I'm with Dessy on this one. If I was trapped on an island for years and just spoke to the love of my life, you would not be able to pay me enough to go back.

Yeah I kind of agree with him, too. Once off that island I wouldn't even consider going back. I mean he was only hanging with these strangers for about 2 weeks right?

Iirc he's been with them almost more than half the time they were on the island. Then end of season 1 was barely a month, and if they've been on the island for a little more 3 months..

What do you guys think happens to him? Maybe he ends up hiding where Gault told him and Sayid to go? Does this mean he gets off the island too? .. Or does something else happen...?

According to spoilers:

Don't we see Desmond with the Oceanic 6 on Sayid's little boat?!?!

Although I never want to see Desmond die, if we don't get some kind of Charlie resolve (his note and ring, Desmond's supposed vision of Claire and Aaron) I will be thoroughly disappointed. The writers are destroying - absolutely destroying - the best death of one of the most underused characters of the show. Are we never going to mention Desmond's vision again, or are we just supposed to silently believe that Desmond lied so he could ultimately find Penny?!?! Either of those would be a giant copout. I'm sorry, off topic...

Yep, I'm with you on this one too. I know there will be many haters saying how selfish he's being. It's easy to forget that he was there alone for 3 years, where as the Losties have been together there for only a few months. I wouldn't have gone back either. Especially under the circumstances, making it look like there'd be a good chance he wouldn't live through it.

I think it's fairly safe to say he has something to do with the O6 getting off the island..

Guess we'll find out next week. :|

I can understand his decision to not go back though I have to confess being a little disappointed by it. Plus it's not like it's going to be much safer on that freighter, especially if that whack job Keamy makes it back. :eek:

I have to admit I was a little disappointed in Desmond tonight. I don't believe in turning your back on people that need help. Why should his future with Penny be more important than anyone elses?

I understand his decision, but there's no question that he was being selfish. Still, he doesn't yet know at that point that any of his friends are dead... he's only seen the injured commando. After 3yrs trapped pushing a button, I'd have to think long and hard about going back to that Island.

I have to admit I was a little disappointed in Desmond tonight. I don't believe in turning your back on people that need help

They had Desmond give a reason for staying, but I thought it odd that he would be asked to go along. If you have limited seating capacity in a Zodiac, why fill an extra space with Desmond? And, yes, we will have a week of people saying that Desmond is selfish.

Desmond is known for his cowardice... perhaps his chance to redeem himself and prove he's truly brave is coming up. although i thought offering to go down into the Looking Glass in lieu of Charlie was pretty damn brave. Ben's right, destiny is a fickle bi*ch

people might call him selfish but think about it logically. he's on widmore's boat. he knows all he has to do is stay put til the boat leaves and he'll get to see penny again. he knows that keamy and his crew are going to cause some serious trouble on the island, and he also knows that sayid can handle it by himself. i very much doubt any of you people would have done any different.

A bit selfish but totally understandable.

However, I wonder if the island will feel differently and still make him stay somehow.

I don't see how he can be selfish, he's been longer on the island than anybody, and trapped too, he's suffered side effects going out already, there's limited capacity on the boat, why use it up? All that together makes it logical for him to stay.

If Desmond went on the Zodiac, there would be less room to bring back our losties, Sayid didn't even insist, he totally understood. He can be more useful on the boat and doesn't want to take any chances now that he saw Penny. Plus, he would risk dying because of the memory thing. He has been heroic various times throughout the show, let's give him a break. I don't think he was selfish at all.

They had Desmond give a reason for staying, but I thought it odd that he would be asked to go along. If you have limited seating capacity in a Zodiac, why fill an extra space with Desmond? And, yes, we will have a week of people saying that Desmond is selfish.

Exactly -- why should Des have gone with Sayid? It would have limited the capacity for the rescue boat, and staying meant Des could hold down the fort on the freighter. There was nothing selfish about it. Plus, he hardly had a positive experience the last time he travelled through the time barrier ;) (Though I guess that is likely under control, but if I were him, I would have done exactly the same thing)

My one thought, as he's watching the scene go down on the freighter deck with Keamy going berserko, I was wondering if he hadn't wished he'd gone with Sayid at that moment :biggrin: Definitely a good move on his part to just stay hidden like that.

I must say though I don't know what's going to happen with him on the freighter. Was it just me, or was his comment "I don't want to ever step foot on that island again" just a little ominous? It made me think he might wind up back there again, despite being so close to escape :frown:

I was hoping that he would change his mind and get on the boat. I think only those on the Zodiac will be rescued, and I really want to see Desmond and Penny get back together. I can also see where some will call him selfish. I think people will draw their own conclusions based on their own "perspective" I however, am not one of those that see selfishness. I see the fear in his eyes, fear can be very overwhelming. Besides, what if he got "unstuck" again? That would really screw up the whole rescue.

Desmond is known for his cowardice...


:rolleyes:..

I think his decision to stay on the boat was founded by several things; wanting to see Penny again, not wanting to get unstuck again, limited room on the Zodiac, and of course having been on the island for 3 years already.

And I stand by what I said earlier, the writers simply needed a reason for him to be on the boat, there must be a plan for him before the season ends.

Although I never want to see Desmond die, if we don't get some kind of Charlie resolve (his note and ring, Desmond's supposed vision of Claire and Aaron) I will be thoroughly disappointed. The writers are destroying - absolutely destroying - the best death of one of the most underused characters of the show. Are we never going to mention Desmond's vision again, or are we just supposed to silently believe that Desmond lied so he could ultimately find Penny?!?! Either of those would be a giant copout. I'm sorry, off topic...
Why did Desmond's visions stop anyway? Not all of them were about Charlie dying, but he hasn't got any since he died.

I read on another thread a great theory on Desmond's visions. Once he became unstuck he stopped his time travel and his visions.

To me that would mean that when the Swan blew up, he only became a little unstuck. But how does one only be a little unstuck??

I can semi understand why he did not go with Sayid. I think he was a little cowardly hiding when the stuff between Keamy and the captain went down though. But then again, no one else did anything either. I liked this episode but Desmond's role was very unevenly written/played out imo.

Desmond is the only Lostaway who can plausibly captain that boat (and they don't even have a captain anymore, by the way). There's no way Des should have even considered going in the Zodiac and taken the space of someone who could be rescued.

I think Desmond was struggling with his cowardice when all hell started to break loose on deck, but I see a mutiny and takeover coming.

His decision to stay seemed in character to me. I wouldn't have expected him to behave with the same ideals as Sayid, whose priority is to rescue his friends and then get back to the mainland and his lost love. Desmond's priority is to get back to his lost love, period. He's had a heroic moments before in The Looking Glass, even volunteering to take Charlie's place, but he hasn't been quite the team player for the Losties that the rest of them have been. He could have taken a few of them on the Elizabeth in MOSMOF when he first met them and ran away - it would have actually helped on the seas to have crew - but his first thought seemed to be for getting himself away from the island. That's understandable, and works with the character as he's depicted. Also, he surely doesn't want to go through another time rip and mess up his head again.
Let's hope he has a chance to shine for the Losties on the ship.

Well I can't blame Des for not doing anything against the heavily armed, homicidal psycho with the goon squad backup. He didn't have any weapons, what was he supposed to do? Undo another button and smile? Keamy's a tough dude, I don't think it would have worked.
Dude's been on the island for 3+ years, I wouldn't have wanted to go back either if I knew Penny was on her way. The boat is probably easier to find than the island. Plus if Sayid can start shuttling the survivors back, it would be beneficial for them to have as many people on the boat who are on their side.

It's clear to me that the writers need him on the boat - if for nothing else then for withnessing the murder of the doctor and the captain. They just gave him some weak lines to do that... he could have said all the things you mentioned: room in the Zodiac, he can make himself useful on the freighter... it's not like Sayid is planning to go in combat against Keamy and the gang, he just silently and quickly wants to carry the losties to the boat. If everything went well, in a few hours he could be back with the first round. And here's the thing: there're not many people left on the boat now, he and Michael almost have it for themselves :D

He could have taken a few of them on the Elizabeth in MOSMOF when he first met them and ran away - it would have actually helped on the seas to have crew - but his first thought seemed to be for getting himself away from the island..

Yeah, but he had no clue who they were, as it was, they were near-complete strangers at the time.

Desmond is the only Lostaway who can plausibly captain that boat (and they don't even have a captain anymore, by the way).

You know, that's a very good point. Think of it like this:

Do you guys REALLY think Keamy would let 6 survivors get away? I think the only way they could get off the island is if Keamy and co. bite it and die somehow. If that happens the crew on the ship will be very, very small. Des would be a valuable instrument to the writers as to how the O6 get off the island.

If he does get off the island, he could sorta "redeem" himself by going back with the O6 and rescue everyone next season?

Yeah, but he had no clue who they were, as it was, they were near-complete strangers at the time.


Yea, not to mention the fact that he was stranded inside an underground hatch for 3 years and bullied around by a drunken ex-agent... Who the heck would think logically and selflessly at that point??? Just think about it for a sec. Not go out, never see the sky, or a tree or a flower, or another human being for 3 bloody years. After just being released from prison...

I'm still in awe that he is as normal as he is.

Anyway. Do we know what crew is left on the freighter? IS anybody else there besides himself and Michael?

It seems like the Captain had his crew but maybe Keamy and his gang of ruffians may have just chartered that boat. That would explain why they didn't take orders from the Captain. I think there were a couple of regular crew members left, but not too many.

Desmond made the right decision to stay on the freighter, he was not a crash survivor, he was in a sense trapped there for over 3yrs... Poor guy. He knows its Widmore's boat, so he's got the best chance he can see if he stays on the boat.


Also, I thought the fight between Lapidus and Keamy was interesting, Lapidus has control as long as they need a pilot. But, correct me if I'm wrong, but can't Desmond also fly a chopper? He had military training.. and not saying that is a guarantee but up until his unstuckness he seemed quite comfortable in the copilot/front seat next to Frank...

dunno if it will come up but I just wonder about that sometimes.

His decision to stay seemed in character to me. I wouldn't have expected him to behave with the same ideals as Sayid, whose priority is to rescue his friends and then get back to the mainland and his lost love. Desmond's priority is to get back to his lost love, period. He's had a heroic moments before in The Looking Glass, even volunteering to take Charlie's place, but he hasn't been quite the team player for the Losties that the rest of them have been. He could have taken a few of them on the Elizabeth in MOSMOF when he first met them and ran away - it would have actually helped on the seas to have crew - but his first thought seemed to be for getting himself away from the island. That's understandable, and works with the character as he's depicted. Also, he surely doesn't want to go through another time rip and mess up his head again.
Let's hope he has a chance to shine for the Losties on the ship.

Great post! Wouldn't you agree that even Des "heroic" moment in The Looking Glass, was still semi selfish. He saw the vision, saw rescue, and he want off that darn island. I think that is all he ever wanted, off the island and to find Penny. The only survivor he tried to save was Charlie, and he is now dead. Does Des have any real connections with any of the people left on the island to risk his life to save?

Didn't Desmond redeem his cowardice when he turned the failsafe key in the Swan? He told John to get as far away as possible, assuming that he himself would die from the effects of turning the key. So trying to sacrifice yourself in order to save an island-full of people and possibly the rest of the world counts for nothing now?

The thing with his Charlie visions was that Desmond thought he could play with Destiny, since he was able to "save" Charlie over and over. He sincerely thought he would be able to take Charlie's place when the time came and prevent his death yet again.

I think he was just smart to stay on the freighter, to leave more room for the others. I guess his lines were misleading and not the best choice by the writers, but I'm sure they were only concerned with working in a reminder about Penny. (As if we would forget. :rolleyes:)

Gees, quit Widmoring Des. He's done a pretty good job of helping people and he's getting no credit at all for it.

Great post! Wouldn't you agree that even Des "heroic" moment in The Looking Glass, was still semi selfish. He saw the vision, saw rescue, and he want off that darn island.


I believe the episode made quite clear that Desmond expected to die when he turned the failsafe key. That's why he took out the Dickens book.

Of course, it kinda looked at that moment as if everyone on the island was about to die anyway.

Great post! Wouldn't you agree that even Des "heroic" moment in The Looking Glass, was still semi selfish. He saw the vision, saw rescue, and he want off that darn island. I think that is all he ever wanted, off the island and to find Penny. The only survivor he tried to save was Charlie, and he is now dead. Does Des have any real connections with any of the people left on the island to risk his life to save?

That's been one of my problems with Des's character this season. Though he's easily one of my fav characters, I thought the writers took a great step forward by having him become a more integral part of the losties through his friendship with Charlie, and even with Hurley and Jin last season.

This season, beyond hardly having any screen time :frown: , he's taken a bit of a step back: he's been solely focused on Penny, without the sense of comraderie he had last year (with the exception of Sayid). I just really hope the writers start putting him to greater use in the future, because he is already so tied up with Widmore/Penny, the bigger picture with Ben, why is that mostly glossed over?

Well, we may just have to wait and see, I guess...

And I agree that one of the primary traits for him has been his inability to take charge, not cowardice per se, but a quality that Widmore sees in him that makes him hesitant, unsure of himself.
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Gees, quit Widmoring Des. He's done a pretty good job of helping people and he's getting no credit at all for it.

Excellent new phrase to coin ;) I love it!

But, correct me if I'm wrong, but can't Desmond also fly a chopper? He had military training.. and not saying that is a guarantee but up until his unstuckness he seemed quite comfortable in the copilot/front seat next to Frank...

In an interview (I think you can find it on Lost-Media.com) H.I.C was asked why he thinks so many people like his character and in his reply he said because he thought people could connect to Des because he wasn't a doctor, convict/on the lam, assassin, couldn't fix a chopper, ect. People like him because he's an "everyman". (Even in his flashes and un-sticking he behaved like any normal person would).

From that I think it's fairly safe to say he doesn't know how to fly, could be wrong though.

That's been one of my problems with Des's character this season. Though he's easily one of my fav characters, I thought the writers took a great step forward by having him become a more integral part of the losties through his friendship with Charlie, and even with Hurley and Jin last season.

This season, beyond hardly having any screen time :frown: , he's taken a bit of a step back: he's been solely focused on Penny, without the sense of comraderie he had last year (with the exception of Sayid). I just really hope the writers start putting him to greater use in the future, because he is already so tied up with Widmore/Penny, the bigger picture with Ben, why is that mostly glossed over?

Well, we may just have to wait and see, I guess...

And I agree that one of the primary traits for him has been his inability to take charge, not cowardice per se, but a quality that Widmore sees in him that makes him hesitant, unsure of himself.
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Excellent new phrase to coin ;) I love it!

I just don't get why everyone is so hard on him. Plenty of Losties have done less than he has in the way of helping. Des has manned up when he's had to. Why he's branded a coward just because he doesn't want to go back to the island (risking being stuck there again and/or mind tripping again) is crazy. Hurley throws an ottoman threw a window and it's "way to go Hurley", well Des saved them all by turning the failsafe and he tried to save Charlie but the universe just wasn't going to let him, he tried to warn everyone about the freight folk by delivering Chuck's last message and they all go with Jack anyway and somehow Des is a coward for not wanting to go back to the sheeple about to get slaughtered? Oy!

Madge, you always have a way to bring the humanity out of the characters. I always look them and what they do as just a piece of the puzzle to try and fit together. Nice to be reminded that it is also a show about wonderful characters.

Aw, go on! Des does seem to be a genuine good guy so I hate to see him getting dumped on.

Well I can't blame Des for not doing anything against the heavily armed, homicidal psycho with the goon squad backup. He didn't have any weapons, what was he supposed to do? Undo another button and smile?

:rotflmao2: I don't know if that would have helped the situation on the freighter but it would have helped me!

I never once thought Des was selfish for staying on the freighter. He was acting in character; if the writers had written this any differently I would have thought they were whacked. The poor man has been "savin' the world" for three years now in a living hell of isolation. I think he deserves to think of himself now. And I agree with others who've said it was kind of goofy for the writers not to just have Des and Sayid agree that it was best that only one took up space in the Zodiac.

Yeah I kind of agree with him, too. Once off that island I wouldn't even consider going back. I mean he was only hanging with these strangers for about 2 weeks right?

It's closer to 8 weeks. Ok, a couple of points-

1. Desmond didn't have to go back with Said, why would he? Sayid was bringing people to the boat anyway, so why would Des go and take up room on the wee speedboat thing?
2. Desmond was right not to intervene when Keamy was killing people.Now, I am not a small chap, I work out and can take care of myself, but even I would do exactly what Des did. There is no way I would confront a guy who is about 6' 7" and built like a brick out-house. Especially not one I had just seen kill people. It would be insane for him to do anything.


I don't see it as cowardice, I see it as being quite sensible actually :)

Poor Des. I feel bad for him. If it was me, I would have stayed on the ship as well. If the last time I crossed over the :threshold" I went loopy, started time jumping all over the place and almost died, I'm not going back through that "bubble" TWICE, after what happened the last time I went through. Plus, I've been wanting to get off that Island for 3 friggin' years, and now I'm finally off, who knows what could happen if I went back, I'd be afraid something would happen and I'd be trapped there again! I don't fault Des at all, I would have done the same thing.

Des also doesn't know the Losties very well, he returned to the Island during Libby and Ana Lucia's funeral which Lostpedia places as around day 65. That means he had around a month to bond with the Losties and for most of that time he was hanging around with Charlie, saving his life. He hasn't been through alot of the ordeals that the other Losties have been together, which binds you even closer.

Of course the haters are gonna say Des was selfish, but he was just being logical. Really, what more could he have done that Sayid won't do? The Losties are gonna look to Sayid more than Desmond anyway and he can also keep tab of things on the boat.

I just don't get why everyone is so hard on him. Plenty of Losties have done less than he has in the way of helping. Des has manned up when he's had to. Why he's branded a coward just because he doesn't want to go back to the island (risking being stuck there again and/or mind tripping again) is crazy. Hurley throws an ottoman threw a window and it's "way to go Hurley", well Des saved them all by turning the failsafe and he tried to save Charlie but the universe just wasn't going to let him, he tried to warn everyone about the freight folk by delivering Chuck's last message and they all go with Jack anyway and somehow Des is a coward for not wanting to go back to the sheeple about to get slaughtered? Oy!

What you have said is the exact reason people are being hard on him. Desmond has become one of the losties when he helped them, when he befriended them. He was there and offered to save Charlie, THAT is why people are hard on him. If his character were to remain...in character...for lack of a better term, he would have went with Sayid. This latest turn is against the characteristics he has displayed as of late. I do not fault him for not going, I fault the writers for making it seem so selfish. I liked this episode but parts of it seem rushed or poorly written. I can see Desmond's point of view, but I think it could have been better written.

Couldn't have said it better myself Solarman!!

Desmond probably does not want to have the time shifting effects again. He also figures he can do more good on the boat to see what plays out there with those thugs. I agree with the other posts Desmond has been a real hero many times on the island. He is not about to stop being a hero.

I don't like what he said, but... If Sayid agrees with it, I agree with it ;)

What you have said is the exact reason people are being hard on him. Desmond has become one of the losties when he helped them, when he befriended them. He was there and offered to save Charlie, THAT is why people are hard on him. If his character were to remain...in character...for lack of a better term, he would have went with Sayid. This latest turn is against the characteristics he has displayed as of late. I do not fault him for not going, I fault the writers for making it seem so selfish. I liked this episode but parts of it seem rushed or poorly written. I can see Desmond's point of view, but I think it could have been better written.

Agreed. It's hard for me to say this since Desmond was my 2nd favourite character, but in S4 he come across as selfish, passive and cowardly. In S3 Desmond asked Charlie to give up his life for everyones rescue and promised him that he had seen a vision of Claire and Aaron getting on a rescue helicopter together. Come S4 it seems the only rescue Desmond cares about is his own. Claire and Aaron have been ripped apart and the rest of the Lostees are being massacred by Keamys gang. But why should Desmond care when "Penny is coming for me" *smug smile*.

The only time we have seen Desmond motivated in S4 is when he is saving himself or trying to get back to Penny. Other than that he has trotted around after Sayid, contributing nothing. He hides in the shadows and watches while Gault and the Doctor are murdered. Sayid and Faraday made efforts to save Desmonds life when he was experincing his side effects, but Desmond won't help them in return?

Like solar said what has happened to the heroic Desmond who turned the failsafe key and who tried to save Charlie offering to swim down to the Looking Glass in his place? I had high expectations for this guy and they have made him look like a worm in S4.

Yeah, but then again him and a couple other characters (Juliet, Michael) have had hardly ANY screentime except for their centric episodes, it's kinda hard to convey more than one motive for a character given that limited time.

BTW: He tried to save the woman on the freighter who jumped overboard, sorta. He wasn't really "Desmond first" then.

I dunno, Des SHOULD be the first person off the island.. Lol.

I honestly do not see Desmond as being a coward! There is no evidence of it apart from not going with Sayid but why would he? The last time he traveled from the Island, he almost died for crying out loud. Why does he have to put himself through that again? Why is that selfish and cowardly?

He didn't say 'to hell with you lot' he knew Sayid was coming back with people and he would have helped then. If there was absolutely no reason for him to go with Sayid to crap-hole Island, no reason at all then why should he?

(sorry, just defending a fellow Scot :biggrin:)

I honestly do not see Desmond as being a coward! There is no evidence of it apart from not going with Sayid but why would he? The last time he traveled from the Island, he almost died for crying out loud. Why does he have to put himself through that again? Why is that selfish and cowardly?

He didn't say 'to hell with you lot' he knew Sayid was coming back with people and he would have helped then. If there was absolutely no reason for him to go with Sayid to crap-hole Island, no reason at all then why should he?

(sorry, just defending a fellow Scot :biggrin:)

If Desmond had said "Those side effects could kill me" or "I don't want to take up anymore room in the boat" that would have been fine. But the writers had Desmond saying "I'm not going back to that island for anything because Penny is coming for me" in a way that sounded selfish and uncaring for the other Lostees.

It is the way the writers are choosing to portray Des that is the problem.

I dunno, Des SHOULD be the first person off the island.. Lol.

Aaron, Claire and Sun should be the first priority for rescue.

Its only been a few days since his "constant" episode and sayid hasn't done much since then. Desmond's spent 3 years as prisoner of the hatch and him going back to the island would be pointless since he would take places on the boat.

He can do more on the boat and seemingly he will.

If Desmond had said "Those side effects could kill me" or "I don't want to take up anymore room in the boat" that would have been fine. But the writers had Desmond saying "I'm not going back to that island for anything because Penny is coming for me" in a way that sounded selfish and uncaring for the other Lostees.


I don't think it sounded uncaring for the survivors, at all to be honest. If Penny was going to the freighter, Desmond could tell her to wait for the others. I very highly doubt Des would leave without them. The fact he doesn't go to the Island with Sayid when he doesnt have to doesn't prove otherwise. There was nothing Des could have done on the Island, he knew it and even Sayid knew it. If Sayid thought Des was being a coward he would have put his grumpy face on and said so. He didn't, he knew exactly why Desmond needed to stay.

But, hey, that's just my opinion.

I would think Penny would have an easier time finding him on the boat than on the island that can't be found and if Penny finds Des then there's a greater chance to get the rest (or 6 of them at least) saved. Well, if they move the dang island first. Sometimes you have to run from the enemy to be more effective against them later.

Long live the great unbottoned one! Long live Des!

Long live the great unbottoned one! Long live Des!

Hooray! :biggrin:

You're a bit of alright Tim!

Desmond made the right decision to stay on the freighter, he was not a crash survivor, he was in a sense trapped there for over 3yrs... Poor guy. He knows its Widmore's boat, so he's got the best chance he can see if he stays on the boat.


Also, I thought the fight between Lapidus and Keamy was interesting, Lapidus has control as long as they need a pilot. But, correct me if I'm wrong, but can't Desmond also fly a chopper? He had military training.. and not saying that is a guarantee but up until his unstuckness he seemed quite comfortable in the copilot/front seat next to Frank...

dunno if it will come up but I just wonder about that sometimes.
I don't know if Des can fly a chopper or has other flight training, but way back in Season 1, Jack mentioned that he took some pilot lessons. My favorite speculation from a while back was that somehow Jack would somehow rescue the Losties by flying them off The Island. It was based on a great theory that lucky4me8 posted, long before the show progressed and we got more information.

Now that the choppers were introduced, I still would like to see Jack commandeer the remaining chopper and rescue the O6, but I don't want anything bad to happen to Frank.
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2. Desmond was right not to intervene when Keamy was killing people.Now, I am not a small chap, I work out and can take care of myself, but even I would do exactly what Des did. There is no way I would confront a guy who is about 6' 7" and built like a brick out-house. Especially not one I had just seen kill people. It would be insane for him to do anything.

I don't see it as cowardice, I see it as being quite sensible actually :)
I totally agree.

Even though many of us are disappointed with what Des said to Sayid, I think most everything else that was suggested probably ran quickly through Des' mind. And don't forget, the Captain only gave them a few minutes to get out of there, so I'll forgive Des (but not the writers).

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I wonder what is going on with Desmond coming out of the freighter door and yelling "I need you now!" to Michael...should be good.:biggrin:

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I wonder what is going on with Desmond coming out of the freighter door and yelling "I need you now!" to Michael...should be good.:biggrin:

I'm making that my new cell phone ring!

You're a bit of alright Tim!

Thanks.:) I love Desmond (as I said, anything to defend a fellow Scot :cool:)

[QUOTE=TabbyRasa;1888578] I don't know if Des can fly a chopper or has other flight training, but way back in Season 1, Jack mentioned that he took some pilot lessons. My favorite speculation from a while back was that somehow Jack would somehow rescue the Losties by flying them off The Island. It was based on a great theory that lucky4me8 posted, long before the show progressed and we got more information.

Now that the choppers were introduced, I still would like to see Jack commandeer the remaining chopper and rescue the O6, but I don't want anything bad to happen to Frank.

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I don't think we'll see Jack flying the helicopter. I'm assuming his flying lessons were for a fixed wing aircraft. I'm not a pilot myself, but my Dad and brother-in-law are, and I was in the Air Force for 14 years, and I know that flying a helicopter is a LOT different than flying a regular airplane.

Thanks.:) I love Desmond (as I said, anything to defend a fellow Scot :cool:)

As you should!

If the gang choppers out, I do hope that Frank is piloting them. I like Frank. I'm dying to hear the story of how they survived though and how they were found.

If Frank does end up being left behind, or something even worse.... I would bet it would be in some heroic effort to help the losties get away from Keamy.

I would prefer to see Ben give Keamy his karmic payback, I think he deserves the honor. But I do think Frank is going to play a big part in foiling Keamy's nefarious scheme.
Fingers crossed that both Des and Frank survive the finale! (at the very least)

I would prefer to see Ben give Keamy his karmic payback, I think he deserves the honor. But I do think Frank is going to play a big part in foiling Keamy's nefarious scheme.
Fingers crossed that both Des and Frank survive the finale! (at the very least)
I agree with ya....Frank will help our Losties. Actually,it looks like the Fab Four...Frank,Miles,Daniel, and Charlotte(albeit reluctantly) are going to be "good guys" and on the side of the Losties.

I hope they all are around next season...at least the guys. I don't like Charlotte at least yet.

Ok, I just rewatched the part where Sayid and Desmond are getting ready to get on the little boat. Sayid has to say "Desmond" to get Dessy out of a "blank stare" seemingly focused on the boat.

Could Desmond still be having the "Premonitions" like he had on the island even though he is now "grounded" with his constant? Could talking to Penny have only put his time traveling consciousness back into it place, yet Desmond still has all the premonitions from his original incident in the Swan. I cannot remember correctly if we were told Desmond saw his "life flash before his eye" I would assume it means his "entire" life.

Notice the use of quotation marks to emphasize I have no idea what I am talking about.........

:) Do any of us know what we're talking about with this show?

I got the impression Des was looking at that boat and just thinking "I so don't want to get on that thing and go back". Once Des talked to Penny and got grounded, I think all the flashes and what not stopped. I think when he told Charlie that his life flashed before his eyes, he was referring to his life up to that point or at least he meant the part of his life he jumped back to.

Madge, I too think Desmond's flashes stopped. I should only watch each episode just once, because each time I watch it I read more into every move, every sentence, every look.....

I was just wondering if Desmond's visions of the future changed now that he has left the island and met Penny so the future he saw is no longer his current future.... I confuse myself....

I just hope Des did not see something horrible happen to Sayid and not warn him because he is afraid that he will not meed up with Penny if he does.... I just love Dessy so much, I could just imagine how people would think about him then!!

If Desmond had said "Those side effects could kill me" or "I don't want to take up anymore room in the boat" that would have been fine. But the writers had Desmond saying "I'm not going back to that island for anything because Penny is coming for me" in a way that sounded selfish and uncaring for the other Lostees.

It is the way the writers are choosing to portray Des that is the problem.



Aaron, Claire and Sun should be the first priority for rescue.

Yeah, I guess your right.

..After them then, lol.

Madge, I too think Desmond's flashes stopped. I should only watch each episode just once, because each time I watch it I read more into every move, every sentence, every look.....

I was just wondering if Desmond's visions of the future changed now that he has left the island and met Penny so the future he saw is no longer his current future.... I confuse myself....

I just hope Des did not see something horrible happen to Sayid and not warn him because he is afraid that he will not meed up with Penny if he does.... I just love Dessy so much, I could just imagine how people would think about him then!!

After helped Charlie time and again, and he really did, I can't imagine he wouldn't have said something Sayid if there was trouble brewing. I don't think he can see the future flashes anymore though.

After helped Charlie time and again, and he really did,

Yeah, he really helped Charlie:

"Hey Charlie, even though I've been trying to save your life this whole time, I now realize you have to die in order for Claire and Aaron to get on that helicopter. Oh wait, did I say Claire? I meant Kate.

Charlie? Charlie? Oh well, too late now. At least I'm gonna get to see Penny."

Charlie's death was written in the stars. Des allowed Charlie to die in a real attempt at saving his friends. He could have just let him get hit by lightening. He was even going to go down there for him but Charlie cracked him with an oar instead. Charlie chose to go down there and face his death, no one put a gun to his head. Charlie chose to go, deal.

Charlie chose to go because Desmond told him it was the only way for his vision of 'Claire and Aaron getting on the helicopter' to come true. Now, I'm not saying that this might not happen sometime down the road (Kate and Aaron come back to the island, and Claire, assuming she is still alive, then leaves with Aaron), but based on all the evidence we currently have, this is not going to happen.

So either Desmond lied, or his vision was invalidated in some other way. Either of these scenarios leaves Charlie dying for no good reason. So far, nothing good has come to any of the Losties from Charlie deactivating the jamming signal. The only thing good to happen to anyone is Desmond being in contact with Penny. Desmond jumped at the chance to go to the freighter, and now he refuses to go back and help the people who got him there, all because his Penny is coming for him. So tell me again how Charlie's death served any other purpose than to maybe reunite Des and Penny?

Yeah I kind of agree with him, too. Once off that island I wouldn't even consider going back. I mean he was only hanging with these strangers for about 2 weeks right?

No, he's been with them a while, and I think he's plenty loyal to them. But what does he need to go back for -- to help pull them into the boat? The can fit more people without him anyway!
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So either Desmond lied, or his vision was invalidated in some other way. Either of these scenarios leaves Charlie dying for no good reason. So far, nothing good has come to any of the Losties from Charlie deactivating the jamming signal. The only thing good to happen to anyone is Desmond being in contact with Penny. Desmond jumped at the chance to go to the freighter, and now he refuses to go back and help the people who got him there, all because his Penny is coming for him. So tell me again how Charlie's death served any other purpose than to maybe reunite Des and Penny?

Well, it set into action everything that subsequently happened. While those things don't seem particularly great so far, we don't know what the alternative would have been. And the events that happened, DID lead to at least some of the losties getting off the island, which is what Charlie did it for. And don't forget that Desmond tried to take Charlie's place so that Charlie could live.

Charlie chose to go because Desmond told him it was the only way for his vision of 'Claire and Aaron getting on the helicopter' to come true. Now, I'm not saying that this might not happen sometime down the road (Kate and Aaron come back to the island, and Claire, assuming she is still alive, then leaves with Aaron), but based on all the evidence we currently have, this is not going to happen.

So either Desmond lied, or his vision was invalidated in some other way. Either of these scenarios leaves Charlie dying for no good reason. So far, nothing good has come to any of the Losties from Charlie deactivating the jamming signal. The only thing good to happen to anyone is Desmond being in contact with Penny. Desmond jumped at the chance to go to the freighter, and now he refuses to go back and help the people who got him there, all because his Penny is coming for him. So tell me again how Charlie's death served any other purpose than to maybe reunite Des and Penny?

You're right, all that other life saving Des did was just a long con so he could be reunited with his girlfriend. Turning the failsafe and risking his life, saving Charlie from many other even more pointless, unproductive deaths, he did all that just to get back with his girlfriend. Okay, fine.