UHmmmm He just Poofed? on his little dingy?

I think that those on the raft with Daniel either went with the Island or are sitting on the raft wondering where the Island went. I'm wondering how he seemed to know that he might be leaving the Island and not returning for another boatload? He knew that he wanted Charlotte, Miles, and Juliet to leave with him because he might not be able to get back. Wonder how he knew?

He is Dan Almighty!! :biggrin:

I was wondering this throughout the whole ending.

Dan cannot be dead, I just cannot even accept the possibility. Hes probably the most important/ prominent frieghter character, the one with a whole unexplored story set up (the whole constant issue with Desmond, why he was crying, etc) and judging by this forum, the most well-liked of all the new additions.

Seriously, no way they'd keep Charlotte on and not Dan.. that'd be lunacy.

I think he thought that they had run out of time based on what the continence plan was. And I think they may have moved with the island. think of the island moving and winking out of space and time by moving in a bubble and since the bubble would have gone so far out from the center of the island in a circle, which means that the boat would have been caught in that bubble as it was on the island's horizon...just theory..we'll see next season

Don't you remember that he had it written down in his little notebook, that if he heard any word about the Orchid Station that it was time to get out of Dodge. I'm assuming that he wasn't planning on taking any chances on making another trip back.

I was wondering that as well as the show ended, they didn't really go into that or everyone else on the Zodiac.

Dan also knew about the Orchid being "the secondary protocol." Since he was hired by Widmore and Widmore knows about the Orchid--Dan may have known Ben would try to move the island.

I think he thought that they had run out of time based on what the continence plan was.


It's always good to have a continence plan. ;)

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+continence&meta=

I think he and the raft went where/whenever the island did. He wanted to get back on the freighter, because he knows that being stuck on a traveling island essentially means remaining there permanently. I'm not at all worried about him being dead.

He's not dead. If he was going to die, they would have shown a dramatic ending for him or something. He must have been caught up with the island when it moved. I can't imagine anything else for him and the other little boaties.

Too bad his constant is off the island. :-(

Both Dan and Charlotte will be needed to help explain the scientific mysteries of the island. I imagine Charlotte will be studying the four-toed statue at some point.

I think that those on the raft with Daniel either went with the Island or are sitting on the raft wondering where the Island went. I'm wondering how he seemed to know that he might be leaving the Island and not returning for another boatload? He knew that he wanted Charlotte, Miles, and Juliet to leave with him because he might not be able to get back. Wonder how he knew?

Maybe because he's looped through before and knew what would happen next?

I agree though that he is not dead. I think everyone on the Zodiac went with the island, ala bubble explanation in the beginning of this thread. Part of why "moving the island" is tricky, and dangerous, is probably because it is randomly placed in time and location and who knows what it will take with it. Or if those factors aren't completely random, I imagine they aren't totally understood by The Others or anyone other than Jacob.

I think there was a brief shot of Dan and his crew watching the island disappear also.
I don't think they went with it.

My guess is that Dan will be the one to rescue Jin from the freighter wreckage.

yeah i think he was taken with it too... or else they died (bc if rescued, that would debunk the O6 story remember?). Doubt they died... so with island they went!

Weird stuff about Charlotte too... was she born on the island???

I think there was a brief shot of Dan and his crew watching the island disappear also.
I don't think they went with it.

My guess is that Dan will be the one to rescue Jin from the freighter wreckage.

There was a shot of them seeing the light emitting from the island, yes (which, btw, I can't figure out how that worked...) I see no reason to think that they didn't go with the island, though. We can't know.. but I don't see where they would go if they didn't travel with the island, and as I think Dan is important to the story from this point on, I don't think he's dead/going to die.

He and his crew (and Jin) might have moved, but not as far as the Island. They might have landed in a different time frame.

He'll definitely be back! I think he got caught within the island's bubble too, so he'll wash up on the island's shore.

I think this is a case of writers not knowing if the actor who plays Daniel is going to available next season. He works in a lot of movies and may not want to work on a tv show for the long term. This gives the writers a lot of flexibility; if the actor is available they can just move the raft with the island but if he is not available they can easily write him off.

I think Dan went with the Island when it "moved".

He works in a lot of movies and may not want to work on a tv show for the long term.

Not sure where you get that from. His last released movie was in 2006, and per the IMDB, he only has one movie in the works right now, which will likely be finished before shooting starts for the next season of Lost. :confused:

Well if you look at the size of the space once inhabited by the island and the last time we see Dan he is close enough to the island to get caught up in its travel. So my theory is Dan is alive and well with his new found love Charlotte.

If the island wants Dan and Charlotte together, he's alive. If not, he's dead. I'm supporting the first.

Well if you look at the size of the space once inhabited by the island and the last time we see Dan he is close enough to the island to get caught up in its travel. So my theory is Dan is alive and well with his new found love Charlotte.I'm kind of leaning towards this theory too since it appears the Hydra moved with the main island.

I'm really hoping that he picked up Jin, and headed back to the island after the freighter blew. They had time to be heading back since Juliet was sitting on the beach with a bottle of Dharma rum watching the freighter burn.

I'm kind of leaning towards this theory too since it appears the Hydra moved with the main island.
Yeah. Good point. Also, it just doesn't make sense to have them "trapped" there. Otherwise, what's their story?!?! Do we get an occassional clip of them dehydrating and starving to death over the course of a few days?!?! It's kinda silly to leave 'em there... unfortunately if they aren't there I can't come up with a reason to belive Jin will make it. :(

Yes, the other islands moved, and when we see the shot of Dan, they get engulfed with the light, as opposed to the Six and co. who just sort of get blinded by it. I would bet anything that he'll be back, although we'll probably be left guessing even for a few episodes next season.

I hope he is ok. I adore Dan and JD is a great actor.

That kind of bugged me that we didn't find out, but hopefully we will next season. I want to see more of all three of them...Dan, Charlotte and Miles. Especially Charlotte with her entrancing green eyes :wub: That they all seemed to survive the season is promising.

I was wondering this throughout the whole ending.

Dan cannot be dead, I just cannot even accept the possibility. Hes probably the most important/ prominent frieghter character, the one with a whole unexplored story set up (the whole constant issue with Desmond, why he was crying, etc) and judging by this forum, the most well-liked of all the new additions.

Seriously, no way they'd keep Charlotte on and not Dan.. that'd be lunacy.

Without reading any further, no, there is no way dan is dead. the last 2 seasons, the only characters of worth that died, Charlie, JIN, and mMichael, it was known far ahead of time that they were going to die. I side with the theory that the raft was close enough to the island to be caught in the teleportation. Next season, we'll see a big difference in Farady. Due to all concepts of time etc being different, he'll become very important to everyone and maybe get respect from, GASP, SAWYER! Faraday's been acting more "normal" as well. The producers know how great Faraday is, they won't kill him. Also, Desmond as his Constant hasn't been used yet.

I agree that he went with the island for few reasons:

-he is the primary source of exposition regarding electromagnetism, so the writers need his character.

-why devote 5-10 minutes of screen time to Faraday in the finale, only to make him evaporate?

-I think one of the O6, Lapidus, or Desmond would have spotted the dinghy in their frantic search of the island before the crash.

-Jeremy Davies knows a good paycheck when he sees it. He's an indie actor, so it's not like he'd be pulling down millions in his film roles. Besides, for his part there's probably not alot of shooting days. And who wouldn't want to be stuck filming in Hawaii?

Both Dan and Charlotte will be needed to help explain the scientific mysteries of the island. I imagine Charlotte will be studying the four-toed statue at some point.

i agree. it will be funny to see them all stumble upon it. seeing as how the only people that saw it, are off the island now. and never thought of it as interesting enough to share.

He goes back to the freighter looking for survivers and finds Jin. ;)

I agree that Dan is fine, but I also think Jin is fine too. He may have died in the explosion, but Doc Ray floating up on shore was a clue. Jin's body likely got caught in the bubble along with Dan's raft and when they reappear, Dan will find Jin alive in the water and rescue him, bringing him back to the island. I'm convinced Jin's death was a fakeout. Michael probably never floated back into the bubble or was too close to the explosion point and is in a dozen pieces.

I wish they hadn't left it unresolved but I expect next season will open with Daniel rescuing Jin and both of them returning to the island.

I agree that Dan is fine, but I also think Jin is fine too. He may have died in the explosion, but Doc Ray floating up on shore was a clue. Jin's body likely got caught in the bubble along with Dan's raft and when they reappear, Dan will find Jin alive in the water and rescue him, bringing him back to the island. I'm convinced Jin's death was a fakeout. Michael probably never floated back into the bubble or was too close to the explosion point and is in a dozen pieces.

I wish they hadn't left it unresolved but I expect next season will open with Daniel rescuing Jin and both of them returning to the island.

I like your reasoning, pace, and I agree with your optimistic interpretation of things.

I mean, without them, who is actually left of the "beach crew"? Just Rose, Bernard, Juliet and Sawyer? (Am I forgetting anyone?) Claire is off goodness-knows-where, and Locke is now officially an other. We need Jin and Dan to stick around.

Right, there has to be a bunch of people left on the beach for stories there. Dan will return with Jin.

I think this is a case of writers not knowing if the actor who plays Daniel is going to available next season. He works in a lot of movies and may not want to work on a tv show for the long term. This gives the writers a lot of flexibility; if the actor is available they can just move the raft with the island but if he is not available they can easily write him off.

Probably the right idea (in the real world). Not as fun to think about though, in our Lost world!

Faraday rocks and the fans instantly loved his character. Let's hope he's in that time loop and we see him again.

I agree that Dan is fine, but I also think Jin is fine too. He may have died in the explosion, but Doc Ray floating up on shore was a clue. Jin's body likely got caught in the bubble along with Dan's raft and when they reappear, Dan will find Jin alive in the water and rescue him, bringing him back to the island. I'm convinced Jin's death was a fakeout. Michael probably never floated back into the bubble or was too close to the explosion point and is in a dozen pieces.

I wish they hadn't left it unresolved but I expect next season will open with Daniel rescuing Jin and both of them returning to the island.

Sorry Pace, but I just don't see this happening. The helo was closer to the island when it vanished than Jin would have been (if he survived the explosion). I could see where Daniel may have been within the bubble - and I hope that he was - but not Jin. If the bubble had been large enough to cover Jin it would have caught the helo as well.

Maybe the bubble only extended halfway through the raft and half of it went with the island and the other half remained behind!

Just being silly, but then again, maybe not! ;)

I agree that Dan is fine, but I also think Jin is fine too. He may have died in the explosion, but Doc Ray floating up on shore was a clue. Jin's body likely got caught in the bubble along with Dan's raft and when they reappear, Dan will find Jin alive in the water and rescue him, bringing him back to the island. I'm convinced Jin's death was a fakeout. Michael probably never floated back into the bubble or was too close to the explosion point and is in a dozen pieces.

I wish they hadn't left it unresolved but I expect next season will open with Daniel rescuing Jin and both of them returning to the island.

This is what I hope happens for both characters, pace. I truly think that Dan needs to be on the Island next season and I really hope that Jin is as well. I also think, considering that Christian told Michael to go, that Michael is really dead.

I am hoping Dan was in the bubble and picked up Jin. It would be perfect. Or Jin swims to the island himself like Sawyer.

I agree that Dan is fine, but I also think Jin is fine too. He may have died in the explosion, but Doc Ray floating up on shore was a clue. Jin's body likely got caught in the bubble along with Dan's raft and when they reappear, Dan will find Jin alive in the water and rescue him, bringing him back to the island. I'm convinced Jin's death was a fakeout. Michael probably never floated back into the bubble or was too close to the explosion point and is in a dozen pieces.

yes and no
No: The freighter was much much closer to the island than when Doc Ray met his end.

Yes: Assuming still far enough out...this could really be cool! Jin could jump off the back of the freighter as it explodes and come ashore 1 day before the freighter blows up. Owwww... okay.....

To what end did they show us Doc Ray washing ashore...then Omar getting the morse code message....then Keamy killing the doctor? Isn't it true, he asks in lawyer fashion, that those scenes have not been placed in any real context yet? Much like Faraday's notation that Desmond is his constant?

Me thinks I like your thinking on this.

And Michael got blowed to shark bait bits, and he had Christian's permission to go...so...bye Michael.

And furthermore....TPTB had Jin off of the island so that there wouldn't necessarily be any of those meet yourself problems that would need explaining. Granted, off the island for a little while, but nonetheless, off the island.

I think there was a brief shot of Dan and his crew watching the island disappear also.
I don't think they went with it.

My guess is that Dan will be the one to rescue Jin from the freighter wreckage.

Yep. This was my thought exactly.
I don't want to Jin to die, so basically, this is my only hope.
(Jin was towards the end of the boat. He could've easily jumped.)

My guess is that Dan will be the one to rescue Jin from the freighter wreckage.


Liking that theory, seems more than possible


If not that, i figure he could be a gonner, considering the rest of the people on the speedboat were redshirts...

think of the island moving and winking out of space and time by moving in a bubble and since the bubble would have gone so far out from the center of the island in a circle, which means that the boat would have been caught in that bubble as it was on the island's horizon...just theory..we'll see next season

great theory and I subscribe to it! ALSO I think that will explain how Jin survives because I don't think for a second that he is dead. He gets sucked in the water along with the island and will be bobbing in the ocean close to wherever the island moved to!

I wouldn't put it past the writers so have Daniel caught in some sort of state of flux with regards to time or space. He has dealt with the topics before. I can't really get into too many specifics cuz I haven't hashed it all out myself, and it woudl fry my brain anyway. But with Desmond seemingly being finished with his time travel exploits, the writers would need a new vehicle for that wackiness. Daniel could be that character.

Am I wrong, or is the last thing Daniel or Charlotte knew was that the island was about to be torched and that's why they needed to get off?

Am I wrong, or is the last thing Daniel or Charlotte knew was that the island was about to be torched and that's why they needed to get off?

When Dan, Charlotte and the Losties listened in Frank's phone to Keamy and the mercs, he heard them say "Orchid". That's when Dan started freaking out and told Charlotte that the mercs were using the secondary protocol. In the season finale we find out that Dan did seem to know more about the Orchid's capability during his conversation with Charlotte. He says......"If you don't come with me for now, it could be forever" which I took for him knowing the Island would disappear,

Sorry Pace, but I just don't see this happening. The helo was closer to the island when it vanished than Jin would have been (if he survived the explosion). I could see where Daniel may have been within the bubble - and I hope that he was - but not Jin. If the bubble had been large enough to cover Jin it would have caught the helo as well.

Well, the thing is we don't know what how TPTB are going to explain the properties and repercussions of the Orchid. The helicopter was in the air and therefore had no contact with anything physical that might have been affected by the bubble. The zodiac was in physical contact with the water and therefore may have been more prone to the effects of the bubble than the chopper which was in the air.

Also, Dan and the rest of the people on the Zodiac were not shown to be staring at the Island as it disappeared, they were shown staring at the light which became so bright, they turned away. The only people who were shown staring at the Island as it disappeared were our dear friends on the chopper.

Jin's survival seems a definite possibility to me, and I like the idea Dan will pick him up on the zodiac. Michael is a goner.

i imagine he'll turn up 'crazy' like Desmond was in the constant and Des will deny him at 1st

I think he is with the island...remember when Ben let Michael and Walt go they had to follow a specifc bearing, and add that to the bearing Dan already knew and the fact that Desmond kept circling the island unable to leave becaus ehe had no bearing...and you get that the islands hold reaches beyond the land border and out in to the sea...he will be with the island and unable to leave it because the bearings will be different in its new position.....just some thoughts.........

Yep. This was my thought exactly.
I don't want to Jin to die, so basically, this is my only hope.
(Jin was towards the end of the boat. He could've easily jumped.)

Yeah, I don't want to see Jin gone. Not only was he on the end of the boat, he knew the bomb was going to explode -- so when the helicopter didn't come back, I'm sure he jumped and started swimming. Whether he made it anywhere or not, we have 6 months to wait and see.

I would assume that there is a certain distance outside of the island that moves with it? Like the Hydra station?

Hopefully Dan and the red shirts poofed with the island and they were in distance of it moving?

Yup, I agree. I think Dan, the raft full of losties, the Hyrda Station Island, Dharma Shark and all moved. I'm not so sure about Jin, he'd have to be an Olympic swimmer to make it back inside the island's circle. Hopefully, the writers would have given one of the main characters a better death than that but, we'll just have to wait and see.

I think that those on the raft with Daniel either went with the Island or are sitting on the raft wondering where the Island went. I'm wondering how he seemed to know that he might be leaving the Island and not returning for another boatload? He knew that he wanted Charlotte, Miles, and Juliet to leave with him because he might not be able to get back. Wonder how he knew?

I'm in the "wondering where the island went" camp, because they made too big of an issue about the separation of Dan and Charlotte. I think Dan is going to spend next season trying to get back to his lady.

"Dan is going to spend next season trying to get back to his lady."

AW! That's just too depressing. I hope not. Daniel's too adorable to deserve such a fate.

No, I think that Daniel has to be fine. Jin too. Because as someone mentioned earlier there are only a few of the main characters left on the beach/island now. There is just Juliet, Sawyer, Miles, Charlotte, Bernard, and Rose left of the main characters. And Locke, but he's not going to interact with them in the same way anymore.

Bernard and Rose...well I don't think that they are very important characters and that their story arc is close to done...except for maybe finding out why Bernard knows Morse Code. So really it's just Juliet, Sawyer, Charlotte, and Miles. We've seen a lot of Sawyer flashbacks and I don't really know what's left to show there...Juliet, I'm sure could have more interesting island flashbacks. So then it's just Charlotte and Miles left. They are new and intriguing characters and their flashbacks will be informative. Also Charlotte can handle the four toed statue and the people who used to/still do live on the island. Miles can handle the mystical aspects of the island. But that's still only 4 main characters on the beach. So that's why Daniel and Jin have to come back. 6 on the beach, 6 back in the real world. Daniel needs to be there to explain all the wierd space-time continuum problems. And Jin...well he's just too awesome. Plus he's another character who we can find out more about.

I disagree that Bernard and Rose are not important characters....I hope to see more of them....there are more people on the island still...Jacob, Claire, Christian...all the others...we still haven't gotten to the Temple....soooo much more to tell.....

I think they made it pretty clear, if you watch (and especially listen) carefully. The same "orb of light", for lack of a better term, that enveloped first the Others, in the middle of the island, then Juliette and Sawyer on the beach, also enveloped Dan and his redshirts. Then it approached the chopper, and stopped just short of it before it disappeared with everything in it.

As for Jin, I really think they've put too much emotional investment in him being dead for there to be any possibility of him to turning up alive.

I think they made it pretty clear, if you watch (and especially listen) carefully. The same "orb of light", for lack of a better term, that enveloped first the Others, in the middle of the island, then Juliette and Sawyer on the beach, also enveloped Dan and his redshirts. Then it approached the chopper, and stopped just short of it before it disappeared with everything in it.

As for Jin, I really think they've put too much emotional investment in him being dead for there to be any possibility of him to turning up alive.

I'm with you! The Zodiac was in the Island's "sphere" so it went along with the Island. And Jin will have been thrown off the freighter as it exploded and somehow made it to the Island too. Of course,saving Jin may involve a little bit of Island "assistance" but I don't think the Island is done with Jin yet. We just have to have one Daddy that is a good father on Lost!

It's always good to have a continence plan. ;)

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+continence&meta=


Ha Ha! Continence plans are good, mmkay!

If Dan and the survivors were not carried with the island, they would have to be part of the flash forward story by now. The other survivors would have been noticed and the O6's story wouldn't correlate with theirs. That's why I think Daniel's raft must have disappeared with the island. (Not to mention, the helicopter passengers should have seen the raft in the water if it didn't disappear).

If Dan and the survivors were not carried with the island, they would have to be part of the flash forward story by now. The other survivors would have been noticed and the O6's story wouldn't correlate with theirs. That's why I think Daniel's raft must have disappeared with the island. (Not to mention, the helicopter passengers should have seen the raft in the water if it didn't disappear).
I just wonder if Dan will become unstuck in time? If he was taken with the Island that means he was exposed to more EM/radiation,I think. But I can't imagine how he would be able to contact Des,his constant ? Hmmm....wonder if that "unstuck in time" phenomena will resurface?

We specifically have been shown Dan looking up in his journal the quote he wrote sometime in the past where he said Desmond will be his constant...I will not be surprised to see a Daniel episode next season, that will involve being unstuck in time and needing Desmond and Penny to return to the island in its new location to help Dan out....Dan will be within the islands realm and Penny will need to get there to escape from Ben...this could be a possibility....just a thought.

It's always good to have a continence plan. ;)

OMG I can't stop laughing.. when I read the original post I was thinking that somehow it had to do with Dan being on the water -- and perhaps it was an alternate use of the word when dealing with wet situations.. but I quickly over-ruled that thought and giggled up till I read this statement - at which point I started laughing and continue to do so.

I did rewatch a few times trying to see if there was any indication regarding Dan's fate. He's grown on me and I want him to survive. However, there's really nothing I've seen that points to either choice - survival or not. I think it's just one of those we have to wait to find out because there's not even enough to speculate on speculation.

Why would there be speculation on him surviving or not? I think the 2 choices should be whether he traveled with the island or if he and the rafters will be found as the O6 + Des and Frank were found. There is nothing in my opinion that points to him dying at this point. He wasn't close to the freighter was he?