if the island can be moved, and is going to be moved, i think thats why only 6 people made it off the island. sure some people want to stay, but if the island gets moved then the bearings no longer work, meaning no more ppl get rescued. didnt the helicopter dude say the max he can take at a time is 6 anyways?

Perhaps yeah, but I really can't see Jack wanting to be one of the first to leave. He probably would have been one of the last to leave and wouldn't have gotten off at all if the 'rescue' was cut short by the island moving.

Unless jack aggravates his appendix condition, remember Juliet was saying that he could have issue with the stitches if he moves... maybe he gets hurt a little and they make him go on the helicopter... Who knows.. but I like this theory. Kinda makes it seem more interesting especially if there are more people that want out, AND it fits well with Jack last season trying to find it by taking ANY plane he can.... NOT just ones b/t sydney and LA (or so I feel we are led to believe).

yea well in the preview things looked pretty intense, and im sure theres gonna be some gun fights or something. maybe its one of those situations like people happen to be there and theres nothing they can really do but get on the helicopter cuz the islands gonna be moved or theyr gonna die. plus i mean if kate got on obviously jacks goin no matter what at this point

I'm not so sure about the helicopter, I'm thinking more along the lines of the Zodiac boat and how many people it could carry as I'm thinking that's what they will use to get off the island...(<>..<>)

You all seem to be assuming the freighter gets them rescued, and that's not how I see it. Ever since we saw Sayid working for Ben I thought Ben saves them. Even though we've seen how Sayid comes to work for Ben, I still don't think the freighter is going to actually rescue them. Michael would have to fix the engines and someone else would have to navigate it back to the main land but everything has been sabotaged.

You all seem to be assuming the freighter gets them rescued, and that's not how I see it. Ever since we saw Sayid working for Ben I thought Ben saves them. Even though we've seen how Sayid comes to work for Ben, I still don't think the freighter is going to actually rescue them. Michael would have to fix the engines and someone else would have to navigate it back to the main land but everything has been sabotaged.

I agree with this somewhat. I think they make it off the island with Sayid's raft. Then the island "moves" and no one else can get off. I think the freighter is going to blow , one way or another, and that they get picked up by a boat that is "coincidentally" in the area (by coincidence i think Ben plans it). I think Ben leaves the island to battle widmore since he is no longer the chosen one.

Sayid's zodiac boat gets my vote for rescuing them. Think back to Kate's trial when Jack's on the stand and says something llike "We survived because we fell in the water..." They can only fit so many on the boat - Juliet can't go because she wasn't on 815, Kate takes Aaron while Claire catches up with Dad, and Desmond is still on the freighter. They must take the boat out using some coordinates - probably provided by Ben - that put them on a small, easily found island, near the fake wreckage site and they quickly get scooped up by locals, etc.

But if they get off the island by way of the zodiac how do they explain that to who ever finds them at sea? I think a helicopter rescuing them and taking them back to the freighter makes more sense. Also, if Michael turns out to be the one in the coffin he has to get back home, too. Then there's Des - he can't die!!!

either way, id like to see how it goes over when they get back. no matter how they get off nothings going to be able to be verified or proven, no islands gonna be found, and a fake plane wwith fake bodies is under the ocean.

But if they get off the island by way of the zodiac how do they explain that to who ever finds them at sea? I think a helicopter rescuing them and taking them back to the freighter makes more sense. Also, if Michael turns out to be the one in the coffin he has to get back home, too. Then there's Des - he can't die!!!

What if Penny is the one to find them? She did tell Des that she would find him, and he gave her clues about the freighter's location, yes? And since Des wasn't Oceanic 815, he could be rescued without needing the cover story. Or he could die before Penny finds the freighter, meaning no reason for him to need a cover story. Michael is on the freighter under an assumed name, so he, too, doesn't need a cover story

Also, Penny is a Widmore, so while she loves Des, she may be her father's daughter and want to cover up the truth about the Island. Or, she is the one who creates the cover story for the Oceanic 6 as a way to protect them from her father.

And just in case this theory is considered spoiler material ....

Either way, however,

Keamy and Company aren't making it back from the Island since they would know if there were survivors, and there would be no need to have various characters deal with the guilt of leaving. K&C may "torch" the Island at the exact same moment that it "moves" so the Oceanic 6 actually don't know if anyone survives. From their perspective, the Island goes boom or the Island simply vanishes. It explains why Abbadon asks Hurley about survivors--neither of them knows for sure. And it explains why there are only 6 survivors--they cannot get back to the Island to get any one else off before the big boom or vanishing act takes place.


All I can say is that someone may need to start a "Locke was right thread" since Jack's decision to trust Naomi seems more and more wrong. Unless getting blown up counts as a right decision. ;)

You all seem to be assuming the freighter gets them rescued, and that's not how I see it. Ever since we saw Sayid working for Ben I thought Ben saves them. Even though we've seen how Sayid comes to work for Ben, I still don't think the freighter is going to actually rescue them. Michael would have to fix the engines and someone else would have to navigate it back to the main land but everything has been sabotaged.

Ahh, but we have Desmond the sailor on the freighter don't we? He and Michael get the freighter ready and Desmond can navigate it.

Actually - 8 people have to get off the island and here's why. At Kate's trial when they called Jack to the stand he says that 8 people survived the crash and yet only the Oceanic 6 make it home alive. Why would he make up an unnecesary lie like 8 people survived the crash when its already a lie that only 6 people survived? Unless at their rescue there are the Oceanic 6 plus two dead bodies.

Actually - 8 people have to get off the island and here's why. At Kate's trial when they called Jack to the stand he says that 8 people survived the crash and yet only the Oceanic 6 make it home alive. Why would he make up an unnecesary lie like 8 people survived the crash when its already a lie that only 6 people survived? Unless at their rescue there are the Oceanic 6 plus two dead bodies.

I think jack said that 8 survived the initial crash, but that 2 died later on.

Actually it has to be 9 people getting off the island. 8 survived the crash, 1 had to give birth to Aaron, and 6 become the Oceanic 6 - 8+1-3= Oceanic 6

no one has mentioned that kate promised sawyer that she would do something for him once back home. this implies that sawyer, whether he chose to stay (like jack said) or if he was incapable of leaving, knew that kate was going to go home, and he wasn't. The 6 that were chosen get to go home because they were either chosen to or they are coerced to.

I don't know if this belongs in another thread, but didn't know where to bring this up, so here it goes...

what if Locke has already "moved" the island?

why do i say this? in regards to the 'flash forwards' we've been seeing. What if some aren't actually 'flash forwards', but another time all together, after locke 'moved' the island, causing a time shift for the characters


why do i think this?

Was just watching "Eggtown". Jack is brought in as a character witness. He's asked how he knows kate.

Jack: "We were on Oceanic 815, our plane [I]crash landed[I] on an island in the South Pacific"

Really? Wasn't the plane found IN THE OCEAN???????????????

I think we're seeing a different reality set forth by Locke's 'moving' the island, and this is why Jack said Oceanic 815 crashed ON an island in the South Pacific

makes more sense

What show are you watching?!

What if Penny is the one to find them? She did tell Des that she would find him, and he gave her clues about the freighter's location, yes? And since Des wasn't Oceanic 815, he could be rescued without needing the cover story. Or he could die before Penny finds the freighter, meaning no reason for him to need a cover story. Michael is on the freighter under an assumed name, so he, too, doesn't need a cover story

Also, Penny is a Widmore, so while she loves Des, she may be her father's daughter and want to cover up the truth about the Island. Or, she is the one who creates the cover story for the Oceanic 6 as a way to protect them from her father.

And just in case this theory is considered spoiler material ....

Either way, however,

Keamy and Company aren't making it back from the Island since they would know if there were survivors, and there would be no need to have various characters deal with the guilt of leaving. K&C may "torch" the Island at the exact same moment that it "moves" so the Oceanic 6 actually don't know if anyone survives. From their perspective, the Island goes boom or the Island simply vanishes. It explains why Abbadon asks Hurley about survivors--neither of them knows for sure. And it explains why there are only 6 survivors--they cannot get back to the Island to get any one else off before the big boom or vanishing act takes place.


All I can say is that someone may need to start a "Locke was right thread" since Jack's decision to trust Naomi seems more and more wrong. Unless getting blown up counts as a right decision. ;)

I just wanted to say Pink that I love your avatar and the kitties names are great!!!!!:biggrin:

I'm not so sure about the helicopter, I'm thinking more along the lines of the Zodiac boat and how many people it could carry as I'm thinking that's what they will use to get off the island...(<>..<>)

I was thinking along the same lines, perhaps they only managed to ferry the 6 over before the island moved.

Oh and did anybody else find that they named a flimsy dingy the Zodiac boat funny, I bet its not even big enough to write Zodiac on it lol. Unless Zodiac is a brand name for a type of dingy, soz I'm UK

Actually - 8 people have to get off the island and here's why. At Kate's trial when they called Jack to the stand he says that 8 people survived the crash and yet only the Oceanic 6 make it home alive. Why would he make up an unnecesary lie like 8 people survived the crash when its already a lie that only 6 people survived? Unless at their rescue there are the Oceanic 6 plus two dead bodies.


there is another reason other than finding 2 dead bodies.

they needed to explain where the baby came from since it's not biologically kate's and how sun got pregnant in the last 100 days.


to do that they would have to reveal that claire survived the crash long enough to give birth but die later on. and jin survived the crash long enough to knock up sun and then die later on. they don't have to have been found with 2 extra bodies.
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Was just watching "Eggtown". Jack is brought in as a character witness. He's asked how he knows kate.

Jack: "We were on Oceanic 815, our plane [i]crash landed[i] on an island in the South Pacific"

Really? Wasn't the plane found IN THE OCEAN???????????????

I think we're seeing a different reality set forth by Locke's 'moving' the island, and this is why Jack said Oceanic 815 crashed ON an island in the South Pacific

so if it were just one timeline youd' expect jack to say they survived in the ocean for 100 days? Doubt people would believe that.

i think what was meant to be shown there was that the plane crashed in the south pacific, 8 of them managed to find a tiny island or some kind of sand dune and survived there for 100 days, while 2 of them died and jack got sick.