Locke

Discuss!!!!!!!

Total shock. I'm so glad I was spoiler free. OMG Locke?! He's crazy but I don't want him to die. Somehow I think he's still ok on the island, maybe?

I saw it coming, so I was pretty disappointed at that being the big twist. :undecide:

From the beginning I thought Locke was a prime candidate for being the one in the coffin. Wasn't much of a shock to me.
Kinda sad to see him dead though.
Also, great way to end the finale.

My question is how did he end up back in the states? Did the island have to be moved again? I don't know if he is really dead. Maybe dead in the time back in the states but the time on the island is he alive? Or barely alive?

The fact that Ben says they have to take Locke back to the Island too tells me that Locke will be healed again (a miracle!) once they are back there.

Yeah, he was always a good candidate. I think him and Michael were top candidates, and then when we met Abaddon, he was a candidate, too.

I wasn't terribly shocked, but it was super weird to see him all wrinkly and dead-looking and in that death suit. Eek.

I am so glad I avoid spoilers. I was so shocked when I saw who was in the coffin. I really thought it was going to be Ben, since the man in the casket's "last name" is Bentham, but I was wrong! I was actually worried for a sec that we wouldnt find out who was in there, and I would have to wait 8 looooooooong months....

Locke isn't the first one to back to the island in a coffin. I bet Christian had to go BACK too.

I got an infraction and a slap on the hand for posting a "discuss" thread.

Who do you know LL??? ;)

When I realized it wouldn't be Michael in the coffin, I was disappointed because I wouldn't be able to do my "told ya so" dance. Then, when the reveal happened, I was stunned because I couldn't iimagine Locke ever leaving the Island. He must have had to move it again or somehting.

nancy, that's an interesting notion, but so bizarre! Honestly, if TPTB do that, I think they'll basically be saying that Locke is the messiah -- resurrected and all.

What I thought was really interesting is that on the island, Ben apparently leaves Locke in charge and shows no regard for the deaths on the freighter, and apparently cares about Locke and apologizes to him.... and then in the future? Yeah, Ben is back in charge, giving the orders, and doesn't seem to care that Locke is dead.

Ah, Ben... you never change. ;)

Thought it was Michael for the longest time. Because it just didn't make sense for it to be Locke - if he was dead! Now they have to take his dead body back to the Island?? That's pretty creepy. I think I would have liked it being Michael much better. It sure will be interesting!

Actually, I thought it was going to be Ben throughout the whole episode, and that felt solidified when Michael died. So I was really surprised that Ben was alive and it was Locke. And I really like the idea that the island had to be moved again. I suppose if/when they take him back, he won't come back to life, but will join Christian in the ranks of the ghostly.
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Wait, did this actually come out through spoilers? How horrible!

Locke isn't the first one to back to the island in a coffin. I bet Christian had to go BACK too.

OMG..... you are a smarty-pants!!

I got an infraction and a slap on the hand for posting a "discuss" thread.

Who do you know LL??? ;)

Eek... I don't know! Maybe because this thread *had* be made? I mean, it's kind of *the* pivotal moment at the end... I don't know?

When I realized it wouldn't be Michael in the coffin, I was disappointed because I wouldn't be able to do my "told ya so" dance. Then, when the reveal happened, I was stunned because I couldn't iimagine Locke ever leaving the Island. He must have had to move it again or somehting.

Ben left the island before the island was moved and he could come back. He was able to travel and such. Same with Alpert, Ethan... maybe that is what Locke is doing too. And then he dies or is killed.

Thought it was going to be Michael for the longest time. It made more sense for it to be Michael. Now they have to take Locke's dead body back to the Island?? That's creepy. I think I like it being Michael better...

Yeah, Locke being in the coffin just doesn't seem to make much sense to me right now. I never though he would leave the Island. I guess when he told Jack things got bad on the Island, things got REALLY bad. I suppose when we know more it will make sense. We know who is in the coffin, but how did he die? Was he killed or did he committ suicide?

It also looks like there are 2 forces working on the Island.......Locke wants everyone to go back, whereas Claire is saying that Aaron can't go back. More pressing questions.......

OMG..... you are a smarty-pants!!



Eek... I don't know! Maybe because this thread *had* be made? I mean, it's kind of *the* pivotal moment at the end... I don't know?



Ben left the island before the island was moved and he could come back. He was able to travel and such. Same with Alpert, Ethan... maybe that is what Locke is doing too. And then he dies or is killed.

But why would the island let Locke die? It wouldn't let Michael, but it let's Locke?

But why is he being referred to as Jeremy? I would think at least the survivors, when talking to each other, would refer to him as Locke. Like in the first scene with Jack and Kate - why are they not referring to him as Locke? What is up with this new name?

And kudos for the idea of Locke pulling a Christian Shephard once he gets back to the island!

After the finale last season, I thought it was going to be Locke. As this season progressed, I began thinking it was Ben. I have to say, it was a nice surprise to see that it was Locke after all.

But why would the island let Locke die? It wouldn't let Michael, but it let's Locke?

Like Jack says, Locke told him things got bad on the Island. Perhaps the Island doesn't have the power it used to have, although in the podcast, Damon did say that the Island intervened so Jack wouldn't commit suicide off the bridge. Hmmmmmm, that is a good question.........
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But why is he being referred to as Jeremy? I would think at least the survivors, when talking to each other, would refer to him as Locke. Like in the first scene with Jack and Kate - why are they not referring to him as Locke? What is up with this new name?

And kudos for the idea of Locke pulling a Christian Shephard once he gets back to the island!

Maybe Locke became like Ben and was able to get numerous passports for when he was leaving the Island. Maybe Jeremy Bentham was one of Locke's new aliases?:shrug:

When Jack and Ben were talking in the funeral home, I knew it was going to be Locke. However, I kept wishing it wasn't. When they showed him -- I'm not going to lie, I actually felt sick to my stomach! I guess this how other people felt like with Charlie dying, etc. I didn't think it would be Locke. I had said, if he ever died, I would stop watching the show -- but now I can't. I have to find out what happened!

Its odd that Jack and Kate refer to Locke as Jeremy. My only guess is that they were doing so because they were being watched. I don't know ...

I want to know why he got off the island/how. Did he have to move the island again?

I liked the episode, save for the two big moments--the donkey wheel, and Locke being dead.

Season 5: Weekend at Bernie's?

My question is: why do they have to bring him back? I'm assuming he was able to come and go a la Richard, and maybe Widmore's flunkies killed him off the island, but why do they have to bring the dead body back with them?

[quote=toddintexas;1910578]Like Jack says, Locke told him things got bad on the Island. Perhaps the Island doesn't have the power it used to have, although in the podcast, Damon did say that the Island intervened so Jack wouldn't commit suicide off the bridge. Hmmmmmm, that is a good question........./quote]

The thing that gets me, is that we've been given no indication that the O6 are at all critical to the island. Hell, even Aaron having to be raised by Claire was just shot down tonight. And what does Jack have that he'd be responsible for things going bad for Locke on the island?

I'm sorry, but for me, the island has just been transformed from a mystical, magical, intrigueing place to a petulant toddler that's going to hold its breath and stomp its feet when it can't get what it wants. "You crashed here--you're mine and you can't ever leave, and if you do, I'll make your life miserable!" How disappointing overall. And it was such a great episode up until the big reveals at the end...

Locke isn't the first one to back to the island in a coffin. I bet Christian had to go BACK too.That's definately one reason they would need to bring back dead Locke (ghost advisory council).

The only other idea I have is if Ben moved the Island in space AND time. If he moved it ahead of 2007, Locke was traveling backward, died in the past and that would cause an unexceptable paradox.

Season 5: Weekend at Bernie's?I love it!!! lol

Its odd that Jack and Kate refer to Locke as Jeremy. My only guess is that they were doing so because they were being watched. I don't know ...



I thought that was odd too, that everyone was calling him Jeremy. Even when it was just Hurley and Sayid together alone, they were still calling him Jeremy. I thought it was intriguing that Hurley was going to say his name, but Sayid said "Don't!"

Anyone else think that was an ode to Harry Potter there :eek2: ?

Anyone else think that was an ode to Harry Potter there :eek2: ?

Locke did sort of look like Voldemort while lying in the coffin! ;)

But seriously, yeah - what is up with this new name? It's probably my biggest interest from this episode

I am so glad I avoid spoilers. I was so shocked when I saw who was in the coffin. I really thought it was going to be Ben, since the man in the casket's "last name" is Bentham, but I was wrong! I was actually worried for a sec that we wouldnt find out who was in there, and I would have to wait 8 looooooooong months....

Being unspoiled myself (I mean why watch if you know what's going to happen and take all the fun out of it) I agree with you 100%. I thought for sure they'd leave us hanging about the resident of the fabled casket, but they didn't. I'm just kind of sad it's Locke.

All I can say is: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

First, I'm so glad it wasn't Michael. No risk involved, easy to see coming, and few people would have cared.

They were dropping hints all throughout the episode that it would be Locke. It was obviously Locke or Ben. Anyone with deductive reasoning skills realizes there are only a handful of people it could have been.

That said, even though I began to suspect Locke, and Ben's appearance at the end sealed it...it still blows me away. Not so much that it was a classic "shock" about the identity, but more the fact that they actually had the stones to kill John Locke. I was just waiting for an alternative, too see that they were bluffing...but no. The shock to me is that they went through with it.

But fear not. TOQ won't be gone. They have to show what "went wrong" on the island, and since they're bringing back the coffin he could very well appear in a Christian Shephard undead role.

, whereas Claire is saying that Aaron can't go back. More pressing questions.......Was that Claire though or was Kate just having a nightmare? So confusing now... :confused:

I had a gut feeling since TTLG that it would be Locke, I wish I was wrong.

Well at least the hiatus will be a lot more bearable because I don't care.

i also thought it was locke at the end of last season. then when they announced michael was coming back then i was sure it was him. it would make sense why no one would want to go to his funeral. then all through this episode i was determined it was ben because it had to be someone that got off the island and he was the only other option after seeing sayid with hurley. i was so relieved when he appeared behind jack but then after the final reveal i'm sad again. i really hate to see anyone die...poor locke (also rip jin and michael).

but it's interesting that the island let him die. his work must be done. but apparently jack and the rest of O6 and ben's isn't. weird? and i'm curious to see where sun's conversation with widmore fits into this....was she talking about ben or locke?

so many questions and 8 months to wait for any answers....*cries*

Was that Claire though or was Kate just having a nightmare? So confusing now... :confused:

Considering other visions and dreams island related, I think we can safely assume that it was a little bit of both. I'd be shocked if the island wasn't involved, to be completely honest.

Kudos to all who guessed it to be Locke at the end of last season. I could have sworn it was going to be Michael, so when he was blown up on the freighter, I had no idea anymore. It was a complete shock to me, but I am so confused on how it can be Locke!

Was that Claire though or was Kate just having a nightmare? So confusing now... :confused:

Well, I'm in the faction that believes Claire IS NOT dead, so I think Kate seeing her in a dream is a clue that she's not dead. If she had appeared in a vision like Charlie or Christian, that would point to her being dead. Because Kate saw her in a dream, she may not be. I hope so anyway.;)

Sayid told Hurley that they were being watched. That's why they have to use Locke's alias. They may all be being watched.

It was stated that Locke committed suicide. I wonder if he accidentally left his precious island and found himself back in the real world, crippled again, and miserable with the daily grind. He could never be happy off island.

But, Locke is dead 3 years from now. In Island time, whenever that is now, Locke left the Orchid and Ben moved the island. Locke met his peeps, the Others, and will now take his place as their leader. So he's not really gone yet...not for us anyway.

The fact that he successfully managed to kill himself, makes me think that whatever work he had to do for the island, got completed. His work was to lead the Others, I guess. So maybe over the next two seasons, we will see a new leader surface.

I'm thinking about this over and over again -- Jack is the only one that goes to see Locke at the funeral home. Kate is adamant about not going. Is her reasoning based on what happened while they were on the island together, or because of what happened after?

But why would the island let Locke die? It wouldn't let Michael, but it let's Locke?

This was my main question. Obviously with Locke dead, the island was basically done with him. They may need to take him back so he can become "part of the island" just like Christian Shephard appears to have done.

Sayid told Hurley that they were being watched. That's why they have to use Locke's alias. They may all be being watched.

It was stated that Locke committed suicide. I.

Didn't Sayid say to Hurley at the hospital, "They said he committed suicide."

I got the impression that it was a cover-up on the cause of death. To me it seemed that Sayid didn't believe it one bit.

Locke is The Box Man! Even the last time Jack saw Locke on the Island,Locke was in the boxy looking elevator! John Burger in a thread from the last episode also came up with the idea that his life even began in a box--- an incubator.His being in the casket yet another box was very fitting,imo.

I think its pretty clear Locke will need to be "resurrected" but I think they all have to go back bec/ they have to "redo" and get it right this time! As Locke said they were not supposed to leave. But all of them have to come to terms with their own "emotional baggage" in order to fulfill their destinies. I've always thought the Losties all had a reason to be there..they each had a "role" to fill ....like pieces of a puzzle that all have to fit together to make a whole......Live Together,Die Alone!! ;)

Didn't Sayid say to Hurley at the hospital, "They said he committed suicide."

I got the impression that it was a cover-up on the cause of death. To me it seemed that Sayid didn't believe it one bit.

Well the "article" also stated that it was a suicide but one of the neighbors could hear loud noises. So if the article is to be believed (that's debatable) it's also hinting that it wasn't a suicide.

And yes, Sayid said "They said it was suicide" and it's obvious he doesn't believe it. I think Locke was murdered, and I've believed the person was murdered back when the "article" was first released, when I first thought it was Michael in the coffin!:biggrin:

Well charles has broken the rules before, or changed them at least. Maybe he killed Locke... maybe the bad things that happened on the island forced John to leave (maybe not willingly) and then CW broke the rules and had him killed...

or maybe Jack and Locke were meant to lead together.... wonder if its Jacks turn now if he gets back..

Wait a second.... how can Locke possibly die if he still has a purpose? Michael couldn't die until his task was over. Locke in the past has cheated too many deaths to count. What suddenly makes him "dead"? It makes no sense.

Well charles has broken the rules before, or changed them at least. Maybe he killed Locke... maybe the bad things that happened on the island forced John to leave (maybe not willingly) and then CW broke the rules and had him killed...

or maybe Jack and Locke were meant to lead together.... wonder if its Jacks turn now if he gets back..

That's what I think, that Jack (the man of science) and Locke(the man of faith) need to lead the Island together. As Locke found out he can't lead the Island alone without a catastrophe. Jack is also a mess off the Island without Locke.They need each other to balance things out.
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Wait a second.... how can Locke possibly die if he still has a purpose? Michael couldn't die until his task was over. Locke in the past has cheated too many deaths to count. What suddenly makes him "dead"? It makes no sense.

Yes, that's a view that seems to be shared by plenty. There must be more information that we just aren't privy too yet.

Perhaps, if Locke is to be seen as the island's messianic figure, it's his purpose to die and then be reborn on the island?

According to Livejournal, I called it on 5/24/2007. But I called it for mostly wrong reasons, so I won't link to it. :P

-steve

That's what I think, that Jack (the man of science) and Locke(the man of faith) need to lead the Island together. As Locke found out he can't lead the Island alone without a catastrophe. Jack is also a mess off the Island without Locke.They need each other to balance things out.

Agreed!!!

In a way many of the Losties "balance" each other out.....Sawyer and Hurley balance each other in such an endearing way!

Wait a second.... how can Locke possibly die if he still has a purpose? Michael couldn't die until his task was over. Locke in the past has cheated too many deaths to count. What suddenly makes him "dead"? It makes no sense.

Maybe his purpose is to force the others to come back to the island somehow. Maybe he isn't really dead, but just bitten by one of those magic spiders whose venom makes you appear dead for however many hours. Actually, I like this idea.

-steve

Wait a second.... how can Locke possibly die if he still has a purpose? Michael couldn't die until his task was over. Locke in the past has cheated too many deaths to count. What suddenly makes him "dead"? It makes no sense.
Maybe with all "the bad things happening " since the 06 left,the Island has lost some of its power so it couldn't keep Locke alive or perhaps an opposing force has taken control of the Island so this new "force" needed Locke dead...

Maybe with all "the bad things happening " since the 06 left,the Island has lost some of its power so it couldn't keep Locke alive or perhaps an opposing force has taken control of the Island so this new "force" needed Locke dead...

That's what I originally thought too addie, that the Island had lost some of it's power, yet Damon did say in the last podcast that Jack was prevented from killing himself because the Island intervened with the car accident. So I'm not sure, we just need more info.

Wasn't really expecting it to be Locke, but he was on my list of possibilities. Honestly, I was just so overjoyed when I heard Ben's voice, I barely even cared who was in the coffin. It felt like the entire episode had been dropping hints that it was Ben, which frightened me to no end, despite the fact that things are rarely as they seem on this show.

I don't really understand how it can be Locke. But I don't think it would be much fun if we knew that. I like the idea that the Island had to be moved again, though. As for why they have to bring him back, I don't want it to be so that he can be resurrected. That seems silly to me, and if actual resurrections are introduced, I think a lot of the impact of future deaths will be lost.

If it had been Ben...I honestly don't know what I would have done. I'm so freakin' relieved!

Considering other visions and dreams island related, I think we can safely assume that it was a little bit of both. I'd be shocked if the island wasn't involved, to be completely honest.
I'm thinking that maybe there is more than one supernatural force on the island. One side demands that everyone - including Aaron - go back. The other doesn't want Aaron back, and gave Kate the Claire vision to scare her.

Perhaps Ben represents one side of the struggle (white?), and Widmore the other(black?).

That's what I originally thought too addie, that the Island had lost some of it's power, yet Damon did say in the last podcast that Jack was prevented from killing himself because the Island intervened with the car accident. So I'm not sure, we just need more info.
But it seems that there 2 opposing forces at work. I think Abaddon and Alpert are on opposing sides
So maybe "good side" is no longer dominant. In the chess game,Hurley is playing with "Mr. Eko", Hurley takes out the White King....just before the scene at the funeral parlor.
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I'm thinking that maybe there is more than one supernatural force on the island. One side demands that everyone - including Aaron - go back. The other doesn't want Aaron back, and gave Kate the Claire vision to scare her.

Perhaps Ben represents one side of the struggle (white?), and Widmore the other(black?).
Oops, I just posted something similar. :redface:

Congrats to everyone who said it would be Locke!
It's ironic how Jack once again has to get a dead body on an airplane. Or at least take another dead person "back home".

I can truly say that I was surprised to see Locke in the casket so kudos to those of you who were expecting it. I wasn't sure--I thought perhaps it was Ben until he spoke to Jack and stepped out of the shadows. Anyway, I'm very intrigued now and cannot wait to find out what went wrong on the island.

Concerning the Oceanic 6, well, I think it's been obvious from season 1 that they were all brought to the island for a reason, and it's only natural that they will have to return to the island to fulfill their destinies, whatever they may be.

My main question is why is Jack's dad figuring into the main plot of the island story now? I know he appeared to Jack on the island in season 1, but what is special about him and why is he the island messenger?

Will Walt have to return as well or has he satisfied his role in these events? He did mention to Hurley that he had a visitor too, but Ben did not mention Walt to Jack at the end.

Even though this season finale was not as powerful to me as the Season 3 finale, it was exciting and provoked even more wonder. Can't wait for next season! :biggrin:

I can truly say that I was surprised to see Locke in the casket so kudos to those of you who were expecting it. I wasn't sure--I thought perhaps it was Ben until he spoke to Jack and stepped out of the shadows. Anyway, I'm very intrigued now and cannot wait to find out what went wrong on the island.

Concerning the Oceanic 6, well, I think it's been obvious from season 1 that they were all brought to the island for a reason, and it's only natural that they will have to return to the island to fulfill their destinies, whatever they may be.

My main question is why is Jack's dad figuring into the main plot of the island story now? I know he appeared to Jack on the island in season 1, but what is special about him and why is he the island messenger?

Will Walt have to return as well or has he satisfied his role in these events? He did mention to Hurley that he had a visitor too, but Ben did not mention Walt to Jack at the end.

Even though this season finale was not as powerful to me as the Season 3 finale, it was exciting and provoked even more wonder. Can't wait for next season! :biggrin:

I think Locke paid Walt a visit because they had a special connection on the Island. I think Walt will return too.

I can't believe it was Locke. At least we know it is Locke in the future. Which reminds me -- So that scene with Jack and Ben in the funeral parlor is "3 years" in the future, right? So, are we to assume that the next (last) 2 seasons of Lost are going to encompass those 3 years, plus whatever time past that that is needed to finish/wrap up the story? Yikes, that's a lot of time considering these past 4 seasons have been, what, 4 months worth of time?

Locke


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dead.


And they want to move the body.


Someone ust bring me a jar of myrrh, call me Mary, and let me weep for eight months.


Wow, I did not see John Locke's exit coming. I knew he would exit, but I thought he'd go much later on in the series.

But why would the island let Locke die? It wouldn't let Michael, but it let's Locke?

Michael hadn't yet fulfilled his destiny of. . .letting Keamy do as he pleased. . .but. . .delayed a few seconds. . .to no actual different result. . . .something like that.

Locke's probably done.

We'll get to see what Locke does on the island before he leaves, possibly see what he says off the island, and who knows what'll happen to him when his body returns to the island?

We will get plenty of Island Flashback's with Locke and the rest of the people
and the bad situation.

Kind of a shocker,

Locke was my number three person to be in the coffin. I had Michael and Ben as the top two candidates to be in the box. The only reason I had Locke as number three was because of all the box analogies associated with Locke over the course of the series. (i.e. His working in a cubicle at the box company, his being locked in a locker in high school, his being in an incubator right after birth, him manning the hatch during season 2, with the hatch being analogous to a box, and also him inquiring about the magic box to Ben repeatedly. I just figured the coffin was another box that he would ultimately end up in. However, I wasnt convinced until Ben appeared to Jack just prior to the opening of the coffin. I still dont think the suicide report in the paper is accurate, obviously there is foul play involved and it is made to look like a suicide. Definitely waiting to see how they are going to resurrect Locke for seasons 5 and 6.

So, does this mean Locke has a teenage son???

Isn't that what the newspaper clipping said???

I am so confused.


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I think Locke does his work that he needs to do. After the Six left..
Then his "Job" was to get the Six back..
Now that he is Dead.. They need to get his Body Back.. So he can be
Jacob's Ghostly Mouthpiece.. Like Christian is now..
Or maybe.. Last year someone did a ScreenCap of Jacob rocking in the chair..
When Ben and Locke went to see him in the Cabin....
Didn't it look like Locke?? Maybe Locke could not see him.. Because.
It's Him! Locke is Actually Jacob.. Transported in Time and space..
I Don't know!! Guess we will have to wait till the end of the show to find it all out!

I thought it was Locke the first time we saw the coffin:

I think the person in the coffin was Locke, though I did think it was Sawyer at first. I think Locke was forced off the island when everyone else was rescued, and lost the use of his legs again, which caused him to be very angry with Jack. That would explain why Jack was so distraught to learn of his death--he felt guilty about not listening to Locke on-island, about bringing everyone home (which was obviously a bad thing, at least for him! ).

Not entirely accurate, according to the season finale, but still interesting (to me, at least).

Congrats to everyone who said it would be Locke!
It's ironic how Jack once again has to get a dead body on an airplane. Or at least take another dead person "back home".

That thought struck me too..... :cool:

I still thought it was Ben in the coffin when Jack saw Ben at the funeral home, he looked so ghost-like. ITA with everybody who said that Locke shouldn't have died if he's still needed to go back to the Island.

Poor Locke, but are they really going to resurrect him? Wouldn't that be too crazy, even for Lost?

Congrats to everyone who said it would be Locke!
It's ironic how Jack once again has to get a dead body on an airplane. Or at least take another dead person "back home".

Kind of like "Weekend at Bernie's"?

Michael hadn't yet fulfilled his destiny of. . .letting Keamy do as he pleased. . .but. . .delayed a few seconds. . .to no actual different result. . . .something like that.

Locke's probably done.
A tiny bit off topic, but what I got out of that scene was Micheal's turn at redemption. While the outcome was the same, yes, Micheal still bought what would become the O6 enough time to fix and refuel the chopper just enough to get it back in the air and out of danger. Then I thought back to the dummy explosives that Micheal brought onboard with him to begin with, with the "Not yet" message.

But ok, back to the topic. I was genuinely surprised at the reveal, and it leaves me craving the next season. What went so terribly wrong? What was Lockes' final act that 'allowed' him to be ... released, so to speak, from the island? Was his 'suicide' actually an accident? Was it Locke trying to prove to himself that the island was not yet done with him? In denial that what he loved most, did not need him anymore?

I think Locke paid Walt a visit because they had a special connection on the Island. I think Walt will return too.

Since it is 3 years later, at least they will not have to try to explain Walt's big growing spurt. Maybe he will play a bigger role now. He was depicted as a "special" kid with a supernatural aura in the first season. Hopefully the writers will expand on that and incorporate it into the upcoming shows.

It was stated that Locke committed suicide. I wonder if he accidentally left his precious island and found himself back in the real world, crippled again, and miserable with the daily grind. He could never be happy off island.


The fact that he successfully managed to kill himself, makes me think that whatever work he had to do for the island, got completed. His work was to lead the Others, I guess. So maybe over the next two seasons, we will see a new leader surface.

Sayid tells Hurley that Locke's death was made to LOOK like suicide.
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So, does this mean Locke has a teenage son???

Isn't that what the newspaper clipping said???

I am so confused.


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I'm confused about this issue as well. More Locke flashbacks next season to explain the existence of the son, or maybe his introduction as a new character, or was the reference a mislead in the first place?

I think Locke does his work that he needs to do. After the Six left..
Then his "Job" was to get the Six back..
Now that he is Dead.. They need to get his Body Back.. So he can be
Jacob's Ghostly Mouthpiece.. Like Christian is now..
Or maybe.. Last year someone did a ScreenCap of Jacob rocking in the chair..
When Ben and Locke went to see him in the Cabin....
Didn't it look like Locke?? Maybe Locke could not see him.. Because.
It's Him! Locke is Actually Jacob.. Transported in Time and space..
I Don't know!! Guess we will have to wait till the end of the show to find it all out!

This is fascinating, and very good imo.

That's what I originally thought too addie, that the Island had lost some of it's power, yet Damon did say in the last podcast that Jack was prevented from killing himself because the Island intervened with the car accident. So I'm not sure, we just need more info.

I had a thought that perhaps Jacob goes totally off the deep end and wreaks havoc on the island. But some think that Locke is Jacob. If that is the case, then it would be Locke going off the deep end and wreaking havoc. It would be interesting to see what evil force would cause that to happen. But in that case, Locke probably could not return to the island.

On the other hand, Jacob may be "the island" (the personification of the island). The island is already corrupt in some ways for some people but not for everyone.

Perhaps the time/space travel is too much for the island and creates an unexpected dark force. Ben did tell Locke that as the new "leader" Locke would have to suffer consequences. Would he be required to purge the island again as Ben had to do. Perhaps the Oceanic survivors are intended to replace the Others.

On another note, has anyone wondered about the fate of the no-name survivors? Weren't there still quite a few from the crash who just serve as extras on the show? What happened to them? Are they still on the beach?

I think the most intriguing part of this episode is how does Lock die? We see that suicide is hinted to be a cover up.

My guess is that Ben kills Lock. I think that Ben is still upset about Lock replacing him as the leader. When Lock and Ben meet in the real world, Ben wants to kill Lock so he can once again become the leader and bring the 06 back to the island
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Since it is 3 years later, at least they will not have to try to explain Walt's big growing spurt. Maybe he will play a bigger role now. He was depicted as a "special" kid with a supernatural aura in the first season. Hopefully the writers will expand on that and incorporate it into the upcoming shows.
Maybe Walt turns out to be the "teenage son" mentioned in Bentham's obit. With their special connection,maybe Locke adopted Walt.
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I still thought it was Ben in the coffin when Jack saw Ben at the funeral home, he looked so ghost-like. ITA with everybody who said that Locke shouldn't have died if he's still needed to go back to the Island.

Poor Locke, but are they really going to resurrect him? Wouldn't that be too crazy, even for Lost?
Not at all!! I think Christian was resurrected! And Charlie is "dead but here"!

I saw it coming, so I was pretty disappointed at that being the big twist. :undecide:
Lost seasons are no suffering the same problem as M. Night Shyamalan movies... if the audience is expecting a huge twist... huger than the last twist... there's basically nothing you can do to live up to their expectations. I can't see any way to solve that problem, other than finding a way to manage the expectations in the first place. Maybe if the huge twists didn't come at the pre-determined locations -- the season finales, that would help. I love the epic scope of the finales. I think they should definitely be emotional climaxes, but maybe by relying on them less as "plot-twist climaxes" it would solve the problem of expectations. After all, if you had the total "game changer plot twist" occur in the middle of a season, it's impact would be all the more amplified by its unexpectedness.
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Michael hadn't yet fulfilled his destiny of. . .letting Keamy do as he pleased. . .but. . .delayed a few seconds. . .to no actual different result. . . .something like that.

Locke's probably done.

No different results? It resulted in Frank, Desmond, and the O6 being able to leave the island.

Locke is nowhere near done. He will eventually leave "paradise" in order to save it, and the human race with it, by bringing the O6, the lost sheep, back to the fold. And in the process of doing so, he will be killed by his enemies. But after being laid to rest he will rise again.

...wait -- I've heard this story before somewhere...:biggrin:
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On another note, has anyone wondered about the fate of the no-name survivors? Weren't there still quite a few from the crash who just serve as extras on the show? What happened to them? Are they still on the beach?
They've been dropping like flies. It's not clear how many are left. It seems that most or all of the redshirts that were in Locke's group were killed by Keamy's group, and it seems that the majority of the rest made it to the boat in time to be blown up. Whoever is still on the raft with Daniel is left... I'll have to watch again to see who was on with him in that last trip, but I'm thinking it was 6 no-names. And whoever hadn't left the beach yet. But my impression was that the beach was getting pretty empty. Just Rose hanging around making sure no one eats the peanuts.

John Locke is not dead!!

When the island moved, the "reality" of the O6 changed. There is no John Locke in their past. That's why they all know the man in the coffin as Jeremy Bentham. They have to return to the island to fix the reality so that John Locke can be "resurrected".

I'm thinking about this over and over again -- Jack is the only one that goes to see Locke at the funeral home. Kate is adamant about not going. Is her reasoning based on what happened while they were on the island together, or because of what happened after?

I think it has to do with something after. I think Locke has been visiting each of the O6, trying to convince them to back.

Didn't Sayid say to Hurley at the hospital, "They said he committed suicide."

I got the impression that it was a cover-up on the cause of death. To me it seemed that Sayid didn't believe it one bit.

Am I the only one that thinks Ben ordered Sayid to kill Locke (now that Sayid works for Ben)? I started a thread on it and everything but it hasn't caught on.

Wait a second.... how can Locke possibly die if he still has a purpose? Michael couldn't die until his task was over. Locke in the past has cheated too many deaths to count. What suddenly makes him "dead"? It makes no sense.

He's fulfilled his purpose. We just haven't seen it yet.

Congrats to everyone who said it would be Locke!
It's ironic how Jack once again has to get a dead body on an airplane. Or at least take another dead person "back home".

I don't think they'll be taking a plane this time.....

I can truly say that I was surprised to see Locke in the casket so kudos to those of you who were expecting it. I wasn't sure--I thought perhaps it was Ben until he spoke to Jack and stepped out of the shadows. Anyway, I'm very intrigued now and cannot wait to find out what went wrong on the island.

Concerning the Oceanic 6, well, I think it's been obvious from season 1 that they were all brought to the island for a reason, and it's only natural that they will have to return to the island to fulfill their destinies, whatever they may be.

My main question is why is Jack's dad figuring into the main plot of the island story now? I know he appeared to Jack on the island in season 1, but what is special about him and why is he the island messenger?

Will Walt have to return as well or has he satisfied his role in these events? He did mention to Hurley that he had a visitor too, but Ben did not mention Walt to Jack at the end.

Even though this season finale was not as powerful to me as the Season 3 finale, it was exciting and provoked even more wonder. Can't wait for next season! :biggrin:

Lost seasons are no suffering the same problem as M. Night Shyamalan movies... if the audience is expecting a huge twist... huger than the last twist... there's basically nothing you can do to live up to their expectations. I can't see any way to solve that problem, other than finding a way to manage the expectations in the first place. Maybe if the huge twists didn't come at the pre-determined locations -- the season finales, that would help. I love the epic scope of the finales. I think they should definitely be emotional climaxes, but maybe by relying on them less as "plot-twist climaxes" it would solve the problem of expectations. After all, if you had the total "game changer plot twist" occur in the middle of a season, it's impact would be all the more amplified by its unexpectedness.
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No different results? It resulted in Frank, Desmond, and the O6 being able to leave the island.

Locke is nowhere near done. He will eventually leave "paradise" in order to save it, and the human race with it, by bringing the O6, the lost sheep, back to the fold. And in the process of doing so, he will be killed by his enemies. But after being laid to rest he will rise again.

...wait -- I've heard this story before somewhere...:biggrin:
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They've been dropping like flies. It's not clear how many are left. It seems that most or all of the redshirts that were in Locke's group were killed by Keamy's group, and it seems that the majority of the rest made it to the boat in time to be blown up. Whoever is still on the raft with Daniel is left... I'll have to watch again to see who was on with him in that last trip, but I'm thinking it was 6 no-names. And whoever hadn't left the beach yet. But my impression was that the beach was getting pretty empty. Just Rose hanging around making sure no one eats the peanuts.

John Locke is not dead!!

When the island moved, the "reality" of the O6 changed. There is no John Locke in their past. That's why they all know the man in the coffin as Jeremy Bentham. They have to return to the island to fix the reality so that John Locke can be "resurrected".
I can't remember now but I think it was Hurley who almost used the name "Locke" and Sayid said...shhhh..."Jeremy Latham" is his name or something like that... So I think that the knew exactly who who it was. Kate also told Jack something to the effect of,"he's always been crazy".

But they may very well go back in time or in another time dimension to "redo" the past.

But why is he being referred to as Jeremy? I would think at least the survivors, when talking to each other, would refer to him as Locke. Like in the first scene with Jack and Kate - why are they not referring to him as Locke? What is up with this new name?

That's the million dollar question for this season's finale! :rolleyes: One we will be pondering all summer long. Ugh! :drowsy:

I'm thinking about this over and over again -- Jack is the only one that goes to see Locke at the funeral home. Kate is adamant about not going. Is her reasoning based on what happened while they were on the island together, or because of what happened after?

I think:

a) Jack goes to the funeral because of the moment they have at the Orchid and he knows Locke has been dead right all along, it has been "eating at him from the inside out" that he should have stayed on the island and

b) I think Kate thinks Locke is nuts anyway, but is extra weary of avoiding him because Locke - like everybody else who's got background with the island (Widmore, Ben, etc.) has come to realize just how important Aaron is and she doesn't want anything to do with him.

Just my thoughts.

And whoever hadn't left the beach yet. But my impression was that the beach was getting pretty empty. Just Rose hanging around making sure no one eats the peanuts.

:rotflmao2: o man that just made me laugh!

i saw it coming when ben started talking that it was locke..

sayid obviously hinted at killing him to hurley

claire was really there..kate was saying she is leaving but i dont know how there gonna get aaron to come

jin is now working with widmore and everyone is *ucked

and i will be stunned if anyone if the boat is still alive

thats my thoughts on the episode

does anyone know when season 5 is starting? what month?

i saw it coming when ben started talking that it was locke..

sayid obviously hinted at killing him to hurley

claire was really there..kate was saying she is leaving but i dont know how there gonna get aaron to come

jin is now working with widmore and everyone is *ucked

and i will be stunned if anyone if the boat is still alive

thats my thoughts on the episode

does anyone know when season 5 is starting? what month?

You really think Sayid killed Locke? I really don't see why Ben would want Locke killed and then help get him and the O6 back to the island. I didn't get that impression from Sayid...

I wonder if Locke being Jeremy Bentham is similar to the whole Wickmund/Holliwax/Candle ordeal.

Also, I think this scene with Jack and Ben may be Jack beginning his upward spiral again. He's now figured out what needs to be done and with Ben's help, something is being done about it.

Second time for Jack to take the coffin to the Island! Wow!

When Ben said him Jack to take Locke to the Island, 1st season flashed. Jack, his dead, empty coffin, lies, ALL have to be together ...

Locke was allowed to die by The Island/Jacob because he lost his way, much as Ben lost his way. The fact that young Locke chose the knife instead of the Book of Laws demonstrated that he would choose free will over what was preordained, which will eventually bring him into conflict with Jacob and the original island inhabitants he's now leading. At some point he will stop being a Man of Faith. I believe the fact that John Locke is later known as Jeremy Bentham (both Enlightenment philosophers) represents this transition.
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More on this idea here

http://forum.lostpedia.com/showthread.php?t=15340

I was completely spoilerfree. If one can say that regarding the amount of possible developements discussed here. :) I'd rather expected the coffin scene somewhere earlier in the episode. But hell, that was a misgiving moment when Ben showed up at the parlor... Locke was at the end of my list. But it makes sense now, somehow. :D

Locke isn't the first one to back to the island in a coffin. I bet Christian had to go BACK too.


That's a good point. Christian got tied up in booze just like Jack is...maybe they both were in similar predicaments...they had to go back and it drove them to drink.

I like the idea that Christian was always wasted because of a sort Island haunting. It's a perfect parallel to Jack.

Also, think about the fact that when he went with Ana Lucia to see Claire, she was being "raised by another." She was being taken care of by her aunt instead of her mother. Also, Claire's aunt wanted Christian nowhere near Claire, just as Kate wants Jack nowhere near Aaron. This parallels nicely fits Aaron's situation, no?

So not only did Christian know he had to go back to the Island, maybe he knew that Claire had to be there as well?

It's a plausible reason as to why he went to Claire's aunt originally. His behavior, drunken or not, certainly implied that he wanted to speak badly with Claire about something.

The Island perhaps?

(All purely speculation of course. :smile: )

Could this possibly back up the theory that Locke is Jacob?

Is frame of Jacob when we first see him in the cabin certainately looked like Locke with longer hair.

Now he's dead its probably the reason he appears as a kind of half alive half dead spirit and would also explain why Locke couldn't see him... it would be wierd to be able to see your own ghost.