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*edit* sorry for the typo on the topic subject lol

...i'm thinking he means move it time-wise, not location wise. but just a guess.

Amazing. Some people predicted years ago that the island might be able to move.

Of course we don't know if he means move it through space or time or both.

If it moves through time, and space, well no wonder its hard to find!!!! What if its now in the 50's (compared to the external world).

I felt this was kind of a cop-out. Like the writers are out of ideas and they started scanning this forum for them instead. Just seems a bit too ridiculous at this point.

It would seem so...


...i'm thinking he means move it time-wise, not location wise. but just a guess.

Interesting theory...;)

Not really, if they're talking about the island's access to the world (the wormholes) instead of the island physically moving, then it makes lots of sense. If the island itself moves then where would it go? This is a big island and there's very little place on earth, so wherever it is, I think its more its access points that move.

Of course we don't know if he means move it through space or time or both.

Oh, I never thought of that either. :eek2:

Could the Island being able to move time-wise explain Adam and Eve?

this might be a question tons of you have asked before....but I'd like to still read your thoughts now after this episode :)

(thanks to the mod for repairing my typo ;))

its has gotta mean TIME wise because keamy and them are already flying over the island so even if it did physically move wouldnt they still be close enough to go with it? idk crazy stuff!

4 feet to the left, they'll never find it!!!!!!!

4 toes to the left, you mean? ;)

It HAS to be time because Keamy is already there! Right?

Well now we know why Jack spent all that time flying Oceanic for free trying to find it.

Most of you probably don't know about the old time radio program, The Magic island, someone posted it as a possible source for some of the stuff we've seen on LOST, and wouldn't you know that Magic Island could be moved as well, I think this not only suggests that TPTB did take some stuff from the radio program, but also that they have known what is going to happen from the start. Have a little faith;)

Locke did say a long time ago that nothing stays buried on this island. He wasn't kidding huh?

Okay so is this going to be big thing in the finale that is going to make us question where the show will go next season. The whole island time shifting. What does that even mean. They move back in time. People disappear off the island because they didn't exist there in that time period? New people showing up? I'm really, really confused.

Yeah, it has to be through time, for sure. We have enough evidence that people can move through time - I think Richard's appearances tonight help support that. But how in the world can they do that? Pull the whole island through the Orchid station... which is located on the island? :confused:

Didn't TPTB dismiss the theory that the island moves a long time ago? What a cheap gimmick this sounds like.

Have a little faith;)
I'm with ya. I have tons of faith. This is no last-ditch effort at backward storytelling. This was in the plan.

felt like a cheap gimmick to me too

Not really, if they're talking about the island's access to the world (the wormholes) instead of the island physically moving, then it makes lots of sense. If the island itself moves then where would it go? This is a big island and there's very little place on earth, so wherever it is, I think its more its access points that move.

I'm with you on this. I can't remember the numbers now, but remember that the number that Ben told Michael was slightly different than Daniel's heading. I think that is what is meant by moving it.

I'm with ya. I have tons of faith. This is no last-ditch effort at backward storytelling. This was in the plan.

I agree. I think this ties into the tide coming in fast in season 1. Was the island moving then? And was it moving through time too? I have faith they what they are doing.

I'm with you on this. I can't remember the numbers now, but remember that the number that Ben told Michael was slightly different than Daniel's heading. I think that is what is meant by moving it.

I think Michael was given 325, Daniel said 315 and now Gault told Sayid to use 305.

Think of all the theories as to HOW the island will be moved!!

One also has to wonder if the Island's moving is natural or human induced. I mean did they find the island like that or did they do something to it to make it special and movable.

I'm waiting for Hurley to do the Arnold stance and ask Locke "What you talking about John?"

Think of all the theories as to HOW the island will be moved!!

How on earth are they gonna do that? I mean, is it gonna be based on some kind of mystical power (like an ancient ritual) or something more scientific based (like flipping a switch from a Dharma Station?

Didn't TPTB dismiss the theory that the island moves a long time ago? What a cheap gimmick this sounds like.

I don't remember that but I think that I remember them saying in the course of answering a question about the island "If it is an island."

This explains why Widmore still couldn't find the island in the future. That part of his conversation with Ben didn't make sense to me at the time because he had the freighter right outside of the island.

One also has to wonder if the Island's moving is natural or human induced. I mean did they find the island like that or did they do something to it to make it special and movable.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were man-made. If it can be moved physically, maybe it can be submerged somehow. Maybe that's why the Temple is a safe haven - it's underground and water tight.

But I really like the idea of moving it time-wise. Don't have a clue how that would happen but I'm sure some of the geniuses on the Fuse will figure it out. :biggrin:

What if by "Move the Island" they meant through time, not space?

With Ben saying that they need a beacon to be able to find the island, I'm not surprised about this. Time or space, now that's a good question.

What if by "Move the Island" they meant through time, not space?

Ooooh, you could be onto something there. :eek2:

Welcome to the Fuse, by the way.

If Locke moves the island (however he accomplishes that), will it affect/prevent the O6 from finding it again and returning?

What if by "Move the Island" they meant through time, not space?

Hadn't thought of that. But now that I think of it, what do you mean by that? Not so much, how it would be accomplished, but what would the result be?

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*edit* sorry for the typo on the topic subject lolOf course we don't know if he means move it through space or time or both.


I jumped up and yelled, "I told ya so!" when Locke said they had to move the Island! Of course, hubby looked at me like I was nuts until I reminded him of the conversation between Ben and Charles with Ben saying, "You'll have to find it" (meaning the Island). :groove: I've been having that idea, along with a lot of our other 'Lagers, that this would be the case but I'm thrilled they've confirmed it. I like the idea of moving through time as well.

4 feet to the left, they'll never find it!!!!!!!
4 toes to the left, you mean? ;)

It HAS to be time because Keamy is already there! Right?

:rotflmao2:
Yeah, it's gonna have to happen pretty darned fast, LLaura, which makes me nervous for Sayid in the Zodiac racing towards the Island.

One also has to wonder if the Island's moving is natural or human induced. I mean did they find the island like that or did they do something to it to make it special and movable.I wouldn't be surprised if it were man-made. If it can be moved physically, maybe it can be submerged somehow. Maybe that's why the Temple is a safe haven - it's underground and water tight.

But I really like the idea of moving it time-wise. Don't have a clue how that would happen but I'm sure some of the geniuses on the Fuse will figure it out. :biggrin:


I'm sure I won't be one of those geniuses, but, as I said above, I like the idea of the Island moving in time. Seems like Hurley's gonna be the key to the O6 figuring out what to do which I think is fantastic! Jack's gonna have to get over his "Hurley's crazy" theory.

I'm waiting for Hurley to do the Arnold stance and ask Locke "What you talking about John?"

I was too, colleen! :biggrin:

Move the Island... so many space/time possibilities. It's gonna take me a while to wrap my head around a theory that will adequately explain this. :lost:

One also has to wonder if the Island's moving is natural or human induced. I mean did they find the island like that or did they do something to it to make it special and movable.

Move the Island... so many space/time possibilities. It's gonna take me a while to wrap my head around a theory that will adequately explain this. :lost:

Well hurry up before MY head explodes! :biggrin:

Guinevere, congrats!!! I knew there were a few of you that had been tossing this idea around. :clap: :clap: :clap:

If Locke moves the island (however he accomplishes that), will it affect/prevent the O6 from finding it again and returning?

I think it will absolutely have an effect on the O6's efforts to return to the island. I'm throwing my lot in with those who say the island moves through time. Or maybe it's not the island in its entirety that moves, but rather the time tunnels/channels/portals/wormholes (teseracts anyone?) that move. Maybe that's why everyone who approaches the island has to stick to strict bearings w/no deviation - there's only one way in or out at any given time. Does anyone know if the bearings (given to Michael, Lapidus, Sayid) have always been the same? Maybe the island is always in some slight motion.

Mind boggling stuff!

Well now we know why Jack spent all that time flying Oceanic for free trying to find it.

It also makes Ben's and Widmore's penthouse conversation clearer:

Widmore says the island is his, always was his, and it will be again. And Ben says "you'll never find it."

Locke, Hurley, and Ben picked it up and moved it! :D

It kind of reminds me of the musical (and film) Brigadoon:

It tells the story of a mysterious Scottish village that appears for only one day every hundred years, though to the villagers, the passing of each century seems no longer than one night. The enchantment is viewed by them as a blessing rather than a curse, for it saved the village from destruction. According to their covenant with God, no one from Brigadoon may ever leave, or the enchantment will be broken and the site and all its inhabitants will disappear into the mist forever.

Just a random thought....(and from someone who is grasping for Scully answers over Mulder answers)....
What if "move the island" doesn't mean the physical island? Maybe it's more like a....
"Hey, there's a giant tornado heading straight for our town! What do we do?"
"We move the town."
In other-words, relocate. By 'moving' the town it means you get everyone out and away from there.
How or what that would involve, I have no clue. But I'm throwing that in as another possibility.

I think it will absolutely have an effect on the O6's efforts to return to the island. I'm throwing my lot in with those who say the island moves through time. Or maybe it's not the island in its entirety that moves, but rather the time tunnels/channels/portals/wormholes (teseracts anyone?) that move. Maybe that's why everyone who approaches the island has to stick to strict bearings w/no deviation - there's only one way in or out at any given time. Does anyone know if the bearings (given to Michael, Lapidus, Sayid) have always been the same? Maybe the island is always in some slight motion.

Mind boggling stuff!

I think the bearing for all three were 305, rove. So, yeah, I think they're all the same bearings. I also think you're right about moving the Island. It will move by degrees and, maybe, that's what will also move it through time, if that comes to fruition.

Perhaps why future-Jack is so desperate...?
He feels he can't find it anymore? (Because it's no longer there- whether through time or space.)

Right, evenstar. The shame in that is, like Locke, he's not asking the right questions and doesn't even know he's not asking the right questions.

Well, one the one hand, it helps make more sense of Ben telling Charles, "you'll never find it," which didn't seem to make sense at the time, as he had already found it.

On the other hand, moving an island? However, when you consider that the space-wise relationship between the island and the rest of the world is extremely peculiar, it doesn't seem quite as strange. Actually island-space seems nearly independent of earth-space, so the only thing that needs to change is whatever wormhole-type-thing that exists out at 305 degrees that is acting as a conduit between the two.

In keeping with my unshakable faith that Vincent is the key to Lost: I believe at the critical moment, we will see him dive into the ocean, grab the submarine communication cable in his teeth, and doggie paddle like nobody's business.

S2E24 A.K.A. Henry Gale Good, then you're going to take this boat and follow a compass bearing of 325, and if you do that exactly, you and your son will find rescue.

305 this episode

Confirmed Dead
DANIEL: (carrying suitcase) Hey, Frank. Frank? (quietly) Just one thing. Just be sure that you follow the same exact bearing that we came in on. No matter what. By that, I mean no matter what. Just – just stay on it.

305 (http://tiberiankingdom.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=5110&fullsize=1) The Constant

I wonder if once you get to a certain point if you change your bearing, you change the time you enter the Island?

Could Keamy and crew get shifted back to....let's say prior to the Purge (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Purge) and Keamy and crew are really the Hostilies? Just a thought.

If Locke moves the island (however he accomplishes that), will it affect/prevent the O6 from finding it again and returning?

It has to have an effect on the Oceanic 6 finding it and returning. Maybe when the time's right, the island will avail itself to the Oceanic 6 and bring them home, but first, not without making Jack suffer to the point we saw in TTLG.

First we have Rouseeaus (sorry speeling) boat crashing on the island.... she's french I can't remember where they sailed from.

Then you have Henry Gale in his smiley Balloon.

You have Yemi crashing from where we know was Nigeria

You have Desmond crashing into it accidently

You have our Lostie's 1000 miles off course to LA crash into it.

We have Polar Bear skulls with Darma Tags in Tunisia and Ben wearing a Jacket when he lands in Tunisia(sp). clearly he was expecting somewhere else that was cold.

I think the Island has moved several times before. However, does it cause problems when it does this?

I'm throwing my lot in with those who say the island moves through time. Or maybe it's not the island in its entirety that moves, but rather the time tunnels/channels/portals/wormholes (teseracts anyone?) that move. Maybe that's why everyone who approaches the island has to stick to strict bearings w/no deviation - there's only one way in or out at any given time. Does anyone know if the bearings (given to Michael, Lapidus, Sayid) have always been the same? Maybe the island is always in some slight motion.



We need a physicist. I remember from school something about angular momentum and time and singularities (black holes) and event horizons...great now I got a headache. Perhaps the island does move in time or space, but in phase...this would explain the need for precise entry/exit angles.

Another thought on the Island moving, if it is an island and if it does indeed move, is what happens to the Alcatraz Hydra Island and the Looking Glass Station?

Could Keamy and crew get shifted back to....let's say prior to the Purge (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Purge) and Keamy and crew are really the Hostilies? Just a thought.


I would totally love that.

We need a physicist. I remember from school something about angular momentum and time and singularities (black holes) and event horizons...great now I got a headache. Perhaps the island does move in time or space, but in phase...this would explain the need for precise entry/exit angles.

Ah, that is so close to something I was going to suggest. That the island is not going to move in time or space but in tunes in and out of phase with reality.

But maybe it's something else entirely, maybe what makes the island special isn't the island itself. Maybe it's the "magic box" and Locke is going to move this "box" and leave the island for a new one and make this new island special, thus "moving the island". :biggrin:

If Locke moves the island (however he accomplishes that), will it affect/prevent the O6 from finding it again and returning?


could this also be why only 6 get off the island. after the 6 leave, the island moves,preventing further rescue

The speculative part of my brain is developing a huge theory on this.

Unfortunately, the expressive part of my brain is too tired to put into into coherenet language.

But it sorta stems from the idea that even if the island were to "only" move in space (and not in time), it would effectively move in time also anyway, due to the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff between the island and the "outside world" (as we have been shown re the freighter, helicopter etc).... and so even if the island completey moved before when Sayid's boat arrived... it could still be there when Sayid's boat arrived.... etc!!!!

I think we are in for one heck of an interesting conclusion to this season!

All of the big fans theory have been proved right...i'm definitly thinking the writers are playing with us. And i like that.

If the Island really can be moved.... i'd expect a "move" in time more over space.
Another thing, this is LOST... and NOT every literal comment has that same face value meaning ; ).
Moving the Island the Island could be as simple as camouflaging it....








"So you do speak English???!!!"

Perhaps the island becomes "unstuck" in time and moves that way. If the earth continues to rotate while the island essentially stays in the same position then when the island comes back it would be somewhere else. The only problem with this theory is that it would be on the same latitude at all times.

Actually, now that I think about it the island would probably drift North because the Earth rotates at an angle. Meh, it's probably too complicated to work.

It kind of reminds me of the musical (and film) Brigadoon:

It tells the story of a mysterious Scottish village that appears for only one day every hundred years, though to the villagers, the passing of each century seems no longer than one night. The enchantment is viewed by them as a blessing rather than a curse, for it saved the village from destruction. According to their covenant with God, no one from Brigadoon may ever leave, or the enchantment will be broken and the site and all its inhabitants will disappear into the mist forever.

Yup, there's some great lore of moving special places (villages, islands.) From www.theoi.com (http://www.theoi.com/Titan/TitanisLeto.html):

When Leto was pregant with the twins she was pursued relentlessly by the goddess Hera (http://www.theoi.com/Olympios/Hera.html), who drove her from land to land preventing her from finding a place to rest and give birth. The floating island of Delos eventually provided her with refuge. Later when she was later travelling to Delphoi, the giant Tityos (http://www.theoi.com/Gigante/GiganteTityos.html) attempted to abduct her, but Apollon intervened and slew him with arrows.

Then there's the flying island of Laputa (http://www.jaffebros.com/lee/gulliver/bk3/chap3-2.html) in Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels. The Laputans are gifted at mathematics and astronomy (i.e. symbolic of reason), but lack common sense in other areas. The island is the domain of the king, who controls his kingdom by a kind of "air superiority" over the towns below. Their women aren't particularly loyal - they always seem to want to leave for "the real world" for the towns.

Gulliver also found them prone to too much speculation; as he says:

They were indeed excellent in two Sciences for which I have great Esteem, and wherein I am not unversed; but at the same time so abstracted and involved in Speculation, that I never met with such disagreeable Companions. I conversed only with Women, Tradesmen, Flappers, and Court-Pages, during two Months of my Abode there, by which at last I rendered my self extremely contemptible; yet these were the only People from whom I could ever receive a reasonable Answer.

I had to laugh; the Laputans couldn't describe or reason through anything without the use of mathematics (The Numbers?)

We need a physicist. I remember from school something about angular momentum and time and singularities (black holes) and event horizons...great now I got a headache. Perhaps the island does move in time or space, but in phase...this would explain the need for precise entry/exit angles.

Another thought on the Island moving, if it is an island and if it does indeed move, is what happens to the Alcatraz Hydra Island and the Looking Glass Station?

It is believed that a wormhole are actually 2 blockholes that have formed together, thought I'd throw that out there. I just helped my kid do a science project on wormholes and that gave me a headache! :biggrin:

On the other hand, moving an island? However, when you consider that the space-wise relationship between the island and the rest of the world is extremely peculiar, it doesn't seem quite as strange. Actually island-space seems nearly independent of earth-space, so the only thing that needs to change is whatever wormhole-type-thing that exists out at 305 degrees that is acting as a conduit between the two.

Have to say i agree with this.

If you imagine the island being on a completely separate plain from earth, and the only thing connecting both is this "conduit", a wormhole tunnel as such, that is only accessible with the right bearing "315" or whatever it is.

Then surely to move the island all you need to do is change the bearing, effectively changing the conduit's position, or even remove the conduit completely, although i doubt they'd remove it completely as Ben comes and goes, at least I'm guessing he didn't just get a freakin' plane to Tunisia.

Now whether you can change this bearing through the orchid station, or maybe even this mythical temple we keep hearing about is very interesting, i'm hoping it's the temple, as that seems to be where the remaining others are, and one of my favourite characters Richard Alpert, who featured in this episode! (A sign of things to come maybe?).

I felt this was kind of a cop-out. Like the writers are out of ideas and they started scanning this forum for them instead. Just seems a bit too ridiculous at this point.

I disagree with you. The way I see it SOOOO many theories and answers have been written by the fans that we're bound to hit something eventually. And even with so many theories once in a while we are still surprised by TPTB.

If the Island physically moves, it would finally answer one of my big questions...how the Black Rock landed so far inland!!! The Island just came up underneath it!!

If the Island physically moves, it would finally answer one of my big questions...how the Black Rock landed so far inland!!! The Island just came up underneath it!!

Exactly!! Like the ship in the Philadelphia Experiment.
Maybe when DHARMA harnessed the energy of the island, it stopped floating around time and space. This is an old theory I posted back in 2005. Some of it is obviously off but...

THEORY

The island was a research facility from the early 20th century examining the effect of electromagnetism on light/time (Philadelphia Experiment). The entire island is made from rock that contains a high amount of metal. No wires were needed to wrap the entire island because of this. The experiment was to determine if an object could rendered invisible by bending light waves with an em field. The source of the islands transmission/em emitter is the island itself.

The experiment 'charged' the island permanently. Making it invisible when you are outside the electromagnetic field at all times (the field's size is yet to be determined, but big). In the beginning it also effected the islands position in time. The island would appear and reappear. Much like the ship in the Philadelphia experiment. The island has appeared in different times in unexpected places. So, the Black Rock was sailing normally in the 19th century and suddenly an island appeared under it. The island disappeared taking the Black Rock with it. The same happened to the smaller plane. They were flying low, smuggling drugs, and suddenly an island appears and the plane flies right into the jungle and is left hanging on the cliff. Fairly intact. The same scenario happened to the boat the Others were piloting.

The Others (and the polar bears) are descendants of the people who have been picked up through time. There are two sets. Some of them are also the scientists who were working on the project when it went wrong. They are trying to correct the problem and are the source of the whispers. Time isn't relative to them and they haven't aged as quickly. Much the way Einstein predicted that people who traveled in space would age more slowly than those left on Earth. The monster was picked up in another time also and they have tried to contain it.

eh, I tried.

I wonder how long has the island been in its current location?

Also, has anybody else tried to tie this new piece of info with the Bali Crash Site?

The moving island would also explain Yemi's plane crash on an island that was located completely opposite from where it was headed -- which was really unexplainable ... until now

If the Island can "move in time" that might explain why the doctor's corpse appeared on the island before his death on the freighter.

Oh There is no headache like a LOST headache.

There is good evidence for moving the island in space and in time. I think someone said earlier, that if it moved in space, it would affectively move in time also, even if sort of as an afterthought. I want to say it seems more logical that it could move through time instead of picking up whole island and moving it physically. But I guess, in my lifetime, I've never experienced time travel either and that isn't particularly "logical" either. My main source for thinking this is primarily in time rather than space is the man who visited Locke as a child. I can't remember his name now, sorry! but you know who I mean. Its the same man who pitted Sawyer against the real sawyer. Obviously, this man has moved in time somehow, as he hasn't aged a single freaking bit!

Maybe it doesn't travel through time. And maybe it doesn't travel through phsyically as well. I mean, moving the island? There is no science around that. You can't phsically move an island.

But you could move it if you remove it from this dimension...and place it in another. If you have a device that could create a wormhole around the island and thus...remove it phsically from the world that we know...and put it to a world we don't.

You can't move it through time. I mean..the island, for lack of a better word is a constant. A physical piece of rock that time moves over and around. Time obviously has different traits at this location than at others places. But if you move the island foward in time, or back in time, or in any direction....time is...remeber...relative. Only those who can consiously observe time experiance it. And we all experiance it differently to degrees. So it ain;t moving through time IMO.

And phsyically. Well. That ain't happening either.

So if you can't change the island. You must be changing the world that surrounds it.

And maybe thats what we are dealing with here. The reason why Jack and so many others can't find the island in the future, is that it no longer exists in the world the belong to. Maybe thats how Hanso came across the island in the first place. He was sailing along...minding his own business and POOF! The island popped up underneath him.

Locke (or whatever incarnation of Locke) going to a Dharma station and pushing a button that starts a wormhole maker and take the island to a new dimension...well...it's like Desmond leaving Penny. Destiny always makes it happen. So the question is...after Locke push's the button...the question to be answered is where the island goes? An earth where the date they percieve as time is 1894? Maybe...but I think thats already happened. An earth where man has not yet evolved? Maybe....but that's kinda weird. An earth where Jack Sheppards father never cheated on his wife? Maybe.

Who knows. But this island is gonna start Sliding IMO. Where is Jerry O'Connell when I need him.

The island moving brings me back to Faradays observation (can't remember the epi)
"The light dosen't reflect quite right" or something like that. Where is the island now that the light doesn't reflect normally? Was it moved before? And does that statement mean that there is a possiblity that the island could be moved physically???:confused:

Anybody ever read "Moving Mars"? Great novel.

But the guy who did the moving
was crazy afterwards.

If they mean the island moving physically, I guess that could explain why a tiny plane from Nigeria crash-lands on an island which is (now) in the Pacific, thousands ofmiles away?

But yeah, I remember the "moving island" theories date all the way back to season one!

The island is gonna be moved to a cold place.....

Imagine the last two seasons of Lost on an frozen island!!!

Whoever has played the videogame Crysis knows what I mean!!!!

I'm confused about the time line but I may have blanked out at a critical point last night. Didn't we see the helicopter already or arrive back at the island or at least over it? How much time did we see pass in the episode? I thought there were two separate periods of darkness but I'm not sure.

wait wait wait.... remember the Black Rock? It wasn't an actual rock. MAYBE, the island that Locke has been told to move is something a little less literal. ya think?

Maybe it doesn't travel through time. And maybe it doesn't travel through phsyically as well. I mean, moving the island? There is no science around that. You can't phsically move an island.

But you could move it if you remove it from this dimension...and place it in another. If you have a device that could create a wormhole around the island and thus...remove it phsically from the world that we know...and put it to a world we don't.


Wait... The island can't move through space or time because there is no science around that yet you'd be fine with moving it to an alternate dimension?

The comic that Alpert showed little John had a floating cloud city above a real city. Looked like it could be moved.

the island can only be reached by strictly following certain compass bearings, right? Remember Sayid, in season one, observing that the compass was showing different bearings that those he could observe from the sun's position? So maybe the island magnetic properties can change compass bearings. THe island is slightly dislocated in space. But activating whatever something we still don't know, they could change the compass headings, making the island unfindable and unreachable. Metaphorically moving it.

Wait... The island can't move through space or time because there is no science around that yet you'd be fine with moving it to an alternate dimension?

yup.

considering the science behind it is on the front page of CNN.com today...

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/05/09/physics.nima/index.html

BTW...just as a, well, sidenote. If stringtheory is in play here, and there are in fact 11 dimentions, with Width, Legnth, Height, and Time (4) being the 4 that we experiance...maybe the valenzetti equation..twhile looking to looking to change 1 number...ISN"T looking to actually change one of the existing numbers, but to change one number to add to the numbers.

4815162542. = 10 numbers. One for each dimension, with the final one still up in the air. With 4 representing "our" dimension, the one where we understand as a starting point...maybe the equation is actually a roadmap for how to get back to the original point of the story/timeline/dimension.

Again...Mr. O'Connell...where ARE you.

I think with the oceanic 6 flash forward being in the future i believe that if/when they return to the island it will be in the same time frame as when they left the island.This is due to the island being "moved" to the future and that is the reason why jack "needs" to go back to the island.Only a thought!

yup.

considering the science behind it is on the front page of CNN.com today...



and Albert Einstein's theory of relativity suggests that time travel is possible.

It's just a TV show.

Did anyone else make a connection between the doctor washing up on shore, Ben jump to the Sahara dessert in 2005 and the island moving? The barrier around the island has "time travel" properties. What if moving the island somehow sends Ben to the future (he is wearing the Dharma jacket in the dessert)?

Of course we don't know if he means move it through space or time or both.

i'll go with both...the comic book that Locke is shown would certainly say 'move thru space', but it seems to show a double city flying around. the old flash comic from S1 seemed to show a island city encased in a dome in the arctic. could that be coming true?

Heres my theory

To move the island requires submersion
Which explains the Black Rock being in the middle of the island (it rised beneath it)
Widmore wants the ship log to find the island as he knows the black rock is on it somehow, and plots to get the island back by brute force.
This episode, John is told to move the island.
Claire's baby and the oceanic 6 will be rescued and Claire drowns with the rest of the island.
Before this happens there's a ruckus as john realises what moving the island means (death for everyone, apart from ben who plans to get off)
Ben tries to go to north pole (another location the island has been, hence the polar bear) expecting the island to appear there and get locke killed in the process, thus saving the island and killing john and everyone on it,
Ben teleports out to tunisia by chance or accident, where he has a cut wound from locke.
Everyone on the island dies apart from the oceanic 6, and there are more newcomers when the island pops up again.
Ben somehow gets back to the island or concentrates on killing everyone trying to find the island meanwhile.Locke is about to unwittingly make a big mistake methinks (making the island move). There is also a probability that lock manages to portal out in time, perhaps even to the northpole where ben was trying to go to meet the island

Heres my theory
To move the island requires submersion
Which explains the Black Rock being in the middle of the island (it rised beneath it)
Widmore wants the ship log to find the island as he knows the black rock is on it somehow, and plots to get the island back by brute force.
This episode, John is told to move the island.
Claire's baby and the oceanic 6 will be rescued and Claire drowns with the rest of the island.
Before this happens there's a ruckus as john realises what moving the island means (death for everyone, apart from ben who plans to get off)
Ben tries to go to north pole (another location the island has been, hence the polar bear) expecting the island to appear there and get locke killed in the process, thus saving the island and killing john and everyone on it,
Ben teleports out to tunisia by chance or accident, where he has a cut wound from locke.
Everyone on the island dies apart from the oceanic 6, and there are more newcomers when the island pops up again.
Ben somehow gets back to the island or concentrates on killing everyone trying to find the island meanwhile.Locke is about to unwittingly make a big mistake methinks (making the island move). There is also a probability that lock manages to portal out in time, perhaps even to the northpole where ben was trying to go to meet the island

I really like this theory............but....
What about Sawyer's mention the other night? About staying in the island? I mean he's alive in the island still right? Or are we still in the dark about that?

Bad theory, that's all... None of it will happen, or, if we're sticking to what we know, has any substantiality to it... It would be such an unnecessary stretch, and then people are alive on the Island in the future, which is why Jack has to go back, Benjamin is meddling around the Island, but he didn't kill them apparently, he is working with Sayid to protect them (or at least to get them to leave the Island)... the polar bears were there for different reasons as well...Unless you think Tunisia is in North Pole.

I really like this theory............but....
What about Sawyer's mention the other night? About staying in the island? I mean he's alive in the island still right? Or are we still in the dark about that?

not sure, but another thing, that guy pushing locke in the wheelchair, he said "when youre ready locke, you'll listen to what im saying, and then, when me and you run into each other again, you'll owe me one"

this straight after the scene when ben realises he is no longer the chosen one and tells locke that hell understand soon that there are consequences to being chosen. Later on in the episode he makes the choice to ask christian how to save the island..

i think that he will save the island, but at the same time hell be sacrificing the people on it.

sorbo1980,
I think you're onto something. The doctor washes up on shore dead before he is actually killed on the freighter. I think the island is moved forward in time to escape Keamy and that is why the discrepancy with the doctor arises. (or maybe backwards - I can't quite figure out this time travel stuff. I definitely think though the reference to moving the island is to moving it through time.)

the polar bears were there for different reasons as well...Unless you think Tunisia is in North Pole.

what if the island popped up under an iceberg and thats how the polar bear got on it before

ben could teleport from the island to tunisia, whats stopping a bear doing the same?

S2E24 A.K.A. Henry Gale Good, then you're going to take this boat and follow a compass bearing of 325, and if you do that exactly, you and your son will find rescue.

305 this episode

Confirmed Dead
DANIEL: (carrying suitcase) Hey, Frank. Frank? (quietly) Just one thing. Just be sure that you follow the same exact bearing that we came in on. No matter what. By that, I mean no matter what. Just – just stay on it.

305 (http://tiberiankingdom.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=5110&fullsize=1) The Constant

I wonder if once you get to a certain point if you change your bearing, you change the time you enter the Island?

Could Keamy and crew get shifted back to....let's say prior to the Purge (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Purge) and Keamy and crew are really the Hostilies? Just a thought.

That's a great shout :)

Sky's The LOST Initiative podcast theorised this last year that the island moves. Can't remember they came to that conclusion though but they hit the nail on the head all the same!!

I don't remember that but I think that I remember them saying in the course of answering a question about the island "If it is an island."

Heh, weddo....your post reminds me of the picket sign that Carlon used during the strike, it read:

"Do you want to know what the island is?"

The island is not gonna be 'moved' in the literal meaning of the word. I mean, they are not gonna 'row' the island. Whatever they are gonna do will involved quantum physics.

The island is gonna move through HYPERSPACE.

If it moves in time then it would still be able to be found which I think is the main goal of the widmore team. If it moves in space/location and is not in the same location then it would make it that much harder for the widmore team to find it. While I do find that time does play an important role in things I also think that space/location also plays an equal important role as well.
Different tools for different jobs.
"Only fools are enslaved by TIME and SPACE"
Just my take on things.

Yes, if its moving something physically then I think its a shifting of the portal that reaches the island. I like the time theory though....beats the thought of Sayid towing it to antartica in the Zodiac.

Seaquelost, I missed that about the picket sign but I definitely think we should be focusing our theorizing on a "structure" ---- can't get the word I really want here --- that isn't an island in the first place.

That's no island! It's a space station!
100%
This adds up more and more with each episode . . .

http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/

The thing is, the creators said the island does not move, if it is an island

They also said there would not be time travel.

...

Could Keamy and crew get shifted back to....let's say prior to the Purge (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/The_Purge) and Keamy and crew are really the Hostilies?

Sweet!

That's no island! It's a space station!
100%
This adds up more and more with each episode . . .

http://mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com/

The thing is, the creators said the island does not move, if it is an island

They also said there would not be time travel.

That mirror matter theory gives me a headache so I haven't read it all. If true, does it mean our moon can't be seen by the Losties?, because I don't think the moon has ever been shown in the night sky over the "island".

Yes it has. I've been keeping track but the phases are off

Fire & Water 3/4 moon
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1850221&highlight=moon#post1850221

Adrift Full Moon
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1846557&highlight=moon#post1846557

Yes it has. I've been keeping track but the phases are off

Fire & Water 3/4 moon
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1850221&highlight=moon#post1850221

Adrift Full Moon
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1846557&highlight=moon#post1846557

Holy cow. It took you only 10 minutes to come up with that? You're a bigger lost junkie than I am:biggrin:

It's easy to search your own posts when you know a key word.

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=613988&highlight=moon#post613988
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=694201&highlight=moon#post694201

We've said there was a time gap for a long time, it wasn't until this season we got any real information for time travel. We did have pieces.
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=449751&highlight=moon#post449751

We've said there was a time gap for a long time, it wasn't until this season we got any real information for time travel. We did have pieces.
http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=449751&highlight=moon#post449751
I love when I see your ideas from 2-3 years ago are being vindicated. Amazing, as always. It's also useful when talking to those in the "making it up as they go along" camp.

CyVader, The mirror matter theory makes a lot of sense to me although I can't claim to have understood all of it. Is it yours? I can't tell from the link. In any event, bravo.

I love when I see your ideas from 2-3 years ago are being vindicated. Amazing, as always. It's also useful when talking to those in the "making it up as they go along" camp.I think there are a bunch of us in that boat, happy that things we observed are finally panning out.