Okay, so according to Jin's tombstone, his official date of death is September 22, the day of the crash of Oceanic Flight 815. Which means that he apparently never made it off the island, and is claimed to have died in the crash (so how exactly does Sun explain her pregnancy? Did she have sex with Jin's corpse?).

Now here's the thing: There were some spoilers around even prior to the airing of "The Beginning of the End", which claimed that the Oceanic Six were Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and Jin. The foirmer five are confirmed now, but as explained above, there's no possible way for Jin both to be a member of ther Oceanic Six and to have officially died in the crash.

Which means the spoiler either lied, or was fooled by this episode (or early details about it) as well.

Furthermore, the ABC preview for this episode claimed that "The last of the Oceanic Six" would be revealed. Prior to this episode, only four members (Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid) were confirmed. Add Sun, and this makes five. Not six.

So did the preview lie?

Or is Aaron the sixth member of the Oceanic Six after all?

Aaron!!

Jack and Kate were revealed last season, then Hurley, Sayid. Then in Kate's episode Eggtown Aaron is reveled, then last night Sun, making it 6!

Watch the promo for Eggtown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC6o1vr98rk). It even says that in the episode Eggtown, "the next one (oceanic 6) will be reveled." We already knew about Jack and Kate, so the only other person in that flashforward who was on the island was Aaron!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC6o1vr98rk

Just goes to show spoilers aren't truth until they've aired.
But yes, I think Aaron was supposed to be considered 6.

The date on Jin's tombstone is the date of the plane crash. Therefore, if they are saying publically that Jin is one of the two that didn't make it back, then his tombstone would have had the date that he died sometime in December or early January. But it doesn't. So the public story that Sun must have had to say is that Jin died in the plane crash, hence the date on his tombstone. If Sun is having to say that Jin died in the crash, then Jin isn't counted as one of the Oceanic Six or the two that didn't make it. I'm thinking that Jin is still on the island, not just because I think that would make a romantic story for Sun and Jin, but because that is just the logical conclusion to come to. And it would be just as heartbreaking for Sun knowing he was somewhere she could never go and that he can't get back.
Although Darlton can be misleading sometimes, they were pretty clear that by the end of this episode we would know who the Six are. And the big reveal (if you weren't spoiled) at the end of the episode is Micheal. I think he, even though he is Kevin Johnson at the moment, is #6 and that he gets rescued along with the other 5 so that he can continue to work for Ben in the future just as Sayid is doing. I'm sure Ben is holding Walt over his head somehow.

Agreed. The promo was correct and the last of the O6 were both revealed. But we were led to believe it would be Sun and Jin. It's Sun and Michael.

But didn't someone say that in the Podcast that Darlton said Aaron did not count? I have not listened to the podcast, so I cannot say, but I saw enough people here saying that they said that, so I took it that he did not count, otherwise I believed that he counted.

Oh please let Aaron not count. Please?

That would leave us with only 5 characters to have FF's. What are the rest of them going to do, more boring and repetitive FB's? No thank you! I was hoping they would bend the rules and get more people not from the plane off the island, such as Desmond, thereby maximizing the people who can have FF's.

Maybe its Michael though, I hadn't thought of that.

Yeah, I kept hearing that Aaron would not be counted as one of the Oceanic 6 and now that Jin may possibly be dead I guess we should count Aaron? ughh

I guess we do have to count Aaron as #6.

But how in the world did Desmond not get off that island? He was already on the freighter. He's desparate to see Penny. Why isn't he one of the Oceanic 6? But then again, he was never on that plane, so even if he gets back home, he wouldn't have been considered one of the Oceanic 6, right?

I guess we do have to count Aaron as #6.

But how in the world did Desmond not get off that island? He was already on the freighter. He's desparate to see Penny. Why isn't he one of the Oceanic 6? But then again, he was never on that plane, so even if he gets back home, he wouldn't have been considered one of the Oceanic 6, right?

right

It cant be Aaron since he was not on the original manafest. What if Kate had a baby when she got back from the island and this Aaron is not the same as Claires Aaron?

Agreed. The promo was correct and the last of the O6 were both revealed. But we were led to believe it would be Sun and Jin. It's Sun and Michael.

No, it's not Michael, it's Aaron! Michael isn't even known as Michael anymore, he's Keven Johnson, and Keven Johnson was never on Oceanic 815. Michael is using an alias and is working undercover, why would he expose himself, or let someone expose him as a Oceanic survivor? He's Keven Johnson now, and Keven Johnson was never on 815!!!

PLUS Jack and Kate were revealed last season, then Hurley, Sayid. Then in Kate's episode Eggtown Aaron is reveled, then last night Sun, making it 6!

Watch the promo for Eggtown. It even says that in the episode Eggtown, "the next one (oceanic 6) will be reveled." We already knew about Jack and Kate, so the only other person in that flashforward who was on the island was Aaron!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC6o1vr98rk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC6o1vr98rk)

Now, Aaron might not have been on the flight manifest, but he was born on the island and RESCUED, so why would he not be known as a survivor?

And Desmond is not a Oceanic 6 because he was never on 815 where Aaron, in reality was. He ended up on the island because the plane crashed, that's not how Desmond ended up tere.

Okay, so according to Jin's tombstone, his official date of death is September 22, the day of the crash of Oceanic Flight 815. Which means that he apparently never made it off the island, and is claimed to have died in the crash (so how exactly does Sun explain her pregnancy? Did she have sex with Jin's corpse?).



We are talking weeks only. She probably got pregnant the first 2 weeks on the island which could be easily explained away as having sex just before going to the island. The average person did not see the flashbacks and did not know of the pregnany issues. And even the doctor who knows she cannot get pregnant does not know if the affair and assumed everything was going ok with the marraige.

The only problem with counting Aaron as one of the O6 is; what story did they tell to explain that Aaron belonged with Kate? If they admit the baby didn't belong to her, how did an accused felon get adoption rights?

The only problem with counting Aaron as one of the O6 is; what story did they tell to explain that Aaron belonged with Kate? If they admit the baby didn't belong to her, how did an accused felon get adoption rights?

Kate's claiming Aaron as her child....

Example...
Kate was pregnant. She was on the run, so no one would have known if she was pregnant or not. The last two people to see her are dead (the Australia guy she stayed with and the Marshal) and there are women who barley show when they are pregnant, she could be one of those type of women, she could have easily said that she was pregnant during the crash and had the baby on the island.

Kate's claiming Aaron as her child....

Example...
Kate was pregnant. She was on the run, so no one would have known if she was pregnant or not. The last two people to see her are dead (the Australia guy she stayed with and the Marshal) and there are women who barley show when they are pregnant, she could be one of those type of women, she could have easily said that she was pregnant during the crash and had the baby on the island.

I suppose it's possible. I would still file it under unlikely, however, because based on the timelines we;ve seen and everything we know, the O6 were on the island for 4 months max (because Sun makes it off in time to not die). That means Kate would've not only been 5 months pregnant when she crashed, but had time for Aaron to grow to be almost 2 before she comes back and in the short time she's there in the real world. That's 2.5 years and there's no explaining that one. In my opinion.

Aaron was 4 months when they left the island, Kate's trial would have taken YEARS, giving time for Aaron to grow up after leaving the island. Trust me, trials like that go on for years at a time.

Kate could have claimed she was anywhere from 4 to 5 months pregnant when they crashed, had Aaron, and after her trial, years down the line, we see him more grown.

No, it's not Michael, it's Aaron! Michael isn't even known as Michael anymore, he's Keven Johnson, and Keven Johnson was never on Oceanic 815. Michael is using an alias and is working undercover, why would he expose himself, or let someone expose him as a Oceanic survivor? He's Keven Johnson now, and Keven Johnson was never on 815!!!

He's Kevin Johnson as of right now for the purpose of his mission but everyone there knows who he is apart from the boat crew. I don't believe the alias will stick. I think he willl eventually give up his cover when he no longer needs it and will be the one that gets the O6 rescued, it will be his personal redemption and Michael will then return with the other 5 as one of the O6, Michael Dawson once again. The lie will be that he is just another survivor who never left the island and his boy Walt died in the crash. I believe Walt will continue to live under a new identity in the real world. Michael's redemption arc will be complete when he returns to the world, dies and ends up the man in the coffin.

The 6th is Michael, not Aaron. The teaser for this ep said we would learn who the identities of the final two O6 are. Both Sun and Michael were revealed in this ep, not Aaron. They are the last two when you thought one was Jin.

The teaser for this ep said we would learn who the identities of the final two O6 are. Both Sun and Michael were revealed in this ep, not Aaron. They are the last two when you thought one was Jin.

Nope, it never said you'll learn who the identities of the final two 6 are, it say's...

"Discover the last of the Oceanic 6" on the CTV promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJgjhRhiyd4), and "
"You Will discover the last of the Oceanic 6" on the ABC promo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1CasQnKdOE).

Sun, the 6th was discovered in the episode because Aaron was discovered in Eggtown!

right

:headslap:

Thanks, I needed that!

I was thinking that if Michael might be a potential 6 because he is shown in this episode then I'm wondering if Bernard might be a potential also. I just got a bad feeling when he was telling Jin about Rose's illness and then that bit about Lock.
The bad feeling got worse when they showed Jin's grave. Bernard would make the 6th Oceanic 6 and Rose might be the 2nd one that died. I'm a bit worried about Rose.

I kind of hope pacejunkie's conclusions are how things will actually pan out.

The bottom line is it is not clear whether Aaron is one of the 6 or not. I still believe I remember either a podcast or Kristin saying he was not one of the 6, but after this ep I wish they would clarify once more who the final six are because I agree it's not clear. I think Bernard will stay on the island with Rose and Michael will be the last of the O6.

Kate's claiming Aaron as her child....

Example...
Kate was pregnant. She was on the run, so no one would have known if she was pregnant or not. The last two people to see her are dead (the Australia guy she stayed with and the Marshal) and there are women who barley show when they are pregnant, she could be one of those type of women, she could have easily said that she was pregnant during the crash and had the baby on the island.
Wait a second, when did the Australian farmer die? I remember there was a crash and Kate went back to help him rather than escape, but I didn't think he was dead. Plus then she later asked the Marshall to make sure he got the reward money. Did I miss something?

Also, don't you think the Marshall would have been expected to notify his office that his prisoner was pregnant? He also would have had cooperation with local law enforcement who should be expected to notice that Kate was pregnant. The only thing I can think of is that Kate is claiming Aaron is 4-5 months younger than he really is so she can claim that her pregnancy was not noticeable. Of course, she would have to protect Aaron from too much scrutiny when she first gets off the island as that is a big difference in age for an infant.

What about the funeral that Jack went to: the funeral that no-one showed at? Could the "him" in the coffin not be one of the six?

Now I'm not saying that ultimately Michael can't be one of the O6, but (to me) there is nothing in this episode that would even come close to suggesting it.

I also remember hearing that writers said Aaron was NOT one of the 6. So I say spot 6 is still up for grabs.

the lads on the podcast said Aaron is not one of the 6, said he wasnt alive on the plane so cant be one of the six

so it must be Michael

Well this sure is frustrating ha...

Aaron!!

Jack and Kate were revealed last season, then Hurley, Sayid. Then in Kate's episode Eggtown Aaron is reveled, then last night Sun, making it 6!

Watch the promo for Eggtown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC6o1vr98rk). It even says that in the episode Eggtown, "the next one (oceanic 6) will be reveled." We already knew about Jack and Kate, so the only other person in that flashforward who was on the island was Aaron!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC6o1vr98rk

Thank you!!! I've been screaming this all along!!! Even Darlton confirmed in the Eggtown prehash that we would find out the next O6 member that night. The only new one in that episode was Aaron. Cut and dry, I'm not sure why this keeps dragging on!

The flash forwards have positively confirmed 5 of the O6: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Sun. We have seen Aaron in a FF, but there has been no explicit reference to him being one of the O6 (I think he is, however). I'm not saying Michael can't be one of the O6, but there hasn't been a FF to confirm or even suggest this.

it would make more sense if michael was the last of the O6. first off i would think that darlton would have confirmed aaron as one if he was. they confirmed kate, hurley, jack, and sayid so why not aaron. secondly i think the promo for that night was for kate being one of the O6 not aaron. think about it. everyone one of the O6 (jack, kate, sayid, hurley, and sun) so far has has their own FF. even tho kate was revealed in TTLG it was technically jack's FF so she didn't get the offical O6 confirmation til this season in eggtown.
and as michael aka kevin johnson is next week centric epi then one would think that maybe this is the final comfirmation for him being one of the O6.

as for the promo for ji yeon...well they did say the last of the O6 not the last one of the O6 so it still could be true that it could have meant multiple people which would have orginally led me to believe that jin was the other one but as he is presumed dead then i guess that's not the case.

the only hitch in my plan of michael as one of the O6 is if he ends up being the one in the coffin (which he think is) because then why would his funeral be empty as the O6 are such "celebrities". i don't know...i'm pretty confident that michael/kevin gets off the island but how i'm not sure. maybe like ben and possibly desmond hes just quietly snuck off the island after being presumed dead in the crash.

I guess we do have to count Aaron as #6.

But how in the world did Desmond not get off that island? He was already on the freighter. He's desparate to see Penny. Why isn't he one of the Oceanic 6? But then again, he was never on that plane, so even if he gets back home, he wouldn't have been considered one of the Oceanic 6, right?

Correct, Desmond, Juliet and Ben dont count. Not on plane.

they've said that we will learn the identity of the man in the coffin this season... so we will know for sure

btw,,, I can't believe anyone on this Board would have thought we were going to get a direct, clear, concise, absolute answer on the O6 so soon... i mean on what grounds would you expect that... nothing that is that big a mystery, essential plot point, has been "wrapped up" so soon...

of course there was going to be a twist, doubt, etc..

we should really all be happy that we have 5 of the 6 confirmed, that's 83% of a major mystery solved in just seven episodes... must be some type of record...

it's most like Aaron, as Doc jensen pointed out on EW, as a member of the media, he knows that the "Oceanic Six" moniker is a media created LABEL, placed on the ONLY six survivors of the Flight 815,,, the media wouldn't qualify anything about the manifest (they are too lazy, his words)... Aaron, in his moms tummy, survived the crash and was rescued...

in fact, that might be why JACK lied on the stand about the 8 survivors,, to help explain Aaron,,, that the mom survived the wreck, he delivered the baby, and she died.

I think Sun had the baby early, that is why she thought something was wrong when she went into labor. Then she wouldn't have to explain getting pregnant after Jin dies. I was confused aobut the 6th survivor as well. I think it's Michael. Once they get rescued, he could jsut reveal himself as Michael Dawson.

I'm actually glad the spoiler was wrong, and I think Michael is the other O6 member

btw,,, I can't believe anyone on this Board would have thought we were going to get a direct, clear, concise, absolute answer on the O6 so soon... i mean on what grounds would you expect that...

Because Damon actually said it. But I should know by now they lie.

Truth is, spoilers, promos and podcasts will dampen your LOST experience... it's inevitable.

I posted this idea on the "Oceanic...7?" thread as well. Carlton and Damon talk about the Oceanic 6 issue in the Official LOST Audio Podcast: Feb. 28th, 2008 around 7:19min into the show. They have an "arguement" about whether Aaron could be considered one of the O6 which ends with "anything's possible". Then a little later says that we should know the O6 by the end of the 7th episdode.

I think that we weren't supposed to be sure that Aaron was an O6 until the end of "Ji Yeon". If we knew after "Eggtown", we would only be expecting 1 more and in turn when "Ji Yeon" started would already expect that only Jin or Sun was an O6 (and lose some of the surprise that Jin's story was a flashback). Instead, we weren't given that revelation until the end of "Ji Yeon", then being able to look back and say that Aaron was one. I agree that Baby Aaron would be considered part of the O6 and unborn Ji Yeon would not. People would see 6 live bodies, and probably not find out that Sun was pregnant until weeks/months after the rescue when she started showing/let people know.

I see that Michael could be a possibility but his just being on the freighter doesn't prove he made it back to "civilization", Aaron clearly did.

I also am in the "Jin is still alive on the island" camp because of the date on the tombstone being the date of the crash.

We don't have any proof that Michael is O6. We only think he is. If they did confirm it, the identity of the man in the coffin would be simple to guess. So I think they are using the Aaron card to confuse us and keep up the mistery.

Truth is, spoilers, promos and podcasts will dampen your LOST experience... it's inevitable.

Amen, brutha, no more spoilers fro me, only the next episode of lost preview after an episode, and the audio podcast, I don't really think they give anything away, too massively important anyway

Thank you!!! I've been screaming this all along!!! Even Darlton confirmed in the Eggtown prehash that we would find out the next O6 member that night. The only new one in that episode was Aaron. Cut and dry, I'm not sure why this keeps dragging on!

Actually, in that podcast the question was asked if Juliet was one of the O6, and they answered NO, and that there have been specualtion that Ben and Aaron were the final 2 members of the O6, and once again they both said NO, they weren't passsengers of 815, then one states that Aaron was on the plane, but in utero. Then, a few seconds later one of the Producers said we would know by the end of EPISODE 8, and the other said we SHOULD know by the end of EPISODE 7...

that tells me we will get absolute confirmation soon...which tells me it is Michael.





it's most like Aaron, as Doc jensen pointed out on EW, as a member of the media, he knows that the "Oceanic Six" moniker is a media created LABEL, placed on the ONLY six survivors of the Flight 815,,, the media wouldn't qualify anything about the manifest (they are too lazy, his words)... Aaron, in his moms tummy, survived the crash and was rescued...


Right, the O6 tag line is a label. Now remember Kate does not want Aaron brought into the trial and wants to keep him out of it...meaning she is sheilding him from publicity...SO DOES THE MEDIA KNOW ABOUT HIM???

That is the real question because we have no evidence of the media knowing about Aaron, and I think we would see or hear something to that effect

The Oceanic Six: Never trust a spoiler? Never trust a promo? I believe the title has a slight problem. Replace the question marks with exclamation points.
The Oceanic Six: Never trust a spoiler! Never trust a promo!:biggrin:

I like Michael as number six. I also think he may be the one the funeral was for.
I see no reason the Freighter Folk need to reveal to the press how many people they actually take off the island. So the Oceanic Six applies only to the publicly identifed rescued. We could see others from the island if there is a reason for them to be in hiding.

I dont think these should be spoiler-tagged since it was last nights episode but, just to be safe, i put them in spoiler-font.

"This "Oceanic 6" make it off the island, but one will die - exactly who will be revealed this season." - Damon Lindelof on the NY Post


The O6 were confirmed from DarkUFO months ago to be Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Jin and Sun + 1.

Naturally you'd assume after "Eggtown" that the +1 is Aaron.

So here would be the updated list:

Oceanic Six:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Jin
(Aaron)

Non-Oceanic Six Members would include:

Michael (the freighter's don't know he was an 815-er and he changed his name to Kevin Johnson)
Desmond (not an 815-survivor)
Juliet (not an 815-survivor)
Ben (not an 815-survivor)

After viewing the last weeks episode, it is confirmed that...

Sun IS one of the Oceanic Six.
Jin, according to his tombstone, died on September 22 (the date of the crash) - this would imply he died another way or is still on the island.

Here's all the references and little bits I took from DarkUFO, Damon and Carlton quotes and from Kristen / Ausiello about "Ji-Yeon" and the DEATH

"Thursday's show will reveal the last remaining member, or members, of The Oceanic 6, a group of plane-crash survivors who made it off the island." - USA Today

"...as there are spoilers herein about the identities of the remaining two of the Oceanic Six." - Last week on Kristen on E!Online

"You heard about "the death" that's coming up, right? Well, fear not, 'cause from what I understand, this death does not mean it's the last we'll see of this person on the show-not by a long shot." - Kristin on E!Online

"One of these [6] will die before Episode 9: Jin, Sun, Faraday, Desmond, Juliet, Sawyer" - DarkUFO

"The major character dying] is an original 815er. And as far as major Lost deaths go, this one veers from tradition in one significant way." - Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide

What do I think? He's dead, but there's a twist on why his tombstone said the date of the crash.

I think the date on Jins tombstone is a clear sign that the spoiler was wrong, a fake, who ever is giving the spoilers is leaking bad info, probably not on purpose but maybe. Damon and Carlton could be lieing. Although from the preview, someone does die next week and I think it's going to be Jin
the spoiler pertains to the preview.

Then, a few seconds later one of the Producers said we would know by the end of EPISODE 8, and the other said we SHOULD know by the end of EPISODE 7...

that tells me we will get absolute confirmation soon...which tells me it is Michael.

Michael doesn't make sense. He's already off the island, and already has a new identity.

Why would Sun go to the grave site to talk to Jin unless he is buried there? If he is buried there, then he got off the island.

But his grave marker said he died on the day of the plane crash. That gets me thinking... maybe in coming off the island they traveled back in time a few months. Then they had to hang out in Fiji and wait for the plane to crash before they could go forward as the survivors. That's what Jack was talking about as "having to lie." That way, it's at least possible that Jin could have died on the 22nd, and still be buried there.

Meanwhile, Charlotte and Daniel return to work, which explains why Daniel was crying and Charlotte knew the plane didn't really crash in the ocean. So those were really flashforwards as well. They were flashforwards to the future selves of Charlotte and Daniel, even though they happened to be in sept 22nd, 2004.

Michael doesn't make sense. He's already off the island, and already has a new identity.

To be fair, he could have had his new papers before leaving the island. That possibility was brought up in The Economist. Then once they get rescued (and I'm not convinced it's by the freighter. Plus, at this rate there will be noone left to rescue them) he could just ditch his fake papers and reclaim his name as Michael. That would explain part of the lying that the O6 had to do.

Why would Sun go to the grave site to talk to Jin unless he is buried there? If he is buried there, then he got off the island.

I took that as symbolic. People make graves for loved ones when there is no body.

But his grave marker said he died on the day of the plane crash. That gets me thinking... maybe in coming off the island they traveled back in time a few months. Then they had to hang out in Fiji and wait for the plane to crash before they could go forward as the survivors. That's what Jack was talking about as "having to lie." That way, it's at least possible that Jin could have died on the 22nd, and still be buried there.

I personally don't think the time shift involved with the island can go backward, but we will see. As for the lying, they don't mention anything about the island, and Jack lied under oath about the survivors. We know there were over 48 survivors, and Jack only states that 8 made it, but that two died due to the harsh circumstances or something. Their lying that Jack was referring to is the fact that they were basically at war with the people already on the island and that a lot of people died because of it. There's probably more to come anyway that would make Jack feel like that. Hurley mentioned that he shouldn't have gone with Locke. We know he makes it off the island, so something is yet to happen in the Locke camp that could prove to be devastating.

I dont think these should be spoiler-tagged since it was last nights episode but, just to be safe, i put them in spoiler-font.

"This "Oceanic 6" make it off the island, but one will die - exactly who will be revealed this season." - Damon Lindelof on the NY Post


The O6 were confirmed from DarkUFO months ago to be Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Jin and Sun + 1.

Naturally you'd assume after "Eggtown" that the +1 is Aaron.

So here would be the updated list:

Oceanic Six:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Jin
(Aaron)

Non-Oceanic Six Members would include:

Michael (the freighter's don't know he was an 815-er and he changed his name to Kevin Johnson)
Desmond (not an 815-survivor)
Juliet (not an 815-survivor)
Ben (not an 815-survivor)

After viewing the last weeks episode, it is confirmed that...

Sun IS one of the Oceanic Six.
Jin, according to his tombstone, died on September 22 (the date of the crash) - this would imply he died another way or is still on the island.

Here's all the references and little bits I took from DarkUFO, Damon and Carlton quotes and from Kristen / Ausiello about "Ji-Yeon" and the DEATH

"Thursday's show will reveal the last remaining member, or members, of The Oceanic 6, a group of plane-crash survivors who made it off the island." - USA Today

"...as there are spoilers herein about the identities of the remaining two of the Oceanic Six." - Last week on Kristen on E!Online

"You heard about "the death" that's coming up, right? Well, fear not, 'cause from what I understand, this death does not mean it's the last we'll see of this person on the show-not by a long shot." - Kristin on E!Online

"One of these [6] will die before Episode 9: Jin, Sun, Faraday, Desmond, Juliet, Sawyer" - DarkUFO

"The major character dying] is an original 815er. And as far as major Lost deaths go, this one veers from tradition in one significant way." - Ask Ausiello @ TV Guide

What do I think? He's dead, but there's a twist on why his tombstone said the date of the crash.

The way that I see this is that the twist is that we learn of his death in a flash forward. Meaning that as long as we are on the island he will be around for a while. His death may come during the time the 6 leave the island or maybe he is not really dead because he stays on the island, but I think the *twist* is that he isn't dead yet- not like Charlie, Boone and Sharon dying during the episode.

I agree that Jin probably isn't dead, but I can't bring myself to think that Aaron is one of the O6 because in my view he wasn't really a passenger on the plane. The bigger puzzle to me is why Kate has Aaron with her. What happened (or is going to happen) to Claire? Suppose she will die and join Charlie in the time warp somewhere?

Am i the only one who was unimpressed with the whole "who are the oceanic 6?" mystery.

Always seemed to be a rather artificial thing to be puzzled by.I knew 6 got off,that was enough information for me.My curiosity was never troubled by who they were,but I do want to know how they get off the island.The O6 campaign has always struck me as network-inspired,rather than writer-inspired.Pose a question that will be revealed gradually,week by week, and completely answered halfway through the 16 episode season,so that new viewrs won't be so intimidated by the whole Lost story.

What does it matter if Jin or Aaron are part of the 6?
Neither would make any difference to the overall plot of Lost.

Why watch spoilers and spoil your spoiler?

And the big reveal (if you weren't spoiled) at the end of the episode is Micheal.

I wasn't spoiled and knew and still wasn't surprised. His name had been in the credits for the whole season and they told us in the preview that someone was returning

I think Michael is DEFINITELY # 6. They were just messing with us the whole episode, making us think it was Jin. I'm also coming around to thinking that he is the one in the coffin.

I think the date on the tombstone would seem to indicate that Jin never left the island, leaving the outside world to believe that he died in the crash.

Someone in another thread pointed out that, in his small boat, Michael wouldn't have made it much further than 80 nautical miles. so, on that bearing, perhaps he found the freighter. Perhaps Ben KNEW he would find the freighter.... Point is, he may not be considered rescued at all just yet. but then, yeah, so where the heck is Walt?

Aaron CANNOT be #6 because
Darlton said as much in the podcast. The 6 were ticketed passengers on 815

Also, I agree that Kate was the O6 reveal from Eggtown, and the promo people were going for points with new viewers who may not have seen TTLG.

Michael is number 6 of the O6

the lads on the podcast said Aaron is not one of the 6, said he wasnt alive on the plane so cant be one of the six

so it must be Michael


Aaron was must definetly ALIVE while on the plane. Claire was 4 months pregnant or so. At 4 months into a pregnancy, the baby is definetely ALIVE.

I vote for Micheal as the 6th. It can't be Aaron, because that would mean Ji Yeon had to be one of the crash "survivors" as well - which would make 7. Has to be Micheal.

I vote for Micheal as the 6th. It can't be Aaron, because that would mean Ji Yeon had to be one of the crash "survivors" as well - which would make 7. Has to be Micheal.

Kind of going with this, if Sun were to explain her pregnancy, I'm sure she would say it was Jin's child. The problem with this is that he died in the crash and there is a definite timeline for a child before it is born. Unless the doctors were to assume the baby was being born a month premature, they would have to know that she got pregnant on the island, which would mean Jin was live for a month. Of course, they could say he was one of the two that died. Blah blah blah, I guess I don't have a point.

The problem with this is that he died in the crash and there is a definite timeline for a child before it is born. Unless the doctors were to assume the baby was being born a month premature, they would have to know that she got pregnant on the island, which would mean Jin was live for a month.
The thing is, we have no idea when they return to the real world. The must leave the island within the next couple months at least. But after they leave, what will the date be? Maybe it will be 2006. Maybe it will be September 2004, and Jin will actually die on Sept 22nd, just like it says on his grave stone.

The thing is, we have no idea when they return to the real world. The must leave the island within the next couple months at least. But after they leave, what will the date be? Maybe it will be 2006. Maybe it will be September 2004, and Jin will actually die on Sept 22nd, just like it says on his grave stone.

So the Oceanic Six survived on a deserted island for several months (as per Jack's testimony in Eggtown), and yet they return to the outside world just in time for Jin to die on the day of the crash?

That doesn't sound right.

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Regarding Aaron:
Some people have pointed out that "The Oceanic Six" isn't a scientifically accurate term. It's a term coined by the media. Imagine the situation: A plane disappears. Several months later, the plane is found, with everyone on board being dead. Then, a few people show up that claim to be the sole survivors of the crash. The media needs a funky name to call them. "The Oceanic Five And A Baby That Was Born After The Crash" doesn't have the same ring to it as "The Oceanic Six", now, does it?

The thing is, we have no idea when they return to the real world. The must leave the island within the next couple months at least. But after they leave, what will the date be? Maybe it will be 2006. Maybe it will be September 2004, and Jin will actually die on Sept 22nd, just like it says on his grave stone.

As Nevermore said, there's Jack's testimony. I think we will be seeing those 6 leave the island this season. I can see the show following the people on and off the island at the same time. Hence the island reflection being a cityscape.

Aaron was must definetly ALIVE while on the plane. Claire was 4 months pregnant or so. At 4 months into a pregnancy, the baby is definetely ALIVE.

Claire was 8 months pregnant, not 4.

Also, I agree that Kate was the O6 reveal from Eggtown, and the promo people were going for points with new viewers who may not have seen TTLG.

Aah, I like that. Its actually a pretty good explanation.

If Darlton actually confirm that Aaron counts, then it will be settled, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that that doesn't happen. I'm betting on Michael too.

We were told the last of the O6 would be revealed. Michael definitely has NOT been revealed as one of the O6, because he has not yet made it back to civilization. Jin is definitely not one of the O6, because we see his tombstone showing him dying the date of the crash.

That leaves Aaron. I've listened to all the podcasts and do not recall hearing that Aaron was not one of the O6. They only delayed confirming it. Also, the episode we saw Aaron with Kate, there was supposed to be one revealed, and it couldn't be Kate, because we already knew about her.

The 6th could be Aaron or Ben!
I agree it's not Michael, the scenarists said we will know the 6th after this episode apparently so it must be Ben or Aaron!???
Why not Ben after all? Maybe Locke took his place on the island??

Ben was not an Oceanic 815 passenger, so he can't be one of the O6. Besides, he's probably unknown to the public in Berlin.

Also, I agree that Kate was the O6 reveal from Eggtown, and the promo people were going for points with new viewers who may not have seen TTLG.And remember, when Kate was first revealed (in TTLG) there were plenty of people insisting her rescue couldn't have been publicized because she was a fugitive. In fact, weren't there also people saying the same thing after TBOTE?

I could buy the O6 reveal in Eggtown being Kate.

I think KAte could be the reveal in Eggtown... and michael could very well be the 6th... i dont know how aaron would count he wasnt alive technically he was born on the island. and we were just revealed that Michael was back so its a toss up to me. And i believe another user said he was disappointed that only 5 ppl would hav FF but not neccessarily. why cant the ppl who stay with locke have FF to hte future of there live post rescue on the island...? Its Very possible for us to see way into the future its notl ike they said FFs were limted to the 6 did they?

Ben was not an Oceanic 815 passenger, so he can't be one of the O6. Besides, he's probably unknown to the public in Berlin.

You're right but he could have taken a passenger identity?

:blink: Leave it to LOST to create the O6, and then reveal who they are one or two at a time, in such a way that we are still not sure of anything. Answers that create more questions . . . sound familiar?

I don't think the spoiler is a lie... I had a long debate in my office with co-workers. The Oceanic 6 are Sun, Sayid, Jack, Kate Hurley and Aaron. The debate is that technically Aaron was not "really" a passenger on the flight. I think that Aaron is by default. The preview to this episode said it would reveal the last member or final member of the Oceanic 6.

Jack referenced that 8 survived the crash, and we know 6 made it off. I think they are saying Claire and Jin are the other two...that explains the pregnancy for Sun and he can say that Claire died in childbirth and Kate had to take the baby....
as for the true O6...it all depends on if they were all ticketed passengers of the flight, which Aaron was not.

Jack referenced that 8 survived the crash, and we know 6 made it off. I think they are saying Claire and Jin are the other two...that explains the pregnancy for Sun and he can say that Claire died in childbirth and Kate had to take the baby....
as for the true O6...it all depends on if they were all ticketed passengers of the flight, which Aaron was not.

No, remember the date on Jin's tombstone! It is inconsistent with him surviving the crash.

I'm not saying Michael can't be one of the O6, but there hasn't been a FF to confirm or even suggest this.

Yes there has, The first FF. Micheal is the one in the coffin, he is the 6th.

as for the true O6...it all depends on if they were all ticketed passengers of the flight, which Aaron was not.

I've never been under the impression that the Oceanic Six could only include ticketed passengers. Is there an official statement on this anywhere?

I've wondered if the O6 refers less to who was actually ticketed/on the manifest, and more to the six human beings rescued from the crash. Since Aaron is a human being rescued from the crash, I'd think he would count.

I wonder when/how it will be clarified? There is so much confusion, but I also wonder if that is intentional? Sneaky!!! :)

Oceanic 6 is not a science term. It's probably coined by media. Story of a kid surviving a plane crash (in utero) /a deserted island (newly born) would absolutely sell. People like to show their sympathies with kids. So, I disagree with those who say it can't "technically" be Aaron, or media wouldn't consider him one of the 6. How he came to survive and end up with Kate is another question.

About Ji Yeon, she was born off island, and I think she's not being considered one of the 6 is about the definition of foetus->baby thing.

This is probably not a spoiler since Dark has published it on his web's homepage, but I feel the need to be careful:

Dark has posted a confirmation of O6 being Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun and Aaron. I don't know where the confirmation comes from. He got an explanation to why we saw Jin instead of Aaron in spoilers.

I hope the next podcast will cover this issue.

ugh I think I'm going to go spoiler free from now on. it ruins the show.
the "shocks" that are supposed to be shocks aren't....

ugh I think I'm going to go spoiler free from now on. it ruins the show.
the "shocks" that are supposed to be shocks aren't....

Even some of the "shocks" aren't shocking when the voiceovers reveal certain things. Then there's the opening credits. Harold was listed before the first 6 episodes so if you noticed his name you'd know he'd be back. Then there's guest stars that are listed at the beginning. You could tell when Christian was going to be in the episode. Charles Widmore too if you know who the actors are. Not saying you should read spoilers, just saying that certain things can be ruined anyway.

Then who's the 6th in Jack story that he told in Kate's trial. Jack said there were 8 survivors, 2 of them didn't make it. Aaron woudn't be counted as a seperate survivor item as of the crash time. Who is the 6th Kate supposedly saved???

Then who's the 6th in Jack story that he told in Kate's trial. Jack said there were 8 survivors, 2 of them didn't make it. Aaron woudn't be counted as a seperate survivor item as of the crash time. Who is the 6th Kate supposedly saved???


Hey, you're right! Their story about Kate saving 7 people, 2 of which are dead really rules out Aaron as one of the O6!

We are still missing one... so I vote for Michael then. But even if we can guess he is one, we really don't know that for sure. (What about Walt? I can't ever think that Michael would go home without him, unless he thinks he is dead... Walt would count for one as well, as he was on the manifest!)

I do not think Aaron counts

Even some of the "shocks" aren't shocking when the voiceovers reveal certain things. Then there's the opening credits. Harold was listed before the first 6 episodes so if you noticed his name you'd know he'd be back. Then there's guest stars that are listed at the beginning. You could tell when Christian was going to be in the episode. Charles Widmore too if you know who the actors are. Not saying you should read spoilers, just saying that certain things can be ruined anyway.No kidding! I block the bottom of the screen now during the opening credits, ever since they showed Malcolm David Kelley's name at the beginning of TTLG.

Then who's the 6th in Jack story that he told in Kate's trial. Jack said there were 8 survivors, 2 of them didn't make it. Aaron woudn't be counted as a seperate survivor item as of the crash time. Who is the 6th Kate supposedly saved???Hey, that's a great point!

You must be right, unless TPTB just didn't want to reveal yet that #6 was a baby born on the island.

It would be nice if they'd just show in a FF, one of the survivors looking at a newspaper clipping w/ a picture and the headline "Oceanic 6." Guess I'm asking too much huh? :)

I'm thinking the sixth is Aaron. Why would it be Michael? Nothing presented to us has suggested it will be Michael.

It would be nice if they'd just show in a FF, one of the survivors looking at a newspaper clipping w/ a picture and the headline "Oceanic 6." Guess I'm asking too much huh? :)
Maybe we'll get a Ben FF in which this happens. I would really like to see a Ben FF.

Edit: And to add my take on the O6 question, I do not believe the last is Aaron. Especially now that I read the point brought up about Jack's story and her saving 5 or 7 OTHER people. Aside from that, in the FFs there has been specific mention of the people being part of the O6. Hurley specifically states that he is, as does Sayid. Then Jack testifies that he and Kate survived along with 6 others but 2 didn't make it. Even though the majority of his testimony is a lie, he's at least telling the truth in regards to them surviving the crash, which makes them part of the O6. Then one of the nurses tells the other that Sun is one of the O6. Unless someone in the show explicitly states that Aaron is one, I will continue to think he's not.

In a recent AP interview see ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080314/ap_en_tv/tv_lost_return_3 )
Harold Perrineau was asked three Lost-related questions:

"Was Michael ever able to get back home to New York? Will his son also return to the show? And was he the man in the coffin..."

His respective answers were:
yes, maybe and he has no idea
That more or less settles one question for me.

My thoughts on the O6... If Aaron is counted as one of the survivors, even though he wasn't born before the flight, then why wouldn't Sun's daughter Ji Yeon be counted as one of the survivors? If Jin's date of death is the date of the crash, then the thought would have to be that Jin got her pregnant before the flight, just as Claire was pregnant before the flight.

By this reasoning, I don't think that Aaron can be counted as one of the O6. We already know who five of the six are and if Aaron is counted, then Ji Yeon also needs to be counted which would then turn it into the O7...

ETA: Ok, as I read further I found that this has already been addressed, at least somewhat. So much for thinking I had a new idea. =)

My thoughts on the O6... If Aaron is counted as one of the survivors, even though he wasn't born before the flight, then why wouldn't Sun's daughter Ji Yeon be counted as one of the survivors? If Jin's date of death is the date of the crash, then the thought would have to be that Jin got her pregnant before the flight, just as Claire was pregnant before the flight.

By this reasoning, I don't think that Aaron can be counted as one of the O6. We already know who five of the six are and if Aaron is counted, then Ji Yeon also needs to be counted which would then turn it into the O7...

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Aaron born in the island and was rescued, Ji Yeon not. She wasnt rescued.
Aaron doesnt have a ticket, is he a oceanic passanger??
And really, to me, who are the 6 is not so important (whit a twist maybe)

They probably didn't confirm that it was Aaron in the podcast since it wouldve ruined this episode. The whole surprise of the Sun flashforward/Jin flashback would've been ruined if we knew that there was only 1 more member of the O6, not two. I think that's the short answer to why they said Aaron wasn't one of the O6 when in reality he is.

Hey, you're right! Their story about Kate saving 7 people, 2 of which are dead really rules out Aaron as one of the O6!

We are still missing one... so I vote for Michael then. But even if we can guess he is one, we really don't know that for sure. (What about Walt? I can't ever think that Michael would go home without him, unless he thinks he is dead... Walt would count for one as well, as he was on the manifest!)
It can't be Michael. The O6 are supposed to be celebrities. If it was Michael, his obituary would have had that fact in the headline, plus there would probably be at least some press at the viewing, or outside it, or something.

It can't be Michael. The O6 are supposed to be celebrities. If it was Michael, his obituary would have had that fact in the headline, plus there would probably be at least some press at the viewing, or outside it, or something.

You talk as if you know for a fact he is in the coffin. While I am currently leaning toward this theory, we don't know for sure yet. And if somehow you do know, it would be a spoiler to discuss it so matter of factly.

Pythagoras makes a good point, If Michael was a member of the O6 he would have been a celebrity and they would have made some kind of fuss about his death. I do think he is in the coffin, only because he's back and the fact that no one showed up to his funeral, while he may have a hand in getting them rescued, he screwed them over and that explains Kates response to Jack asking about her attending the funeral, also at the point of Jacks FF Walt would be a teenager, but why did Walt not go to the funeral?

How was Michael in any shapre or form revealed to be one of the Oceanic 6 in this episode? The ad said we would learn the last member of the Oceanic 6 and nothing was shown in the least to hint that Micahel was one of the Oceanic 6, so how could it hav ebeen revealed to be him? Just cause he showed up in the episode? Bernard did too and he hasn't appeard since the premiere does that make him one of the Oceanic 6? Aaron is one of the Oceanic 6. All the term means are 6 people who became some what celebs after Oceanic paid them a huge settlement. Where have they even hinted that you had to be on the manifest to be one of the Oceanic 6? Nowhere. It's fan implied which has no validity on its own. They were 6 people who survived the place crash in one form or another. Just because he survived in utero doesn't make him not a survivor. And Sun's daughter wasn't born and so there for couldn't be one, though there is nothing to say Sun didn't get a larger settlement than the others because she was pregnant. In fact she probably did, but we've been shown nothing that lets us know that either way.

could the oceanic six be Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Jack, Sun and Michael? Or could Michael have kept the name of Kevin Johnson and that would make Aaron the sixth person? Would the coffin then contain Kevin Johnson aka Michael?
Many questions, few answers.

Agreed. The promo was correct and the last of the O6 were both revealed. But we were led to believe it would be Sun and Jin. It's Sun and Michael.

I disagree. Aaron was the fifth, Sun was the sixth. Aaron was born on the Island, so it will be interesting to know whether the "world" thinks he was an infant when the plane crashed and he was aboard with Kate -- or whether Kate gave birth after the crash -- come to think of it, the Island must have magical properties for Claire's in utero baby to have survived the crash. I remember Kate's statement about "my son" during her trial. Clearly this is part of the conspiracy, and I expect Sun is covering up as well, in hopes that someday Jin will see his daugther.

But didn't someone say that in the Podcast that Darlton said Aaron did not count? I have not listened to the podcast, so I cannot say, but I saw enough people here saying that they said that, so I took it that he did not count, otherwise I believed that he counted.

That is what I thought.

P.S. either the baloons need to be here everyday for everyone else's birthday or not at all!!

How was Michael in any shapre or form revealed to be one of the Oceanic 6 in this episode? The ad said we would learn the last member of the Oceanic 6 and nothing was shown in the least to hint that Micahel was one of the Oceanic 6, so how could it hav ebeen revealed to be him? Just cause he showed up in the episode? Bernard did too and he hasn't appeard since the premiere does that make him one of the Oceanic 6?
I'm not saying this is the case, but here is how it could be the Michael was revealed in this episode to be one of the O6:

As the tile of this thread implies, you can't always trust the promos - prime example being the dreadful Bai Ling episode. So, let's say that whoever makes up the promos knows that in some future episode , Michael is revealed to be one of the O6. So with that knowledge, and with the knowledge that Michael's first appearance is in this episode, it is possible that the promo people consider his appearance in Ji Yeon the revelation that he's one of the O6. Very sloppy on the part of the promo people, if this is how it happened, but it's at least possible.
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That is what I thought.

P.S. either the baloons need to be here everyday for everyone else's birthday or not at all!!
I vote not at all. Completely annoying.

THE PROMO DID NOT SAY 'THE LAST MEMBER OF THE OCEANIC SIX WILL BE REVEALED'

it said the last of the Oceanic Six will be revealed...

And the Oceanic Six are considered SURVIVORS of Flight 815...so Ji Yeon would be considered a survivor IF you consider Aaron a survivor...you HAVE to apply the same rules...

Also, Kate was VERY CLEAR in Eggtown that she did not want Aaron brought into the trial AT ALL, or under no circumstance...which means she is trying to protect Him, or she is trying to protect herself even further, because her story could not of included being pregnant at the time of the crash AND swimming out to sea AND saving 7 other people...NOT 6!!!

That is your biggest clue.

then you have the podcasts that are very unclear on if Aaron is an O6 member or not.

Someone mentioned earlier that we have no signs to even point toward Michael being a member of the O6, yet we have NO SIGNS that say Aaron is. We are not ABSOLUTELY sure Aaron is Claire's...


The fact of the matter is that we are still not sure on who the complete cast of the Oceanic Six are



Please get rid of the flaoting graphics...

For a moment lets say that the coordinates that Ben gave Michael actually took Michael a year or two back into the past (Walt's growth spurt could be proof of this) and the only way for Michael to get his life back is to get back to the island and be found as one of the surviving members of the Oceanic 6.

And the Oceanic Six are considered SURVIVORS of Flight 815...so Ji Yeon would be considered a survivor IF you consider Aaron a survivor...you HAVE to apply the same rules...

The "same rules" being that Aaron was already born by the time they got off the island while Ji Yeon wasn't born until several months later?

The "same rules" being that Aaron was already born by the time they got off the island while Ji Yeon wasn't born until several months later?

but wouldn't Ji Yeon still be a survivor???

After all, she didn't die during the crash and she was 'alive' before

but wouldn't Ji Yeon still be a survivor???

After all, she didn't die during the crash and she was 'alive' before
But she wasn't "alive" on the island. She was born after the rescue. At the time of rescue there were 6 living people who were brought back to civilization, hence the media dubbed them the Oceanic 6. They wouldn't include an unborn baby in that quantity.

But she wasn't "alive" on the island. She was born after the rescue. At the time of rescue there were 6 living people who were brought back to civilization, hence the media dubbed them the Oceanic 6. They wouldn't include an unborn baby in that quantity.


I understand that Ji Yeon wasn't born at time of resuce, but wouldn't the media 'eat up' that story as well...not 1, but 2 unborn children surviving the crash??? I understand the fact that Aaron was born under adverse situations or events is a HUGE story, but to have 2 pregnant women survive the crash and better yet their unborn fetus survive would be an amazing story...

which leads us back to the 2 pregnant women...Kate wasn't pregnant, and she is passing Aaron off as her own...of course neither was Sun, but this is not the story the media 'knows'

Hopefully you could see where there is still speculation as to whom the final member of the O6 are

I understand that Ji Yeon wasn't born at time of resuce, but wouldn't the media 'eat up' that story as well...not 1, but 2 unborn children surviving the crash??? I understand the fact that Aaron was born under adverse situations or events is a HUGE story, but to have 2 pregnant women survive the crash and better yet their unborn fetus survive would be an amazing story...

which leads us back to the 2 pregnant women...Kate wasn't pregnant, and she is passing Aaron off as her own...of course neither was Sun, but this is not the story the media 'knows'

Hopefully you could see where there is still speculation as to whom the final member of the O6 are
I absolutely see why there is still uncertainty about who that final member is. But I don't agree that it's possible that Ji Yeon is that member. My guess is it's Aaron, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they say it's Michael.

I also agree that it would be a HUGE story that 2 pregnant women survived the crash, and that the media would eat that up - but we haven't seen much of the media's reaction to the O6 yet, so that aspect of the story may very well be headline news. However, just the fact that there were ANY survivors it all is a miracle; the fact that two of those survivors were pregnant isn't any more of a miracle, it's more like a blessing, that there weren't two victims in addition to the 324 passengers. So to the news media, the pregnancy angle is a great B-story; the survival of the 6 (or 5?) actual passengers is the A-story, IMHO.

I absolutely see why there is still uncertainty about who that final member is. But I don't agree that it's possible that Ji Yeon is that member. My guess is it's Aaron, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they say it's Michael.

I also agree that it would be a HUGE story that 2 pregnant women survived the crash, and that the media would eat that up - but we haven't seen much of the media's reaction to the O6 yet, so that aspect of the story may very well be headline news. However, just the fact that there were ANY survivors it all is a miracle; the fact that two of those survivors were pregnant isn't any more of a miracle, it's more like a blessing, that there weren't two victims in addition to the 324 passengers. So to the news media, the pregnancy angle is a great B-story; the survival of the 6 (or 5?) actual passengers is the A-story, IMHO.

just for clarification, I am not suggesting Ji Yeon is the final member of the O6...I think Michael is

I understand that Ji Yeon wasn't born at time of resuce, but wouldn't the media 'eat up' that story as well...not 1, but 2 unborn children surviving the crash??? I understand the fact that Aaron was born under adverse situations or events is a HUGE story, but to have 2 pregnant women survive the crash and better yet their unborn fetus survive would be an amazing story...

which leads us back to the 2 pregnant women...Kate wasn't pregnant, and she is passing Aaron off as her own...of course neither was Sun, but this is not the story the media 'knows'

Hopefully you could see where there is still speculation as to whom the final member of the O6 are
The Rest of the Entire World believes that Jin Died in the Crash, there fore Sun would have been pregnant at the time of the crash just the same as Claire. Ji Yeon would have the exact same status as Aaron. Therefore neither Aaron or Ji Yeon should be part of the Oceanic 6. The world would Know. I think they are reffering to Michael.

See my last post:
For a moment lets say that the coordinates that Ben gave Michael actually took Michael a year or two back into the past (Walt's growth spurt could be proof of this) and the only way for Michael to get his life back is to get back to the island and be found as one of the surviving members of the Oceanic 6.

The Rest of the Entire World believes that Jin Died in the Crash, there fore Sun would have been pregnant at the time of the crash just the same as Claire. Ji Yeon would have the exact same status as Aaron. Therefore neither Aaron or Ji Yeon should be part of the Oceanic 6. The world would Know.No one questions Sun being considered pregnant at the time of the crash. It's the fact that Aaron had already been born at the time of the rescue that differentiates him from Ji Yeon.

Essentially you are saying if Aaron counts as an O6, then Sun would have to count as two?

When you think about it, this O6 is an extraordinary bunch,
a guy with more than a hundred million, a former IRAQI torturer,
a top surgeon who was accompanying his father's coffin,
TWO pregnant women, one giving birth on the island
and a murderer and runaway,
the other the daughter of a billionaire. Add to that
the cover story of Kate (the murderer) saving everybody,
and the fact that the airplane was found in the ocean
thousands of miles away with everybody presumed dead!!
(the conspiracy angle alone would keep this story alive for almost
forever).

To add to this, all but Hurley could be considered attractive.

That's one hell of a story!!
No wonder the media went beserk over them.

I understand that Ji Yeon wasn't born at time of resuce, but wouldn't the media 'eat up' that story as well...not 1, but 2 unborn children surviving the crash??? I understand the fact that Aaron was born under adverse situations or events is a HUGE story, but to have 2 pregnant women survive the crash and better yet their unborn fetus survive would be an amazing story...

which leads us back to the 2 pregnant women...Kate wasn't pregnant, and she is passing Aaron off as her own...of course neither was Sun, but this is not the story the media 'knows'

Hopefully you could see where there is still speculation as to whom the final member of the O6 are

I completely agree with your posts on this subject.

The Rest of the Entire World believes that Jin Died in the Crash, there fore Sun would have been pregnant at the time of the crash just the same as Claire. Ji Yeon would have the exact same status as Aaron. Therefore neither Aaron or Ji Yeon should be part of the Oceanic 6. The world would Know. I think they are reffering to Michael.

I completely agree with this post also.

If the main thought of the O6 is that they're those who survived the crash and made it off the island, why count the newborn baby as one but not the baby that is soon to be born? They both were alive (in womb) at the time of the crash and they both made it off (one in womb, one not) - I don't see a discernible enough reason to count one and not the other.

The same reason why when it was shown that Desmond brought the plane down when he didnt push the button people still didnt want to believe that. That the producers finally had to just tell everyone. I don't even know why they give us answers if we're not going to believe them. They should just pause the image, let the producers step in and say, "This is the scene where this was supposed to happen. But since we didn't think you'd believe us, there is no reason to produce it, so let us just tell you what happens flat out..."

...and just because 6 are known to the press doesnt mean that there were a couple more that aren't known. (like Desmond...)

Thank you!!! I've been screaming this all along!!! Even Darlton confirmed in the Eggtown prehash that we would find out the next O6 member that night. The only new one in that episode was Aaron. Cut and dry, I'm not sure why this keeps dragging on!
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Still doesnt meant that they couldnt have possibly gotten off the Island. Im sure Mr. Widmore could have easily brought her daugher and future son-in-law back and made it look like they never left.

Correct, Desmond, Juliet and Ben dont count. Not on plane.
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Actually, they ended it with, "Anything's Possible."

(Hey, and if we believe everything we hear on that podcast, one of them can play the Banjo and there's going to be a Zombie season! Cant wait for that!)

Because Damon actually said it. But I should know by now they lie.
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You forget they're making up a story to cover something up. Jack's entire testamony was inconsistant.

No, remember the date on Jin's tombstone! It is inconsistent with him surviving the crash.

Because Damon actually said it. But I should know by now they lie.
Here is a question/answer from their recent interview with UGO.
UGO: Here's an issue that arises with regards to that. Fans will speculate about different aspects of the show and will often reference statements that were made, like "Oh it can't be about time travel because Damon and JJ said on the non-linear board at The Fuselage that there is no time travel in the show." How do you deal with it when, I don't want to say out and out lie, but if a fan or an interviewer asks a question that is going to really blow the story open; you obviously can't say "yeah, that's right."


CARLTON: Obviously, we're very careful about what we say. But, honestly, the assumption that you can figure it all out pre-supposes that you know enough about the world of the show to figure it all out. If I were to ask you towards the end of season one what your theory on what all the revelations of Lost are, you're going to give a wildly different answer then you would now part way through season 4. What we would say is there are still twists and turns and unexpected surprises to come, so its really hard to figure out where we're going because the audience doesn't possess enough information yet. Occasionally people do stumble upon bits and pieces of things that are true and I think that is great, but it has to remain that viewers individual satisfaction because we're not going to ruin it for everybody else by saying "Yes! That's exactly what is going to happen."

DAMON: The reality is, anything that Carlton and I say, or anyone involved with the show says, that is all part of the politicking that sort of surrounds the show. We like the idea of being answerable to the show, that is to say if we do something the fans don't like we can come forward and apologize for it and explain what the thought process was for executing that story line. Or, vice versa, if we do something people really like we get to sort of pull that forward and explain, for instance, that we weren't able to do the flash forward part of the story until they promised us an end to the show, and this is how we were able to end the show, and this is why we are doing three more seasons, and so on. The fans are owed those explanations. But, in a lot of ways it is like J.K. Rowling revealing that Dumbledore was gay. She's saying this, and it is part of her talking about the books, but all that matters at the end of the day is the books. So, watching the show Lost, you watch it and the data is there for you to form whatever theories you have, and you can't factor in anything that even the creators or actors are saying about the show outside of the show, because at the end of the day the show will be processed in six DVD box sets. It will be completely irrelevant as to whether we confirmed or denied or speculated. The one thing that Carlton and I are steadfast on saying over and over again, and that we're not lying about is that the show is not all a dream. It's happening in the real world, there are real stakes, you're not going to get to the end and cut to black and suddenly realize that this was all sort of a fantasy. That's the only thing that we sort of need to get out there in the world, because it does diffuse a lot of wacky theories.

Even Darlton confirmed in the Eggtown prehash that we would find out the next O6 member that night. The only new one in that episode was Aaron. Cut and dry, I'm not sure why this keeps dragging on!
Kate was revealed as one of the O6 that night. Aaron never was. Note that Darlton also said that we should be wondering if Ben is one of the O6, since he could have assumed the identity of one of the dead people from the plane.

...heck, maybe Aaron wasn't rescued at all, but after the O6 got off the island, Claire arranged to send him through the same wormhole Locke's dad used, and Kate picked him up in Tallahassee! ;)

Yeah we will know the O6 for sure by the end of the next episode according to the Podcast, and if it is still not clear a list will be produced.

But wow, what a reveal, Dumbledore was gay...

If the main thought of the O6 is that they're those who survived the crash and made it off the island, why count the newborn baby as one but not the baby that is soon to be born? They both were alive (in womb) at the time of the crash and they both made it off (one in womb, one not) - I don't see a discernible enough reason to count one and not the other.There are plenty of people who draw distinctions between the born and unborn... The big question is, just how pregnant was Sun at the time of rescue? If she wasn't showing, the media might not have even known when they coined the term "Oceanic 6."

But wow, what a reveal, Dumbledore was gay...

I don't know if it was addressed in the books since I have not read them, but I thought it was more of that is how he was written, and Rowling is just giving a little insight into her mentality toward that character. That follows with how I took that comment from the interview because at the end of it all, we will have the DVDs and we can interpret things how we please.

But didn't someone say that in the Podcast that Darlton said Aaron did not count? I have not listened to the podcast, so I cannot say, but I saw enough people here saying that they said that, so I took it that he did not count, otherwise I believed that he counted.

You're right, they did say Aaron did not count as one of the 6, and neither do Juliet, Ben or anyone else who wasn't on the original flight. (And yes, I know technically Aaron was on the flight but he wasn't on the passenger roster).

Darlton confirmed that the full 6 would be revealed at the end of episode 7 and that they would not be 'cutesy' about it. Therefore, I took from that that the 6 are:-

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Michael.

However, this doesn't explain what has happened to Walt!!! If Michael returned home safely at some point (which he must have done for the world to realise there were 6 of them), did Walt return with him? Was he hidden away for his own safety & Michael claimed he died on the island/in the crash? Or did something actually happen to him?

Where is Walt while Michael is on the freighter?

Yet more questions - but that is the nature of Lost I suppose!

You're right, they did say Aaron did not count as one of the 6, and neither do Juliet, Ben or anyone else who wasn't on the original flight. (And yes, I know technically Aaron was on the flight but he wasn't on the passenger roster).

Darlton confirmed that the full 6 would be revealed at the end of episode 7 and that they would not be 'cutesy' about it. Therefore, I took from that that the 6 are:-

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Michael.


I don't remember them saying Aaron was NOT a member. They said it was up in the air. He was "in utero" so he was on the plane. You cannot discount Aaron at this point, especially as he has appeared in a flash-forward. Michael has not!

I don't remember them saying Aaron was NOT a member. They said it was up in the air. He was "in utero" so he was on the plane. You cannot discount Aaron at this point, especially as he has appeared in a flash-forward. Michael has not!

You are correct, and they did not say we would know by the end of JY, but one said we WOULD know by the end of episode 8, and one said we SHOULD know by the end of JY...


...and just because 6 are known to the press doesnt mean that there were a couple more that aren't known. (like Desmond...)


The same could be said of Aaron...

The same could be said of Aaron...

Thing is, the Press must have known of Aaron. I think he's one of the O6, because he would have been lauded by the media as Kate Austen's son... which is how her mum knew of his existence.

I don't remember them saying Aaron was NOT a member. They said it was up in the air. He was "in utero" so he was on the plane. You cannot discount Aaron at this point, especially as he has appeared in a flash-forward. Michael has not!
Thats actually a good point, but remember we still have 6 episodes left this year, and we're supposed to know by the end of the season who the O6 is for sure, but you made the post on the day of episode 8 entilted Meet Kevin Johnson, so it would stand to reason that it is a Michael FB or FF epi.so your taking an awful chance of being shown the final member of the O6 tonight.spoiler pertains to tonights episode title and the possibility of the FF or FB.

Thing is, the Press must have known of Aaron. I think he's one of the O6, because he would have been lauded by the media as Kate Austen's son... which is how her mum knew of his existence.

but we have nothing to point to the fact that the media even knows about him. Kate could have simply said, Mom you betrayed me and now you will never see your grandson because of it...

the fact of the matter is that we have absolutely no proof or even evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that Aaron or Michael is the final member of the O6...and I think TPTB dont want to tell us because this leaves an opening to make either one the final member

your taking an awful chance of being shown the final member of the O6 tonight.spoiler pertains to tonights episode title and the possibility of the FF or FB. I'm not taking a chance on anything. At this moment in time Aaron could be in the O6 (i think so). Who knows what will happen tonight apart from people who've been spoiled. Personally i think tonight will show Pala Ferry to Freighter time so a flashback. That wont confirm if he's O6 or not and just how much can they fit into 40 mins?
100%
but we have nothing to point to the fact that the media even knows about him. Kate could have simply said, Mom you betrayed me and now you will never see your grandson because of it...
I take it implicitly that they know that Aaron exists. It would be pretty hard for them not to in my opinion. Kate's Mum and Lawyer can't have kept it secret.


the fact of the matter is that we have absolutely no proof or even evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that Aaron or Michael is the final member of the O6...and I think TPTB dont want to tell us because this leaves an opening to make either one the final member

I agree.

That wont confirm if he's O6 or not and just how much can they fit into 40 mins?

A lot, I also think it will be a FB.

Ok so I think I've figured it out.

I've been of the mindframe that Aaron and Ji Yeon can't be the OC6 because they weren't born yet. I'm still of that opinion. I was also of the opinion that Michael couldn't be because he and Walt were already off the Island. But of course, if Michael is on the boat then he isn't on the mainland. If something were to go horribly wrong for most of the Ship (ala the captain, etc) then Michael would have the chance to play himself off as one of the survivors. Another thing to consider is that it is widely believed Michael was the one in the coffin at the end of Season 3, so if we go by that assumption we need to have an explanation for how he got off the Island. Well if Ben didn't send him... and now he is on the boat with many of the OC6... I'm guessing its Michael. Now as for what happened to Walt? I'm going to guess Ben was a jerk and kept him on the Island.

Either way, my theory proves nothing, but I have a feeling that its Michael.

OC6 Don't call them that, sorry I couldn't help myself, if you don't know it's a reference to Arrested development, anyway I can't believe I've stopped thinking that Locke is in the coffin, I was just so sure I was right, and know I think it is Michael. SPOILERS SUCK.

Don't call them that, sorry I couldn't help myself, if you don't know it's a reference to Arrested development, anyway I can't believe I've stopped thinking that Locke is in the coffin, I was just so sure I was right, and know I think it is Michael. SPOILERS SUCK.

Ive never seen a spoiler that says Michael is in the pine box???

All we know is that the person in the coffin is someone we have seen on the show in the first 3 seasons...the speculation is that Michael is the inhabitant of that coffin, but that is a guess just like lottery numbers

Ive never seen a spoiler that says Michael is in the pine box???

All we know is that the person in the coffin is someone we have seen on the show in the first 3 seasons...the speculation is that Michael is the inhabitant of that coffin, but that is a guess just like lottery numbers
I was simply stating that spoilers suck, I think the guess that Mike is in the coffin is as good as any if not better than most.

While we don't entirely trust promos, at the end of "Meet Kevin Johnson," the promo says "We now know who the Oceanic Six are"--and then they show pictures of Jack, Sayid, Hurley, Sun, Kate and Aaron in the flashforwards.

Cardie

While we don't entirely trust promos, at the end of "Meet Kevin Johnson," the promo says "We now know who the Oceanic Six are"--and then they show pictures of Jack, Sayid, Hurley, Sun, Kate and Aaron in the flashforwards.

Cardie

Confirmed in most recent podcast- no more speculating.

Right. And I think it is worth mentioning that Carlton also said that ABC called him to approve the promo. He mentioned the Eggtown promo. Did he say he approved that one too? I can't remember. That actually gets back to the original post of this thread, whether or not we should trust the promos on such big matters.

Will the Oceanic Six be rescued by the end of Season 4?

Will the Oceanic Six be rescued by the end of Season 4?

If you want an official answer, I don't think they've said either way, but I'm under the impression the season will end with them going home. Season 5 and 6 we will learn what happens to each group post departure. We already know some of what happens to them, but I think there's a lot more.