who is his sister.....

he did that so well, great acting in that scene. A pity Claire's mother's accent had to be almost cartoonishly Aussie.

Heartbreaking scene, well acted, the look he gives toward Kate and Aaron. Dang...

But does he tell Kate?

The only really good thing about this episode, IMO. My question is......Did Kate hear and does she now know?

That was a great scene by MF, so sad. I guess that was the start of his downward spiral right there.

Todd, I was wondering the same thing; did Kate hear?

Also, knowing that Claire his his sister is probably one of the main reasons he wants to 'GO BAAAAACCCKKK'.

I would presume Kate heard.

Hopefully they won't try the whole sitcom tactic where people have a loud conversation and somehow those one room away in a small apartment don't hear a word. That's always bugged me!

Great scene, by the way.

Looks like Jack has a reason to go back now. Now if we could figure out what the other O6 reasons are.

Anybody think they will ALL want to go back at some point?

I think this may be a big factor in the Jack-going-nuts and wanting to get back to the island deal.

Stunning scene. I don't think Kate heard. Most people don't listen in on a conversation unless they have a reason. I think they want us to think she was too focused on Aaron. They'd have shown a reaction shot if they wanted us to think she knows. If they wanted us to be certain. Just my gut reaction. I could, of course, be wrong.

I suspect that he doesn't believe Claire's mom for some time. We'll see other connections before Jack fully believes.

Amazing scene. I don't think Kate heard because she barely reacted.

I loved the scene too. I'm sure Kate finds out about Claire being his 1/2 sis eventually.

That was gutting. That look he gave Aaron... ouch. Foxy is so good with those kinds of scenes.

The only really good thing about this episode, IMO. My question is......Did Kate hear and does she now know?

I don't think she knows right now - she would have reacted more strongly I think. But I think she does know by the end of Eggtown, because of her line about understanding why Jack doesn't want to see the baby.

That was a great scene by MF, so sad. I guess that was the start of his downward spiral right there.

Definitely. Jack wanting to go back makes a ton more sense now.

I also liked that Claire's mom stopped and made a comment to Kate about Aaron being beautiful or something like that, not realizing that she was looking at her grandson. A nice little touch by the writers.

Stunning scene. I don't think Kate heard. Most people don't listen in on a conversation unless they have a reason. I think they want us to think she was too focused on Aaron. They'd have shown a reaction shot if they wanted us to think she knows. If they wanted us to be certain. Just my gut reaction. I could, of course, be wrong.

Agree. If she was supposed to hear, the writers would have had her involved in the conversation.

I suspect that he doesn't believe Claire's mom for some time. We'll see other connections before Jack fully believes.

Perhaps he has another moment with Christian...like the one interupted during the smoke alarm.

I also liked that Claire's mom stopped and made a comment to Kate about Aaron being beautiful or something like that, not realizing that she was looking at her grandson. A nice little touch by the writers.

That whole scene was awesome. Makes me wonder what type of miracle gave Claire's mom her ability to break out of the coma. Will Jack tell her that Claire is still alive? Is she still alive?

Next season's gonna rock.

It all makes sense now... all the way back to S1 E1.

That was cool.

Looks like Jack has a reason to go back now. Now if we could figure out what the other O6 reasons are.

Anybody think they will ALL want to go back at some point?

That's what I assume (but we all know what assume does!) but Kate just seems so grounded right now. I wonder if having Aaron is having some type of calming affect on her, since he is so "special"?

What I don't understand though is WHY does it take him two years before he wants to go back. Jack just seemed a little too detached or cavalier (those aren't the best words to convey what I mean, but it's late, brain is tired) in the FFs - too "comfortable" with the fact that they just seemed to leave everyone else behind (whether dead or alive). Why does it take him so long?

And I'm only singling out Jack on this since he always felt so personally responsible for getting everyone rescued.

What I don't understand though is WHY does it take him two years before he wants to go back. Jack just seemed a little too detached or cavalier (those aren't the best words to convey what I mean, but it's late, brain is tired) in the FFs - too "comfortable" with the fact that they just seemed to leave everyone else behind (whether dead or alive). Why does it take him so long?

And I'm only singling out Jack on this since he always felt so personally responsible for getting everyone rescued.

Good point! Jack even says to Hurley at Santa Rosa that "We're never going back!!". I think it took him 2 years is because Christian started visiting him and probably told him Claire is still alive on The Island and Aaron needs to be returned. Just a guess though........

rove, I don't know why it takes him 2 years. Denial? Hope that things will work out with Kate? I don't know.

What an amazing scene. So hearbreaking. Kate definitely didn't hear or she would have looked shocked as well. And she might have acted conflicted about the mum making the comment about Aaron, knowing that she's the grandmother.

I think Kate was being polite and not listening, since she figured it was something private having to do with Jack's father (which it was, actually).

That was an absolutely terrific scene! MF was heart wrenching!

rove, I don't know why it takes him 2 years. Denial? Hope that things will work out with Kate? I don't know.

What an amazing scene. So hearbreaking. Kate definitely didn't hear or she would have looked shocked as well. And she might have acted conflicted about the mum making the comment about Aaron, knowing that she's the grandmother.

I think Kate was being polite and not listening, since she figured it was something private having to do with Jack's father (which it was, actually).


I agree totally. I am wondering if Jack tells Kate? If his Mom does not know he might keep it to himself to protect her. His guilt and the burden of carrying a secret he feels he can not share is what will destroy him.

rove, I don't know why it takes him 2 years. Denial? Hope that things will work out with Kate? I don't know.

What an amazing scene. So hearbreaking. Kate definitely didn't hear or she would have looked shocked as well. And she might have acted conflicted about the mum making the comment about Aaron, knowing that she's the grandmother.

I think Kate was being polite and not listening, since she figured it was something private having to do with Jack's father (which it was, actually).

OK, I just rewatched that scene because the first time I watched it I thought there was some type of reaction from Kate, and there is. When Claire's mother walks away from Jack and walks to Kate, Kate is facing way from Jack and has to turn around when Claire's mother speaks to her. At this moment, Kate shows no signs of knowing. However, when Claire's mom walks away, Jack looks to Kate and when Kate looks at Jack, she has the same expression as Jack has on his face. A look of wonder and shock. I mean, not an OMGWTF!!! look, but Jack didn't have that look either. Kate and Jack look at each other very similarly. Or is she just responding to the look on Jack's face? I'm just not sure........

OK, I just rewatched that scene because the first time I watched it I thought there was some type of reaction from Kate, and there is. When Claire's mother walks away from Jack and walks to Kate, Kate is facing way from Jack and has to turn around when Claire's mother speaks to her. At this moment, Kate shows no signs of knowing. However, when Claire's mom walks away, Jack looks to Kate and when Kate looks at Jack, she has the same expression as Jack has on his face. A look of wonder and shock. I mean, not an OMGWTF!!! look, but Jack didn't have that look either. Kate and Jack look at each other very similarly. Or is she just responding to the look on Jack's face? I'm just not sure........

I really think she is just responding to Jack's hearbreaking look.

What I don't understand though is WHY does it take him two years before he wants to go back. because Claire is not the end all motivating factor in having to go back.......
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who is his sister.....
But does he tell Kate?
Todd, I was wondering the same thing; did Kate hear?

Also, knowing that Claire his his sister is probably one of the main reasons he wants to 'GO BAAAAACCCKKK'.



I thought this was a fantastic scene! Very well acted by all parties but I don't think at this stage that it's the impetus for Jack wanting to go back.
It was really hard to tell whether Kate heard or not and I have a feeling he ends up, at least for a while, maybe even after TTLG, not telling her.

Brilliant scene. I was not expecting Claire's mom to be the one that tells Jack that he has a sister. That was a surprise for me. Great acting by Matthew and very heartbreaking.

The whole scene was sad: Jack realizing he left his sister behind (dead or alive) and that he has a nephew he can't claim, Claire's mother not knowing the truth about her daughter or her grandson, Kate clinging to a child she won't possibly be able to keep.

Oh the tangled webs we weave...

That scene was incredible. Great acting by MF. In fact, my wife who doesn't faithfully watch the show said she got goosebumps during that scene. Surely it plays a roll in Jack's break-down.

He certainly seems to want nothing to do with Aaron after that, shown after Kate's trial, though we know he later relents.

I thought this was a fantastic scene! Very well acted by all parties but I don't think at this stage that it's the impetus for Jack wanting to go back.
It was really hard to tell whether Kate heard or not and I have a feeling he ends up, at least for a while, maybe even after TTLG, not telling her.

I think maybe he does end up telling her. Remember in Eggtown when Kate tells Jack she "gets" why he doesn't want to see Aaron? I think by that time she knows.

One of my favorite scenes of this great episode. Well written scene that really worked, even though we all knew we'd eventually see such a scene. Great job by Matthew Fox--loved the hand-to-the-head action. A very moving scene.

I have to say it again, the acting was superb, you see Jack's mind racing with the idea that one of the Losties was his sister, running through all the women he knew, and then when he hears it's Claire, there's a visible *crash* in his body language and emotion. Then at the end of the scene he looks over to Aaron and... brilliantly done. I've not been a huge fan of Fox's acting, I felt like he got into this over-wrought rut, but this was so good.

He was nothing short of perfect, as always.

I also liked that Claire's mom stopped and made a comment to Kate about Aaron being beautiful or something like that, not realizing that she was looking at her grandson. A nice little touch by the writers.

Something about the way she looked at Aaron, and that whole interaction made me wonder if somehow she *did* know... or have some sort of intuition that all was not as it seemed. I don't know.... maybe it's just me... did anyone else think so?

I think maybe he does end up telling her. Remember in Eggtown when Kate tells Jack she "gets" why he doesn't want to see Aaron? I think by that time she knows.

I think she does. There's also the scene in SNBH where Jack and Kate are talking about Aaron and he says to Kate, "You say that as if you're actually related to him!", the emphasis seemingly emphasizing that Jack *is* related to him.

I wonder what reason Jack and Kate will use to keep Aaron from ever meeting his grandmother. Is it because they have to maintain the lie about the other survivors?

Something about the way she looked at Aaron, and that whole interaction made me wonder if somehow she *did* know... or have some sort of intuition that all was not as it seemed. I don't know.... maybe it's just me... did anyone else think so?


I definitely thought Claire's mother knew that the baby is her grandson. It was the look just as she finished her sentence, just before she walks away. More than likely, Aaron looks much like Claire did when she was "5 weeks old."

I was close to tears during that scene. To not be able to bury his father, find out his father had had an affair, only to be told that Claire is/was his half-sister as a result of that affair.....Yes, definitely a body *crash* and MF did a great job. It was just the right touch, very nuanced. What a secret to bear!

I know that there

Has been a ton of speculation about Claire and whether she will die or not. Does anyone think this scene "saves" her from a such a fate? Surely we need to see that scene of them being reunited?

Please?lol

I think this may be a big factor in the Jack-going-nuts and wanting to get back to the island deal.

It's just a Chinese drip at this point. But I can't wait to rewatch the scene where Christian haunts Jack months later because it will be even MORE powerful now and it's already one of my favorite moments in the show.

Jack finding closure from his father (and Christian finding closure from his life and his mistakes) has been a running theme since White Rabbit. "Where are you?" asks Jack, standing in his father's deserted hotel room. Then on the Island, he follows the white rabbit and finds his empty coffin. He breaks down from grief and anger and loss and helplessness at not being able to bury his father on the Island. Then he insists on burying the Marshal, the man he had to smother to death. And when he digs up his rotting body for a freakin' TOY, you can see how it affects him.

Sawyer tells him how his dad really felt about him in Exodus, but it's still not over for Jack until he finally gets to tell his father he loves him and misses him.

And then, aside from this burden of their lie, after he thought he got closure, he starts to see his dead father again. I just love their story. Christian and Jack have always fascinated me.

That whole scene was awesome. Makes me wonder what type of miracle gave Claire's mom her ability to break out of the coma.

I was thinking of Juliet's sister...

Will Jack tell her that Claire is still alive? Is she still alive?

On Island, Jack's reaction to Sawyer's "We lost her" kinda tells me he thinks she's dead. I think he'll leave the Island thinking Claire's dead, which is another reason why it was easier to be around Aaron up until that point.

because Claire is not the end all motivating factor in having to go back...

No, definitely not, but it's a reunion I will look forward to for two years. :D

And yes, Matthew Fox was SO good, he's been given some wonderful material with the flashforwards and he does it justice with every scene.

Is this scene online somewhere yet? On youtube? I need to watch it again right now! I just... GEEZ. The more I think about it, the more this becomes one of the best scenes on the show ever. It hurt.

Wonderful scene..MF was brilliant, And the whole "your baby is beautiful" when she's looking at her own grandson. :down:
Just on the point of Kate overhearing the conversation? That I'm not sure of, but the look Jack shoots her and Aaron after Claire's mum leaves..Well, lets just say she has to know something is up!!

Stunning scene. I don't think Kate heard. Most people don't listen in on a conversation unless they have a reason. I think they want us to think she was too focused on Aaron. They'd have shown a reaction shot if they wanted us to think she knows. If they wanted us to be certain. Just my gut reaction. I could, of course, be wrong.

They did have a reaction shot. He looked at her, she looked back at him and her eyes widened in that "Oh F***" look of hers. Not the dear in the headlights one, the "oh you saw me take that key from the Marshall's wallet?" look.

But does he tell Kate?
This is what I want to know.

After re-watching the scene.. several times.. I can definitely say that Kate did NOT overhear what Carole Littleton told Jack (IMO). Once she was done talking to Jack the camera panned to Kate holding Aaron and she was looking off to the side without a care in the World and as soon as she saw Carole she smiled widely... definitely not the reactions of a woman that just heard she's stealing a baby from her Grandma.

What a great scene.
I don't think Kate heard but I think Jack does tell her.
The look on Jack's face was unbelievable. Great acting

I think her line in Eggtown, "I know why you don't want to see the baby" suggests that Kate knows Aaron is Jack's nephew, which makes their attempt at playing house with the boy that much more disturbing. I realize they probably were just trying to make the best of a horrible situation, but it felt creepy while I was watching it, my initial reaction was "look, Jack can't bring himself to show that child any kind of real affection, this is sooooooooo messed up" and sure enough..........he sabotaged what he had going on because it is just too messed up for him to deal with and if his own guilt weren't enough to convince him of that, Charlie and Christian weren't about to let him be okay with it either.

That was a great scene though. Kudos to MF for making it so believeable it hurt.

I agree with all....stunning, heartbreaking scene that shook me to the core. The expression in his eyes as he looks at Aaron....WOW.

I do have to rewatch the scene, but at the time I assumed Kate did hear everything.I have to say it again, the acting was superb, you see Jack's mind racing with the idea that one of the Losties was his sister, running through all the women he knew, and then when he hears it's Claire, there's a visible *crash* in his body language and emotion. Then at the end of the scene he looks over to Aaron and... brilliantly done. I've not been a huge fan of Fox's acting, I felt like he got into this over-wrought rut, but this was so good.Ditto!

Brilliant scene. I agree with those who say that Kate didn't overhear, but Jack told her later. The material in Eggtown and SNBH is convincing.

I'm now leaning heavily toward Jack saying "I'm sorry" to Claire just as he is about to jump off the bridge. Maybe Christian's haunting of him gets more specific, reminding him or goading him about the fact that he left his sister behind.

That would kinda make ghost!Christian a big hypocrite since the reason Claire never made it to the beach was because he... did whatever he did to her to get her to follow him. Claire followed Hurley with Locke, there was nothing Jack could do about it and the rest is ghost!Christian.

It looked like he was gonna pass out!!!

That would kinda make ghost!Christian a big hypocrite since the reason Claire never made it to the beach was because he... did whatever he did to her to get her to follow him. Claire followed Hurley with Locke, there was nothing Jack could do about it and the rest is ghost!Christian.

That's true but you know Jack. He will feel responsible anyway.

Now that we know that Claire's mom is alive I am really starting to have a much harder time being okay with this whole Kate-has-Aaron thing. I know that the big O6 lie had already been "put out there" by the time Jack finds out that Claire was his sister, that Aaron is his nephew, and that he has a living grandmother. They couldn't take it back at that point. My question is: why did they have to come up with a lie about Kate being Aaron's mother in the first place? Why not just say that his mother died on the island during or shortly after giving birth? That way Aaron would have gone to his next of kin after he was rescued, which would be his grandmother since Jack cannot openly acknowledge him. Why would "they" (whoever made up the lie) just assume that Claire had no living relatives who would be able to take Aaron? Why Kate?

I wonder what reason Jack and Kate will use to keep Aaron from ever meeting his grandmother. Is it because they have to maintain the lie about the other survivors?

keeping up the lie is definately weighing much heavier than keeping Aaron from his grandmother.

Looks like Jack has a reason to go back now. Now if we could figure out what the other O6 reasons are.
Well, not yet. It was still a lot later that he told Hurley, "we're never going back."

Anybody think they will ALL want to go back at some point?
I would assume so.

That's true but you know Jack. He will feel responsible anyway.

Now that we know that Claire's mom is alive I am really starting to have a much harder time being okay with this whole Kate-has-Aaron thing. I know that the big O6 lie had already been "put out there" by the time Jack finds out that Claire was his sister, that Aaron is his nephew, and that he has a living grandmother. They couldn't take it back at that point. My question is: why did they have to come up with a lie about Kate being Aaron's mother in the first place? Why not just say that his mother died on the island during or shortly after giving birth? That way Aaron would have gone to his next of kin after he was rescued, which would be his grandmother since Jack cannot openly acknowledge him. Why would "they" (whoever made up the lie) just assume that Claire had no living relatives who would be able to take Aaron? Why Kate?

Thats the million $ question, hopefully we'll find out before the season ends. But I do agree with you on the whole Kate raising Aaron thing. I've never liked it & I like it even less now that we know Claire's mother is still alive. Her daughter is "dead" and she has no idea that her grandson even exsists, let alone that he is been raised by another person..

Brilliant scene. I agree with those who say that Kate didn't overhear, but Jack told her later. The material in Eggtown and SNBH is convincing.

I'm now leaning heavily toward Jack saying "I'm sorry" to Claire just as he is about to jump off the bridge. Maybe Christian's haunting of him gets more specific, reminding him or goading him about the fact that he left his sister behind.

I forgot about the "I'm sorry." I lean towards him being sorry for everything -- especially calling the freighter.

Such a perfection.
Matthew Fox nailed this scene. He was brilliant. Give this guy an Emmy already! :biggrin:

Powerful scene. Even more intense than the one in season 1 where Sawyer relays Christian's last words to Jack.

Matthew Fox was just brilliant in that scene. When she says Claire's name the shock of it is so great, and yet Jack can't show his reaction without betraying their whole fabricated story. He touches his head as a reined-in substitute for his trademark walking away for a few seconds to gather his reaction. Here the weight of what the Big Lie is costing them just became a hundred times greater.
OK, I just rewatched that scene because the first time I watched it I thought there was some type of reaction from Kate, and there is. When Claire's mother walks away from Jack and walks to Kate, Kate is facing way from Jack and has to turn around when Claire's mother speaks to her. At this moment, Kate shows no signs of knowing. However, when Claire's mom walks away, Jack looks to Kate and when Kate looks at Jack, she has the same expression as Jack has on his face. A look of wonder and shock. I mean, not an OMGWTF!!! look, but Jack didn't have that look either. Kate and Jack look at each other very similarly. Or is she just responding to the look on Jack's face? I'm just not sure........
I don't think Kate heard the conversation although she could tell it was something grave. Her expression just seems to be responding to Jack's. Kate has a usual "stunned and shocked" expression and this was not it.

I'm sure he tells Kate, based on her comments in Eggtown about knowing why he doesn't want to see the baby.

I also liked that Claire's mom stopped and made a comment to Kate about Aaron being beautiful or something like that, not realizing that she was looking at her grandson. A nice little touch by the writers. What irony, what magnificent irony.

That was an absolutely terrific scene! MF was heart wrenching!

Yeah man, definitely one of my favorite scenes. Never seen MF in anything before this show, but he's definitely a great actor.

Matthew Fox was just brilliant in that scene. When she says Claire's name the shock of it is so great, and yet Jack can't show his reaction without betraying their whole fabricated story. He touches his head as a reined-in substitute for his trademark walking away for a few seconds to gather his reaction. Here the weight of what the Big Lie is costing them just became a hundred times greater.

I don't think Kate heard the conversation although she could tell it was something grave. Her expression just seems to be responding to Jack's. Kate has a usual "stunned and shocked" expression and this was not it.

I'm sure he tells Kate, based on her comments in Eggtown about knowing why he doesn't want to see the baby.

What irony, what magnificent irony.

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Ya said it Mom! :biggrin:

I couldn't get past the horrible supposed aussie accent from the mouth of claire's mum. Ruined it for me. :ohwell:

I'm so glad that the truth came out. I'm actually really surprised that Jack learned about Claire being his half-sister so soon.

I agree that I don't think Kate overheard everything, but that Jack did tell her. The conversation in Eggtown makes more sense, and the "you're not even related to him" comment is even more powerful if Kate knows the truth.

Stand ten to twelve feet away from two people having a regular toned conversation in a large room like a church would be and see if you can clearly hear. Usually people talk at a lower volume in churches, in my experience anyway.

Stand ten to twelve feet away from two people having a regular toned conversation in a large room like a church would be and see if you can clearly hear. Usually people talk at a lower volume in churches, in my experience anyway.
That's the practical side of it perhaps but I think the intention was that she didn't hear, she showed no signs of having heard news like that, it would have shocked her too, finding out that she was holding Jack's step brother. Plus, even a production like Lost would have explicitly suggested she overheard with a quick cutaway or by having Kate looked shocked. Nothing changed on her face at the end of that scene except she looked concerned and questioning because of Jack's obvious reaction.

That's the practical side of it perhaps but I think the intention was that she didn't hear, she showed no signs of having heard news like that, it would have shocked her too, finding out that she was holding Jack's step brother. Plus, even a production like Lost would have explicitly suggested she overheard with a quick cutaway or by having Kate looked shocked. Nothing changed on her face at the end of that scene except she looked concerned and questioning because of Jack's obvious reaction.

Actually she's holding Jack's half-nephew and I agree she didn't hear, but I think he tells her at some point because she seems to know why he doesn't want to be around Aaron in Eggtown.

Oops, yeah, nephew. And I suspect that Jack tells her straight afterwards, but yes, she obviously knows by Eggtown.

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Here is Kate after. I do think her expression could indicate she heard.

Hehe, I disagree, she just looks concerned in those pictures.

Regardless, it's a rather silly thing to debate since there is no way we'll ever know the real answer and we know she finds out, one way or another, because she's fully aware by Eggtown.

i started a thread way back as to why jack didnt want to see aron, but nobody really thought it had any validity. he couldnt get over what his father did, and aron was just a reminder.

The BIG LIE -- the question was posted earlier, I think in #55, as to why they had to say that the baby was Kate's. Why couldn't they have just told a semi-truth that the baby's mother died on the island (they did have two other's that survived). If they had done this, Jack could have been able to assert his role as uncle (as long as he was OK with his mother knowing about Christian's affair, though I suspect she was no dummy about that.)

I think that part of why Jack can't see Kate and Aaron in Eggtown is that he is also angry at Kate for faking mothership of the baby - was she part of the planning of the lie? Had he tried to tell the truth about Aaron.

So many things now to weigh down on Jack.

Oh, yeah, terrific acting !

I believe that Kate stepped away a discreet distance and cranked her ears out a notch so that she could hear the whole discussion. She wants to know what this strange woman has to say, and she knows that Jack is the "hold things in until I explode all over you" kind of guy.

She knows.

i started a thread way back as to why jack didnt want to see aron, but nobody really thought it had any validity. he couldnt get over what his father did, and aron was just a reminder.

They had just had a funeral for his father and he thought he was finally able to bury his father and the news of betrayal was a very big blow for him, compounded with the revelation that Claire happens to be his half-sister , also having gone missing before they were rescued and now here is Aaron, in front of him, his nephew.....He was feeling very overwhelmed. Knowing that one of the major things that Jack does not tolerate is being lied to, the news is not going to be received very lightly and it just adds to his scars that are already very, very deep. For Jack, it will take a while for it to heal, which is part of his very, very long journey to redemption.

Just my $.02 worth.

that was an incredible scene!
its definitly one of my fav scenes in this season... Matthew Fox did an amazing job :clap:


btw- i think kate didnt hear anything but when she noticed the look on jack's face she realized that something was wrong...
but we know that jack will tell everything to Kate at some point coz in Eggtown she said "i know why you dont wanna see the baby"... so she knows

Matthew Fox has received a lot of praise over that scene in the various reviews of the episode and in various blogs. It was pretty powerful and came across that way. You could almost feel yourself crumbling right along with him.

So now I guess the question is does Jack avoid Aaron because of the new set of daddy issues this brings up or is it just too much guilt for him to face on a daily basis, knowing he had a sister and left her behind on that island and to make it worse he's passing her son off as somebody else's child.

It seems up to the funeral that Jack and Kate were in close contact. I'm not sure if they were having a relationship at that point or not. But, if Jack suddenly cut off contact with Aaron, or at least started creating a distance, it seems that Kate would know why. And I would think that this sudden knowledge of who Claire and Aaron are in relation to Jack would play a big part in this. My guess is that she heard at least the gist of the conversation. If she didn't, I would guess Jack told her pretty quickly.

I think a great writing twist would be that Jack would have had the option to choose Claire or one of the other O6 to leave the island in the finale. If that happens, that scene becomes even more awesome.

I think this may be a big factor in the Jack-going-nuts and wanting to get back to the island deal.

Yeah...I think so too.

I've pointed this out a few times at the Spoiler boards, but no one agreed with me :P

I agree that Jack wants to go back to the Island for Claire. Cause what else would he want to go back for, really?

Please, it's Kate. She was eavesdropping, it's what she does. She heard. I could tell as soon as Carol walked away that Kate knew.

I just hate how Kate has the baby. Arg.

I think a great writing twist would be that Jack would have had the option to choose Claire or one of the other O6 to leave the island in the finale. If that happens, that scene becomes even more awesome.

Yes, that would make that scene even more powerful. I don't think that Jack "chooses" anyone, but it's more along the lines that a decision has to be made with very little time. Claire is missing........a decision has to be made.......look for her or get off the Island. Jack chooses to leave (for reasons yet unknown, I'm a Jack fan so I'm not bashing him at all) while Sawyer chooses to stay and look for Claire. It would also explain Jack's line in SNBH when he told Kate that it was Sawyer's choice to stay.

Please, it's Kate. She was eavesdropping, it's what she does. She heard. I could tell as soon as Carol walked away that Kate knew.

I just hate how Kate has the baby. Arg.


im a little annoyed with her obsession for Aaron and i hate the fact that we dont have any idea what happened to Claire :frown:
but i watched that scene again and im sure she didnt hear anything... she has a "whats going on?" face when she noticed the look on Jack's face... if she heard the convo im sure she would be shocked and she didnt have that look on her face.:undecide:

but obviously jack's gonna tell her coz she knew the whole story in Eggtown :)

Brilliant acting! Heartwrenching!
Kate KNOWS for sure no doubt...how nuch she heard I can't be sure of.She may have just heard "your father was having an affair".But I'm betting she knows.
Kate's likely to look a
tornado in the eye without flinching after what she's been through...
She simply held it together for the baby's sake.:cool: