Where to start?!
Why did she say that to Jin?! (about Sun's affair).
I know you may have logic and reasoning behind it, but
it was not her place to just blurt it out like that. I was
hoping Sun's reaction would have been the same only
with a closed fist.
She breaks up a marriage, lies, or doesn't bother explaining
much (ever), always responds with some half-***ed answer
and then Sun was supposed to trust her.

Banish her to the dark territory.
Uggh, getting tired of her character.
What could Jack possibly see in her?!

Her singles ad would read:

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Interested in opera, stem cell
research and Petula Clark.
Enjoys, triangle love affairs,
lying and other shady things
that will surface as I become
more and more untrustworthy.
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my wrongs as I continuously
only think of myself.
If interested call 815-2342

Yeah, I was a little shocked at Juliet tonight... guess she really would do anything to save Sun and the baby, but damn!

LOL I think you should start a new thread and do singles ads for all the characters.

She got slapped by Sun. That's enough to make me happy.

LOL I think you should start a new thread and do singles ads for all the characters.

I would love if someone else did it..
If you set it up I will give you 15-16% in all papers sold.

I thought she said it because Jin had said that wherever Sun goes, he goes. If he were angry at Sun, I doubt he'd follow her around like a doting husband. Juliet did not want Sun to go to Locke because she believed she would be rescued if she stayed with Jack, and therefore Sun and her baby would live. It was brutal, but accomplished its goal, and the truth is better than a lie.

Juliet did what she thought she had to do to make them stay. Though it may not be the best way, she did it with good intentions.

I thought she said it because Jin had said that wherever Sun goes, he goes. If he were angry at Sun, I doubt he'd follow her around like a doting husband. Juliet did not want Sun to go to Locke because she believed she would be rescued if she stayed with Jack, and therefore Sun and her baby would live. It was brutal, but accomplished its goal, and the truth is better than a lie.

Agreed 100%, no doubt in my mind or to anyone else that,
those were her reasons why...
Just shows she has no couth or communication skills.

If she wants people to trust her, then she needs to stop with the
mixed signals and start telling the truth about everything.
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Juliet did what she thought she had to do to make them stay. Though it may not be the best way, she did it with good intentions.

P.S. announcement:
All of this could have been avoided if Juliette came clean from
the day she entered the Losties camp and acted in a manner that
would gain her trust.

Well, she did try communicating but Sun wouldn't listen. ;)

First day she came to their camp, they already didn't trust her because she had the term Other. Besides, she did show that she could be trusted by helping them and betraying the Others. If she came clean with everything she knew then, they would probably have murdered her or something.

Well, she did try communicating but Sun wouldn't listen. ;)

She did, your right.
What she didn't try was earning anyone in that camps trust
from the beginning.

Can't blame Sun for not trusting her. Only a few weeks ago she
was an other. And after she left the others it appeared she was
still working for the others.

Boy who cried wolf.

Hmmmm...I like Juliet. She's intelligent and has been living by wits alone in an absurd situation. She's pretty and has a nice body. She was trying to save Sun's life. I'll take her on my side any day. Reading the posts on this thread, I might just have her to myself. Well, there's Jack, but he's as fickle as Kate.

None of the Losties wanted to give her a chance except for Jack. Sayid would probably have tortured her if Jack hadn't intervened. Even now, Kate refuses to trust her despite all she did to help them. And she did tell Jack about the pregnant women.

Edit: Hey, there's me!!! Jules's MINE.;)

Thought it took a lot of guts for her to do what she did. She had to do it or Sun and the baby would die.

When she did it - it was like Kate w/Sawyer - you are SO gonna get slapped Jules!

I don't care if she was trying to save Sun's life or not, saying something like that was waaaaayyy out of line. It made me dislike Juliet even more.

I don't care if she was trying to save Sun's life or not, saying something like that was waaaaayyy out of line. It made me dislike Juliet even more.

The truth hurts sometimes.
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Hmmmm...I like Juliet. She's intelligent and has been living by wits alone in an absurd situation. She's pretty and has a nice body. She was trying to save Sun's life. I'll take her on my side any day. Reading the posts on this thread, I might just have her to myself. Well, there's Jack, but he's as fickle as Kate.

I think Juliet has learned quite a bit from Ben over the last few years. In particular, she knows how to push people's buttons.


And I'd like to add that she is quite beautiful and was looking super boobalicious as she ran through the jungle.

I don't care if she was trying to save Sun's life or not, saying something like that was waaaaayyy out of line. It made me dislike Juliet even more.So...she should just let Sun die?

I must be one sick puppy. I find her fasinating. I like how she's all beat up now and not afraid to get slapped around. Julliet freaking rocks.

Someone refresh my memory. Has Juliet ever told Jack or anyone about how she came to the island? How she had not been there as long as the other Others and was essentially being forced to stay there far longer than what she originally thought? This episode, she mentioned wanting to go home, but do the Losties understand her circumstances?

Perhaps Juliet should have behaved like Kate and draw Sun a map how to get to crazy Locke's camp, yeah you know the one where even crazier Ben is pulling all the strings!

Juliet did what she had to do to keep Sun alive.

You know, I understand that Juliet was truly trying to save Sun and I believe she may turn out to have the best of intentions in the end of all this. However, I just can't make myself like her. I feel sympathetic to her situation in many ways, but there's just something still holding me back from being a fan. (I only mean Juliet the character, Elizabeth herself is beautiful and a wonderful actress!)

Of course "truth hurts" and "the ends justify the means". But as a matter of fact, it's simply not her business to break the news to Jin. That slap in the face was not enough. Besides, we still don't know if she was lying. Wouldn't be the first time.

I feel Juliet was totally justified in what she did. For all her faults, she is still a doctor. She did what she did to save Sun and her baby's life. That is more important than a few hurt feelings.

I love Sun for slapping her. She deserves worse than that!:hammer:
Its none of her business to interfere with other people's personal concern, especially their marriage. She cares?? LOL I bet she's just jealous of Sun & Jin's relationship.

If Juliet truly wanted to gain the trust of the Losties, she would come clean with everything she knows. She hasn't done that. She tells Jack little bits and pieces, because she knows he's her ticket off the island, but even he doesn't know all of it. Why the need for all of the secrets? What is she hiding? She still has the mindset of an "Other", and the Losties have been through a little much to just be blindly trusting people who were previously trying to do them in.

And I thought the bruises were from her little scuffle with Kate.... :D

It would have been ideal for Juliet to have told the Losties right when she arrived, "yeah, I was brought to this island to help pregnant women survive to childbirth, and yeah, I was only supposed to stay 6 months, and yeah, it's been 3 years, and yeah, Ben's kind of got a creepy thing for me, but what are you gonna do?" But that's not how LOST does things, and if they would have done that, none of us would be as sympathetic to her character --- why give the whole story away right up front?

That said...
I don't care if she was trying to save Sun's life or not, saying something like that was waaaaayyy out of line.
Of course "truth hurts" and "the ends justify the means". But as a matter of fact, it's simply not her business to break the news to Jin. That slap in the face was not enough. Besides, we still don't know if she was lying. Wouldn't be the first time.
Yep.

And I don't think it had anything to do with "so she wanted Sun to die?" I simply think that it was not appropriate. At all. Besides, Juliet may have Ben in her corner, but Sun's dad is an uber-baddie. I'm staying on Sun's good side, kthx.

I think Juliet was right to do anything she could to get Sun to stay, but I was taken aback by how she did it.

If she had to go that route, she could have at least threatened Sun first that if she didn't stay, she would tell Jin about it. That would have given Sun some choice.

I think Juliet wants Sun to stay with her because she has no intention of leaving the island and is as close as she has ever been to finding out why mothers and babies die on the island. Maybee she figured it out and it was being tested on Sun?

I feel Juliet was totally justified in what she did. For all her faults, she is still a doctor. She did what she did to save Sun and her baby's life. That is more important than a few hurt feelings.

If she is a doctor, she would have followed the code of:
doctor patient confidentiality.

If she is a doctor, she would have followed the code of:
doctor patient confidentiality.


So she should have mindlessly followed the code that would result in Sun and her baby dying? Juliet made the hard call, and it was the right decision.

If Juliet is as deep and mature as many believe her to be, she could have found a much better way to convince Sun to stay. I agree with the previous poster that she could have told Sun during their first private conversation (when Sun was looking for the vitamins) that she would tell Jin about the affair if Sun didn't reconsider. That is, IF she was that deep, mature person I keep seeing referenced. I read that she is not so "high school" as to stoop to trying to make Kate jealous or whatever else, then what is this behavior? Noble? Mature? Trustworthy? Or self serving?--and if not self serving, then just mean. Yes it may be the truth, but it is not her truth to reveal. The shiny badge of the "Truth" can't be waved by Juliet as her defense in this case when she has witheld and manipulated the truth up to this point, or revealed it only when it was a way to further her own agenda.

I repeat what many others have said, Juliet has learned well from Ben and it has twisted her into someone just like him. I wish Sayid had gotten hold of her and maybe our Losties would be a step ahead. And yes, I know that wouldn't have dramatized the story etc etc but these writers are fantastic and they know what they are doing and could use any number of dramatic plots twists to get the story where it is. They are purposely showing her character to be this way-not above employing against others the behavior she abhors when used against her.
The Juliet who first came to the Island three years ago is gone, she has turned into Ben's female apprentice, learning to manipulate people to do what she wants.

If she truly cared about Sun in a mature, womanly friendship way, she would have warned her that she would tell Jin privately. However, she saw her ticket to get off the Island as Sun's "doctor" escaping and she got desperate and chose the quick and dirty way to ruin Sun's plan.

I agree that Juliet went a little bit too far when she told Jin about Sun's affair but she wasn't proud of what she did and later apologized for doing it. She tried to talk to Sun and she wouldn't listen, she tried to talk to Jin but Sun didn't want to translate for her. The important thing is that she managed to stop Sun from leaving and as we know from the FF, she made it off the island and gave birth to a beautiful daughter.

Juliet reminds me a lot of Jack. Both Dr.s, both with a blatant way of communicating, and both a little selfish in fulfilling their needs with their patients. While I really like Juliet and think that she is a good person, her insistence on being Sun's Dr. you'd think she's stick by her side through the entire pregnancy. I know, I know... not very realistic. But it was so easy for her to keep Sun "safe" by revealing something that was not hers to reveal yet she doesn't make it to Sun's place for the birth or what have you. Maybe Juliet doesn't make it off the island? Or she has bigger fish to fry back home?

Just some thoughts running through my head on this topic.

I think it's quite obvious that Juliet won't make it off the island. There's no way she wouldn't be with Sun when she gives birth otherwise.

P.S. announcement:
All of this could have been avoided if Juliette came clean from
the day she entered the Losties camp and acted in a manner that
would gain her trust.
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Except that, when Juliet arrived in camp, she was on a covert mission from Ben, who promised her "rescue" from the island for her duplicity.

I very much like her character, and I think we will find out even more about her. In TOW (week previous to this) when she and Jack are traipsing through the jungle and he mentions how they knew everything about him via his file, Juliet says, "Trust me, Jack, you wouldn't want to read my file." I hardly believe an adulterous affair is what makes her file so incriminating. There is a lot more to Juliet than good looks and adultery. IMO

I like Juliet too and other then a "whoa, wow she just did that" I did not see anything overly wrong. Is it her place, no, not really, but at the same time she is doing everything to keep Sun and the baby alive, because that is what she was brought here for.

That aside, why has she not come clean? For me it is because she is working both sides and whatever side can get her off the island that is what she will do. Sun going to Locke's camp was not part of Ben's plan as it is now (before yes, but she knows that is all out now). So why risk Sun if she does not have to, and actually as I type, she did tip them off that they were coming for them anyway and saved Sun before.

But back to the point, I think if Ben could get her off the island tomorrow she would do it, so she is just not burning bridges. Give the woman a break, she has been held captive for three frickin years!

Oh and for those of you bashing her for Goodwin, well where is the same for Sun? So whatever on that morality note. If you are going to accuse her of the love triangle, well then Sun had it coming as well. By the way, I love Sun and Jin, so not a knock against them, just playing the other side.

LOL I think you should start a new thread and do singles ads for all the characters.


I would greatly appreciate that.

None of the Losties wanted to give her a chance except for Jack. Sayid would probably have tortured her if Jack hadn't intervened. Even now, Kate refuses to trust her despite all she did to help them. And she did tell Jack about the pregnant women.

Edit: Hey, there's me!!! Jules's MINE.;)

Kate does not like Juliet for one reason! Kate is jealous of her! She sees her as competition for Jack!
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If she is a doctor, she would have followed the code of:
doctor patient confidentiality.




And an exception allowing for violation of doctor - patient confidentiality is when someone is in immiment danger of harm to self or others.While I think Jules should have told Sun privately what she would do if Sun risked her life by leaving for Locke's group and given Sun a chance to change her mind or tell Jin herself.....I truly think Juliet believed she was doing what was necessary to save not only Sun's life but Ji Yeon's as well. We already saw from her FB in The Other Woman how she blamed herself for the deaths of all the other women and their unborn babies.
Maybe a bit unethical but I'd say with that Island,extreme measures were necessary.

Ehhhh, whatever to the nay sayers.
Banish her to the dark territory.
Karma's a MF!

It was a bit shocking, but I think she did have saving Sun's life at the core of her reason to spill the beans. So her people skills are not the best--this is not surprising to me considering where she has been living for the past three years. What is Jack's excuse for that fact this his bedside manner sucks? (not my words, but Hurley's).

I think she did the right thing in stopping Sun from going to Locke's camp. I didn't like the way she did it, but we know that pregnant women die on the island, and we know what would have happened to Sun if Juliet hand't stopped her.

And Juliet did get a well deserved slap, and Juliet did apologized for what she did. Not only that but Sun and Jin's marriage had to deal with Sun's infidelity in one way or another.

In the end Jin forgave Sun, and Sun delivered a healthy Ji Yeon, so I'm not going to hold it against Juliet. Juliet did the right thing ;)

Forgive my English, I'm not a native speaker :)

Kate does not like Juliet for one reason! Kate is jealous of her! She sees her as competition for Jack!
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Well, I dunno. There might be other reasons for her to dislike and not trust Juliet. Like being held prisoner in an outdoor cage meant for animals, sleeping on the dirt, eating fish biscuits, breaking and hauling rocks in the hot sun, being used as a pawn between Jack and Sawyer, given absolutely no explanation why any of this was happening to her or her friends, all while Juliet looks on and knows what Ben is up to yet goes along with it. From Kate's perspective, which includes the knowledge that the Others have kidnapped children, tried to kidnap Claire and take her baby, and killed some of the Losties, I'd imagine Juliet wouldn't be too high on her trust list.

Yes, all of this is true. I can't deny what you say about the validity of all these reasons for Kate not to trust Juliet. But you have to admit, it does bug Kate to see Juliet and Jack at all cozy together...

Yes, all of this is true. I can't deny what you say about the validity of all these reasons for Kate not to trust Juliet. But you have to admit, it does bug Kate to see Juliet and Jack at all cozy together...

Yes, because she's wondering when Jack got to be so dense. Hmmm . . . let's see . . . was that before or after Jack told Kate he loved her? ;) Of course, Juliet didn't hold a gun to Jack's head like she did Kate's when she and Sawyer were forced to do manual labor on craphole island #2. And Juliet didn't drag Jack out into the jungle, handcuff herself to him, and then lie about it like she did to Kate, all so she could infiltrate the beach camp for Ben. Yeah, if I'm Kate I'm thinking I want Juliet to be my new best friend. :rolleyes:

Her character is ULTRA boring and I don't even find her nice to look at.

She gets a BOOOOOOO from me.

What could Jack possibly see in her?!

TBH her breasts are pretty amazing

Her character is ULTRA boring and I don't even find her nice to look at.

She gets a BOOOOOOO from me.

+1 qft

Why the need for all of the secrets? What is she hiding?
Didn't she say something like "if you knew my past, you'd hate me"?
I think she did some terrible things that we have yet to learn about. And it's those things that she wants to keep secret.

Nah, it wasn't that harsh. it was just "Trust me Jack, you don't want to see my file." I agree though, she's probably done some naughty stuff we haven't heard about yet. She just looks guilty.


Didn't she say something like "if you knew my past, you'd hate me"?
I think she did some terrible things that we have yet to learn about. And it's those things that she wants to keep secret.

She also said this to Sayid in "One Of Us":

SAYID: Who are you?
JULIET: If I told you who I was. If I told you everything that I know. You'd kill me.
SAYID: What you think I'll do if you don't.

Maybe that "you'd kill me" is a bit of an exaggeration considering who she's talking to but I still think she can't be trusted.

Yes, because she's wondering when Jack got to be so dense. Hmmm . . . let's see . . . was that before or after Jack told Kate he loved her? ;) Of course, Juliet didn't hold a gun to Jack's head like she did Kate's when she and Sawyer were forced to do manual labor on craphole island #2. And Juliet didn't drag Jack out into the jungle, handcuff herself to him, and then lie about it like she did to Kate, all so she could infiltrate the beach camp for Ben. Yeah, if I'm Kate I'm thinking I want Juliet to be my new best friend. :rolleyes:

Yeah if I were Kate I'd totally would want to be Juliet's best friend ;)