Ok I actually kinda felt bad for her. But I woulda thought Kevin might have been there, or Sam?? :confused:

Is Sam the guy she considers her father. remembering she never considered Wayne her father, perhaps Sam is in Iraq.

no that was a Sayid FB her dad wasn't in Iraq because she went to see him after she killed Wayne and he gave her an hour.

I think the reason they had her "father" absent was their might a slight chance he and Sayid would recognize each other from their breif ride together. And maybe the writers thought there would not be enough time to expand on that or that it might seem too much for an episode that features Jack's reveal that Claire is his sister.

No One There For Kate


.................................................. ................................except for Aaron.

Yeah truly, this shows how Kate comes to latch on to Aaron like no one else. She's the only one she's really got.

That part was indeed sad. If only Sawyer had been there. They could have been alone together. I couldn't help but think she was thinking of him. But that's my shipper side coming out.

I think they just wanted to emphasise why Kate is so clingy to Claire's biological son, because she really has no one in the world. It isn't true, because Sam should have been there, since it is essential to her character that she has this very black/white father figure system in her life (which has long been debated to be the reasoning behind that silly triangle, which is so essential to her development).
It was an attempt to give her character pity, seeing as she is so detested in fandom.

I feel so bad for her!:frown:

It was sad. I also got the feeling that maybe she was looking around, half expecting someone from law enforcement to show up. Maybe?

I was a little surprised Sgt Austen wasn't there.... but he could have been redeployed or something. We all know Diane's a fatally inflicted hypochondriac. :rolleyes:

Or at least her black horse...

That was sad. Just like Sawyer told her in 'The Economist'. She has nothing to go back for except for a pair of handcuffs. Well, she has Jack and Aaron, but the gist of it is still true.

I really wanted someone from the O6 to grab her and take her to their families. Like Hurley did for Sayid.

I thought she was looking for Sam. I felt awful for her and kept waiting for Jack or Hurley to introduce her and Aaron but no one did.

I think she was just looking for ANYONE in her life that was a friendly face. All the homecoming going on around her just reinforces how alone in the world she is now. Which could be right where TPTB want her... Alone and vulnerable and not likely to "spill the beans" or she will lose Aaron or the Losties left behind will be killed.

I feel so bad for her!:frown:

I didn't feel bad for her. Am I bad person for saying that? Sorry but I'm just not a Kate fan. I'm not a Jack fan either. I don't feel bad for him. I'd say that they deserve each other but Jack doesn't handle relationships too well and Kate can't let go of Sawyer.

I did feel bad for her even though I'm not a huge fan.

Anyone else find it ironic that the reporter asked her if she had been 6 months pregnant when she'd been apprehended - just as Locke's mother, Emily, had been 6 months when she gave birth?

Kate has nobody because she's alienated everyone in her life. She blew up her father, blew up her mom's husband and home, endangered her stepfather's career, lied to and drugged her husband, got her childhood friend killed, ran the Australian farmer off the road . . . .

Well, Cassidy might still be on speaking terms, even though she too was endangered by Kate's unreasonable demands.

I loved it that Sayid had no family or friend to greet him, but then got a nice warm hug from Carmen . . . and Kate didn't.

I thought she was relieved there was no-one there. She was looking round in apprehension more than anything else.

I did feel bad for her even though I'm not a huge fan.

Anyone else find it ironic that the reporter asked her if she had been 6 months pregnant when she'd been apprehended - just as Locke's mother, Emily, had been 6 months when she gave birth?

In retrospect, I think part of the point of the Locke flashback and his flat-tummy mom was to plant the idea that one could be far enough along to give birth but not be showing.

I didn't feel sorry for her, but wondered why Hurley didn't grab her right along with Sayid.........well, no I didn't really wonder because we're suppose to feel sympathy for her in that moment. Didn't work on me though.

It reminded me of that scene in Tom Sawyer ( Tom and Sawyer *chuckles*) in which the boys after having believed to be drowned..show up at their own funeral crying at their eulogy...and Huck Finn, has no one there to greet him.

I always thought that was one of the most interesting points in that book.

no that was a Sayid FB her dad wasn't in Iraq because she went to see him after she killed Wayne and he gave her an hour.

I think she saw Sam before he went to Iraq. I think the first Gulf war was in 1992. The plane crash was in 1994, and Kate the FBI agent said he'd been chasing her for 3 years.

So I think it makes sense that Sam must still be stationed in Iraq, because I'm sure he'd want to be there if he could.

I felt very sad for her. I couldn't help comparing that scene with the homecoming to the beach in S3, when she and Sawyer shared that heartfelt hug. I can't help feeling she's left "home" back on the island in the person of Sawyer, but she just hasn't quite figured that out yet. JMO, of course.

I think she saw Sam before he went to Iraq. I think the first Gulf war was in 1992. The plane crash was in 1994, and Kate the FBI agent said he'd been chasing her for 3 years.

So I think it makes sense that Sam must still be stationed in Iraq, because I'm sure he'd want to be there if he could.

Sorry, but your chronology is way off. Gulf War I was in 1991. That's when Sam met Sayid and showed him the picture of his junior-high-school-age daughter (EL's real picture, BTW).

When Kate went to see Sam after the murder, I believe about three years before the crash (which would place it in 2001), Sam was working as a military recruiter. I think that's often the assignment they give to older NCOs. It's possible he would have been reassigned overseas after that, but seems unlikely.

The plane crashed on September 22, 2004.

I thought it was funny.

It was poignant,yes, and we can clearly see how she grabs Aaron more strongly. That is exactly the moment she got actually attached to the kid.

I was really surprised that Sam wasn't there. I really love the character. It would have been cool to see him connect with Sayid too - maybe Sam would have recognized Sayid's name when it got publicized? Anyway, other than a military situation, another reason Sam might not have been there is because in his mind, he had broken with Kate when she snuck in to his office to visit him. He basically disowned her by telling her that he didn't have murder in his heart like she did. :frown:

Even Diane could have been (although probably too sick), because she said in Eggtown that after the crash she realized she still loved Kate (or whatever her exact words were).
I thought she was relieved there was no-one there. She was looking round in apprehension more than anything else.
I hadn't thought of this, good call. Maybe she expected to be arrested immediately?

i had no sorrow-
she (at home) is a murdering thief-
the only person i expected to see 'grabbing' her were the authorities....
and the way hurley included sayid into his 'family' hug- and not her....

Ok I actually kinda felt bad for her. But I woulda thought Kevin might have been there, or Sam?? :confused:


Honestly . . . I didn't feel bad for her one whit.

I was really surprised that Sam wasn't there.

I hadn't thought of this, good call. Maybe she expected to be arrested immediately?

Good ideas on this..I wondered why her cop husband (Kevin, right?) that truly loved her was not there as well.

I put this together that may explain it.. She wasn't trying to fool anybody. In the news conference, a reporter asked about Kate's murder trial, being under arrest, etc. The Oceanic PR spokesperson quickly said "that's not being addressed here" or to that effect.

Easy answer...even if they wanted to be there to greet her, they are not allowed to. Standard procedure for a prisoner. They could have a gun or knife, whatever.

.the police/soldiers have her surrounded, are not letting anyone she knows near her that may try to help her escape. So basically, she's already under arrest, no one gets near her. The next time we see her, she's in a prison jumpsuit. She was likely taken into custody right after the news conference.

Good ideas on this..I wondered why her cop husband (Kevin, right?) that truly loved her was not there as well.

I put this together that may explain it.. She wasn't trying to fool anybody. In the news conference, a reporter asked about Kate's murder trial, being under arrest, etc. The Oceanic PR spokesperson quickly said "that's not being addressed here" or to that effect.

Easy answer...even if they wanted to be there to greet her, they are not allowed to.

.the police/soliders have her surrounded, are not letting anyone she knows near her that may try to help her escape. So basically, she's already under arrest, no one gets near her. The next time we see her, she's in a prison jumpsuit. She was likely taken into custody right after the news conference.

No she wasn't. She bought (or rented) a nice house, got a nanny, settled down. I think when Kate's bail was denied and she was handcuffed after the preliminary hearing, that was the first time she'd been in custody. They made a big deal of focusing on the handcuffs.

I didn't feel bad for her, but I really dislike the character. It would have been much more realistic for US Marshalls to be waiting for her.

I am surpirsed federal marshall's weren't there for her. She had been under arrest. I don't know of any law that says in the face of personal tradgedy all sins are forgiven. she should have been taken into custody on the spot, baby goes into foster care and that is that. It happens all the time in the real world. babies are not insulation from criminal liabiltiy.

I am surpirsed federal marshall's weren't there for her. She had been under arrest. I don't know of any law that says in the face of personal tradgedy all sins are forgiven. she should have been taken into custody on the spot, baby goes into foster care and that is that. It happens all the time in the real world. babies are not insulation from criminal liabiltiy.
Yeah...I still don't understand why she wasn't immediately taken into custody. Although, I suppose it's very possible that she was arrested right after the press conference and then released. But I really don't understand why she was allowed to be free for so long before the trial unless she had "connections" as part of the Oceanic cover up.
A little off subject,I felt so bad for Claire's mother that she had no idea she was seeing her own grandchild at the funeral.

No she wasn't. She bought (or rented) a nice house, got a nanny, settled down. I think when Kate's bail was denied and she was handcuffed after the preliminary hearing, that was the first time she'd been in custody. They made a big deal of focusing on the handcuffs.

U R right.,i guess, I thought all that was after she had gone thru the first hearing when she was brought into court in the jumpsuit..??? Wasn't there a scene before that when she was in a jail interview room? Now I'm confused. but as said below U, it does not make any 'real world' sense.
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A little off subject,I felt so bad for Claire's mother that she had no idea she was seeing her own grandchild at the funeral.
She was pretty! Have we never seen her before? except just before the car accident, then in the coma? And did look like an older claire...good casting...and check the church thread...i think in the pic posted, she is sitting next to Christian himself. (4th row back wearing glasses)

I felt bad for Kate. TPTB really drove the point home when Hurley pulled Sayid over to meet Hurley's parents. I expected Jack to do something similar for Kate, but no dice.

Of course the other possibility is that she didn't give Oceanic a list of people to contact. When the rep came to tell Sayid about Nadia she told him that Nadia wasn't on the contact list. :shrug:

Oceanic was totally pimping the O6 (the spokeswoman said something like "O6 isn't our choice of branding, but oh well) so they probably manipulated their arrival so that Kate could appear at the news conference before her arrest. I dunno, criminal celebrities seem to get treated differently in RL so it didn't seem that unrealistic to me. The fact that the woman also took charge of a query about Kate's legal troubles indicates that Oceanic has an interest in her defense. Of course they want to see her exonerated so that they can cultivate her positive image for their own commercial gain.



It was an attempt to give her character pity, seeing as she is so detested in fandom.

Actually the Fuselage is the only place I've noticed such a knee-jerk bias against her, but there are also plenty of Kate fans on here as well.

I think the reason they had her "father" absent was their might a slight chance he and Sayid would recognize each other from their breif ride together. And maybe the writers thought there would not be enough time to expand on that or that it might seem too much for an episode that features Jack's reveal that Claire is his sister. Excellent point! And him being stationed somewhere far-off would be the plausible explanation.
I wouldn't think Sam had disowned her after she blew up Wayne, but he wasn't at her trial either so like the elusive Margo (who wasn't at Jack's wedding probably because Veronica Hamel wasn't available), some vague reason might be alluded to.

Yeah...I still don't understand why she wasn't immediately taken into custody. Although, I suppose it's very possible that she was arrested right after the press conference and then released. But I really don't understand why she was allowed to be free for so long before the trial unless she had "connections" as part of the Oceanic cover up.
A little off subject,I felt so bad for Claire's mother that she had no idea she was seeing her own grandchild at the funeral.

Oceanic was totally pimping the O6 (the spokeswoman said something like "O6 isn't our choice of branding, but oh well) so they probably manipulated their arrival so that Kate could appear at the news conference before her arrest. I dunno, criminal celebrities seem to get treated differently in RL so it didn't seem that unrealistic to me. The fact that the woman also took charge of a query about Kate's legal troubles indicates that Oceanic has an interest in her defense. Of course they want to see her exonerated so that they can cultivate her positive image for their own commercial gain.
Admiral Cain's The Oceanic rep's comments did seem to indicate that the legal process had already begun for her, and maybe the lawyers were able to keep her out of jail till that ET hearing.
In any case, back on the mainland she was moving around freely and was clearly spending time with Jack; letting Hurley know he was running late, waiting for him after the funeral, and so on, so her freedom of movement was not restricted.

In any case, back on the mainland she was moving around freely and was clearly spending time with Jack; letting Hurley know he was running late, waiting for him after the funeral, and so on, so her freedom of movement was not restricted.

And I find that odd, considering that she would be considered a high flight risk in the eyes of the law.


I've said it before and I'll say it again. Everything about Kate's off island story - aside from the breakup with Jack - seem badly written and contrived - the trial, the lie about her being Aaron's mom and the fact that she wasn't immediately arrested until AFTER the preliminary hearing.

I really wanted someone from the O6 to grab her and take her to their families. Like Hurley did for Sayid.

Flyer61055 mentioned that above, too, that was interesting that Hurley grabbed Sayid and introduced him to Mama Reyes and company, but left Kate standing there. (Mama Reyes would have probably gone all gaga over Aaron, too.) It didn't make me feel bad for Kate (I thought it was quite unrealistic that she wasn't immediately arrested), but just seemed so uncharacteristic for Hugo, who normally is so loving towards others.

Felaries65, it's called a "character shield." When fangirls do it in fanfiction writing, readers get upset. But never with Kate on LOST.

I would be there for her if I could!

Felaries65, it's called a "character shield." When fangirls do it in fanfiction writing, readers get upset. But never with Kate on LOST

I've encountered a lot of complaints about this "character sheilding" over Kate. I guess many do get upset it about with Kate.

I am surpirsed federal marshall's weren't there for her. She had been under arrest. I don't know of any law that says in the face of personal tradgedy all sins are forgiven. she should have been taken into custody on the spot, baby goes into foster care and that is that. It happens all the time in the real world. babies are not insulation from criminal liabiltiy.

Amen dammit!:buttrock9pq:

And I find that odd, considering that she would be considered a high flight risk in the eyes of the law.


I've said it before and I'll say it again. Everything about Kate's off island story - aside from the breakup with Jack - seem badly written and contrived - the trial, the lie about her being Aaron's mom and the fact that she wasn't immediately arrested until AFTER the preliminary hearing.

Lol, it's quite simply explained, really. Kate didn't get arrested straight off the plane because Lost exists in what I like to call 'Hollywood World'. Things don't work the same there, you see. Main characters don't get arrested or incarcerated the way they should, pilots decide to up and turn back for Fiji [and then somehow wind up over-flying Australia and ending up in Indonesia], one-eyed russians don't die properly [and neither does anyone with the last name Shephard, apparently], black plumes of smoke patrol about only when it's convenient, and if you've got an unwanted psuedo-military presence in your isolated tropical paradise, you just pack up your ISLAND and move.

:shrug: There's lots of things on Lost that we have to suspend disbelief for. One does that so they can enjoy the show and take in the story the writers are trying to tell. If the writers don't want reality to apply here, why should we doubt them? They're telling an engrossing story, and the few 'contrivances' can be well made up for with the big picture.

I really wanted someone from the O6 to grab her and take her to their families. Like Hurley did for Sayid.


Jack dropped the ball bigtime!
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Good ideas on this..I wondered why her cop husband (Kevin, right?) that truly loved her was not there as well.


She did marry that cop under an alias. However, even if her cop-ex didn't watch the news, I'm sure his friends would have used the O6 story to poke fun at him. I know my friends would.
All that said, the cop wasn't likely to have heard/seen anything until the story played out beyond the initial press conf. So that is another shoe yet to drop.

There's lots of things on Lost that we have to suspend disbelief for. One does that so they can enjoy the show and take in the story the writers are trying to tell. If the writers don't want reality to apply here, why should we doubt them?


I'm sorry. I can't buy that. It's like an excuse for bad writing.

Lol.... well then, I guess we've all got to put alot of faith in the writers, don't we? IMHO, they're not doing TOO bad a job. I do come back every week, crazy Island/FF/FB events and all.

Flyer61055 mentioned that above, too, that was interesting that Hurley grabbed Sayid and introduced him to Mama Reyes and company, but left Kate standing there. (Mama Reyes would have probably gone all gaga over Aaron, too.) It didn't make me feel bad for Kate (I thought it was quite unrealistic that she wasn't immediately arrested), but just seemed so uncharacteristic for Hugo, who normally is so loving towards others.

I rewatched the episode, and I think the focus on Kate standing alone was to show that she was looking for someone who didn't come - Sam, probably, or perhaps Kevin. She was looking out on the tarmac rather than to her fellow survivors. I imagine Hurley was certain no family of Sayid's would be there so he took him under his wing, but he probably thought some family would be there to greet Kate. And it was only for a few seconds. Another few moments and Hurley or Jack would have looked up from their reunions and brought her over.

I rewatched the episode, and I think the focus on Kate standing alone was to show that she was looking for someone who didn't come - Sam, probably, or perhaps Kevin. She was looking out on the tarmac rather than to her fellow survivors. I imagine Hurley was certain no family of Sayid's would be there so he took him under his wing, but he probably thought some family would be there to greet Kate. And it was only for a few seconds. Another few moments and Hurley or Jack would have looked up from their reunions and brought her over.

I agree Mom. I think it was to show us that Kate feels very alone in the off-island world as opposed to where she was on-island. The way she was clutching Aaron to her made me think that her future (next season) will deal a lot in how attached she is to Aaron - ie. not just regularly emotionally attached but, perhaps, unnaturally attached to the baby. He represents her chance to forget about her past and show that she's a good person and it would appear he's the only "constant" in her life for the entire period she's off the island.

When, or if, it comes down to giving the baby back to Claire, wow, that's gonna be a tearjerker.

There are some interesting connections with Kate and Aaron that I was thinking of.

One is, Kate's issues with her mother. She feels that her mother chose a man over her. That her mother chose her own happiness over the well-being of her daughter. That's how I always felt about it... I know that Kate admitted she killed Wayne because she hated that he was a part of her. But I don't think that discounts the idea of her feeling left behind by her mother, as if she was not the most important to her.

Another is that, the one parent she felt really did care for her was not her biological parent. It was her adoptive father. In What Kate Did, the way she acts around her father, and how she references him as her father (like in that conversation where she tells Jack they went hunting together)... you can tell that this man is the one she felt very close to and comforted and protected by as a father.

Now she herself is raising a child that is not hers biologically... and also I hope and pray that in the end part of her growth will come from her realizing that she has to do what is best for Aaron, not what is best for her and her feelings. She has to let Aaron go, I think, at some point... because she loves him. It is obvious to me she loves him. But I hope she will not make the same mistake her mom made and choose her own happiness or fulfillment over what is actually right for Aaron in the end.

I also think it's important for Kate to know how it feels to love a child. That kind of love is different from loving a grown up man. Her love of a child will be more important than her love of any man and that is growth as well.

I agree Mom. I think it was to show us that Kate feels very alone in the off-island world as opposed to where she was on-island. The way she was clutching Aaron to her made me think that her future (next season) will deal a lot in how attached she is to Aaron - ie. not just regularly emotionally attached but, perhaps, unnaturally attached to the baby. He represents her chance to forget about her past and show that she's a good person and it would appear he's the only "constant" in her life for the entire period she's off the island.

When, or if, it comes down to giving the baby back to Claire, wow, that's gonna be a tearjerker.

I think it's gonna be a catfight, forget tearjerker. And I for one did not feel bad for Kate. I use to like her character, right up until season three. I don't know if it was just her hair being constantly kinked out, or if it was Evangeline giving up the subtle, nuances that kept her character intriguing, maybe it was the writers fault for her over the top performances at times; less use to be more with Kate.

Maybe it's all of the above. But her standing there with just the baby, yea the scene was emotional, but I wasn't as plugged in to it as if it had been someone else standing there alone.

And where the hell is her army dad? At the press conference, when nadia shows up, the security guard tells sayid that someone was asking for him, but they weren't on the list. If the O6 handed lists over of loved ones they wanted to be there, why didn't she put army dad on it? Why no Army Dad Kate? Why no Army Dad!?

Sympathy zero.