I worry about her and Widmore's thing.....

She may be a danger.

not sure if it is her i worry about.....she seems to be the woman scorned and has her act together...

Well, depends on what you mean by ruin. Do you mean that Ben and Jack will be working together, and that if Sun is working with Widmore, that she is then pitted against Jack and the other O6?

Maybe.

But I don't she'll be workign *with* Widmore. She'll be manipulating him. I mean, does she want to go back to the island too? So she can try and find Jin? I have no idea what her plan is.

My initial impression was that she wants to go back to find Jin. The more I think about it though it could be that she wants to destroy the island since it destroyed Jin (in her mind anyway).

Sun stated that she blamed two men for Jin's death. One was her father. If she knows the entire circumstances surrounding Jin's death, then the only other man she can justifiably blame is Ben (for killing Keamy). Therefore, she is seeking revenge on Ben by helping Ben's archenemy, Widmore.

Unless it's all a fakeout and she really blames Widmore for Jin's death???

eyris, that's what I initially thought, as well. She alluded to someone else/others that got off the island, and I thought she was referring to Ben, but someone in another forum mentioned Desmond, so who knows!

I love Sun, but she has me worried with this scene for sure. What would she gain by allying with Widmore? Did Locke visit her too and tell her about Ben allowing Keamy to die, hence turning Sun against Ben?

I really hope she doesn't turn again the other O6 at least!

Its not Ben Its Jack.

He said, "and Sun blames me For..." *cry*

at the end with Ben.

My question is ..WHEN does Sun talk to Widmore? The flashforwards were in a kinda order, i guess, But she could have talked to him anytime. It has been about 3 years. As Kate says

Its not Ben Its Jack.

He said, "and Sun blames me For..." *cry*

at the end with Ben.

I caught that too...the second person she blames is Jack

Its not Ben Its Jack.

He said, "and Sun blames me For..." *cry*

at the end with Ben.

But is that maybe just Jack's interpretation of Sun's grief? I just don't see how Sun could blame Jack for it - how did Jack cause his death anymore than Sayid or Hurley or Desmond did? Unless she blames Jack for pushing the 'let's get off the island' mantra - but most people wanted off. I don't know. Ben was actually the direct cause of Jin's death, but we don't know if Sun knows that.

The Sun/Widmore partnership is being setting up as one of the main obstacles to the O6 returning as a group to the Island. Ben and Jack have their work cut out for them.

I don't know what to think... I assumed she would blame Widmore for his death. Now?!!

The Sun/Widmore partnership is being setting up as one of the main obstacles to the O6 returning as a group to the Island. Ben and Jack have their work cut out for them.

Since I loathed this episode and am so bummed, please indulge me: I SO called Sun's turn in my GT theory titled House of the Rising Cobra (and about a dozen other posts outside the thread).
I HATE it when posters do that, but I'm trying to scrape something off the bottom of this episode pot...

I'm wondering if she's setting up Widmore and has been working with Ben and Sayid. The Korean business men told Paik that the money for the buyout came from five different banks. So maybe she's just making Widmore think she wants to team up with them. :shrug:

But is that maybe just Jack's interpretation of Sun's grief? I just don't see how Sun could blame Jack for it - how did Jack cause his death anymore than Sayid or Hurley or Desmond did? Unless she blames Jack for pushing the 'let's get off the island' mantra - but most people wanted off. I don't know. Ben was actually the direct cause of Jin's death, but we don't know if Sun knows that.

That was my thought too, that Jack was just blaming himself, like he does for everything. He always thinks things are his fault no matter what. Jin wanted Sun to get off the Island, and Jack was able to provide that. I don't see how she can blame Jack, but then this is Sun and she is ruthless so who knows who she blames. I don't know what her plan is but I could definitely see her as a nemesis to Jack and Ben getting them all back to the Island.

I just don't see how Sun could blame Jack for it - how did Jack cause his death anymore than Sayid or Hurley or Desmond did?

In the last few moments on the freighter, Jack stopped Kate from trying to get Jin (as she told Sun she would). Jack said something to the effect of "we have to go without Jin". Whether he was right or not is hard to say, because Jin appeared on deck just a few seconds after the chopper lifted off. It's not hard to imagine that Sun believes that Jin could have made it safely, and that it was Jack's fault that they didn't wait for him.

I think she is hell bent on going back to the island. Obviously not knowing how to do it, she will solicit Widmores help. The deal will go down like this:

1. Sun feels that Jin is still alive, and wants to go back.
2. Widmore has the research to try and locate the new position of the island, since obviously he has dealt with it in the past.
3. Sun gets Jin back and allows Widmore to destroy the island (or whatever other purpose he has with it).
4. The show ends with the destruction of the island, and all our favorite people off it.

We've seen three flash forwards of Sun,

The first was the birth of her baby.
The second was her confrontation with her father in which she told him he was one of two responsible for Jin's death.
The third was the scene with Widmore. He is the one who sent the freighter to find the island and I'm sure he approved everything that Keamy did. She views Widmore as being ultimately responsible for Jin's death.

She's not trying to help Widmore. She's setting him up to get something that she wants. Just not sure what that is yet.

You're right, it's most likely Jack she blames. It wouldn't be Ben, since she would have no way of knowing he was the one who killed Keamy. Widmore would be the only other option, but did she actually know that Widmore owned the boat?

Sun stated that she blamed two men for Jin's death. One was her father. If she knows the entire circumstances surrounding Jin's death, then the only other man she can justifiably blame is Ben (for killing Keamy). Therefore, she is seeking revenge on Ben by helping Ben's archenemy, Widmore.

Unless it's all a fakeout and she really blames Widmore for Jin's death???

I thought that look on her face as she walked away was very telling. She definitely has an ulterior motive that she wants to keep hidden, but that look on her face belied it. She wants Widmore to believe her, but she's not telling him the truth, and that slight look of disgust indicated to me that either she wasn't completely at ease with what she was doing or she really despises Widmore for some reason.

Though, yeah...woman scorned...

As to the time frame...Yi Jeon was talking...or at least gurgling for her mommy, so she was at least 18 months or so, probably. So...at least two+ years after island.

I caught that too...the second person she blames is Jack

She could blame Jack as much as Lapidus for not turning the copter around at the last second (in which case they would have all died). But I really thought this was just Jack's emotional burden. He failed to get everyone off the island, returned to the 'real world' fronting a lie, and one of his fellow "O6ers" is so emotionally bitter over the whole experience that he's taking responsibility for her too. Jack is just allowing all the faults in at this point, taking on the weight of the world (or just the island- still, that's a pretty big piece of real estate!)

...She's not trying to help Widmore. She's setting him up to get something that she wants. Just not sure what that is yet.

This is what I think is going on with Sun as well, Tarkus. Whether she's working with Penny or she's working with Ben remains to be seen.

I feel that even if she knew Ben was responsible for killing Keamy, she still wouldn't blame him. And if she does that's sort of irresponsible thinking on her part - although a woman scorned probably might not be thinking rationally. I just can't imagine her blaming Ben for killing a man who had a bomb strapped to his arm - it's the man's fault who rigged up a million pounds of explosives and then strapped the control to his arm. Had he not done that in the first place Jin would be alive. So either she blames Keamy or she blames Widmore for sending Keamy there in the first place. She is probably conning Widmore. She had a little smirk on her face when she walked off, like she had played him perfectly.

If she's gonna blame anyone for Jin's death, it should be Widmore. I hope this is just an elaborate plan of her to kill Widmore.

You're right, it's most likely Jack she blames. It wouldn't be Ben, since she would have no way of knowing he was the one who killed Keamy. Widmore would be the only other option, but did she actually know that Widmore owned the boat?

Maybe she also got a visit from Jeremy Bentham (Locke) and he told her that Ben killed Keamy w/o any concern for the people on the freighter. If he visited Jack, Kate, and even Walt then he may have paid a visit to Sun.

I can see her blaming Jack for Jin's death also since he did keep Kate from going after him. I just don't think that Sun would need Widmore to get back at Jack. After her takeover of her father's company she would have her own resources to get whatever revenge she felt she was entitled to. That and Jack seems to be doing a good job of screwing up his own life on his own.

So, I think it would have to boil down to some plan to double-cross Widmore or to team up with him to take Ben down.

Maybe she also got a visit from Jeremy Bentham (Locke) and he told her that Ben killed Keamy w/o any concern for the people on the freighter. If he visited Jack, Kate, and even Walt then he may have paid a visit to Sun.

I can see her blaming Jack for Jin's death also since he did keep Kate from going after him. I just don't think that Sun would need Widmore to get back at Jack. After her takeover of her father's company she would have her own resources to get whatever revenge she felt she was entitled to. That and Jack seems to be doing a good job of screwing up his own life on his own.

So, I think it would have to boil down to some plan to double-cross Widmore or to team up with him to take Ben down.

I agree with you, Rove. Especially considering that Locke was moving around in the "real world" in the future, dropping in on all the ex-pat Island folks.

I almost never reply but...
To the ones that think Jin doesn´t know that it was widmore´s freighter..
Of course she does. Desmond knew, I´m pretty sure hurley knew also because it was talked about freely by ben and locke.. and maybe Penny knows too..

They were on penny´s boat for a week.. They talked about it..

She knows.. And it makes a hell of more sense for her to blame Widmore than Ben or Jack.

I caught that too...the second person she blames is Jack Yes, if looks could kill (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1405-342.html), the press conference would have been Jack's last flashforward ever.

I think her blaming Ben would make the most interesting plot, but it doesn't make sense that she would be ignoring Widmore's part in it. Maybe she's playing the two against eachother and have them both killed.