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james_sawyer
05-30-2008, 01:11 AM
That's his name, right?

Anyways, when Ben put on the thick winter coat, it had that name on the chest.

Can we infer from this that Halliwax went to the "cold room" and moved the island a long time before?

Charlie
05-30-2008, 01:14 AM
Do we know who Halliwax is and I missed it?

Edit: oh, Candle?

slickfifty
05-30-2008, 01:14 AM
Right after that happened is when he went to the Sahara desert in that other episode-remember he was flat on his back in the sand wearing the parka with that wound on his arm. I guess right then is when he left the Island for good.-one year in the future, to boot, if you recall.

eyris
05-30-2008, 01:14 AM
Good catch. But if Haliwax had moved the island, his coat wouldn't have been there anymore, right? (Assuming that when you move the island you get teleported to the desert like Ben did.) I think we'll end up seeing Haliwax/Candle/whatever-his-name somewhere on the island in "real-time," either dead or alive.

Charlie
05-30-2008, 01:16 AM
Good catch. But Haliwax had moved the island, his coat wouldn't have been there anymore, right? (Assuming that when you move the island you get teleported to the desert like Ben did.)

Unless he came back (and supposedly they aren't supposed to or can't) and brought the coat with him (which seems ridiculous..).

james_sawyer
05-30-2008, 01:17 AM
Good catch. But Haliwax had moved the island, his coat wouldn't have been there anymore, right? (Assuming that when you move the island you get teleported to the desert like Ben did.)

Touche!!! Very good point!!! That went right over my head...

So, then...we're left wondering what really happened to Halliwax. And why would he have a coat? It seems to me that they would have never let him off the island. He seems like such an important man in Dharma. I wonder if everyone in Dharma had a heavy coat, and if it was left in the Orchid just in case.

cosmicdreams
05-30-2008, 01:20 AM
Looked like a 2 way route to me. Perhaps this halliwax dude brought the coat with him.

Charlie
05-30-2008, 01:21 AM
I don't know but when Ben said where he was going was cold.. and then when he started going down and broke the ice... all those theories about the island being at the poles came rushing to my mind and I was SURE he was going to walk out onto a glacier.

Still... what was up with the cold climate change buried in the island's earth? It didn't seem like it was set up by man like that, it seemed natural.

LillyIsHot
05-30-2008, 01:40 AM
Maybe he had more than one jacket?

Gobi-1
05-30-2008, 02:09 AM
First I think the Orchid can be used two ways. The first way is how Dharma does it. You stand inside the chamber (with no metal) and they can send you to where ever you'd like to go. The North Pole, New York, Tallahassee, Tunisia, etc. Dharma appears to have experimented with sending Polar Bears to cold climates. If they tried to send people to cold climates and bring them back they would dress accordingly. Because they were experimenting things sometimes went to the wrong place, such as Polar Bears in the desert. It seems they were able to correct these mistake and send people exactly where they wanted to go. Mr. Friendly to New York for example.

The second way to use the Orchid is a reverse of the first. Instead of moving one thing from the island to somewhere else you can move the island itself. Ben obviously tore up the Dharma Orchid chamber so he could get to the original device used to manipulate the "time warp/worm hole." However it's unpredictable so while you can manipulate the "unusual properties" to move the island as a side effect you'll be sent somewhere else as Ben finds out when he lands in Tunisia a year into the future.

When Ben mentions that the Island has been moved before I'm assuming the Orchid chamber was repaired so the Others could make precise jumps and go back and forth without incident.

So basically what I'm saying is that Dr. Halliwax was able to come and go through the Orchid without incident and if he was going to a cold climate he wore his jacket.

SeafaringTurnip
05-30-2008, 02:17 AM
I just figured that since the Orchid harnessed the natural powers of the island, Haliwax could have been one of the researchers who went down to this cold area (thus needing the jacket) when they created the mechanism that the Orchid station works. The coat would be there because he would have stopped using it when the station was completed and the hole to the cold area was sealed up.

whoami
05-30-2008, 02:43 AM
isn't it quite possible that the "incident" was someone moved the island and not the purge? ;)

younghutch
06-06-2008, 07:02 PM
Dharma built the vault to conduct their "silly experiments" as shown in the video.

Why would Halliwax need a parka? He wasn't wearing 1 in the video & wouldn't appear to need one for the bunny experiment.

Are we to assume that he took the ladders to hell and visited the wheel? And what did he do when he was down there?

Pythagoras99
06-06-2008, 07:04 PM
Dharma built the vault to conduct their "silly experiments" as shown in the video.

Why would Halliwax need a parka? He wasn't wearing 1 in the video & wouldn't appear to need one for the bunny experiment.

Are we to assume that he took the ladders to hell and visited the wheel? And what did he do when he was down there?

I'm sure they did some experiments down there in the early days of the project, before they built the chamber, in order to perform more controlled experiments with the proper safety measures.

Avius
06-06-2008, 09:06 PM
I'm thinking he had to be down there. At what point did they decide they were going to seal it up? The only access was by blowing out the back of the vault? How was the matter even accessed that way?

kansasgal71
06-06-2008, 09:16 PM
And there is also the fact that the parka was even there. If Dharma blocked the tunnel, why would someone ever need the parka. Specific instructions were on the video to never put metal inside. Dharma had no intentions of ever opening up the tunnel again, so why the need for the parka to be there???

toddintexas
06-06-2008, 11:26 PM
Maybe there is another way to access the FDW without blowing a hole in the chamber wall and we just don't know about it yet, and obviously neither does Ben. Maybe another ancient passage joins the one leading to the FDW, like the one Ben used to release Smokie. These ancient tunnels may all intersect. Or else Ben had an ulterior motive for going to the Orchid. Who knows, this is LOST, which has mysteries on top of mysteries on top of mysteries.........

The Swan did have 2 entry points, the door that Locke blew off, and the backdoor that Desmond ran out of. The Pearl also had 2 ways to get in, the one the Losties used and then the tunnel that Juliet and Ben took. There could be another way in.

hezekiah
06-11-2008, 01:46 PM
And there is also the fact that the parka was even there. If Dharma blocked the tunnel, why would someone ever need the parka. Specific instructions were on the video to never put metal inside. Dharma had no intentions of ever opening up the tunnel again, so why the need for the parka to be there???

Yes-exactly. This bugs me. Was Haliwax's the only parka there? What bothers me the most is just how conveniently that Orchid film and VCR were there for Locke to watch and how Ben deliberately loaded the metal into the chamber when the film said not to and how Ben used the phrase "silly experiments. Something just doesn't set right with me