On DarkUfo's website someone mentioned this really cool idea. The way Abbadon was saying Mr Locke is the exact same walt used to address Locke. Is it possible that Abaddon is Walt from the future? Damon and Carlton have said that we will get resolution to Walt's story eventually. This seems like a cool way to do it.

Wow! I haven't thought about that. I think taller Walt will play a role in helping the 06 get back to the Island next season, but after that him growing up into a time-tripping Abbadon would be interesting.

yes of course, they are both black so it must be true! :rolleyes:

yes of course, they are both black so it must be true! :rolleyes:

Ha! Ha!

Not sure what to think of this theory, but if it's true it would be sweet that Walt (Abbadon) encouraged Locke, and subsequently Locke encouraged Walt, so that Walt (Abbadon) could go back to encourage Locke, so Locke could subsequently encourage Walt......

I noticed it too...his "Mr. Locke" was very Walt-like...

Ah, the obligatory "these are two African-Americans must be related/the same person" thread that pops up every time. Seriously, people. African-Americans may be underrepresented on screen but that doesn't mean all those characters are related.

Excellent theory! I hadn't thought of that.

sorry, but do you really think there's even the remotest chance that this could be true? i mean, i've heard people say this a few times before, and to me it seems completely ridiculous and 100% not going to happen. the fact they're both black and they both say "mr locke" is not a good enough connection.

you always here these ridiculous theories that certain characters are actually other characters. walt is abbadon. kate is annie. i think we need to accept that most people are who we're told they are.

Ah, the obligatory "these are two African-Americans must be related/the same person" thread that pops up every time. Seriously, people. African-Americans may be underrepresented on screen but that doesn't mean all those characters are related.

I think you're overreacting to a legitimate question. As for your last point, virtually everything on this show is related, people included. Gotta love the PC police!

Since everyone's so connected on this show, I have to lean towards Abadon and Walt being the same, rather than this just being a racial coincidence.

On DarkUfo's website someone mentioned this really cool idea. The way Abbadon was saying Mr Locke is the exact same walt used to address Locke. Is it possible that Abaddon is Walt from the future? Damon and Carlton have said that we will get resolution to Walt's story eventually. This seems like a cool way to do it.

lol
so
a TALLER walt talks to YOUNGER locke, and in the future, OLDER locke befriends YOUNGER walt.

hahaha, I don't see that as a resolution of Walt's story...

I think it is quite a large assumption and requires too big a logical step for it to be correct.

The only thing that makes me think it could be the case is that Locke says Walt is "taller".

I am however going to say that for me this is too nonsensical.

I lean towards Abbadon being the dead-kid ghost that Miles talks to, but from a different time loop where the kid doesn't die; and Miles is a young Marvin Candle time traveling back to talk to him and can jump between time loops so Miles will tell Locke about Abbadon and Locke will time travel to see Miles grown up and be Candle and then the two of them will time travel to the 70s to film the DI orientation videos and Locke is the one holding the camera and that's why he's so drawn to those videos in season 2, because he's the one filming them in the future but in the past because it's time travel!

I think you're overreacting to a legitimate question. As for your last point, virtually everything on this show is related, people included. Gotta love the PC police!
I'm sort of the last person to want to be PC, it's more of remarking on a certain naitivite of some conclusions. The last time this popped up it was saying that Walt's grandmother and the mother of the dead young man Miles went to ghost-bust were the same person.

I tend to believe that Abbadon may be the smoke monster... and it's not just because he's very black!

I'm going out on a limb here and saying that Walt is Walt, Michael is his Father and neither of them are related to Abbadon. But as we know they could be "connected" to him.

If he's Abbadon, then it's pretty impressive that he picked up an accent :rolleyes:

Walt changed his name to Henry Gale and tried ballooning back to the island to save his dad (Michael) in the past after he died in the present (the coffin in Season 3 finale?)

Oh, and maybe Abbadon is Rose's brother...lol/jk

Ah, the obligatory "these are two African-Americans must be related/the same person" thread that pops up every time. Seriously, people. African-Americans may be underrepresented on screen but that doesn't mean all those characters are related.

I agree, I saw a post that when someone saw his hands he thought it was Eko. I don't think these two are related how can an older Walt show up for John to encourage a younger Walt he is going to meet in the future. He was there to plant the walk-about to John because he knew the plane would crash and John would finally begin to realize his destiny. This whole show was about recruiting John at the proper time and they never gave up recruiting him.

Remember him saying "When we meet again you owe me one" or something like that...it got me thinking of Walt/Locke's relationship from season one...

Walt = Abbadon was discussed earlier this morning..you might want to scroll down the threads a bit to catch up.

from lostpedia:

Is Abaddon Walt?

Knows how Locke gets to the island and continually refers to him as "Mr. Locke"
Also talks to Locke about miracles, when on the island, Walt was the first person Locke told about his healed paralysis. He referred to it as a miracle.
In Cabin Fever Abaddon warns Locke "When you're ready, Mr. Locke...you'll listen to what I'm saying. And then when you and me run into each other again... you'll owe me one.
Retrieved from "http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Matthew_Abaddon/Theories"

I think this is more than just racial coincidence, but I also think it is wild speculation, as is most of what we do on this board.

It makes for good fodder.

I think Abaddon is just like Alpert. He is just manipulating events for the island. Not the future/present/future Walt.

but why would abaddon tell naomi that there would be no survivors of oceanic 815, if he was walt?

but why would abaddon tell naomi that there would be no survivors of oceanic 815, if he was walt?

To keep the island secret perhaps? To protect it?

On DarkUfo's website someone mentioned this really cool idea. The way Abbadon was saying Mr Locke is the exact same walt used to address Locke. Is it possible that Abaddon is Walt from the future? Damon and Carlton have said that we will get resolution to Walt's story eventually. This seems like a cool way to do it.

That? Would be awesome.

While I do half way like the idea. I think the only "future Walt" is "Taller Ghost Walt". for now.

I understand they can't get actors that look exactly the same, but if this was what they planned to do with Abaddon, don't you think they'd chose an actor whose facial features aren't so drastically different from Walt's?

No everyone has it wrong Walt is really Rose after he got off the island but back on after he went back into time then got a sex change because he could not deal with the stress of his dad telling him that he killed people to get them off of the island.

In my opinion, this is just another one of those silly theories I question if it was posted just to get a response (I've done it before :sly:). I have seen so many of these "Person A=Person B from the past/future" which is one of the many reasons why I discredit these kind of theories.

Ah, the obligatory "these are two African-Americans must be related/the same person" thread that pops up every time. Seriously, people. African-Americans may be underrepresented on screen but that doesn't mean all those characters are related.But hey, if the story calls for a grown up Walt, it would be kinda dumb to cast a Caucasian, Asian, Native American, Middle Eastern , etc actor, now wouldn't it?

It was chiefly the "Mr. Locke" that occasioned this theory. That one cannot have such a theory for fear of being accused of racism is... well..... racist.

Aside from the fact that, to me, Abaddon will always be Daniels (The Wire), I like this idea and think the look of adoring admiration along with the "Mr. Locke" makes it an extremely good catch. Walt was, after all, "special", right? That's what I seem to recall, anyway.

Michaels father?

But hey, if the story calls for a grown up Walt, it would be kinda dumb to cast a Caucasian, Asian, Native American, Middle Eastern , etc actor, now wouldn't it?

It was chiefly the "Mr. Locke" that occasioned this theory. That one cannot have such a theory for fear of being accused of racism is... well..... racist.

Aside from the fact that, to me, Abaddon will always be Daniels (The Wire), I like this idea and think the look of adoring admiration along with the "Mr. Locke" makes it an extremely good catch. Walt was, after all, "special", right? That's what I seem to recall, anyway.
Whoa there fella, no one accused anyone of being racist. Just naive.

And what if it is Walt, I personally don't think it is, but you really do never know. I don't understand why people are so quick to dismiss the idea as naive or racist, when it's just a theory. I really don't think it's Walt.

Whoa there fella, no one accused anyone of being racist. Just naive.
First, I am neither a "fella" nor am I a horse.

Naive? It's a TV show! Someone WRITES it! There is a "smoke" monster, a one-eyed Russian who won't die, a man who never ages, an island with a will of its own that performs miracle healings and people waking up in the middle of the dessert after they've "jumped through time".

That it is so common to make light of others and their thoughts with haughty adjectives like "naive" reflects poorly on the forum and the show in general. Whether Abbadon is Walt is hardly the point, the "Mr. Locke" is a good catch and no more naive than any other observation.

The way he continually said "Mr.Locke" immediately reminded me of Walt, however when the writers choose to cast an actor as a younger version of an older lead (young locke, for example) they try to find someone with a similar facial structure and build. Abaddon does not look anything like Walt.

While it was an eerie coincidence, I doubt it's anything more than that.

I dig the idea that he could be Walt, however, Abaddon has a trace of an accent. I didn't catch it at first. Did anyone else pick up on it?

I dig the idea that he could be Walt, however, Abaddon has a trace of an accent. I didn't catch it at first. Did anyone else pick up on it?Well, the actor is familiar to any fan of "The Wire" for his portrayal of Cedric Daniels, a straight-laced and straight-faced, rather stiff Detective and District Commander in Baltimore. The actor, Lance Reddick, is actually a native Baltimorian. He does, however, have a distinctive speech pattern, but it's not a Baltimore accent. It's my home town, so I can say that with confidence, lol. He sounds exactly like he did playing a Baltimore detective, so I don't think we're meant to hear an accent.

I do get why you say that though. His speech is somewhat unusual.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0714698/bio

I lean towards Abbadon being the dead-kid ghost that Miles talks to, but from a different time loop where the kid doesn't die; and Miles is a young Marvin Candle time traveling back to talk to him and can jump between time loops so Miles will tell Locke about Abbadon and Locke will time travel to see Miles grown up and be Candle and then the two of them will time travel to the 70s to film the DI orientation videos and Locke is the one holding the camera and that's why he's so drawn to those videos in season 2, because he's the one filming them in the future but in the past because it's time travel!


good job. i'm gonna go ahead and semi-getbehind this theory. just because it would cover alot of holes in the story.

I agree, not an accent just a certain way of speaking. I still don't think he is Walt though.

The guy who plays Abaddon has some serious liver disease. His eyes are yellow! He should get that checked out.

The guy who plays Abaddon has some serious liver disease. His eyes are yellow! He should get that checked out.
OOkay, if you say so. (maybe he ties into "Supernatural" and the Yellow-eyed Demon)

At any rate......

As far as his being Walt, I am not leaning as much in that direction as to his "Mr. Locke" having some connection to Walt. Abbadon, did, after all, get around. It is not inconceivable that he'd have contacted Walt at some point.

As I said, the reference is a good catch. It may, indeed, hold major significance. I, for some reason, really like it. Good Job to our OP, who is in no way either naive or silly in MY book.

Although I can't say that I'm sure that Abbadon is Walt, I do have to admit that Walt was on my mind after seeing Locke play backgammon in this episode.

This theory would be cool, except the guy who plays abbadon looks nothing walt besides being the same race and gender. Plus plenty of characters including Tom have called Locke "Mr. Locke."

Also adding to my skepticism is that so far not one of these "this guy = this guy" theories has ever come to fruition on the show. We shall see

Ah, the obligatory "these are two African-Americans must be related/the same person" thread that pops up every time. Seriously, people. African-Americans may be underrepresented on screen but that doesn't mean all those characters are related.


Ha. Why not, it would appear that all the white characters are becoming interwoven.... why shouldn't the black characters??