My personal theory is that during the week that the O6, Frank and DesPenny were together on the boat, that DesPenny decided to try to find the island and help those who were left behind. When Jack and Desmond say goodbye to each other, and Desmond says that he'll be okay as long as he's with Penny, the feeling I got is that he was willing to go back there, as long as she was with him.

I wonder if Penny also wants to figure out what her father is up to and what is so special about the island.

Maybe DesPenny will be Adam & Eve....

I think they need to get separated again. What made them great was their epic quest to find each other. I hope they aren't turned into another Jack and Kate.

No, don't separate them! They will work together and be an amazing team. They are nothing like Jack and Kate.

Despenny Is The Cheese To My Maceroni!

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I wonder if Desmond is included in the "everyone has to go back" thing? Otherwise there's really nothing left for Desmond to do on this show.

Where do they go? Hiding. This was a convienent way to somewhat wrap up their story and put them on the back burner until it's time to encounter Ben.

Just a thought.... did anyone else notice the part where it said that a week had passed between the O6 getting picked up and when they finally got "planted' at the other spot? That week is lost, plus it would take them another week to get back to the same spot, right? Those raft people couldn't be there for 2 weeks!

....to their bedroom. End of story.

Des is going to be busy protecting Penny as Ben has vowed to kill her in retaliation for Widmore killing Alex. I also agree that if they "all" have to go back to the island, Frank and Desmond are going to have to be there.

They'll get bored with each other, fight over who's turn is it to do the dishes, and break up within three months.

Where do they go? Hiding. This was a convienent way to somewhat wrap up their story and put them on the back burner until it's time to encounter Ben.

Exactly my thoughts as well. Des and Penny will be in the shadows for awhile and then resurface probably later in S5. Ben will probably realize that Penny could be a great resource/advantage in getting back to the Island. Des and Penny will play into the story again. I'm also a fan of them being Adam and Eve, their love is certainly "Truly Undying Love".

I think they go into "hiding" - working behind the scenes somehow. That's why Widmore told Ben he'd never find Penny - because Widmore doesn't know where she is.

No, don't separate them! They will work together and be an amazing team. They are nothing like Jack and Kate.


Absolutely. I predict they will be the eyes and ears that helps ALL the Losties know what Widmore is up to. And they will do it hand in hand with strength and courage. OMG...Penny is gonna be such an awesome heroine. TPTB>>>>ARE YOU LISTENING?????? :D

They'll get bored with each other, fight over who's turn is it to do the dishes, and break up within three months.

LOL! :biggrin:

At this point, does Desmond or Penny know about Ben going after her?

I could see it playing out as Romeo & Juliet: remember the spider that paralyzed the infamous Nicki and Paulo? What if Penny fakes her death to trick Ben but Des isn't in on the trick and kills himself thinking she's really dead. And then Pen does the same thing like in the play. Tragic but epic.

They'll get bored with each other, fight over who's turn is it to do the dishes, and break up within three months.

If only it were that simple. :rolleyes:

What were Jack's last words to Desmond? It was something like...

Don't let them find you

...and I thought it was a nice twist that one of the "them" that Jack mentions was stood on Penny's boat at the time.

I agree with what others have said, Desmond & Penny need to stay hidden from Ben & Sayid.

At this point, does Desmond or Penny know about Ben going after her?


I'm not sure how they will pick up the story in S5, but Ben conceivably jumped right from the island to Tunisia in (oct?) 2005, which is about 10 months after where we are now (right around new years 2005). So that's the point where Ben tracks down Widmore and tells him he will kill Penny. IMO, Jack's comment to Des on the boat about hiding from them didn't really make much sense (who is them?) He would know nothing of Ben's vendetta, and Widmore's relationship at this point with both Penny and Des is very nebulous. I'm hoping we get an early S5 ep that FB's to Des right after he and Pen got off, to catch us up to post-TNPLH time.

But I was definitely always reluctant to even have a Des/Pen reunion this early in the show -- they are so great (and imo the only couple I really feel invested in) so for them to just be on the back-burner or disappearing somewhere for most of next season, I really hope tptb don't go that route :frown: Even if it means another separation for them, with Penny hiding somewhere and Des being forced to take more of an offense stand against Ben, that would be much better, I think.

I fear this might be a little like Walt and Michael on the boat at the end of S2, and I really really really hope tptb don't sideline Des and/or Penny that way. They deserve more than that!

Jack's comment to Des on the boat about hiding from them didn't really make much sense (who is them?)

The "them" Jack was talking about was whoever put a fake O815 at the bottom of the Sunda Trench wasn't it?

The "them" Jack was talking about was whoever put a fake O815 at the bottom of the Sunda Trench wasn't it?

Yeah, in retrospect I realize it was in the context of knowing that anyone who got off the island could be in danger, just as all of the left-behinds would be in danger if the truth ever came out. After all, all the survivors have some very powerful knowledge about a very special place that could be dangerous in the wrong hands.

I'm also wondering what kind of talk the O6 and Penny had during that time on the boat = Hurley could tell her what her father did, and that could prompt Des/Penny to stay hidden from him too. However, I always had the impression from TSOTTC that Widmore actually knew where she was, and that he helped orchestrate her hiding (after all, he would probably guess, before Ben came looking for him, that she might be in danger, and would trust himself and his own resources to hide her better than poor schmuck Desmond. But who knows?

Who do you really trust in that situation, crazy, power-hungry homicidal father, or, er, other crazy, power-hungry homicidal father? (meaning both Ben and Widmore are people they would do best to avoid)

I'm hoping that they don't just back-burner the DesPenny story, as much as I will admit that in a way, I'd be okay with that too. What I wouldn't have been okay with is if they would have back-burnered the story without them finding one another. I agree that part of their appeal was in the never ending search for one another, but something just would not have sat right had I never gotten a reunion. I do really, really love the idea of them being Adam and Eve. Basically, I'm indecisive. :confused:

I'm thinking that their story isn't over yet, and we haven't seen the end of them. After all, Ben has vowed to kill Penny, and we're still unsure if Desmond is one of the ones that "have to go back" (which I personally don't think he is). Hopefully, if we don't get them until later in the season, we'll at least get to see the conversation that transpired on the boat after their rescued, Penny's reaction to everything Desmond has been through, and her role (if any) in fabricating their lie.

I wonder if Desmond is included in the "everyone has to go back" thing?

Well, if Locke's dead body is included, I think all the live people who left are probably meant to go back too. Which means Aaron, and possibly Ji Yeon as well, although how a two-yr-old and a three-yr-old could change anything I don't know.

Otherwise there's really nothing left for Desmond to do on this show.

Oh, I can think of something... Remember Ben telling Widmore that he would kill Penny so that Widmore would know how it felt to lose a daughter? Widmore probably can't disappear with Penny himself, he's a pretty public figure. And he's probably too old to protect her properly anyway, so he might end up relying on Desmond to do it for him... looking after Penny might be the only thing those two ever manage to agree on.

As for the going back issue... Ben moved the island, so Ben can't go back. Ben is out to get Penny. Given his apparently near-infinite resources, where's the one place he'll never be able to get to her?

Yep, the island. Des, the O6 and the O6 daycare group (the toddlers) go back, and Des takes Penny with him to keep her safe. Two birds, one stone.

I wonder if Desmond is included in the "everyone has to go back" thing? Otherwise there's really nothing left for Desmond to do on this show.
I'm wondering the same thing. I assume it DOES include Walt, but Des I'm not sure.
It will depend if he was "brought" to the Island by the same force as 815 or "sent" to get lost by Widmore.

Well, after the exhausting trauma that was the Island movement, I'd think that Lapidus would invite Des and Penny back to his Bahamas digs for a much-deserved vacation, kick back with some margaritas, and listening to Jimmy Buffet for days on end. :cool:

I think as soon as Widmore finds out Keamy killed Alex, he pretty much knows what Ben will do next (These guys seem to know each other very well). If Desmond and Pen aren't already in hiding (which I think Jack's comment suggested) then Widmore would definitely send them into hiding, and although I like the idea of Widmore having to rely on Desmond, I think DesPenny probably went into hiding immediately after returning.

I feel like maybe around the 5th episode of Season 5 we'll find out what's up.

And I think Des and Penny hiding on the island makes alot of sense (if they can find it), but I dont think Desmond has to go back. I think he played his role. I've always doubted that everyone was meant to spend forever on the island, just long enough to do their jobs.

Neat side note, if Desmond was meant to go back, wouldn't that make him invincible like Ben and Widmore? With the island keeping him alive.

I wonder if Desmond is included in the "everyone has to go back" thing? Otherwise there's really nothing left for Desmond to do on this show.

No, I don't think he is. I think that he will help the O6 go back, or help defeat Ben or Widmore.

Where do they go? Hiding. This was a convienent way to somewhat wrap up their story and put them on the back burner until it's time to encounter Ben.

They might be backburnered, yes, but not wrapped up at all.

Exactly my thoughts as well. Des and Penny will be in the shadows for awhile and then resurface probably later in S5. Ben will probably realize that Penny could be a great resource/advantage in getting back to the Island. Des and Penny will play into the story again. I'm also a fan of them being Adam and Eve, their love is certainly "Truly Undying Love".

I love the idea of them being Adam & Eve. I hope that TPTB don't make A&E Jate or Skate, just cause one large faction of the fans will be disappointed. Maybe DesPenny help the O6 come back to the island and do whatever needs to happen. Eventually those people leave again or die or something... but DesPenny choose to stay there. Maybe neither Ben nor Widmore nor DHARMA nor whomever can return, so the island is really the only safe place for them. They can stay there and be together, forever, until they die.
Just an idea.

Hopefully, if we don't get them until later in the season, we'll at least get to see the conversation that transpired on the boat after their rescued, Penny's reaction to everything Desmond has been through, and her role (if any) in fabricating their lie.

I really hope we see that week in a FB. I have a feeling we will.

Well, if Locke's dead body is included, I think all the live people who left are probably meant to go back too. Which means Aaron, and possibly Ji Yeon as well, although how a two-yr-old and a three-yr-old could change anything I don't know.
I hadn't thought of Ji Yeon. I can't imagine Sun bringing her back. Unless she is really convinced it is more safe for them there, and that maybe Jin is alive.

I'm wondering the same thing. I assume it DOES include Walt, but Des I'm not sure.
It will depend if he was "brought" to the Island by the same force as 815 or "sent" to get lost by Widmore.

I keep forgetting about Walt. I think that's actually the key reason he was brought back for this episode, basically as a reminder. He'll have to go back, too. Yeah.
And again, I don't think Des has to go back, but his destiny is tied up with the Island and the O6, and therefore he must help them in their endeavors.