Need lip-readers. Obviously, I think he tells her about Clementine and Cassidy, but I want proof. :smile:

His face was hidden in her hair - so I don't know if you would be able to read his lips! I'm thinking it was probably about Cass and Clem now as well... I was hoping for something more intriguing. That didn't seem like something that Kate would keep from Jack just because Sawyer told her too - or if he didn't say, "Don't tell Jack" I can't see it being something she would keep from Jack if he really needed to know. What would be the bid dieal?

I'm thinking she would need to keep it secret from Jack because he's the one who asked them all to lie about where they had been and what happened. If Sawyer told her about Cassidy and Kate goes to her, then someone else would know the truth. That's what I'm guessing.

Ok, since I have tivo, I replayed it immediately and jacked up the sound. The first thing he said sounded clearly to me as "I have a daughter out there." Then, couldn't make out the second sentence. The last one sounded like "Find her" ... might have been "Find her for me" but after the last hour + passed by, I've lost that in my head. But I feel sure about the first part.

Thanks Jenny. I was confident after only watching twice at a fairly loud volume that he did say "Find her." I'm glad you heard that too. :smile:

Here is why I think Kate won't tell Jack... There is a *passion* behind Sawyer's 3 major actions in that scene:
1. Divulging a huge secrete in Kate, and clearly telling her ALONE -- no one else.
2. Kissing her with all the love he can give her as a (possibly) final goodbye, and
3. Jumping out of the helicopter, to save the others, and because he didn't really have anything to back to anyway. All he has back there is his daughter, and now Kate can find her.

Kate would never betray Sawyer after he put so much on the line right there for her and for the others.... and so much of *himself* too.

I'm thinking she would need to keep it secret from Jack because he's the one who asked them all to lie about where they had been and what happened. If Sawyer told her about Cassidy and Kate goes to her, then someone else would know the truth. That's what I'm guessing.

Wow. That makes so much sense and is such a concrete reason for Kate to hide what she's up to. It makes a lot more sense to me than Kate not saying anything just because it's some deep dark secret of Sawyer's, you know? That's definitely going to be my theory from now on. Great thinking! :)

Thanks Jenny. I was confident after only watching twice at a fairly loud volume that he did say "Find her." I'm glad you heard that too. :smile:

Here is why I think Kate won't tell Jack... There is a *passion* behind Sawyer's 3 major actions in that scene:
1. Divulging a huge secrete in Kate, and clearly telling her ALONE -- no one else.
2. Kissing her with all the love he can give her as a (possibly) final goodbye, and
3. Jumping out of the helicopter, to save the others, and because he didn't really have anything to back to anyway. All he has back there is his daughter, and now Kate can find her.

Kate would never betray Sawyer after he put so much on the line right there for her and for the others.... and so much of *himself* too.

Makes me even angrier at Jack when he told Kate in SNBH that Sawyer "chose" to stay on the Island!!! He did it so the rest could make it home!

Makes me even angrier at Jack when he told Kate in SNBH that Sawyer "chose" to stay on the Island!!! He did it so the rest could make it home!


And think about this, If Sawyer had been a few minutes slower getting back to the island, he would have been still swimming because the island "moved" only a few seconds after he got back.:eek2:

yeah, Jack has taken a few hits on his rep this season. everyone I know seems to like Sawyer better than Jack now whereas it almost alway's use to be the complete oppisite. So that really shows how much Sawyer has grown in the last half of this season. I think its great!

I turned it up and I think this is what he says...

"I have a daughter in Albequerque. Clementine. Find her."

I think it fits nicely with the guilt he was obviously feeling about Claire and Aaron in that discussion with Hurley earlier in the episode.

I turned it up and I think this is what he says...

"I have a daughter in Albequerque. Clementine. Find her."

I think it fits nicely with the guilt he was obviously feeling about Claire and Aaron in that discussion with Hurley earlier in the episode.

That's what it sounded like to me when I replayed it too.

I'm thinking she would need to keep it secret from Jack because he's the one who asked them all to lie about where they had been and what happened. If Sawyer told her about Cassidy and Kate goes to her, then someone else would know the truth. That's what I'm guessing.

That makes sense and knowing how adamant Jack is about keeping the secret, it also helps explain why Kate would keep that information from Jack, besides her basic instinct to lie.

Amazing that you guys could hear what he said! I'll have to watch that again.

The problem I have with this theory is that Cassidy and Clementine really don't seem to have any important role in the plot of this show. It makes sense for Sawyer to tell Kate about it, in case she gets off the island and can help take care of his personal business, but why keep this quote so secret (from a production standpoint)? Even if he said what people think he said, there is no good reason why we couldn't hear this (except to keep us guessing). We have no evidence that Kate, after the island, tried to follow up on this. While it makes sense for Sawyer to tell Kate these parting words, why keep them so secret? We all know that everything that takes place in the finale is very important; why have sawyer say something that is so unrelated to the whole plot of the show (unless Clementine becomes instumental in the losties story), and then keep it secret? I personally think that he told something to Kate that has something about her future (outside of his personal affairs), and that he has insight into what's going on that we do not appreciate yet (fyi, I am also open to the idea of time loops). The purpose of the episode is to keep us guessing, and there is good reason to believe that that is what he said. But why keep it a secret? The writers are purposively giving themselves space to fill in this mysterious quote, and when they finally do, I doubt it is about something which has nothing to do with the people and events on the island.

Why keep it a secret? Two words for you: LOVE TRIANGLE.
TPTB needed a reason to Jack and Kate broken up in the future. So there you have it: Kate´s doing something for Sawyer. Even if there was no romantic conotation, you put that + Jack´s insicurities + Sawyer kissing Kate goodbye in front of him + Jack´s paranoia + the alcoohol and pills + Kate´s problem with always keeping secrets and you have the recepy for a relationship disaster.

I just wanted to point out: the name Cassady reminds me of Neil Cassady, the co-star (besides Kerouac) of "On The Road." His disguised name in this GREAT AMERICAN NOVEL is Dean Moriarty, which Ben uses as an alias after he kills some people in the desert and checks into a hotel. Referring to arguably the the most important American book ever written is not a coincidence...

I'm thinking she would need to keep it secret from Jack because he's the one who asked them all to lie about where they had been and what happened. If Sawyer told her about Cassidy and Kate goes to her, then someone else would know the truth. That's what I'm guessing.

Great point.

I turned it up and I think this is what he says...

"I have a daughter in Albequerque. Clementine. Find her."

I think it fits nicely with the guilt he was obviously feeling about Claire and Aaron in that discussion with Hurley earlier in the episode.

And that would confirm all the speculations on the promise.... ;)
But I do not think it was specifically to the guilt for Claire and Aaron, even if their presence had a lot of influence on him lately.
Sawyer is the character who changed most through the seasons. He needed these months on the island to realize what is really important. And family is.
I'm at a point I really hope we'll get a Sawyer/Cassidy/Clementine reunion.

I heard "I have a daughter in Albuquerque .. If you find her, tell her I'm sorry."

I turned it up and I think this is what he says...

"I have a daughter in Albequerque. Clementine. Find her."
Awesome, fits nicely.

I like the idea that Kate is lying (partially) in order that Jack doesn't know she has spilled the beans somewhat.

Thanks Jenny. I was confident after only watching twice at a fairly loud volume that he did say "Find her." I'm glad you heard that too. :smile:

Here is why I think Kate won't tell Jack... There is a *passion* behind Sawyer's 3 major actions in that scene:
1. Divulging a huge secrete in Kate, and clearly telling her ALONE -- no one else.
2. Kissing her with all the love he can give her as a (possibly) final goodbye, and
3. Jumping out of the helicopter, to save the others, and because he didn't really have anything to back to anyway. All he has back there is his daughter, and now Kate can find her.

Kate would never betray Sawyer after he put so much on the line right there for her and for the others.... and so much of *himself* too.

Well put. There's no way that Kate is going to betray Sawyer's confidence after that.

I wonder if the realization that he's been forever "out-heroed" starts eating away at Jack from that point. No doubt it contributes to his insecurity about Kate's feelings regarding him, and leads to his ridiculous statement about HIM being that one who saved her.

Awesome, fits nicely.

I like the idea that Kate is lying (partially) in order that Jack doesn't know she has spilled the beans somewhat.

Kate wouldn't have to spill any beans to connect with Cassidy and Clementine--she knew Cassidy long before the crash. Though it might be difficult for her to keep the truth from Sawyer's daughter.

And I don't think Kate kept the secret from Jack just because her first instinct is to lie. Sawyer told her this in confidence; she takes that to mean it was to be kept confidential; and so she has, as there's nothing more she can do for the man who jumped out of a helicopter to give her a chance at rescue.

He needed these months on the island to realize what is really important. And family is. I'm at a point I really hope we'll get a Sawyer/Cassidy/Clementine reunion.

Yeah, this is the reason why I think Sawyer can't ultimately end up with Kate. He has prior responsibilities that he must now face up to. (Of course, this doesn't mean that Jack will end up with her either -- but maybe she'll forgive him enough to at least make sure he gets some help at Megalomaniacs Anonymous.)

I turned it up and I think this is what he says...

"I have a daughter in Albequerque. Clementine. Find her."

I think it fits nicely with the guilt he was obviously feeling about Claire and Aaron in that discussion with Hurley earlier in the episode.

Yup, yup, yup.

But...seriously, only one Clementine in ABQ? I guess that makes it easy. :biggrin:

But...seriously, only one Clementine in ABQ? I guess that makes it easy.

For Kate, definitely. She did find out where Tom's toy airplane was in that very same state with only that much info...

I'm looking forward to the moment when Cassidy and Kate meet up....again....it will be quite awkward and interesting when both discover each other's ties to Sawyer.

Kate will probably have to say Sawyer died in the crash, so she couldn't talk about their "ties" on the island. I guess it'll be fun to see how this works out.

I heard "I have a daughter in Albuquerque .. If you find her, tell her I'm sorry."


That is exactly what I heard as well before I read this thread.

I definitely caught the I'm sorry, the rest is way too blurry for me.

I'm glad Kate gives so much importance to finding Sawyer's daughter.

I heard "I have a daughter in Albuquerque .. If you find her, tell her I'm sorry."

That is exactly what I heard as well before I read this thread.


Ditto - I've heard that elsewhere. What I'm wondering is if it might be a little code for down the road. We still don't know "who conned who" in that episode. Yes, later Cass told Kate she was pregnant, but did Sawyer ever tell Cass that he put that money in Clem's name? I don't remember that he did. It could have been his way of stashing some money away for himself if he ever needed it. Because I think he said to not disclose the information.

So, it could be to tell Kate to look for that bank account in ABQ to get some $$ if she needs it.

Kate wouldn't have to spill any beans to connect with Cassidy and Clementine--she knew Cassidy long before the crash. Though it might be difficult for her to keep the truth from Sawyer's daughter.

Kate will probably have to say Sawyer died in the crash, so she couldn't talk about their "ties" on the island. I guess it'll be fun to see how this works out.

I see where both of you are coming from with these points. However, if Sawyer's whisper is being quoted correctly, it seems he didn't mention Cassidy, only Clementine. Granted, Kate and Cassidy did cross paths at one point. However, if Sawyer didn't mention Cassidy to Kate ... and Kate goes looking for Clementine ... how will Kate explain to Cassidy WHY she is looking for Clementine? Cassidy is good at the con game. She'll know Kate is lying, whatever yarn she spins. She can't even say Sawyer died in the crash. She didn't know him until the island.

If we find out Kate did go looking for Clementine (a safe bet), she'll cross paths again with Cassidy, and that's another crack in the We're-the-only-survivors facade.

Kate will probably have to say Sawyer died in the crash, so she couldn't talk about their "ties" on the island. I guess it'll be fun to see how this works out.

But that's a very flimsy connection, and how would she even know about Cassidy/Clementine because of someone who died on the plane she was on? Cassidy is a con woman who would see through a flimsy story, but that may play very well in the story.

Well after everything that Cassidy did to help Kate in the past, if Kate does find her, she deserves to know the truth about what happend to Sawyer. Kate owes both Cassidy and Sawyer that much, at least!

Kate will probably have to say Sawyer died in the crash, so she couldn't talk about their "ties" on the island. I guess it'll be fun to see how this works out.

The lie is very brittle. It was already showing cracks at the news conference. And while those may have been patched up, I think there will be more cracks in the future. A possible meeting/talk between Kate and Cassidy will be one of those I think. People will find out the truth.

I really see the point: there's a daughter out there, Kate is supposed to keep lying about the crash but wants to honor Sawyer (for all she knows he died out there-- thank goodness he didn't!) and she cannot tell Jack b/c he backs the lie... I am so glad all of you were able to hear what Sawyer said. Because it drove me crazy, even though I knew it was about Clementine.
This seems to be the beginning of the wedge that separated Jack and Kate. Going to be interesting to see how Jack gets her back onto that island.

You know, I can't see Sawyer ending up with Cassidy. She was attracted to him because of the excitement of becoming a criminal--she didn't even need the money. He took up with her as part of a con. Although they both developed feelings for each other, their relationship was built on something sick. I just don't think it would be healthy to re-start it.

In real life, people can be good parents without being the current partner of the other parent.

Yeah, this is the reason why I think Sawyer can't ultimately end up with Kate. He has prior responsibilities that he must now face up to. (Of course, this doesn't mean that Jack will end up with her either -- but maybe she'll forgive him enough to at least make sure he gets some help at Megalomaniacs Anonymous.)
In all likelihood Cassidy has married and provided her daughter with a father figure just as Kate attempted to provide her son with one via Jack. Sawyer may have a responsibility but let's remember he did provide for her financially and is now sending Kate to connect with her.

This is about his daughter and not about an old relationship with Cassidy that didn't work out for either of them. I believed Sawyer when he said in the I Never game with Kate that he had never been in love. I think TPTB have gone to great lengths to show us that our sexy con man is in love for the first time in his life and it has changed him forever, as this promise he asks of Kate shows.

At any rate, Kate finding out that the mother of Sawyer's daughter is her old friend, whom she advised to have the scoundrel who knocked her up thrown in jail, will lead to a mighty interesting reunion for the two women. That should be one juicy meeting.

Assuming Sawyer's request was to find Clementine and tell her he's sorry, can anyone explain why it took Kate almost 3 years to try contacting Cassidy? She had all the time before and after her trial to do some research/calling and yet she waits until she is happily living with Jack to do it.

Assuming Sawyer's request was to find Clementine and tell her he's sorry, can anyone explain why it took Kate almost 3 years to try contacting Cassidy? She had all the time before and after her trial to do some research/calling and yet she waits until she is happily living with Jack to do it.

I'd imagine that she didn't have a lot of information to go on. It probaly took her a while before she was able to get in touch with the right people.

Either that, or maybe it was the fact that she was planning to move forward in a realtionship with Jack that sparked her need to fulfill Sawyer's promise. Maybe she needed to do this so that she could have closure with her relationship with Sawyer, so that she could honor his love, and make peace with her choice to marry Jack.

I've always believed that Kate loved both men for very different reasons. I think that it is perfectly understandable that she would need to fulfill her promise to Sawyer in order to give herself permission to have a commited relationship with Jack.

Assuming Sawyer's request was to find Clementine and tell her he's sorry, can anyone explain why it took Kate almost 3 years to try contacting Cassidy? She had all the time before and after her trial to do some research/calling and yet she waits until she is happily living with Jack to do it.

It wasn't 3 years. We don't know that. The point where Jack is cracked and yells "We gotta go baaaack!" is 3 years. The point where he proposes to Kate he's still mostly together. He cracks when he catches her on the phone.
1. So, sometime between TOTALLY CRACKED JACK and JACK TO BE CRACKED (a few weeks, a few months)
2. I think there was some time on his own, drugged out, taking Golden Pass flights after breaking up with Kate and the whole yelling at the runway thing. Maybe as little as two weeks or maybe up to a year. It sounds like he got pretty bad after the fall out with Kate given the laundry list of character faults she laid out for him.
3. She seemed really friendly on the phone, on a late night call, no less. Maybe she established a rapport with "Clementine's mom" (might not know it's Cassidy), they could just be bonding over "mom" stuff. Still, that type of friendly conversation takes some time to jell, so it's probably not the first time they talked. (which would indicate that she found Clemmy before that point)
4. I'm guessing there's more than one Clementine in ABQ after all. Probably took a little legwork to track down the one whose daddy was James Ford. (which would explain why she didn't find him right off the bat)
5. She had that little trial thing to go to. No big deal. :)

We don't know what lengths Kate went to to find little Clemmy, how long it took, or when she did it. For all we know she put an ad in the Albuquerque Advertiser the week she got back. "Famous Plane Crash Survivor seeks girl named Clementine in ABQ. Please contact Los Angeles County Jail, ask for Kate."

Yeah, this is the reason why I think Sawyer can't ultimately end up with Kate. He has prior responsibilities that he must now face up to. (Of course, this doesn't mean that Jack will end up with her either -- but maybe she'll forgive him enough to at least make sure he gets some help at Megalomaniacs Anonymous.)

Finally someone sharing my same thought! :biggrin: Thank you! ;)
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For all we know she put an ad in the Albuquerque Advertiser the week she got back. "Famous Plane Crash Survivor seeks girl named Clementine in ABQ. Please contact Los Angeles County Jail, ask for Kate."

:rotflmao2: Yeah! That would be great!
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I definitely caught the I'm sorry, the rest is way too blurry for me.

Funny that I caught everything except the I'm sorry. :p

I think kate will tell the truth to cass, i can't wait to see their scene, it was great to see hers in kate's fb and i loved this connection with sawyer. I don't see sawyer will end with cassidy o_O he didn't loved her, he's in love with kate but he wanted to took responsibilities toward his daughter, the island changed him and plus he was aaron's protectors too and felt guitly to "lost" claire...so for me it's very HUGE moment :)

kate needed time 'cause i've a daughter, find her lol with only the country it's not easy ^^ plus she have had her trial too ;)

The problem I have with this theory is that Cassidy and Clementine really don't seem to have any important role in the plot of this show. It makes sense for Sawyer to tell Kate about it, in case she gets off the island and can help take care of his personal business, but why keep this quote so secret (from a production standpoint)? Even if he said what people think he said, there is no good reason why we couldn't hear this (except to keep us guessing). We have no evidence that Kate, after the island, tried to follow up on this. While it makes sense for Sawyer to tell Kate these parting words, why keep them so secret? We all know that everything that takes place in the finale is very important; why have sawyer say something that is so unrelated to the whole plot of the show (unless Clementine becomes instumental in the losties story), and then keep it secret? I personally think that he told something to Kate that has something about her future (outside of his personal affairs), and that he has insight into what's going on that we do not appreciate yet (fyi, I am also open to the idea of time loops). The purpose of the episode is to keep us guessing, and there is good reason to believe that that is what he said. But why keep it a secret? The writers are purposively giving themselves space to fill in this mysterious quote, and when they finally do, I doubt it is about something which has nothing to do with the people and events on the island.

Thank You!! Finally someone said something similiar to what I was thinking? All I keep hearing from just about everyone on this issue, is that he told Kate about Clementine , etc. etc.! I have never been 100% convinced about this! It just never added up to me! Why keep it so hush hush and why keep it from Jack? Also, I still am confused as to who Kate was talking to on the phone that night in the episode that Jack and Kate got engaged ? Was it Sawyer? Was it Cassidy? Was it someone else, like Locke? Ben?

I think kate will tell the truth to cass, i can't wait to see their scene, it was great to see hers in kate's fb and i loved this connection with sawyer. I don't see sawyer will end with cassidy o_O he didn't loved her, he's in love with kate but he wanted to took responsibilities toward his daughter, the island changed him and plus he was aaron's protectors too and felt guitly to "lost" claire...so for me it's very HUGE moment :)

kate needed time 'cause i've a daughter, find her lol with only the country it's not easy ^^ plus she have had her trial too ;)

What I hear is "I have a daughter in Albequerque named Clementine Phillips. Tell her I'm sorry." This clip is pretty clear, if you turn it up loud enough. Be sure to turn the volume down before Sawyer says, "Just do it, Freckles," though, or you'll blow out an ear drum. :biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5W2-dvSzKk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5W2-dvSzKk&feature=related[/COLOR])

What I hear is "I have a daughter in Albequerque named Clementine Phillips. Tell her I'm sorry." This clip is pretty clear, if you turn it up loud enough. Be sure to turn the volume down before Sawyer says, "Just do it, Freckles," though, or you'll blow out an ear drum. :biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5W2-dvSzKk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5W2-dvSzKk&feature=related%5B/COLOR%5D)

i can't hear any name :s

Ditto - I've heard that elsewhere. What I'm wondering is if it might be a little code for down the road. We still don't know "who conned who" in that episode. Yes, later Cass told Kate she was pregnant, but did Sawyer ever tell Cass that he put that money in Clem's name? I don't remember that he did. It could have been his way of stashing some money away for himself if he ever needed it. Because I think he said to not disclose the information.

I don't think Cassidy knows about what Sawyer did. When he conned his way out of jail, he told the FBI or whoever that guy was, to set up the account in Clementine's name.

I'm at a point I really hope we'll get a Sawyer/Cassidy/Clementine reunion.


That's better. I don't think there is a future for Cassidy and Sawyer.

That's better. I don't think there is a future for Cassidy and Sawyer.

Luanne, I didn't mean it as a romantic reunion or a future together for them. I mean that if Sawyer manages in the future to meet his daughter, this will likely happen under the presence of Cassidy and it will be interesting to see both reactions. I don't think she would let her daughter meet him alone and as somebody else already said, she probably moved on with her life and married someone like Jack.
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What I hear is "I have a daughter in Albequerque named Clementine Phillips. Tell her I'm sorry." This clip is pretty clear, if you turn it up loud enough. Be sure to turn the volume down before Sawyer says, "Just do it, Freckles," though, or you'll blow out an ear drum. :biggrin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5W2-dvSzKk&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5W2-dvSzKk&feature=related[/COLOR])

Actually that's what I heard : "I have a daughter in Albequerque. If you find her, tell her I'm sorry".

Well, the meaning doesn't change, except that without a name I do not know how Kate will be able to find her.
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I don't think Cassidy knows about what Sawyer did. When he conned his way out of jail, he told the FBI or whoever that guy was, to set up the account in Clementine's name.

SAWYER: Set up a new account. It don't matter what bank, just make it in Albuquerque.
AGENT FREEDMAN: Okay.
SAWYER: Put it in the name of Clementine Philips.
AGENT FREEDMAN: Okay, Clementine Philips.
SAWYER: And I want it so there's no way she can ever find out who the money's from.
WARDEN HARRIS: Who's Clementine Philips?
SAWYER: We done?

According to a clip on youtube with captions, what Sawyer whispers to Kate on the helicopter is "I have a daughter in Alabama." Other threads have said he said "Albuquerque." Can someone who watched with captioning on confirm that it's Alabama? How long is Kate under house arrest, unable to leave town? I was unsure of what her sentencing entailed, in terms of her being able to track down Cassidy and Clementine.

I can't confirm one way or another what Sawyer actually said, but in regards to Sawyer's daughter, Clementine, (per Lostpedia) he put away cash under the child's name in an Albuquerque bank. Details of this can be found in the episode synopsis for http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Every_Man_for_Himself

Sawyer was born in Jasper, Alabama.

Sawyer was born in Jasper, Alabama.
How is that relevant?

Anyways, it seems more likely that he would have said Albuquerque(where I'm from!) than Alabama since, as has been stated, he opened a bank account for his daughter there since that's where she was living with her mother.

According to my own two ears, and the center channel of the AC3 5.1 dolby soundtrack, he said, "I have a daughter in Albuquerque. I want you to find her. Tell them I'm sorry."

According to my own two ears, and the center channel of the AC3 5.1 dolby soundtrack, he said, "I have a daughter in Albuquerque. I want you to find her. Tell them I'm sorry."



Yeah, I just turned the sound up, you can hear it pretty clearly, I listened to it through headphones. I heard 'Alabama' though rather than Albuquerque, but he says those lines anyway.

How is that relevant?

Anyways, it seems more likely that he would have said Albuquerque(where I'm from!) than Alabama since, as has been stated, he opened a bank account for his daughter there since that's where she was living with her mother.

It's relevant because the thread title is "Sawyer: I have a daughter in Alabama." I was offering a possible connection with Sawyer and Alabama as you have offered a possible connection for Sawyer and Albuquerque, which, by the way, was less relevant to the original thread title than my offer. So there.

It's relevant because the thread title is "Sawyer: I have a daughter in Alabama." I was offering a possible connection with Sawyer and Alabama as you have offered a possible connection for Sawyer and Albuquerque, which, by the way, was less relevant to the original thread title than my offer. So there.

I lived in Jasper,Alabama! My sister and brother were both born in Jasper. Not sure how relevant but just kinda cool! :grin:
P.S. I think Alabama being where Sawyer lived is relevant if the OP thought Sawyer said "Alabama" and we're talking about his daughter. Who knows maybe Cassidy went to Alabama searching for info. about Sawyer?

Can someone who watched with captioning on confirm that it's Alabama?
I always watch with CC and it didn't show what Sawyer said.
I amped it up and have listened to several amped and cleaned renderings. The "Al.." part comes over clearly but it's impossible to say for sure if the rest is Alabama or Albuquerque or Al..something else.
Imo, the syllables and inflections point more to Albuquerque than Alabama.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=74f98292-56f8-4dcb-a7cc-4c4c874cc0aa

According to Kristen, no-one really knows what he said to Kate except for Damon and Carlton, who are apparently saving that as a secret for later on. The youtube videos are made up according to what people think he said.

According to Kristen, no-one really knows.

Kristen's as clueless as ever.

Mike in Hermosa Beach, Calif.: I have one question that I can't seem to find an answer to. And it's probably meant to be that we didn't hear, but what the hell did Sawyer whisper to Kate before he jumped?
Survey says: I've checked with my sources, and also a rep for the show, and have been told that the writers are "saving that secret for later on." According to one insider who works on the show, that line (what Sawyer said) wasn't even in the script. I wouldn't put too much stock into the gazillion daughter-in-Alabama (or possibly Albuquerque) "What Sawyer Said" videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5W2-dvSzKk) currently playing on YouTube, some of which claim to have official and complete subtitles. Bottom line: Only Damon and Carlton know the whole truth, so I'm staying cautiously skeptical for the time being. If anyone sees them at Comic-Con next month (when they officially break their "radio silence"), tackle them and tickle them until they tell us if we can trust this YouTube business, OK?



She might be clueless sometimes, but she knows more than anyone here about what Sawyer really said. Believe it or not. There was no "closed caption" for anyone to know what he said. Right now people are just guessing! I don't think anyone knows for sure, except Damon and Carlton.
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Kristen's as clueless as ever.


Cluess or not, she's got way more inside information than any one of us. I know what everyone thinks he said, but bottom line is no one knows for sure!

Cluess or not, she's got way more inside information than any one of us. I know what everyone thinks he said, but bottom line is no one knows for sure!

But. I. Heard. It.

I still don't think anyone knows for sure what he said, but if you think you heard it then go with that! I still don't think Damon and Carlton have put it out there yet.

I still don't think anyone knows for sure what he said, but if you think you heard it then go with that!

Sorry, I don't 'think' I heard anything, I know I heard him say it! It's not hard, I turned the volume up on my tv and lo and behold, it was there. I honestly don't understand why so many people are denying it. Please re-watch that scene and turn the volume up. Listen through stereo headphones if you have to, that works too.

I didn't hear what you heard. And I turned my t.v. up and everything. I'm not denying what you said you heard, I'm simply saying that if Damon and Carlton haven't released what he said, and they have said that they want to keep it a secret, then there is still doubt in my mind. There's no use arguing about it. Be happy that you know what he said. I'll wait until I am obvioulsy proved wrong. Take care.

I listened to the sound file with head phones and all I could hear was Thompson.

I didn't hear what you heard. And I turned my t.v. up and everything. I'm not denying what you said you heard, I'm simply saying that if Damon and Carlton haven't released what he said, and they have said that they want to keep it a secret, then there is still doubt in my mind. There's no use arguing about it. Be happy that you know what he said. I'll wait until I am obvioulsy proved wrong. Take care.

Patronize, much? Darlton haven't released anything because they are in hiding. A release from someone other than them means nothing to me at the moment. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what is said at Comic-Con.

Well, at the very least I will now discount what I saw on youtube! I'll assume, as has been said, that it was captioned by whomever posted it there, and it isn't real. If TPTB are "saving" it, though, it isn't likely to be what we all assumed--that Kate is attempting to track down Cassidy. Since that's the logical assumption, it would be pretty lame for that to be the big surprise they're saving!

maybe he said 'alligator'?

For the love of all that is holy, do not let this turn into another either/neither fiasco...

What was the either/neither fiasco if I may inquire?

According to a clip on youtube with captions, what Sawyer whispers to Kate on the helicopter is "I have a daughter in Alabama." Other threads have said he said "Albuquerque." Can someone who watched with captioning on confirm that it's Alabama? How long is Kate under house arrest, unable to leave town? I was unsure of what her sentencing entailed, in terms of her being able to track down Cassidy and Clementine.

Ok I've put my headphones on, turned up the volume to the fullest and concentrated. I'm 100% sure that he says "I have a daughter in Alabama" but the rest was hard to get.

I think Kate cannot leave the state for 10 years so as for her tracking Cassidy and Clementine down, she might have hired a detective? And then have Cassidy come down to where she lives and talk to her face to face? :rolleye1:

I think its interesting that Kate and Cassidy have met and befriended one another and it was on Kate's advice to Cassidy that Sawyer got sent to prison, so for Kate the past abandonment of Cassidy and Clementine will have a face for Kate once she realizes the connection. I'm assuming she has made that connection by the time SNBH rolls around because I'm pretty sure she was talking to Cassidy on the phone and I think Kate would feel a loyalty to Cassidy, given the fact that Cassidy was intrumental in Kate getting to see her mother again even if it didn't turn out as she had hoped. I would guess Cassidy still loves Sawyer in spite of everything and hope we find out, but given there are only two seasons left I won't hold my breath!

Also think its interesting that Sawyer was thinking about his daughter when faced with a potentially life or death decision and apparently wants to make amends beyond just sending her money and staying totally out of the picture. Since children being estranged from parents is a huge theme in LOST I'm hoping that if he gets off the island he forges some kind of positive relationship with his child beyond what we've seen and either reconciles with Cassidy or at least they come to a place where they can amicably raise her with both parents in her life.

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regarding Alabama vs. Albuquerque (sp?) did Cassidy have a southern accent, can't remember, but maybe a clue if she migrated back towards her family for help and support.

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But. I. Heard. It.

Yes, it's perfectly clear and undeniable that Sawyer said "I have a daughter in Al...".
That's not speculation, anyone with decent digital audio functions and a pair of headsets can hear it.

Beyond that it's speculation. Based upon previous story events, I think he said Albuquerque, others think he said Alabama. It's a thread-worthy topic. Kristen's inane comment doesn't change that.

edit: If Darlton decides to retro-script it later and have Sawyer say something else entirely, they have that right. But in that case, Josh should have been directed to whisper nonsense syllables, instead of an audible, grammatically correct, plot-sensible line.

Ok I've put my headphones on, turned up the volume to the fullest and concentrated. I'm 100% sure that he says "I have a daughter in Alabama" but the rest was hard to get.

I think Kate cannot leave the state for 10 years so as for her tracking Cassidy and Clementine down, she might have hired a detective? And then have Cassidy come down to where she lives and talk to her face to face? :rolleye1:

I think that Cassidy might contact Kate after all the O's faces are plastered all over the media. I think she might contact Kate because she knew her from before and because she might have read about who was on the plane a realized that Sawyer was, as well, and that Kate might have talked to him or have information about him, especially if Cassidy was still carrying a torch for him or simply because she'd like to tell Clementine about how her father died (she thinks) once she gets old enough to understand.
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What was the either/neither fiasco if I may inquire?
Jack at the funeral home inTTLG, does he say either or neither when asked if he was friend or family of the person in the coffin, I still don't understand what the confusion was, either doesn't even make sense. Now a more important argument is/was does he say Locke forgive me or just a sigh then forgive me? Ignore that please it's not relevant to the discussion, I just couldn't help myself.
As for this thread the obvious is that he was telling her about Clementine and Cassidy, how often has obvious been thrown out the window relating to this show, I do however think he tells her about them, or perhaps he was gloating about how nice of a guy he has become and was telling her how she will live to regret choosing Jack, although that doesn't mesh with his new personality, he also seems to be the only one on that chopper that had logic working for them, because aside from Sayid no one on that Island has any reason to leave, maybe Hurley.

I think that Cassidy might contact Kate after all the O's faces are plastered all over the media. That's what I figured, too, but lately there doesn't seem to be much logic in connections between "old" and "new" plot lines.

I lived in Jasper,Alabama! My sister and brother were both born in Jasper. Not sure how relevant but just kinda cool! :grin:
P.S. I think Alabama being where Sawyer lived is relevant if the OP thought Sawyer said "Alabama" and we're talking about his daughter. Who knows maybe Cassidy went to Alabama searching for info. about Sawyer?

Possible. She clearly told him she has daughter and that they were moving to Albuquerque. But I do not see any reason for her to do that, except guessing that he was the one to put all that money on her daughter's account.