Charlotte has been trying to get Back to the Island for some time!!!
And Miles can do more than talk to "ghosts"!

what u mean by do more than talk to ghosts?

I have always thought that people have been on the island before without remembering (Locke) and it seems that our friend Char is one of them...I like where this storyline could go.

Charlotte has been trying to get Back to the Island for some time!!!
And Miles can do more than talk to "ghosts"!
I told you she was "Alice in Wonderland"...not literally but in the way she kept up her search and her expression when her boots hit the ground...Wonderment...down the rabbit hole...:eek2:

Charlotte has been trying to get Back to the Island for some time!!!
And Miles can do more than talk to "ghosts"!

Miles may be talking to the island itself.

what u mean by do more than talk to ghosts?

Remember when he talked to the woman's dead grandson? In his room...with the money and drugs???

Hmmmmm, so is Charlotte Annie and Ben's lovechild?

Charlotte is Ben's Annie? Maybe?

Remember when he talked to the woman's dead grandson? In his room...with the money and drugs???

yea, he was talking to a ghost. you said more than that so im asking what u mean. im slow and cant catch what u implying

Wow, so she was born on the island. And knows it. Is Ben old enough to be her father though? He's supposed to be in his early 40s, right? He'd had to have had her in his late teens or something (obviously, this is possible, just saying).

I found this little moment very intriguing. I wonder how she figured out she was born there? Also, this does help us time the death-by-pregnancy problem.

yea, he was talking to a ghost. you said more than that so im asking what u mean. im slow and cant catch what u implyingMiles also implied he could read minds Michael's first day on the freighter.

what u mean by do more than talk to ghosts?
That was my joking way of saying dead people...like that lady's grandson in "Confirmed Dead". It seems he knows people's pasts or can read their minds or something?
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I told you she was "Alice in Wonderland"...Remember her expression when her boots hit the ground...Wonderment...:eek2:
You were right!! Also fits in with the Narnia books by her literary connection...C.S. Lewis.
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Hmmmmm, so is Charlotte Annie and Ben's lovechild?
:eek2: Could be...Annie had red hair! But I'd think she'd be too old to be his child?
I hope she is a DeGroot!

Could it be that Charlotte is the daughter of Annie and someone else? And Ben knows this, which is why he tried to kill her on sight?

Could it be that Charlotte is the daughter of Annie and someone else? And Ben knows this, which is why he tried to kill her on sight?

That's a good point. He did try to kill her as soon as he saw her. Plus the quote to Locke about emotions getting in the way. Really killing Keamy was the only time we've seen him acting irrationally, unless shooting Charlotte was the same.

It's a topic for a different thread, but I'm also wondering Ben's intentions towards the island now that he has been exiled from the island and favor.

What did Charlotte say to Faraday when he was trying to convince her to leave? She said something like "you probably wouldn't understand me if I told you I was still looking for Aaron's Ball." Is that it or did I just misunderstand what she said? He replied "no".

Not Aaron's Ball, but "where I was born".

What did Charlotte say to Faraday when he was trying to convince her to leave? She said something like "you probably wouldn't understand me if I told you I was still looking for Aaron's Ball." Is that it or did I just misunderstand what she said? He replied "no".

"It probably wouldn't make any sense to you if I said I was still looking for where I was born."

"No."

She has to be an Island baby. According to Lostpedia,she was born in 1979...smack dab in the middle of the Dharma Intiative in it's heyday!
Sounds like she was born on the Island but raised on the mainland. Could she have been "raised by another"? She recognized the Dharma logo on the Polar bear...could she have some "memories" of being there before? Or possibly she just grew up listening to tales from her parents about their days on the Island?

Sounds like she was born on the Island but raised on the mainland. Could she have been "raised by another"? She recognized the Dharma logo on the Polar bear...could she have some "memories" of being there before? Or possibly she just grew up listening to tales from her parents about their days on the Island?

What exactly did Miles say to her about the island? From what I remember, it seemed that Charlotte wanted to get back to the island and had been trying to find it again for a long time. This made me think she herself most definitely had memories of her earlier time there. I could be remembering it wrong though!

Also, what is the significance of her birth place? Why does she want to find it? If she didn't grow up on the island, why would it matter to her to go back? Is it something Dharma related? Having to do with her digging up polar bears in Tunisia?

Charlotte interest in Aaron being born on the island
is also more understandable now that we know
she also was born there.

Charlotte interest in Aaron being born on the island
is also more understandable now that we know
she also was born there.

Aha...good catch. Now that line makes much more sense huh?

What exactly did Miles say to her about the island? From what I remember, it seemed that Charlotte wanted to get back to the island and had been trying to find it again for a long time. This made me think she herself most definitely had memories of her earlier time there. I could be remembering it wrong though!

Also, what is the significance of her birth place? Why does she want to find it? If she didn't grow up on the island, why would it matter to her to go back? Is it something Dharma related? Having to do with her digging up polar bears in Tunisia?

Miles asked her wanted to leave since she had been trying to get back here(the Island) for so long or words to that effect.I feel sure she was born on the Island when Dharma was in full operation
I'd say she had memories of being there before. I also wonder if Daniel has been there before. And can't wait to get more backstory on Miles.

Could be that she is a reincarnation of Annie.....

"What do I mean..." is what the Ghost Talker said, maybe she had been there before in a previous life, as seems to be true for Locke.

I too believe that she either was born or lived on the island when she was very young. First the look in her eyes when she found the Dharma symbol in Tunisia, then genuine happiness joy when cut herself out of the parachute and fell in the water. The way she looked around when she resurfaced from under the water lead me to believe that she was there before. She looked like someone who is very happy to be back home after a long exile and looks around to see if anything as change. She also look amazed as if against all odds she finally made it back... Last night epi was a confirmation of that. I really enjoyed that season finale,.

Charlotte is Ben's Annie? Maybe?

doubtful since he tried to kill her.

I don't think Miles can talk to ghosts or read people's minds. I think he can see shifts in time...not sure that's the right way to say it, but somehow, he can look at a person and see that person in the past, maybe also in their future. Maybe it also applies to a place, and with that strange machine, he is able to interact with the past.

I don't think Miles can talk to ghosts or read people's minds. I think he can see shifts in time...not sure that's the right way to say it, but somehow, he can look at a person and see that person in the past, maybe also in their future. Maybe it also applies to a place, and with that strange machine, he is able to interact with the past.
That is an interesting way to put it and that makes sense to me. Except for whatever reason he saw "the undead" Christian and Claire too. It's like he can see into another "dimension".

I think Charlotte is one of the babies that was born on the Island. I can't wait to see how her story unfolds...

Oh, I have to say, I am so NOT INTERESTED in Charlotte's story. Who cares if she was born on the island!? Ok, I know, the whole pregnant women die on the island, but honestly, just not interested!

Charlotte is too young to be Annie...she could be her daughter, but seems a little old for that. didn't Miles say she was 22 yrs old(I'm not sure?) Annie was older than Benry, so i guess it's possible time line wise...except....
They've spent a lot of time saying that babies can't be born on the island without dying..so that does not seem to work either.

"what is the significance of her birth place" If it was on Lostia, wouldn't it have been in the medical hatch they took Claire to? Then Char. has been there already, and no big signs of recognition were shown.

Could be, she'd be similar to Aaron...close to birth when her Mom was brought there. So it would seem to me she's a from a wholly different back story that will be told next year...an obvious set-up for that i think.

I don't think Miles can talk to ghosts or read people's minds. I think he can see shifts in time. totally disagree on this...Miles is just what he seems to be, a ghost seer, again it's been shown several times all season.

p.s. I think Char. is a very good actress and totally HOT (esp'ly dressed up on the talk shows) so I hope she gets a big part next year...
Hope Daniel and Miles are included big time as well.

Very interesting revelation and adds another layer to her character.

Charlotte is too young to be Annie...she could be her daughter, but seems a little old for that. didn't Miles say she was 22 yrs old(I'm not sure?) Annie was older than Benry, so i guess it's possible time line wise...except....
They've spent a lot of time saying that babies can't be born on the island without dying..so that does not seem to work either.

"what is the significance of her birth place" If it was on Lostia, wouldn't it have been in the medical hatch they took Claire to? Then Char. has been there already, and no big signs of recognition were shown.

Could be, she'd be similar to Aaron...close to birth when her Mom was brought there. So it would seem to me she's a from a wholly different back story that will be told next year...an obvious set-up for that i think.

totally disagree on this...Miles is just what he seems to be, a ghost seer, again it's been shown several times all season.

Charlotte is 25 y/o.

But that was my original question? How did he know aboutr her trying to get back if he only communicates with "ghosts" ? And how did he know about Michael's lies?

Charlotte was about 13 during the Purge, according to Lostpedia. She was probably a Dharmakid, which raises more speculation about people coming and going to/from the island. How did they keep the whole thing secret with people going in and out?

Hubby & I had the wild thought last night that she might be Ben's & Annie's child, too. But then, the whole 'being born on the island' thing came up.

Hubby suggested that maybe either 1) Char was the one to move the island before (not sure if it has been moved since whenever she was there last) and maybe she is really shocked that she could actually COME BACK; or 2) maybe Annie was pregnant (or having recently given birth), and SHE had to move the island, and took Char w/her (either en utero or in a sling, not sure).

I know there are TONS of holes in either of these theories, but thoughts?
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BEN: Her name is Charlotte Lewis! Charlotte Staples Lewis. Born July second, nineteen seventy-nine, Essex, England. Parents David and Jeanette. Eldest of three, all girls. She was raised in Bromsgrove. Did her undergraduate studies at Kent. Took her PhD in Cultural Anthropology at Oxford. She's here with two other team members and a pilot. Their names Daniel Faraday, Miles Straume, Frank Lapidus.


I don't think she is Ben's child. A reincarnation of Annie may be more likely unless Ben's info about her was incorrect.

Charlotte is 25 y/o.

But that was my original question? How did he know about her trying to get back if he only communicates with "ghosts" ? And how did he know about Michael's lies?

I didn't say "only with ghosts"...i was just saying i don't agree with that other theory..

Do you ever watch "Medium"? I'd have to compare Miles with her. She sees dead people, reads living minds, sometimes Dead People help her with what's going on, and she has dreams that tell her the past and sometimes the future. A big range of abilities. And she's based upon a real person. Miles is a 'mercenary/corrupt' version of Medium..but id' say a Medium would be the best way to describe him.

i.e. Kate's dream last night seemed a lot like scenes I've seen on that show before.

apparently, once one is tapped into the 'psychic realm', there is many things they can do...why i like that show more than say "Ghost Whisperer". (well except for Jen Love Hewitt :rolleyes:)

Oops, back to Char. if she's 25, then i'd say she's def. just a new story to be told. Like pointed out above, Ben quoted her entire resume (he reads Lostpedia more than we do, lol!) so would know if she's his girl...wouldn't he?

Charlotte was about 13 during the Purge, according to Lostpedia. She was probably a Dharmakid, which raises more speculation about people coming and going to/from the island. How did they keep the whole thing secret with people going in and out?

I think she was a Dharma kid too! And I think her story will be interesting bec/ it should shed more light on Dharma and hopefully give us another Dharma Flashback.

I have a feeling she did not grow up knowing she was a "Dharma kid"....I'd say she was "adopted" or given to someone to raise. Then,either because of memories surfacing or just via her own "detective" work,she traced her origins to Dharma. Who knows maybe she found an old journal or something? She went into Anthropology which could have developed out of her need to discover her origins/roots?

Should be interesting also to see why exactly Abaddon "recruited" her ....

I think she was a Dharma kid too! And I think her story will be interesting bec/ it should shed more light on Dharma and hopefully give us another Dharma Flashback.

I have a feeling she did not grow up knowing she was a "Dharma kid"....I'd say she was "adopted" or given to someone to raise. Then,either because of memories surfacing or just via her own "detective" work,she traced her origins to Dharma. Who knows maybe she found an old journal or something? She went into Anthropology which could have developed out of her need to discover her origins/roots?

Should be interesting also to see why exactly Abaddon "recruited" her ....

I completely agree addie. We only know that Charlotte was born on the Island, we have no idea if she was raised there or if she was even there for the purge. We have no idea what happened to Annie either. Charlotte could easily have been born on the Island and then been given up for adoption, especially if Annie and Ben were too young. Ben only said her parents were David and Jeanette, he didn't say born to David and Jeanette.

Charlotte being Annie and Ben's daughter is certainly possible, a bit Star Warsy, but still entirely possible. Ben may not even have known what happened to Annie and therefore doesn't even know he has a daughter, although knowing Ben, this is unlikely. Ben also didn't kill Charlotte when he shot her.....so was it just dumb luck? Or was Ben aware she was wearing a vest?

Miles also told Ben "I know who you are", but we never found out what Miles knew about Ben and what he was referring too. Miles did suggest he knows more about Charlotte, maybe he knows of a connection with Ben. She certainly seems the most sinister of the Freighter 4.

Good thoughts, addictedfan, although we don't know whether she was raised outside Dharma or her parents simply refused to discuss her birthplace despite her curiosity. I am thinking her status as a Dharma child was not officially part of her recruitment by Abbadon, but that she might have seen the job as a way to get to search for her own origins off-the-clock while doing whatever other research she was hired for. She doesn't seem to have discussed her origins with her teammates--she seemed surprised Miles knew about it, and we saw her tell Dan--but if she had been hired because of her origins, surely it would have been part of the team's briefing. I also think that, after her initial elation, she had started to doubt whether this was the right island. Perhaps all the stress and distrust and the hostage situation made her feel less at home than she expected or something, but she was quite happy to leave with Dan until Miles made his comment about her being "back." Obviously, Miles' talents (whatever they are) were enough a part of the team's briefing that Charlotte trusts his word that she has reached the right place.

Heh, the fact that Charlotte was born on the island is the only interesting thing about her so far. Her character hasn't had any real development since her introduction.

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Good thoughts, addictedfan, although we don't know whether she was raised outside Dharma or her parents simply refused to discuss her birthplace despite her curiosity. I am thinking her status as a Dharma child was not officially part of her recruitment by Abbadon, but that she might have seen the job as a way to get to search for her own origins off-the-clock while doing whatever other research she was hired for. She doesn't seem to have discussed her origins with her teammates--she seemed surprised Miles knew about it, and we saw her tell Dan--but if she had been hired because of her origins, surely it would have been part of the team's briefing. I also think that, after her initial elation, she had started to doubt whether this was the right island. Perhaps all the stress and distrust and the hostage situation made her feel less at home than she expected or something, but she was quite happy to leave with Dan until Miles made his comment about her being "back." Obviously, Miles' talents (whatever they are) were enough a part of the team's briefing that Charlotte trusts his word that she has reached the right place.

I believe the "all-knowing" Abaddon did know about Charlotte's origins. He may not have shared that knowlege with the others but he knew. He has some type of supernatural qualities. Of course,her being a well-known Anthroplogist was probably important too. We never really found out why Abaddon sent those four did we? Surely it was more than just deactivating the Tempest. Because why would an Anthropoligist be necessary?
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Heh, the fact that Charlotte was born on the island is the only interesting thing about her so far. Her character hasn't had any real development since her introduction.

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I read somewhere that the writer's strike kept them from going into more background about the Fab 4.

Since we know Miles talks to the dead, is it too much of an assumption that the deceased Dharma people in that mass grave 'told' him things about Ben and Charlotte?

Since we know Miles talks to the dead, is it too much of an assumption that the deceased Dharma people in that mass grave 'told' him things about Ben and Charlotte?

Well we haven't been shown a scene in which Miles was at the pit, and since he had to be taken to Nadia's body to "communicate" with her, it doesn't seem he can just communicate with the spirit of the dead at will. Of course Miles may have visited the pit and we just didn't see it.

Charlotte was about 13 during the Purge, according to Lostpedia. She was probably a Dharmakid, which raises more speculation about people coming and going to/from the island. How did they keep the whole thing secret with people going in and out?

Maybe, like all the other children the Others have abducted, she was put in a "safe place" with all the other Dharma kids? Maybe abducting children before bad stuff happens and putting them in a "safe place" is standard procedure for them?

There's no sense in guessing, if she was abducted, how she escaped and why she would want to come back.

She never said she was born on the Island. She only said she was "looking for where she was born". If an anthropologist says that, she is looking for the birthplace of mankind-which fits in with the MU legend -an Island kingdom, the ancient birthplace of mankind.

Charlotte is Ben's Annie? Maybe?

Nice idea, but I think she's too young. Ben is in his early 40s, so Annie (if she's even alive) would be the same age.

Charlotte doesn't look much older than early 30s, though possibly younger than that. if she is younger, it is vaguely possible that she's his and Annie's daughter... but if that's the case, wouldn't he know that they're related?

And Ben&Annie would have to have been very young... if they had a kid (Charlotte) at sixteen, Charlotte would be 27-28, and that seems a bit young to me.

Ben already said where Charlotte was born, right after he shot her-he said where she went to college, her real parents names, everything. And he was dead on-her reaction was proof-don't you all pay attention?

Ben already said where Charlotte was born, right after she shot her-he said where she went to college, her real parents names, everything. And he was dead on-her reaction was proof-don't you all pay attention?

He said where she grew up, the people that she believes to be her parents, and details of her education.

Knowing who she thinks her parents are and knowing where she was born/who her actual parents are do not equal the same thing.

Personally I like the Dharmakid idea, but I have no clue how she got from the island to being raised by a posh English family.

He said where she grew up, the people that she believes to be her parents, and details of her education.

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BEN: Her name is Charlotte Lewis! Charlotte Staples Lewis. Born July second, nineteen seventy-nine, Essex, England. Parents David and Jeanette. Eldest of three, all girls. She was raised in Bromsgrove. Did her undergraduate studies at Kent. Took her PhD in Cultural Anthropology at Oxford. She's here with two other team members and a pilot. Their names Daniel Faraday, Miles Straume, Frank Lapidus

If an anthropologist is looking for where she was born, she is speaking metaphorically, when do the powers that be give direct clues on this show?

Ben already said where Charlotte was born, right after he shot her-he said where she went to college, her real parents names, everything. And he was dead on-her reaction was proof-don't you all pay attention?

Before you start questioning if people are paying attention, you need to read the whole thread. The transcript from what Ben said was already posted, including her age earlier in this thread. The theory that she may be Annie and Ben's child may not be the most logical, but it's definitely possible.

See above, Todd. Nothing there indicates it is merely where she "believes" she grew up. Addendum-when Miles told her about how long she was trying to "get back", he was seeing an alternate future where she DID leave, and spent the rest of her life trying to find the holy grail of all anthropologists, the birthplace of the human race.

See above, Todd. Nothing there indicates it is merely where she "believes" she grew up.

I never said Ben said "believes she grew up". And you're basing your thoughts on what Benjamin Linus says? The same Ben Linus on the show who is "never entirely truthful"? Ben has been known to lie and embellish things.

If there is someone on the show who can fake a plane crash and then put a fake plane into the Sunda Trench, dig up 300 bodies and put them in the fake plane, I think it would be easy to forge a birth certificate. Also, adopted children (which Charlotte could easily be) do have biological and adoptive parents. So David and Jeanette could be her adoptive parents.

Plus Charlotte did tell Dan she was "still looking for where I was born." Her words, not mine. Additionally, Miles certainly implied that she has a secret desire to be on the Island. I think that implies she may have been born on the Island, and she's not there for anthropological reasons to discover the birth of mankind. But hey, you have the right to your own opinion, as do those who think she was born there. To me what's transpired seems to suggest she was born there.

... spent the rest of her life trying to find the holy grail of all anthropologists, the birthplace of the human race.

I'm not quite sure who you mean, slick, but it's not anthropologists. Anthropologists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology)study humanity, and cultural anthropologists study a particular group. The method they use is to live with that group, trying to be "on the inside" and see things from their point of view.

You might be thinking of a type of archaeologist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology), like the Leakeys - the kind of people who dig up bones in Africa, finding earlier hominids related to humans. I don't think there is much doubt that humans came "out of Africa", possibly in many waves.

If though, you think that any serious scientists are seeking evidence of a prior advanced civilization (eg Mu, Atlantis) or of aliens having landed and established colonies (eg Stargate, Mu, Area 51) then you're out of luck. In the real world, no established science believes this.

Many people very much enjoy playing with these concepts, though. That's why sci-fi and fantasy are such big sellers. I'd personally love it if tptb brought ancient space-travellers into this.

I never said Ben said "believes she grew up". And you're basing your thoughts on what Benjamin Linus says? The same Ben Linus on the show who is "never entirely truthful"? Ben has been known to lie and embellish things.

If there is someone on the show who can fake a plane crash and then put a fake plane into the Sunda Trench, dig up 300 bodies and put them in the fake plane, I think it would be easy to forge a birth certificate. Also, adopted children (which Charlotte could easily be) do have biological and adoptive parents. So David and Jeanette could be her adoptive parents.

Plus Charlotte did tell Dan she was "still looking for where I was born." Her words, not mine. Additionally, Miles certainly implied that she has a secret desire to be on the Island. I think that implies she may have been born on the Island, and she's not there for anthropological reasons to discover the birth of mankind. But hey, you have the right to your own opinion, as do those who think she was born there. To me what's transpired seems to suggest she was born there.

Exactly Todd...she said I'm still looking for where I was born so to me she is not speaking about mankind but herself.

I also believe she was born on the Island. When she came to and was hanging from the parachute,she just looked around in such childlike awe. Just like she KNEW that this is exactly where she had been searching for all that time. And she did say where "I" was born which does not sound like she's referring to mankind or any human race but to herself.

I'm not quite sure who you mean, slick, but it's not anthropologists. Anthropologists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology)study humanity, and cultural anthropologists study a particular group. The method they use is to live with that group, trying to be "on the inside" and see things from their point of view.

You might be thinking of a type of archaeologist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeology), like the Leakeys - the kind of people who dig up bones in Africa, finding earlier hominids related to humans. I don't think there is much doubt that humans came "out of Africa", possibly in many waves.

If though, you think that any serious scientists are seeking evidence of a prior advanced civilization (eg Mu, Atlantis) or of aliens having landed and established colonies (eg Stargate, Mu, Area 51) then you're out of luck. In the real world, no established science believes this.

Many people very much enjoy playing with these concepts, though. That's why sci-fi and fantasy are such big sellers. I'd personally love it if tptb brought ancient space-travellers into this.

This is a scifi show. What makes you think she is into "established" science at all? Also, Anthropology and archaeology are closely related. She may already know that the Island was the birthplace of man, regardless of the ancient races there to study.
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I also believe she was born on the Island. When she came to and was hanging from the parachute,she just looked around in such childlike awe. Just like she KNEW that this is exactly where she had been searching for all that time. And she did say where "I" was born which does not sound like she's referring to mankind or any human race but to herself.
Not if her scholarly quest is intensely personal and important. This is no mainstream show and we are all used to easter eggs, etc. Remember Ben's offhand quip to Richard "You do remember birthdays, don't you?" before we even saw his agelessness? Her line could easily be interpreted a such a statement. Imagine a cancer researcher saying "I'm trying to save my life"-not because he has cancer but maybe because he has a family history of it-people ofter do speak metaphorically, ESP. on this show.

This is a scifi show. What makes you think she is into "established" science at all? Also, Anthropology and archaeology are closely related. She may already know that the Island was the birthplace of man, regardless of the ancient races there to study.
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Not if her scholarly quest is intensely personal and important. This is no mainstream show and we are all used to easter eggs, etc. Remember Ben's offhand quip to Richard "You do remember birthdays, don't you?" before we even saw his agelessness? Her line could easily be interpreted a such a statement. Imagine a cancer researcher saying "I'm trying to save my life"-not because he has cancer but maybe because he has a family history of it-people ofter do speak metaphorically, ESP. on this show.

But I think each of the Freighter 4 were chosen for a reason...just like the main Losties were each there for a reason. It's got to be more than her being an anthroplogist,imo. She was chosen for this mission by Abaddon who has a major connection to and interest in the Island. He could have chosen from hundreds of Anthropologists but he chose Charlotte S. Lewis. Don't you think like Locke he recruited her chose her for a special reason? Of course,he did.....what a perfect connection if she was born there.