Why didn't the reporters ask about the "other" FLT 815 found at the bottom of the ocean where everybody was "confirmed dead"? How are they going to explain that? It seems the O6 were found far away from there and they are still very much alive.

That seems to be the question of the day. Didn't Ms. Decker (?) say something to the effect of 'we believe the plane would have gone down here' as she was pointing to the map. That would indicate that they have found no wreckage at all.

It either has to be outed as a fake, or they would have to explain a whole other downed flight, that nobody seemed to have noticed went missing?

Good one, that was off my radar tonight.

Yeah it really seems like something like that would be a HUGE issue after survivors are found and would definitley come up at a press conference.

If it were outed as a fake, I don't see that making the issue any less pressing. I mean, there's still a plane at the bottom of the ocean with a ton of dead bodies on it that was made to look like flight 815.
That's a big giant stinky WTF in my books right there. I don't think people would just gloss over that too easily.

Define OTHER?
You mean the one on the island or the fake?!
The fake wreckage was the one mentioned in the Oceanic briefing
and the one that was discovered in Confirmed Dead. It is part of the
lie.

The only other plane is the one on the island.

Right EM Anomaly. Ms. Decker said that the plane went down in the Sunda trench, the O6 floated in the water for a day and washed up on an uninhabited island near the trench. Since no one counted all the bodies at the ocean floor, the fact that seven could have initially escaped is a plausible retcon.

Of course, wherever the O6 wash up, it's a long way from the Sunda trench, unless part of moving the island whooshes them there.

Cardie

Ok, EA. You've lost me. (doesn't take much though lol)

I think we were referring to the Sunda trench wreckage with the bodies all present and accounted for. I may have looked at the map wrong, but I didn't think the locations Ms. Decker was pointing out was near the Sunda trench. (gonna go check now though)
Also, she did say that they would "assume" or "guess" I can't remember which, that the plane went down in the area of the ocean that she pointed to. Which to me would indicate that they didn't have any actual wreckage to back up their guess.

Ok, thanks Cardie. I'll have to rewatch again and see where I pulled that line of uncertainty about the location of the plane going down. I may have dreamed it. Wouldn't be a first.

ETA once more... I just looked at a map, and I think I'm on the same page as everyone else now. Brief moment of confusion. Maybe that's why my husband doesn't let me navigate long trips... hmmm?

The way I heard it explained was that the plane went down near where the wreckage was found and then after a full day in the water the tide carried the O6 to some island.

The world still believes in the Sunda wreckage being THE one and only 815.

ETA Sorry, just saw Cardie's post..was typing at the same time.

That wreckage they were talking about was the "faked" wreckage. Note that the map they show is of the Indian Ocean, not the Pacific near Fiji.

The (fake) plane at the bottom of the ocean in episode 2 is "the plane" that the O6 "crashed" in and floated away from... the stories are the same, it's a very big lie.

EDIT: Sorry, I simultaneously posted with a couple posters above me.

Yeah, there is no contradiction as far as the world is concerned. The Oceanic Six's story is that they somehow got free from the plan before it sank. Presumably however the Six get off the island they're dropped off where they were found to make the story look real to the rest of the world.

Yeah, there is no contradiction as far as the world is concerned. The Oceanic Six's story is that they somehow got free from the plan before it sank. Presumably however the Six get off the island they're dropped off where they were found to make the story look real to the rest of the world.

In that case, they've possibly had quite a long journey to a second island before ever getting picked up by the Coast Guard. Presumably, that kind of trip would have to be made in something that holds a little more fuel than a chopper or a Zodiac. That's of course going on the assumption that the island is actually in the South Pacific somewhere.

Does Ben move the whole island to support the fake plane story? (kidding of course.)

In that case, they've possibly had quite a long journey to a second island before ever getting picked up by the Coast Guard. Presumably, that kind of trip would have to be made in something that holds a little more fuel than a chopper or a Zodiac. That's of course going on the assumption that the island is actually in the South Pacific somewhere.

Well, we have no idea how they get to that beach where they're 'rescued' at this point, we just know that's where they're found and the lie begins. I'm assuming that they six of them are taken there by one of the combatants in this mystery, Widmore or Ben. There's no way they'd make it in the chopper or zodiac of course, but the freighter would be perfectly capable, though I suspect we'll see a different method of travel.

It is all well and good that the world assumes the O6 came from the fake plane, but even if that is true weren't all the bodies accounted for? Isn't there any question to how 8 people (O6 + 2 mystery people) got off yet their bodies were in the wreckage?

It is all well and good that the world assumes the O6 came from the fake plane, but even if that is true weren't all the bodies accounted for? Isn't there any question to how 8 people (O6 + 2 mystery people) got off yet their bodies were in the wreckage?

I'm not sure if they'll ever return to this apparent contradiction. But if this were real life, and I previously heard that 815 was found with all passengers, but later learned 8 people survived the crash, I would think to myself, "I guess they miscounted those bodies miles deep in the ocean," and I would not give it further thought. After all, miscounting 324 bodies in a messy plane crash miles below the surface isn't unfathomable.

It is all well and good that the world assumes the O6 came from the fake plane, but even if that is true weren't all the bodies accounted for? Isn't there any question to how 8 people (O6 + 2 mystery people) got off yet their bodies were in the wreckage?

There were 324 people on board, 8 of whom survived the crash. These 8 were people that were lucky enough to not only survive the impact with the water, but to have been close enough to an emergency exit that they could get out before the plane sank.

As for the fake wreckage, it was made to look damaged from the impact (explaining how the removed exit door could have gone unnoticed), and was too deep for a recovery option to be undertaken. I doubt they actually went through and counted all 324 bodies; more likely, they just saw it and assumed everyone was there. A 777 can carry as many as 360 or so people, so it's possible there would've been empty seats anyway, further adding to the confusion.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume, given the fake plane's position, that they didn't go on board and count all the bodies but made a cursory inspection, perhaps using dive robots.

Given that, it's true that the exact seat numbers of the survivors would be known and if bodies are shown on some dive videos of bodies in those seats there would certainly be some explaining to do.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume, given the fake plane's position, that they didn't go on board and count all the bodies but made a cursory inspection, perhaps using dive robots.

Given that, it's true that the exact seat numbers of the survivors would be known and if bodies are shown on some dive videos of bodies in those seats there would certainly be some explaining to do.

If they used dive robots, wouldn't they have some hardcopy photos to go back and meticulously count the bodies on the plane? It does seem to me that *someone* would go "Hey, I thought we accounted for everybody. Shouldn't we check those photos?"

-AJF

Keep in mind also that these bodies weren't exactly in prime condition. They were dug up from a Cambodian grave after having been there for God knows how long, stuck in a plane, and put at the bottom of the ocean. Obviously, even if they had pulled the bodies up, none would've been identifiable.

I don't think they would've gone to the trouble of counting each and every one of the 324 bodies. The fake wreckage wasn't exactly in the most accessible location. They found the wreckage in a location that no-one could have possibly escaped from once it was down there, saw hundreds of bodies, and called it a day.

Yeah, and they wouldn't expect all the bodies to be there any way, some may float away, dislodged by the crash itself. They would never question 8 people surviving the crash unless they tied those people to specific seats. Even then it's not unlikely that one or two people might have switched.

I got the sense that the fake wreckage was what Paik and his advisors were talking about at the beginning of the Sun/Paik scene.

I got the sense that the fake wreckage was what Paik and his advisors were talking about at the beginning of the Sun/Paik scene.
I'm pretty sure they were talking about the fact that he had just lost controlling interest in his company.