged the whole thing as a flashback with Sun have labor problems with a first child. Then I rememberd a nurse refer to her as an O6,
so I settled on flash forward but the phone kept bugging me. Still at the last possible minute I put it all toghether and thought how cool, a flash back and flash forward. This is why we love lost!

When the store clerk said it was the Year of the Dragon, which was in 2000. The flash-forward sure wasn't 2012, given Sun's still pregnant state, so that was about the end of that. I was expecting a bit of a twist though, but Jin having "died" in the crash was not one of them. Also good to see off-island Hurley too.

The giveaway for me was the cell phone that he was using. You got a clear view of it when it was knocked from his hands and it obviously wasn't a very modern one and i knew they were telling us something.

Same here. Also when the shop clerk said it was the year of the Dragon (which was 2000).

I thought it was some sort of Desmond-esque 'stuck in time' scenario.

Though I knew he wasn't going to be with Sun when she kept seeing him everywhere when she went into labor.

When the store clerk said it was the Year of the Dragon, which was in 2000. The flash-forward sure wasn't 2012, given Sun's still pregnant state, so that was about the end of that. I was expecting a bit of a twist though, but Jin having "died" in the crash was not one of them. Also good to see off-island Hurley too.

I caught the 'year of the dragon' and thought how weird that Sun is giving birth in year of the dragon as it is still way off (I coordinate Chinese NY events so am somewhat familiar with the animal signs) I knew it couldn't be a continuity mistake, so was thinking what a huge time discrepancy the island has.

I did not get that it was a FB till the end. Good writing an acting.

I was fooled until he mentioned only being married for two months. I know a lot of people think it was a cheap gimmick, but personally I thought the whole thing was well done, and an excellent storytelling device. It is definitely something that could only work this one time, though.

i figured it out when i logged on here and seen the thread title.

i was wondering wtf was going on,and came straight on here expecting to see threads moaning at the writers for introducing parallel worlds/possible futures after saying they wouldn't


Same here, I had no idea, just a REALLY big headache...it makes sense now, but I was appropriately LOST tonight :P

Usually I pick up on things (I figured out Jack's flashforward really early on) but this episode had me so fooled/confused! I noted Jin's old cell phone but didn't put two and two together. Even when he said he had just gotten married, I thought to myself, oh my gosh, he dumped Sun and remarried! Even when Sun when to the grave, I figured Jin or Mr. Paik had faked his death and Sun only *thought* he was dead.

Finally someone told me when the show was over.

What was the point to have Jin's flashback? Other than to confuse us. Is there some information we needed to know from this?

I knew from spoilers I read six months ago. ;)

Cardie

Wow, I'm glad it wasn't spoiled for me, but no need to be smug. Spoilers take all the joy out of thinking about the possibilities, but rock on I guess.

The phone was the only tipoff for me, but I didn't consider it that odd since I am using a 4 year old cell phone myself (no cool texting keyboard for me, etc).

When he is trying to present the Panda to the ambassador I was stupidified. As has already been commented I did consider it WEAK. I get ya they are showing us part of that side of his old self where he is the lacky for her father, but his anger over the cab was kinda justified in my opinion. :-P

It went straight over my head. Nothing tipped me off lol. When he said he was only married for 2 months I was like...he remarried?? :dizzy:LOL And when the guy said it was a boy I was like...why are they lying to him? When Sun and Hurley went to the cemetary I was like, Does Jin have amnesia and they think he's dead?? :blink: The year of the Dragon thing really should have tipped me off!!!!

I knew when he went back for another panda instead of just going to the hospital. I don't think Jin would have spent so much time on a panda if Sun was actually laying in the hospital having his child.

I suspected something wasn't kosher when the man took Jin's cab, Jin had the mob muscle mouth going. Much more angry than present day Jin, who goes fishing instead of blowing his top, when he finds out of his wife's affair.

Not until he said that he had only been married 2 months. That's when everything fell into place (including the old phone). In fact, as he was leaving the ambassador's room I expected him to somehow discover that his own wife was in that very same hospital having her baby.

When the store clerk said it was the Year of the Dragon, which was in 2000. The flash-forward sure wasn't 2012, given Sun's still pregnant state, so that was about the end of that.

same here i jumped up when he said "yr of the dragon" so I knew he was in a flashback and i did kinda get the sense that something happened to JIN...in Sun's flashforward

I was really slow to figure this one out. Like Blue Coral, my first thought when he said "married for 2 months" was that Jin was being forced to live a secret second life by Paik and had re-married.

I didn't get it until Sun's moment in the cemetary.

There were definitely clues: the old cell phone, the year of the dragon, but I don't know anything about the "years" and I never notice things like cell phones.

That was a great twist.

Those who didn't get it 'til the end, don't feel bad. I watched the episode twice last night AFTER watching it the 3rd time. I figured it out after I woke up this morning. Well played lost creative team.

Same here. Also when the shop clerk said it was the year of the Dragon (which was 2000).


It was the Dragon for me. My daughter was born in 2000. When I heard the store clerk mention the Year of the Dragon my reaction was, "Oh, no!" :eek:

Another clue was that Jin was not recognized as one of the Oceanic 6 like Sun - I was really confused when he got to hospital and he was visiting the ambassador (why would you be working for Paik on this day) - but to be honest I wasn't really sure what was going on until he said "married for 2 months"

I thought something was up when I noticed how old his cell phone was when it got damaged, but I'll admit that I didn't figure it out until it was spelled out at the end. In fact, when he first approached the security guard and said something about Paik, I said "Oh Christ, Jin. You get off the island and get a second chance and you're back to your old tricks?"

I guessed it during his first flashback. As I watched the rest of the episode with that in mind, the little clues made it more obvious, so there was no shock or surprise at the reveal.

Something felt wrong all along, even from the very beginning. If Sun was going into labor, why wouldn't she call Jin first? Forget first, she didn't even call him at all!

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems Jin's Flashback was just to mess with us, to confuse the viewer, it didn't actually push the plot along or serve any purpose. If that's true, I say to the writers - WEAK.

The flashforward from last season was pertinent to the plot, and that's what made it interesting. This just ends up being a gimmick. Very disappointing.

I myself was completely caught off guard.(they made it look as if she had called Jin by putting him on a cell phone from his perspective) I thought it was actually a very cool idea, not disappointing at all. these shows are sopposed to entertain us and keep us guessing. If we were able to see through their plot lines all the time we might as well be watching re-runs. The purpose of Jins flashback was to show us that we as fan's have a lot to look forward to in these last 2 1/2 seasons or so. We can guess and come up with theorys all we want but the writers will still throw us a curve ball every once in a while. Plus think about it, if all we saw was sun delivering the baby by herself all we would have focused on was where was Jin? and they were saving that reveal until the end, so we would have had nothing to look forward to because most of us would have guessed that he was either dead or still on the island. So imo the writers and the plot was NOT - WEAK

[quote=rebelscum;1817259]i figured it out when i logged on here and seen the thread title.

Thank God I thought I was the only one.... :redface:

year of dragon very good year.....bad year for hairstyles.

Actually I wasn't paying close attention, so I figured out it was a flashback when it was obvious at the very end lol. :ohwell: :p

Honestly? I figured it out once I logged onto this board!! I'm sat there going, ooo sun's dad never approved of their marriage, and now their back from craphole island he must have wiped his memory somehow, and lead Sun to believe he was dead, Paik would definitely have the power and resources to pull that off... how shameful! :undecide:

Another clue was that Jin was not recognized as one of the Oceanic 6 like Sun - I was really confused when he got to hospital and he was visiting the ambassador (why would you be working for Paik on this day) - but to be honest I wasn't really sure what was going on until he said "married for 2 months"

I thought the fact that he was not recogonized was a big clue, I wasnt sure it was a flashback until the end when he said he was only married two months. The whole time i was trying to figure out why he was not being recognized like the rest of the Oceanic 6. His anger was also another hint for me.

I thought it was a flashback all along. The hair man....

It first appeared as a parallel editing to Sun's delivery ; him buying a panda toy, him saying that he is going to hospital, and only thing I thought is he going to make it in time, but when he said he came for ambasaddor and wanted to congratulate him on the birth of his grandchild and he was there to deliver a message from Paik, I realized a time-shift. And when Jin said that he was only married for two months to the nurse on his way out, it was all confirmed for me; it was a flashback.

Not until Jin said he had only been married for two months.
Before that I was thinking forget the stupid panda and get to the hospital.

After the first flashback for Jin, I knew something was up. At first I thought his was a dream of being off the island and not being able to make it to the hospital to see Sun. All of this because she wakes him up from sleep after the first flashback. Then the year of the dragon, crazy acting with the cab and the cell phone all confirmed there were definitely two different time lines going on at the same time.

I noticed the cell phone but I thought it was just a prop error or some type of business phone. When he said I have only been married 2 months, I was like "Ohhhhhh". The Dragon thing went right over my head.

I got it only when he said he'd only been married two months. Yes there were other clues but there were other ways they could have fit in, like Jin being desperate to impress Sun with a huge panda or something. Duh!

Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems Jin's Flashback was just to mess with us, to confuse the viewer, it didn't actually push the plot along or serve any purpose. If that's true, I say to the writers - WEAK.

The flashforward from last season was pertinent to the plot, and that's what made it interesting. This just ends up being a gimmick. Very disappointing. Exactly. After the first time, seeing Jin's FB again adds absolutely nothing to the fabric of Lost. TPTB had teased that we wouldn't know if some of the character centrics were flashbacks or flashforwards. I guess they were too clever by half.

When Jin was cursing at the cabbie, I thought it was totally out of character, no matter how badly he needed to get to see Sun in the hospital. That made me think something was up. When he asked if it was a boy or a girl, I knew this wasn't a flashforward, but a flashback.

I noticed the cell phone was old when it dropped to the ground, but what sealed the deal was the Year of the Dragon thing. My brother and I turned to each other and said "year of the dragon?"....so I quickly googled it as I knew it wasn't recent since I was born in the next year, the year of the snake...and noted it was either 2000 or 2012. It was then that we decided that it was a flashback, and then the other clues like the hairstyle and Jin in the hospital sealed the deal. At that point knowing those clues it was a guess on our part that when Sun and Hurley were going to see Jin that it was going to be Jin at a cemetary.

I just rewatched the episode. The store clerk tried to sell Jin a Dragon for the year of the Dragon 2000-2001