They showed it specifically twice in this episode. Anyone know what it was?

I'd say it probably has some significance, whatever it is.

Looked like a Sirius radio. Maybe Keamy's a Wack Packer.

I have no idea. I want to say bomb but that just doesn't seem right. I think it has something to do with where Ben is going to be hiding.

I didn't get a good look.. did he have stuff strapped to his body and arms both?

My guess is it's some sort of remote detonator and that the ship is wired with explosives.

Keamy seems to have lost his freaking mind at this point, so that doesn't seem out of the realm of possible things he'd do.

Keamy said he was suppose to torch the island. I was thinking that it controlls some sort of bomb or something that can do serious damage located on the island.

Keamy seems to have lost his freaking mind at this point, so that doesn't seem out of the realm of possible things he'd do.
That's suggesting he ever had it.:biggrin:
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest it was some kind of personal shield type thing, I know it's crazy, almost as crazy as...... a seemingly intelligent cloud of black smoke, oh wait.;)

Yeah cuz didn't the captain ALSO shoot at Keamy in that scene? And NO ONE was hit? perhaps it is some sort of shield generator, hmm looks like he's goin Super-Rambo on these islanders

I'll go look at it closer, but could it maybe be an EMF detector or some type detector so this time he'll know if Smokey is comin' out to play?...(<>..<>)

The captain shot wildly after he was hit, he would have had to be pretty accurate to hit any of the group by the chopper considering he wasn't looking and had just been slammed in the chest by a bullet.

The captain certainly didn't know what the thing was, no one seemed to, so I would suggest it's nothing obvious, unless it is an MP3 player.

I think its some sort of locater. Keamy said the secondary protocol told him where Ben was going. So, he knows that the island is about to "move". So, that will allow Keamy to be found once the island moves.

First I was like "suicide attack"? but it was not a bomb. It looked like a little camera or sensor. Bizarre.

I don't have a clue, but I'd swap places with it in a heartbeat...

I thought it was some deadman's switch. That blows up if he should die. He seems the type to take everyone with him if he should die.

My guess is it's some sort of remote detonator and that the ship is wired with explosives.

Keamy seems to have lost his freaking mind at this point, so that doesn't seem out of the realm of possible things he'd do.

I think you probably have the right idea, beema. If it's not the ship that wired, it's places on the Island??
I can't imagine why Keamy has gone so nuts. Merceneries don't normally do that. I think Gault was right about him getting sick. It's just manifested differently.

I think its some sort of locater. Keamy said the secondary protocol told him where Ben was going. So, he knows that the island is about to "move". So, that will allow Keamy to be found once the island moves.

Interesting theory, but then why would he hold it up as a threat?

I'll go look at it closer, but could it maybe be an EMF detector or some type detector so this time he'll know if Smokey is comin' out to play?...(<>..<>)

That's my guess. Keamy seems pretty filled in. Whatever he strapped to his arm was a device to negate any advantage Ben has (i.e. Cerberus).

For some reason I'm thinking it's a sort of sonic device, like the sonic shield-walls dotting the border around New Otherton...

Maybe he figured out that Smokey doesn't like sonic barriers..?

I don't have a clue, but I'd swap places with it in a heartbeat...

You sure about that? I'm betting he's not bathed in at least a few days, pretty stinky under there :D

I am at a loss for what that could have been. If it's something like a locator, it just seems like a very odd place to put it. Why not in his pocket? Why was Omar (?) having to strap it on for him? The arm bands that Ipods go in are pretty low tech, doesn't take a team of experts to strap you in :confused:

I'm going with deadman's switch/remote detonator. Whatever he plans on "torching" the island with is probably controlled by that device. I would assume that the mercs were loading explosives on the chopper, and if Keamy were to be killed, they would detonate, killing everyone on the freighter.

Interesting theory, but then why would he hold it up as a threat?
It absolutely appeared that he used it as a threat!

I would agree with remote to blow the ship.

Definitely something he thought the Captain would fear, but what an odd location, under his arm...... Lots of friction, arm moving back and forth would seem to me it would expose the device to prolonged stress.....

My first thought was an anti-smoky device, but when he threatened the captain with it I was confused.

I have no idea, but I volunteer to find out. ;)

I have no idea, but I volunteer to find out. ;)

oh lord :rolleyes:

If it was just some locator or scanner or something, he wouldn't need to strap it to himself. There must some significance to it touching his body, the obvious answer being the killswitch thing.

It absolutely appeared that he used it as a threat!

And the person you quoted asked WHY he would use it as a threat?

I think they loaded some explosives onto the chopper and if Keamy dies that device will set them off. I think he needed someone else to attach it because it might monitor his heart rate and would have to be positioned correctly. Maybe.

^^ Yeah I think that must be it now. It's a remote detonator as I theorized, but the reason it's strapped to his body in such a way is b/c it is tied to his life: if he dies, something goes BOOM! Must be a heart monitor or something, as you said.

Yeah cuz didn't the captain ALSO shoot at Keamy in that scene? And NO ONE was hit? perhaps it is some sort of shield generator, hmm looks like he's goin Super-Rambo on these islanders

Hmmm, you know I was going to go with it being a detonator of some sort, but now that you mention it a shield generator would explain how Keamy and the rest of his men (well, except for the schmuck who got his guts ripped out :eek: ) survived Smokie.

I have no idea, but I volunteer to find out. ;)
Oh good, there's two of us.
I'm willing to share...
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^but the reason it's strapped to his body in such a way is b/c it is tied to his life: if he dies, something goes BOOM! Must be a heart monitor or something, as you said.
naahh, it's strapped to this body that way because TPTB has enough sense to exploit a good thing.

I also think it's a dead man's switch, tied into his heart rate that will blow the Freighter should he die.

Mp3 player

Oh good, there's two of us.
I'm willing to share...

Cool, I'll share. Honestly, his body is to die for. I'm sure he knows that, and we are not
the only 2 that think so. ;)

I think it's a detonator set to his vital signs so if he dies the ship explodes leaving no evidence they were ever there.

It looked like a Sirius satellite radio. I think he wants to listen to Sirius 32, Grateful Dead Radio, while he's on the island. Or maybe the Neil Diamond Station (Sirius 3).

It's clearly an ASD (Anti Smokey Device). Probably a mini sonic device (like the fence, but portable).

Deadman switch for something. Heart rate monitor was being strapped around him by Omar.

then why would he show it to the captain and say "you sure you want to do this"
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It's clearly an ASD (Anti Smokey Device). Probably a mini sonic device (like the fence, but portable).

then why show it to the captain in a threatening manner.

I agree it's a heart rate monitor on his chest so if he dies something triggers the arm thing, but I don't know how something that small could be an explosive device. Or if it's a positional beeper, why Gault would fear it. It's just like these writers to screw us up like this.

It might or might not be a deadman bomb. The point of Keamy displaying it was to distract Gault just long enough that he could be taken out.

I like MacTown's explanation best.

Although personally I think it's an indestructible cassette player which will blare Billy Ray Cyrus's greatest hits on a constant loop if anything happens to Keamy. That would give anyone pause.

I agree it's a heart rate monitor on his chest so if he dies something triggers the arm thing, but I don't know how something that small could be an explosive device. Or if it's a positional beeper, why Gault would fear it. It's just like these writers to screw us up like this.

The arm thing itself wouldn't explode - it would be a remote trigger for a real bomb hidden somewhere else (on the freighter?)

I thought that it was like some anit-Smokey device, too, but reading the theories about it being a bomb thingy seem more realistic (if that's the right word in this case...lol)...

I like MacTown's explanation best.

Although personally I think it's an indestructible cassette player which will blare Billy Ray Cyrus's greatest hits on a constant loop if anything happens to Keamy. That would give anyone pause.

<shudder> What a frightening thought.

Like it has been said: it monitors his heart rate to trigger a bomb if he dies. The bomb is, of course, on the freighter...

Who cares what it is...as long as we see Keamy's arm on the screen. ;) :biggrin:

How would that hurt the island if the bomb is on the freighter? Nuke?

There's already a multiple-page thread on this topic. Where are the mods...

beema...the Mods can't be everywhere, all the time. You can report the post/thread to be merged.

<<< Going off to think about Keamy's arm (not what is on it)... ;)

I agree on the heart rate monitor part. But I think it is a transmitter that will get a message to Widmore that his mission has failed.

It's a time/space-travel doohickey, that will be activated in the Orchid....
he put it on after he read the Orchid protocol....
and he's going after Ben...
and Ben goes to Tunisia...
and wakes up with an upper arm problem...

Keamy's the Terminator.

It may have some communication function, as in if the captain killed Keamy, Widmore would know the mission failed... who knows, we dont even know how Widmore got all these guys to help.. it may have been blackmail.

It seems though that no matter what it is, it is tied to Keamy's life, heart rate, whatever.

For some reason I'm thinking it's a sort of sonic device, like the sonic shield-walls dotting the border around New Otherton...

Maybe he figured out that Smokey doesn't like sonic barriers..?


thats what i'm thinking....a sort of personal sonic barrier. it'd make a great scene for smokie and Keamy to stare each down.

I also think it's a dead man's switch, tied into his heart rate that will blow the Freighter should he die.

Totally agree. That's why he threatened the Capt. with it. It would be for convincing the Losties that they cannot kill him, or they will never be able to get on the freighter. It reminded me of the 'doomsday' bomb the "Predator" had on his arm.

"Rumours" on DarkUFO had talked about Keamy having an 'anti-smokie' sonic device, but that has not appeared in either Keamy episode, and does not appear to exist.

It's a metronome.

Time is relative on the Island, relative to perception, to one's own internal sense of time. Keamy's metronome could be used to change his own perception of Time... and give him the power to be on the Island at a different pace than everyone else. Specifically, he'll be much faster than everyone else. Dangerous and scary!

Kinda like that Star Trek episode, Wink Of An Eye.

i thought it was a camera, maybe he wanted to go into smokey and take a pic

Definitely some sort of killswitch that will protect him from Ben or whoever else on the island if they try killing him.

I thought it was some deadman's switch. That blows up if he should die. He seems the type to take everyone with him if he should die.

Exactly what i was thinking!

Keamy’s device is a Korg Digital Metronome:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn44/lostscreencap/keamy.jpg

http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_prod_no=MA30&category_id=5

The MA-30 is the latest offering from Korg’s innovative line of metronomes, with new features like volume control and sophisticated rhythms such as triplets and quadruplets with inner beats omitted.

• Highly visual liquid crystal pendulum
• 13 different rhythms are built-in so you can practice to more than a click track
• Rhythms include duplets, triplets, triplets with inner beats omitted, quadruplets, and quadruplets with inner beats omitted
• Twelve reference pitches C4 -B4 for you to tune to
• Adjustable calibration (438-445 Hz)
• Adjustable volume
• Tempo adjusts from 40-208 bpm
• Tap function for setting the tempo
• Earphone jack so only you can hear it
• Memory backup function
• Approximately 250 hours of continuous use
• Dimensions: 4.09(W) x 2.52(D)x 0.59 (H) in.
• Weight .17 lbs. (including batteries)

The writers specifically made it clear that if the captain had shot him, some kind of consequence would fall upon him.

He said, you don't wanna do that and pointed to it..

Whatever it is would cause suffering to the captain, think about that. either the ship is wired (causing suffering), or he is a walking bomb (causing suffering), whatever it is there can't really be any alternative..

Yeah... but it's highly modified. Very dangerous.

I am going to be forced to re-watch this epi...IMO it was the absolute worst LOST epi EVER...but I will devotedly subject myself to re-watching...the payoff will be the analysis of whatever the heck it was on Keamy's arm. :) Thank you, LOST Gods, for giving Keamy screentime in this epi. ;) And please...fire Elizabeth Sarnoff.

How would that hurt the island if the bomb is on the freighter? Nuke?

Well, remember, Keamy only got this put on after he read the "Secondary Protocol". Secondary protocols usually throw caution to the wind, so if the mission fails, nothing terrible will come from the failure. So, by having the the switch set up to blow the freighter if Keamy dies (and Ben et al win), he's preventing the Losites (and Ben) from gaining control of the Freighter which presumably belongs to Widmore. That way the Freighter doesn't get into the enemies hands. Being a kill switch also explains why Keamy used it as a threat to the Captain.It's a kill switch directed by the Secondary Protocol.
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I am going to be forced to re-watch this epi...IMO it was the absolute worst LOST epi EVER...but I will devotedly subject myself to re-watching...the payoff will be the analysis of whatever the heck it was on Keamy's arm. :) Thank you, LOST Gods, for giving Keamy screentime in this epi. ;) And please...fire Elizabeth Sarnoff.

LOL Tabby, don't be shy, tell us how you really feel!:biggrin:

Keamy’s device is a Korg Digital Metronome[/FONT][/SIZE]


While though similar it is not a metronome. It is a heart monotoring device
and it is placed directly over a major artery in the arm,keamy is not so much the bomb, as he is the detnator for the bomb.

LOL Tabby, don't be shy, tell us how you really feel!:biggrin:
;) Shwew...that was catharctic...maybe I will love this epi after a re-watching. ;)

Well, remember, Keamy only got this put on after he read the "Secondary Protocol". Secondary protocols usually throw caution to the wind, so if the mission fails, nothing terrible will come from the failure. So, by having the the switch set up to blow the freighter if Keamy dies (and Ben et al win), he's preventing the Losites (and Ben) from gaining control of the Freighter which presumably belongs to Widmore. That way the Freighter doesn't get into the enemies hands. Being a kill switch also explains why Keamy used it as a threat to the Captain.It's a kill switch directed by the Secondary Protocol.
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killing keamy on the freighter would result in the destruction of the freighter, but destorying the freighter is not the secondary protocol ,the secondary is to "burn the island" there is nothing of value on the freighter it is just the base of opperations for keamy and his group,
so widmore could care less about the freighter.what widmore wants is on the island(ben) and if he can't have it then he will destory it.

killing keamy on the freighter would result in the destruction of the freighter, but destorying the freighter is not the secondary protocol ,the secondary is to "burn the island" there is nothing of value on the freighter it is just the base of opperations for keamy and his group,
so widmore could care less about the freighter.what widmore wants is on the island(ben) and if he can't have it then he will destory it.

How do we know there isn't anything of value on the Freighter? We already know the black box from Oceanic 815 is on there, what else may they have on there? If Ben got access of the Freighter, he would now have the Black Box and whetever else is on there. I don't think Widmore wants that. If I were Widmore, I wouldn't want Ben getting access to my Freighter, so I'd blow it up.

I Just Think We Can't Guess What It Is, If The Captain Doesn't Know Then Safe To Say We Shouldn't Know Yet..

Well, remember, Keamy only got this put on after he read the "Secondary Protocol". Secondary protocols usually throw caution to the wind, so if the mission fails, nothing terrible will come from the failure. So, by having the the switch set up to blow the freighter if Keamy dies (and Ben et al win), he's preventing the Losites (and Ben) from gaining control of the Freighter which presumably belongs to Widmore. That way the Freighter doesn't get into the enemies hands. Being a kill switch also explains why Keamy used it as a threat to the Captain.It's a kill switch directed by the Secondary Protocol.
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LOL Tabby, don't be shy, tell us how you really feel!:biggrin:

That would mean that Desmond would be in real trouble...hmmm...as for TabbyRasa, you're killing me with these Keamy allusions, but it is funny. :)

I think it is a timekeeper which allows his body to keep in rhythm with the time on the freighter so he doesn't get sick.

It is a Portable Sonic Smokinator

Keamy just used it as a way to get the capt'n to look around and say "What's That" so Keamy could shot him. Keamy could have held up his arm and showed Capt'n a watch and said I dont think you want to do that, and would have probably got the same reaction..

GAULT: I fixed your gun. Now stand down, Martin, or I will fire.
KEAMY: I don't think you want do that, Captain.
GAULT: What's that on his arm? What's that on his arm?
(Grunts)
(KEAMY shoots GAULT)

Hmm whats the odds that the island of the future has Locke as the leader with Keamy and Sawyer as his 2 lieutenants and Ben as his superspy / assassin type off the island.

They showed it specifically twice in this episode. Anyone know what it was?

I'd say it probably has some significance, whatever it is.

I think Keamy is ready to go Predator

it looked like a guitar tuner.

I watched the epi a second time, and the only good thing about it was Keamy...and Frank...and Des...and Sayid. Oh no...it may be worthy of a 3rd viewing for those 4 reasons. :redface: Too late, though...I already posted more than once in the "Didn't Love It" thread. ;)

It is a Portable Sonic Smokinator

Keamy just used it as a way to get the capt'n to look around and say "What's That" so Keamy could shot him. Keamy could have held up his arm and showed Capt'n a watch and said I dont think you want to do that, and would have probably got the same reaction..

GAULT: I fixed your gun. Now stand down, Martin, or I will fire.
KEAMY: I don't think you want do that, Captain.
GAULT: What's that on his arm? What's that on his arm?
(Grunts)
(KEAMY shoots GAULT)

I really did think it was a sonic device. Mostly because Sayid said whatever had happened to that man wouldn't happen again or something like that. I figured it was a heads up that these guys had some sort of defense against it. A high-tech dog whistle.

I am going to be forced to re-watch this epi...IMO it was the absolute worst LOST epi EVER...but I will devotedly subject myself to re-watching...the payoff will be the analysis of whatever the heck it was on Keamy's arm. :) Thank you, LOST Gods, for giving Keamy screentime in this epi. ;) And please...fire Elizabeth Sarnoff.

worst? fire + water anyone?

But I do agree that they need to stop letting Sarnoff and Kim writing episodes. Kitsis and Horowitz are OK- good for hurley eps, but not so much mythology driven eppys. If it was my show, id let Brian K. Vaugn write ALL the episodes. The way he ended Y The Last Man gives me HIGH hopes that Lost will have the same cathartic effect.

Went off course here. So I will reiterate that it's a guitar tuner.

worst? fire + water anyone?

But I do agree that they need to stop letting Sarnoff and Kim writing episodes. Kitsis and Horowitz are OK- good for hurley eps, but not so much mythology driven eppys. If it was my show, id let Brian K. Vaugn write ALL the episodes. The way he ended Y The Last Man gives me HIGH hopes that Lost will have the same cathartic effect.

Went off course here. So I will reiterate that it's a guitar tuner.
Well, I loved "Fire + Water".

I used to marvel at all the criticism of Sarnoff and Kim's writing, but after last night, I am becoming one of the believers. The epi was so bad that I doubt that I will read the transcript. Who would have thunk it was possible to fall for a mercenary? Let alone that a mercenary could bring out the fangirl in me?

Guitar tuner...hehehe.

Well, it's got an antenna, so its made to either send or recieve a stream of EMR (light, radio, x- or gamma ray). Not, I might note, sound waves. So, that eliminates the anti-Smokey device as a possibility.

It is on the under arm between bicep and tricep, right where the brachial artery runs. This is a major artery - severing it can lead to death in minutes. This lends credibility to the heart monitor theory. Plus, he did use it as a threat, so it is probably monitoring vitals with the intention of a deadman switch, not as a measure against time-displacement disease.

However, when they discovered Omar strapping it to Keamy, Keamy seemed to let the view linger, make sure that he was seen with it on. That makes be think it is a ruse - meant to imply that it is a deadman switch while it might simply be...

...a metronome or an MP3 player.

Well, it's got an antenna, so its made to either send or recieve a stream of EMR (light, radio, x- or gamma ray). Not, I might note, sound waves. So, that eliminates the anti-Smokey device as a possibility.

It is on the under arm between bicep and tricep, right where the brachial artery runs. This is a major artery - severing it can lead to death in minutes. This lends credibility to the heart monitor theory. Plus, he did use it as a threat, so it is probably monitoring vitals with the intention of a deadman switch, not as a measure against time-displacement disease.

However, when they discovered Omar strapping it to Keamy, Keamy seemed to let the view linger, make sure that he was seen with it on. That makes be think it is a ruse - meant to imply that it is a deadman switch while it might simply be...

...a metronome or an MP3 player.
LOL.

I still volunteer to take the risk of making a close inspection to find out. ;)

I thought it was some kind of monster repellent.

worst? fire + water anyone?

But I do agree that they need to stop letting Sarnoff and Kim writing episodes. Kitsis and Horowitz are OK- good for hurley eps, but not so much mythology driven eppys. If it was my show, id let Brian K. Vaugn write ALL the episodes. The way he ended Y The Last Man gives me HIGH hopes that Lost will have the same cathartic effect.

Went off course here. So I will reiterate that it's a guitar tuner.

David Fury wrote Numbers, my favorite Hurley ep, and Solitary, with that awesome Danielle debut. I'd like to think if he were back, Keamy would die in one of her booby traps and give us some nice poetic justice.

That was a jazzed up Korg guitar tuner and a heart rate monitor Keamy had on. I guess he wanted to find out what note his heart was beating at:cool:

David Fury wrote Numbers, my favorite Hurley ep, and Solitary, with that awesome Danielle debut. I'd like to think if he were back, Keamy would die in one of her booby traps and give us some nice poetic justice.

That was a jazzed up Korg guitar tuner and a heart rate monitor Keamy had on. I guess he wanted to find out what note his heart was beating at:cool:

AHA! It really is! I have that tuner. I just went to check, and they just added some cool little lights on it to make it look cooler. Creative thinking from the prop department

David Fury wrote Numbers, my favorite Hurley ep, and Solitary, with that awesome Danielle debut. I'd like to think if he were back, Keamy would die in one of her booby traps and give us some nice poetic justice.

That was a jazzed up Korg guitar tuner and a heart rate monitor Keamy had on. I guess he wanted to find out what note his heart was beating at:cool:
I want to know what note he was on.
AHA! It really is! I have that tuner. I just went to check, and they just added some cool little lights on it to make it look cooler. Creative thinking from the prop department
You guys are cracking me up...

But I don't want Keamy to die.
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And, Billy, that is a fascinating thought...that Keamy has a heart to monitor. ;)

I'm pretty sure that what he had was a remote detonator for the tanks of Napalm or whatever was loaded on the chopper to aid in the "torching" of the island. I think it's hooked to his heartbeat because it wouldn't need to be strapped around his chest for any other reason. Basically, if he goes, they all go.

I thought it was some deadman's switch. That blows up if he should die. He seems the type to take everyone with him if he should die.


I agree with this. He didn't want anyone to see him being fitted with it. If he dies then
something bad happens.

http://philip9876.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/nuclear-explosion.jpg

I thought it was some deadman's switch. That blows up if he should die. He seems the type to take everyone with him if he should die.

This was my thought too. It will detonate the ammo they loaded into the 'copter. Should their mission fail the ammo will still detonate. This is why they strapped it to him...so they are one unit.

Keamy’s device is a Korg Digital Metronome:

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn44/lostscreencap/keamy.jpg

Not only is it a Korg Metronome, but it is running when he has his arm up. In the high-def version you can see the little arm graphic swinging back and forth. But since it's upside-down, instead of looking like a metronome, it looks like some kind of radar scanner.

So yeah, that sort of takes the magic out of it, but so what is it SUPPOSED to be? I can only suppose that that display is meant to be, like I said, something like a radar scan. So I guess it would make sense that it is some kind of shield device. Maybe it evaporated the bullet Gault fired when it detected it approaching.

I also think it is somehow Anti-Smokie.... But I did have to look at the screencaps and I did see whatever it is that is around his chest. "Dead Mans Switch" Ok so where is the bomb. That little thing is not big enough to do massive amounts of damage, sure it would kill Keamy and whomever is near him... but I don't think Keamy would be happy with that. Does he have massive amounts of explosive taped around his body?? What would happend to it if he was shot or if Smokey threw him around?? (dont know about explosives so really not sure)

So I still think whatever is on his arm is Anti-Smokie... but then what the heck is strapped around his chest??

Why would it be a bomb detonator? Logically, why would they use what could potentially have endless plot device uses as a meagre bomb detonator?

Given this was afterall a mythology episode, I'm going to go for an amulet of some kind that keeps its wearer out of harms way, specifically Smokie's way.

When Sayid says along the lines of they won't go back to the Island without being prepared for whatever it was that killed one of their men (i.e. smokie), we can be sure that they will be going with something (either a physical piece of equipment or a piece of mental knowledge) that will neutralise the unknown threat. I can only see Keamy's new body straps as being this neutraliser of sorts.

When Sayid says along the lines of they won't go back to the Island without being prepared for whatever it was that killed one of their men (i.e. smokie), we can be sure that they will be going with something (either a physical piece of equipment or a piece of mental knowledge) that will neutralise the unknown threat. I can only see Keamy's new body straps as being this neutraliser of sorts.

Yeah. Well, if the metronome doesn't work, maybe in the next ep, he'll strap one of these babies to his head:

http://www.asseenontvguys.com/ProductImages/ionic_smokeless_ashtray.jpg

"Smoke is broken down into minute, negatively charged particles which are then captured by the positively charged stainless steel lining of the dome."
Sweet!

Not only is it a Korg Metronome, but it is running when he has his arm up. In the high-def version you can see the little arm graphic swinging back and forth. But since it's upside-down, instead of looking like a metronome, it looks like some kind of radar scanner.

So yeah, that sort of takes the magic out of it, but so what is it SUPPOSED to be? I can only suppose that that display is meant to be, like I said, something like a radar scan. So I guess it would make sense that it is some kind of shield device. Maybe it evaporated the bullet Gault fired when it detected it approaching.

Hmmm, nice thought! I was wondering about the bullet that the Captain fired. When he turned around to ask someone what was on Keamy's arm, he didn't seem to move his arm that much. When I first saw the Captain was shot and that he had gotten a shot off too, I was wondering who he had shot. But since we didn't see anyone shot, I just figured he missed and that his aim was off. But your thinking is a good idea!

Hmmm, nice thought! I was wondering about the bullet that the Captain fired. When he turned around to ask someone what was on Keamy's arm, he didn't seem to move his arm that much. When I first saw the Captain was shot and that he had gotten a shot off too, I was wondering who he had shot. But since we didn't see anyone shot, I just figured he missed and that his aim was off. But your thinking is a good idea!

I completely missed Capt'n getting a shot off..... I am going to have to rethink a couple of things.....

How do we know there isn't anything of value on the Freighter? We already know the black box from Oceanic 815 is on there, what else may they have on there? If Ben got access of the Freighter, he would now have the Black Box and whetever else is on there. I don't think Widmore wants that. If I were Widmore, I wouldn't want Ben getting access to my Freighter, so I'd blow it up.

all duplicate info, nothing that couldn't be discredited if nesscary,do you honstly think widmore would leave info that case senstive on the freighter where there could be a threat of that happening. No. The black box along with any other info clearly pose no threat to widmore, so it leads me to the conclusion that anything left behind on the ship is benin .
100%
It is a Portable Sonic Smokinator

Keamy just used it as a way to get the capt'n to look around and say "What's That" so Keamy could shot him. Keamy could have held up his arm and showed Capt'n a watch and said I dont think you want to do that, and would have probably got the same reaction..

GAULT: I fixed your gun. Now stand down, Martin, or I will fire.
KEAMY: I don't think you want do that, Captain.
GAULT: What's that on his arm? What's that on his arm?
(Grunts)
(KEAMY shoots GAULT)

dosen't make sense ,it was defintaly a threat if it was just a distraction then anybody on keamy's team could have done the same thing.

Could Widmore not wanting Ben to get any info be the reason there were two keys to get the "protocol" from the safe??

It's clearly some kind of iPod.

Could Widmore not wanting Ben to get any info be the reason there were two keys to get the "protocol" from the safe??

No, standard protocol. Both the captain and keamy would have to agree that is no other recourse but to use the secondary protocol.That's why there are two keys.

Could Widmore not wanting Ben to get any info be the reason there were two keys to get the "protocol" from the safe??

Sounds like Ben or anybody else... other question would be... how did Keamy know there were two protocols but not Capt. Cutie? Also, what pray tell is in the safe besides that?

What was playing on his ipod.....

Black Sabbath....Master of Reality???

Sounds like Ben or anybody else... other question would be... how did Keamy know there were two protocols but not Capt. Cutie? Also, what pray tell is in the safe besides that?

need to know basis.keamy was fully aware, and all the captain knew is that he had to be present and agree with keamy's decision, to open the safe.

I wonder if it is a devicxe to detonate the gas. Of course he does not know that Charlotte and faraday disabled the gas.

I wonder if it is a devicxe to detonate the gas. Of course he does not know that Charlotte and faraday disabled the gas.

could be.but not likely,they were loading the payload on to the chopper.

Ok so where is the bomb. That little thing is not big enough to do massive amounts of damage, sure it would kill Keamy and whomever is near him... but I don't think Keamy would be happy with that. Does he have massive amounts of explosive taped around his body??Nuclear airstrike?

They did successfully fire a rocket at Daniel's beacon. And that would be a good reason to move the island.

...how did Keamy know there were two protocols but not Capt. Cutie? Also, what pray tell is in the safe besides that?Red Sox tape.

I wonder if it is a devicxe to detonate the gas. Of course he does not know that Charlotte and faraday disabled the gas.

So that re-raises the question...are the four originally in the chopper there to undermine the actual mission?

could be a small generator thingy like the fence to keep smokey away

It's a metronome..it keeps a beat/rhythm. I read somewhere around here that the secondary protocal manual had the Orchid Logo on it. So could it be used to somehow screw up the Orchid Station effects!?
Not sure if info. from the Orchid Orientation video is a spoiler but just in case...

The Orchid video mentions the Casmir Effect which involves resonance which sounds like sound waves to me

Also since music,"Good Vibrations" unlocked a code, maybe the metronome can activate or disrupt a code that leads to a major explosion?

It's Keamy's iPod, preprogrammed with "Welcome to the Jungle" on repeat.

In response to the many who have posted something to the effect of "Well, if it isn't a bomb, why would he hold it up to the captain in a threatening manner?" Come on... Really? Regardless of whether or not it actually was something Cap'n should have been afraid of because it posed an imminent danger, the point is, the captain didn't know whether it was or wasn't.... so if Keamy holds it up in a threatening way, even if - to pose an extreme hypothetical - it was something as mundane as Keamy's iPod, the captain would have to assume it was something menacing. Keamy may have been bluffing, here, just to throw the captain off so he could shoot him.

Whatever it is, it was indeed connected to Keamy's vitals. As someone mentions, where the boxy thing was is where a major vein runs down your arm - thus heart rate could be monitored there - and as for the chest strap, things like that are used in polysomnography (sleep tests) to monitor breathing. So, if Keamy stopped breathing, and had no pulse, that thing would likely pick up on it, and thus trigger something - either a bomb on the boat, or something to "torch the Island" or whatever.

In the context of the episode, though, I like the suggestion that it's a personal sonic fence. Sayid did say "Whatever happened, they'll make sure it doesn't happen again." and I do think that was no mere throwaway line... They are also trying to find Ben, so maybe that thing can track where he's going.

I *love* the metronome idea that some people are throwing around! Quite interesting..... I guess that would make the metronome Keamy's constant. ;)

But when it's all said and done, who's to say that the device doesn't function as more than one of the above?

It's Keamy's iPod, preprogrammed with "Welcome to the Jungle" on repeat.

hahahaha!!- I'd say some kind of locator...

Welcome to the Jungle - LOL! That's awesome! I still think that it's either an anti-Smokey thing (I'm sure that Widmore knows about Smokey!) or, better yet, something triggered to blow up the Freighter to erase any evidence, etc., if the mission fails. Kreepy Keamy would obvious be able to kill a lot of people with a bomb strapped to his body. He's seeemingly ready for a suicide mission.

Oh! Someone else mentioned the other day around here that they saw a heart monitor on Kreepy Keamy, too. The idea that if Keamy gets killed, the heart monitor tells some kind of bomb to blow the Freighter up seems possible/interesting...

I think you probably have the right idea, beema. If it's not the ship that wired, it's places on the Island??
I can't imagine why Keamy has gone so nuts. Merceneries don't normally do that. I think Gault was right about him getting sick. It's just manifested differently.

I agree. He must be sick. Atypical mercenary. Unless, he specifically was put in that role because he is NOT your typical mercenary, i.e.: special relationship with Widmore.

Regarding the device: I'm sure I'll be proved wrong, but it makes no sense for it to be a remote device to blow up the island. He is going there right now with the purpose of torching it. I'm sure he believes he will be successful, but that he may very well die in the process. If his life is in danger, the freighter will blow up too. That is what the device is for. If he is able to get back to the freighter, then he can take it over and leave safely and cover up the whole situation with the island. But if he doesn't get back, he doesn't know who will be in charge and what stories will be leaked if the freighter gets back to the "real world." Since he seems to care about Widmore's true mission more than anything else, he would certainly go to the extreme to make sure the news of this event doesn't get out in the public.

Although I question why he is going to torch the island, if Widmore's apparent goal is to get the island back for himself. :confused:

could it be the old 'scorched earth' policy? If i can't have it then no body can type of thing used by the Russians as the Nazi's were invading the, in WWII.

LL; i don't think you will proved anything but completely right.

the arm device is to send a signal to blow up the freighter. the 'bomb' is on the boat, down the in cargo hold under the water line (where i'd plant it.) 'torch the island' is likely a relative term anyway. i'd think he'd be heading to the Tempest where the 'doomsday device' that Faraday already dismantled is. Keamy wouldn't know that he did that. the gas that it releases goes away pretty quickly, making the island safe for habitation again, as we saw during the purge. so Widmore could still have 'his' island back.

There were 'rumors' on darkUFO of the 'sonic smokie repellent', but it was never shown in the episode, but talk of such a device has not gone away. Keamy may have such a thing, but the device on his arm is not it IMO.

Such things do exist, but the ones i've seen are long hand-held cannon looking. they use them on cruise ships to ward off pirates....really!

could it be the old 'scorched earth' policy? If i can't have it then no body can type of thing used by the Russians as the Nazi's were invading the, in WWII.

LL; i don't think you will proved anything but completely right.

the arm device is to send a signal to blow up the freighter. the 'bomb' is on the boat, down the in cargo hold under the water line (where i'd plant it.) 'torch the island' is likely a relative term anyway. i'd think he'd be heading to the Tempest where the 'doomsday device' that Faraday already dismantled is. Keamy wouldn't know that he did that. the gas that it releases goes away pretty quickly, making the island safe for habitation again, as we saw during the purge. so Widmore could still have 'his' island back.

Everybody says that it is the gas, but who’s to say that Ben didn’t take into account that the gas could be released remotely and changed the remote frequency so that only he could have control over the gas,which is why daniel and charlotte disabled the use of the gas, clearly widmore has taken this into account, so to rely on the implementation of a weapon that he has no control over is foolish. Also the protocol was a direct order not a generalization or an operational code name ,and while the island is unique it is not indispensable less we forget why they are there in the first place (ben) not control of the island.

Everybody says that it is the gas, but who’s to say that Ben didn’t take into account that the gas could be released remotely and changed the remote frequency so that only he could have control over the gas,which is why daniel and charlotte disabled the use of the gas, clearly widmore has taken this into account, so to rely on the implementation of a weapon that he has no control over is foolish. Also the protocol was a direct order not a generalization or an operational code name ,and while the island is unique it is not indispensable less we forget why they are there in the first place (ben) not control of the island.

I thought just me and LL thought that it is the gas?
It just makes sense to me without trying to 'dbl think' Benry. I think you may mis-understood me. i believe Keamy's arm do-hicky is wired to blow up the boat, not the island in any way. he's flying in to do his 'torching'.
some options?
A. Either, as i think, to the Tempest to release it's gas. (so i hope he finds out he can't and get more upset, gets ambushed and killed by smokie) Hopefully, Widdie didn't take into account that Faraday and char. would dbl cross him and disarm it...I hope.

B. Or as most others here believe he is headed to the Orchid station (which the logo on the red folder is of ) to release whatever killer thing it can do, to be named later.(?)

C. What happened to the Electro-magnetic power of the island the Swan hatch was controlling?
To drop and set off some kind of big bombs he is flying in on the chopper. Don't doesn't seem to fit to me, since it's such a big island, that chopper could not hold enough of anything to 'torch it'. IMO. Maybe bombs could touch off the EM effect?

D. He is headed to the "Temple" where all the Others went. He seemed to refer to it as the only place that would be safe, and Widdie knew that cuz he's so smart. (?) so he would be starting with killing all the others?

Kearney is going to the Orchid, where Candle's duplicate bunnies resided. Widmore seems to know alot about dharma installations. I am starting to wonder if the device is somehow connected to monitor your vitals while you pass through some type of portal - the way Ben got off the island to Tunisia (he was wearing a parka because by this later point the Island had already moved...). The reason I say this is that Ben's arm was bleeding from the same spot that Kearney's device was located. Perhaps if it was forcibly removed there would be implants ripped out of your arm. This also ties in to season 1 & 2 speculation about missing arms. . . remember Candle and Montand...?

Kearney is going to the Orchid, where Candle's duplicate bunnies resided. Widmore seems to know alot about dharma installations. I am starting to wonder if the device is somehow connected to monitor your vitals while you pass through some type of portal - the way Ben got off the island to Tunisia (he was wearing a parka because by this later point the Island had already moved...). The reason I say this is that Ben's arm was bleeding from the same spot that Kearney's device was located. Perhaps if it was forcibly removed there would be implants ripped out of your arm. This also ties in to season 1 & 2 speculation about missing arms. . . remember Candle and Montand...?
I too am leaning towards the "metronome" thing being related to the Orchid ...

Isn't this what Keamy had attached to his arm?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Digital_metronome.jpg

I really think the sounds it produces has something to do with the Orchid and from what I've seen in the Orchid video...it may indeed have something to do with time and/or space shifting. However,I'm not sure why he needs the heart monitor?

Well, remember that Juliet had to be sedated when she was brought to the island. Perhaps this form of travel is potentially life-threatening . . .

I thought just me and LL thought that it is the gas?
It just makes sense to me without trying to 'dbl think' Benry. I think you may mis-understood me. i believe Keamy's arm do-hicky is wired to blow up the boat, not the island in any way. he's flying in to do his 'torching'.
some options?
A. Either, as i think, to the Tempest to release it's gas. (so i hope he finds out he can't and get more upset, gets ambushed and killed by smokie) Hopefully, Widdie didn't take into account that Faraday and char. would dbl cross him and disarm it...I hope.

B. Or as most others here believe he is headed to the Orchid station (which the logo on the red folder is of ) to release whatever killer thing it can do, to be named later.(?)

C. What happened to the Electro-magnetic power of the island the Swan hatch was controlling?
To drop and set off some kind of big bombs he is flying in on the chopper. Don't doesn't seem to fit to me, since it's such a big island, that chopper could not hold enough of anything to 'torch it'. IMO. Maybe bombs could touch off the EM effect?

D. He is headed to the "Temple" where all the Others went. He seemed to refer to it as the only place that would be safe, and Widdie knew that cuz he's so smart. (?) so he would be starting with killing all the others?

Refer to my previous post on this thread about freighter. And your right about napalm, in the fact he dosen't have enough to torch the island, but widmore dose have unlimited resources and with pockets that deep it would be easy enough for him to get his hands on Tactical nukes(in some countries they give you a price break when you buy in bulk) as for the gas, Daniel and charlotte, it seems didn't double cross anybody(except for 815's survivors) they did exactly what they were suppose to do. Disarm the gas to keep ben from using it on the support team when they arrived(dismantle your enemy from the inside and take away his defenses). Keamy suspecting that daniel and charlotte did their job, led the first strike on the compound(failing miserably with the advent of smokie). Now moves on to the second protocol, to torch the island. To make sure the mission succeeds he wires him self to a dead mans switch, to prevent interference with the mission objective , from any one foolish enough to try and stop him. Keamy would whole heartily agree with this tactic, knowing that presented with this ultimatum ben would have no other option but to surrender, to prevent the possibility of the island being destroyed.

Gosh M Dandy, you sound so sure of this. You didn't post a link to ur other thread....it's getting hard to find stuff from last wek now. What were the clues that led you this conclusion? Nukes? Are they already on the Island? we didn't see them bring anything that looked like that on the chopper. (a lot of RPG's though)

I can buy the theory that Dan shut off the 'gas' to keep Benry from having a counter weapon.

U R saying that keamy's arm thingie is keyed to the 'island torch'? Not to blow up the boat? then why would he show it to the capt'n as a threat to him?

ooo, oooh! i just thought of something i have not read before! (a rare event!)

Everybody but me and a few others are saying that Keamy is going to the Orchid station. I've yet to read a good reason why....I got one! :undecide:

Remember the bunnie #15 duplication in the video...Candle/Halliwax said something very important..."don't let them get close to each other!"

Everyone know (per sci-fi theories anyway) that if a duplicate person/thing touches itself, it causes a huge explosion...a rip in time space.

Couldn't this be exactly why Keamy would be heading there? to pass himself thru the 'dup' machine and then touch himself, causing the explosion..he wouldn't need nukes, napalm, or anything else...Keamy himself is "Da Bomb!"

My first thought was a heart-rate monitor linked to explosives or some other unpleasant things.

Doh! It's so obvious. As we all know, Smokey = Cerberus. The only defense against Cerberus, just like with his incarnation in Harry Potter as "Fluffy", is to lull him to sleep with music. So Keamy has prepared an extended musical act. However, since he is not naturally musically inclined, he needs the metronome to keep time!

Doh! It's so obvious. As we all know, Smokey = Cerberus. The only defense against Cerberus, just like with his incarnation in Harry Potter as "Fluffy", is to lull him to sleep with music. So Keamy has prepared an extended musical act. However, since he is not naturally musically inclined, he needs the metronome to keep time!

:eek2: You solved it!!! That must be the answer!!!

:biggrin:

Nukes? Are they already on the Island? we didn't see them bring anything that looked like that on the chopper. (a lot of RPG's though)Airstrike. If Faraday's rocket can reach the island, I imagine a nuke could as well. Perhaps the arm thing is a kind of GPS beacon, linked to the heart monitor around his chest.

Gosh M Dandy, you sound so sure of this. You didn't post a link to ur other thread....it's getting hard to find stuff from last wek now. What were the clues that led you this conclusion? Nukes? Are they already on the Island? we didn't see them bring anything that looked like that on the chopper. (a lot of RPG's though)

I can buy the theory that Dan shut off the 'gas' to keep Benry from having a counter weapon.

U R saying that keamy's arm thingie is keyed to the 'island torch'? Not to blow up the boat? then why would he show it to the capt'n as a threat to him?

ooo, oooh! i just thought of something i have not read before! (a rare event!)

Everybody but me and a few others are saying that Keamy is going to the Orchid station. I've yet to read a good reason why....I got one! :undecide:

Remember the bunnie #15 duplication in the video...Candle/Halliwax said something very important..."don't let them get close to each other!"

Everyone know (per sci-fi theories anyway) that if a duplicate person/thing touches itself, it causes a huge explosion...a rip in time space.

Couldn't this be exactly why Keamy would be heading there? to pass himself thru the 'dup' machine and then touch himself, causing the explosion..he wouldn't need nukes, napalm, or anything else...Keamy himself is "Da Bomb!"

Small, two-man portable tactical weapons (sometimes misleadingly referred to as suitcase nukes), such as the Special Atomic Demolition Munition, have been developed, although the difficulty of combining sufficient yield with portability limits their military utility.
which i could be mistaken, but they were loading black suitcases and bags on to the chopper.