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Sorry to be the first one to post in this thread but here it goes...

I know it is leading somewhere but to me it was bits and pieces of the same that we've seen in the past few episodes. I was not impressed.

I am really going to have to piece the entire finale together as a whole and not this episode as a stand-alone. Which is isn't but part of a whole.

Enough jibber jabber. I am hoping that the last two hours live up to the hype and PR that we've been reading and hearing about.

I keep reminding myself that, just as change and improvement are not the same thing; that action and story telling are not the same thing either.

P. S. Hope to see Vincent in those last two hours. Go Vincent!

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Not a bad episode, but certainly not a great one. Essentially just another one of those "Bear with us, we're gearing up for something big" time-killers.

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The only time I wrote negatively here was with the "The Other Woman"--which was the all time worst Lost episode ever with its horrible execution, crazy(and now ditched) Ben/Juliet/Jack triangle, and almost deleted scene quality directing.

This episdoe was not bad..it was just not good for a part one finale. It was like reading an encyclopedia. I have said before..I dont care what happens on lost as long as its executed right. I dont care about facts..I care about execution of each scene

Now, you tell me that each scene was executed to its highest degree. I felt almost nothing until the end. All I saw was facts unfold and chess peices being put in place. No solid theme to speak of.

I dont want to hear that you have to move your peices into place for part 2 and 3. You certainly can do this AND make each scene rivetting and they did not. I know they were rushed--but it really showed.

Im sure fact lovers think this season is the best. But the real fact is season 2 and 3 were much better in terms of acting, directing, and story themes. I think they bent to the will of the complainers--not realizing that the silent majority just enjoys clever storytelling and is not obsessed with knowing who bens constant is, or if Jesus is going to be used as a weapon.

Knowing themes very well I clearly saw what most Lost viewers who posted here after the show didnt see....

That the whole episode was built upon moving the oceanic 6 as far apart as they could be on the Island so we couldnt comprehend how they would ever all get together in the end. Thats what the episode was about. Its starts with them all together on the plane--then shows them on the Island separating in so many ways that we are suppose to guess their future paths and how they will converge.

Got it..but it was weak scene by scene.

Things that would have made it more compelling...

Desmond and Daniel should have had a moment

Jack should have built a stronger relationship with Claire in the previous episodes AND he should have guessed who the blond Ausse mother was going to name while at his father's funeral. Only an idiot would have to be told it was Claire. It would have been more compelling if Jack said "Claire" right before her mother did.

Claire's mom should have asked the childs name and mentioned it was the name of her father or other relative.

Ben should have called Hurley "Dude" :) After he said the crackers were years old.

Little touches are missing from Lost lately. It feels rushed. It would only take a jot and tittle here and there to put episodes like this over the top. I hope we see better in the next episodes.

I think this was simply a placeholder for the final episode. Nothing substantial happened, we didn't learn anything new, no one really changed. I was disappointed that they seem to be waiting for the final 2 hours to drop the bomb without using this epi to further the story.

The last 2 min also told me that they didn't care that much about this epi, but we HAD to watch the next one.

Kudos to John Burger for nailing it.

I thought that scene with Sun and her father was pretty bad. It felt too much like that show "Dallas" that used to be on back in the day.

I kept thinking Sun was going to announce she had taken over "Ewing oil".

It was slightly weak, but only in comparison to this otherwise near-flawless season (with the exception of the subpar, but still overall good, "The Other Woman"). It's a bit scatterbrain, though each of those scattered bits are compelling (particularly the brilliantly acted scene where Jack finds out about Claire, and Hurley w/ the numbers). Its flaws are forgivable because it is clearly only part of a 3 hour episode.

I'd still say A-, because the only episode I've ever hated was the Claire on-island flashback in season 2. Outside of that, the show is generally excellent and often BRILLIANT!

the brilliantly acted scene where Jack finds out about Claire

Say waaaahhh??? :shocking:


I thought that was one of the all-time worst LOST scenes, for both its writing and its acting. Mostly I thought it was drawn-out far too long.

But to each his own. *shrug*

I'm not going to condemn the epp as it is a 2 parter, but it really was quite painful, I find myself checking how much is left every 5 mins thinking somethings got to happen soon, maybe an answer in a min, no, OK something must happen soon there's only 10 mins left... no. In reality nothing really happened.

Who cares about a press conference that has no bearing on anything, who cares about a car with the numbers on the tach, OK its prob going to feed into something in the next series but for god sake this is the series finale. WE WANT ANSWERS NOT MORE QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway I'm not going to completely blow up about this as I'M SURE the next epp will be completely action packed otherwise people are going to get lynched. hint hint :) I did give up smoking this week so that prob didn't help but why did I find the epp sooooooo frustrating, let me think could it be because it took an entire epp for B H & L to get to the orchid, It took an entire epp for J & S to get to the chopper and at least 2 or 4 scenes for some of the losties to get to the freighter. We probably found out more about the baby's complexion in the epp than anything else he was in sooooo many scenes, AGHHHHHHHHHHH lol OK rant over, and after such a good epp last week, why do the do it? Do they think were going to stop watching if we get 2 good episodes in a row?

Well im editing after reading the Loved it thread, I cant believe how biased it is this week towards the Loved it side. Someone even said best episode ever! I'm going to go back and rewatch because I must have passed out during the good bits or something. Then I read that its going to be 2 weeks till the next epp, at which point my head exploded.

Writer's strike, short season, and we get...half an episode of flash forwards into Hurley birthday parties and similar.

I mean, really?

I think this was simply a placeholder for the final episode. Nothing substantial happened, we didn't learn anything new, no one really changed.

ITA. The episode felt like the first hour of a season finale. Of course, it is the first hour of a season finale, but it seems to me the show could've been edited better to deal with that. I believe that parts 2 and 3 will be much better. I hope ABC shows all 3 parts in one night. That would be some fun viewing!

I thought that scene with Sun and her father was pretty bad. It felt too much like that show "Dallas" that used to be on back in the day.

I kept thinking Sun was going to announce she had taken over "Ewing oil".

Yesterday morning I posted on the “Rate It” thread, that I thought this scene was taken right out of the Dallas / Dynasty playbook. I was waiting for Sun to say, “I’ll break ya,” like J.R. used to say to Cliff Barnes.

It just was people splitting up and walking for an hour fairly boring I felt bar a few bits of superb acting by NA, EM, YJK and ME it just felt badly done. However it was directed by the same person who did Eggtown and Meet Kevin Johnson the two other (in my opinion) weak episodes of this season

Just my initial impressions:

the first 5-10 minutes were excruciatingly boring.

Sun's coporate takeover was just laughable. Seriously, who thought this would be a good idea? And what kind of money would that take? It would be 100s of millions of dollars, not the millions that Oceanic paid out.

The scene with Hurley's birthday party was absolutely useless. They just needed to find more screen time for Cheech.

And what can I say about the press conference? It makes me wonder if the writers are watching their own show. Here's Jack's sworn testimony from Eggtown:

JACK: Um..on September 22, 2004, Kate (sighs, smiling) --Ms. Austen and I were both passengers on Oceanic Flight 815, which crash-landed on an island in the South Pacific.

So, why are we now being told that it was off the coast of Indonesia? You'd think that would be a pretty big contradiction.

And can't forget about Ben always having a plan. That got old last season.

Yeah, unfortunately I agree with the sentiments in this thread... definitely this season hasn't had the same kinds of episodes that we had in season 1 and 2, and to an extent in 3, where we had some kind of emotional or psychological theme to the episode. Now it just seems like one episode after the other trying to get us to think "wow that's complicated and weird", whilst not really paying any attention to character development or anything else. I really don't care about any of the new characters, and most of the regulars are not being portrayed properly now, they're just tools to move the show on, rather than the show exploring them as characters.

The episode didn't feel like it was bringing anything new to the table, just more like setting the pieces on a chessboard before the real game starts. It didn't deliver what I've come to expect from the show. I understand it's trying to set a premise for the finale, but at least give us a morsel or two. It's pretty pathetic when the only thing we really have to debate for an episode is whether or not a bald crewman on a Coast Guard plane is Locke.

What a YAWN that was!

But then, I was tired of flashforwards after The Economist.

Oh well. At least there was the chance to laugh at Kate's incredible tracking skills. What is she, one quarter Kalahari Bushman and one quarter bloodhound? Were Jack & Sawyer stopping every 5 minutes to take a dump?

On the negative side, there was Ben's, "When will you learn John? I always have a plan".
Come on Hurley...
Come on Hurley, say it...
Say it...
Say it Hurley...
God damn you Hurley, say it... SAY IT!!!!

"You always have a plan? Dude... is that why Alex is dead?"

Jack should have built a stronger relationship with Claire in the previous episodes AND he should have guessed who the blond Ausse mother was going to name while at his father's funeral. Only an idiot would have to be told it was Claire. It would have been more compelling if Jack said "Claire" right before her mother did.

Claire's mom should have asked the childs name and mentioned it was the name of her father or other relative.



Jack didn't know Claire. According to the Oceanic 6 cover up story, at least. She died in the crash. .....Probably. So maybe they didn't "mess up the execution of the scene." Instead, they couldn't do it your way because it's just not how the story fits.

Jack didn't know Claire. According to the Oceanic 6 cover up story, at least. She died in the crash. .....Probably. So maybe they didn't "mess up the execution of the scene." Instead, they couldn't do it your way because it's just not how the story fits.

I thought they messed it up but not for those reasons. Usually, Matthew Fox does a great job as Jack, but it just looked like he got a migrane in this scene.

Sun's coporate takeover was just laughable. Seriously, who thought this would be a good idea? And what kind of money would that take? It would be 100s of millions of dollars, not the millions that Oceanic paid out.

The scene with Hurley's birthday party was absolutely useless. They just needed to find more screen time for Cheech.

And what can I say about the press conference? It makes me wonder if the writers are watching their own show. Here's Jack's sworn testimony from Eggtown:

JACK: Um..on September 22, 2004, Kate (sighs, smiling) --Ms. Austen and I were both passengers on Oceanic Flight 815, which crash-landed on an island in the South Pacific.

So, why are we now being told that it was off the coast of Indonesia? You'd think that would be a pretty big contradiction.

And can't forget about Ben always having a plan. That got old last season.

Too funny. I posted the same thing about Sun and daddy. I’m not asking the writers to get an MBA or anything, just maybe tune in CNBC for a week or so. A public company like that would easily mean hundreds of millions; to get a controlling interest- we’re not talking about a 5 or 10% stake, here. Guys like Carl Icahn take months and years to build large stakes in companies- and even then the whole point is just to get his own people on the board, so there’s still no guarantee he can force changes. And for those who don’t know who Carl Icahn is, he’s a very well established, billionaire (that’s with a “B”) advocate investor. How much would someone receive from an airline settlement? Most airlines have no money the way it is, which is why they are always filing for bankruptcy. Just pathetic.

Pretty amazing that 6-month-pregnant Kate rescued the rest of them (the 7 others that made it to shore). I posted on a different thread about how ridiculous this was- while Sun and Sayid are pretty small; I think Hurley would have given her quite the challenge.

Regarding the continuity problems, etc. I would certainly hope that TPTB are purposely going down two different paths (Eggtown v. this episode), but I shutter to think of their reasoning. I mean, they can’t actually believe that this audience (people who re-watch the episodes, looking for shreds of evidence here and there, Easter Eggs, etc.) wasn’t going to catch this kind of stuff.

Hey... Jack should have built a stronger relationship with Claire in the previous episodes AND he should have guessed who the blond Ausse mother was going to name while at his father's funeral. Only an idiot would have to be told it was Claire. It would have been more compelling if Jack said "Claire" right before her mother did.

Ben should have called Hurley "Dude" :) After he said the crackers were years old.

Little touches are missing from Lost lately. It feels rushed. It would only take a jot and tittle here and there to put episodes like this over the top. I hope we see better in the next episodes.

1. Yeah, Jack should have had a moment there where he knew who the mother was talking about. By the accent, even a non-Lost viewer would have guessed that. Plus, this would have made them - Jack and Claire's mom - related in some way. Pretty hard to walk away from that.

2. "Dude, those crackers are 15 years old." That would have been GOLD. By far the PAWs (producers and writers) missed a great opportunity to have a character say something that would have been the all time favorite quote.

For as long as I live, that line will be the best line not said in the series. In fact, I am going to put those words in KittyThor's mouth right now.

This episdoe was not bad..it was just not good for a part one finale. It was like reading an encyclopedia. I have said before..I dont care what happens on lost as long as its executed right. I dont care about facts..I care about execution of each scene...

... Jack should have built a stronger relationship with Claire in the previous episodes AND he should have guessed who the blond Ausse mother was going to name while at his father's funeral. Only an idiot would have to be told it was Claire. It would have been more compelling if Jack said "Claire" right before her mother did.

Claire's mom should have asked the childs name and mentioned it was the name of her father or other relative.

Ben should have called Hurley "Dude" :) After he said the crackers were years old.

Little touches are missing from Lost lately. It feels rushed. It would only take a jot and tittle here and there to put episodes like this over the top. I hope we see better in the next episodes.

This is what happens when you ignore character development all season, especially for the original characters, and start making episodes either heavy on the Indiana Jones / Commando stuff or soap drama. I’ve said again and again this season how they have just tossed aside many characters, Claire being one of them. Whether you like her or not, her character has to be an important part of how this whole show raps up in S6 (because of Aaron). Otherwise, why make such a big deal out of the whole Raised By Another theme? I’m not a huge sci-fi fan, but I know babies are typically a big deal in sci-fi (like Luke and Leia Skywalker). So, if a baby were born on this weird Island, against all odds, one would think the mother and baby were special, somehow.

They cast aside Charlie like he didn’t matter to the show at all, giving big fans of his character a little tease here and there with his dead-but-here-self visiting Hurley. Now, Claire dumps Aaron in the brush to go hang with dad in Jacob’s cabin and that (most likely), for the most part, will be that. So, you’re exactly right, they should have made the bond / relationship between Jack and Claire stronger- that would have made this scene at his dad’s funeral much more powerful. As it was, I thought it was just more soap drama (I really don’t get all of the posts on other threads stating that it was one of, if not the best scene). For starters, instead of having the mother there, it should have been the aunt (I’m sure Jacob somehow brought mum out of the coma, but that’s as lame as Jacob curing Juliet’s sister of cancer, IMO). I can suspend my beliefs for a lot of things on the Island (not Smokey, but a lot of other things), but not on other continents.

I also agree, having Ben say, “Dude, those crackers are 15 years old,” would have easily been one of the Top 10 lines ever on the show. If John Burger could come up with it, the writers should have been able to as well (no offense, at all, to John Burger).

This is the worst episode ever. When they started "Flash Forwards" the intensity of the show was lost. All I kept thinking was this is not exciting, I know these people get off the island, so the what's going to happen to them factor is lost. I know they make it home so its not scary. Who cares there is C4 all over the boat? We know which people live to make it back, NOT EXCITING! The flash forwards have ruined what was a great show.

This is the worst episode ever. When they started "Flash Forwards" the intensity of the show was lost. All I kept thinking was this is not exciting, I know these people get off the island, so the what's going to happen to them factor is lost. I know they make it home so its not scary. Who cares there is C4 all over the boat? We know which people live to make it back, NOT EXCITING! The flash forwards have ruined what was a great show.

While I wholeheartedly agree with the main thrust of your post- the FFs killing the suspense, I would ask you to re-watch the following two episodes before concluding for certain that this episode was the worst ever: Eggtown and Expose.