Im more convinced than ever that Locke is Jacob. The coffin is the "magic box" and he mustbe brought back to the island by the 6 because they were never destined to leave the island. Like Christian in his "magic box", once Locke comes to the island, Jacob can "live", and the island will be safe.

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Maybe? My theory is the island is Jacob.
Paradigm Paralysis

Now that we know what happens to Locke in the future off Island..
Well didn't that flash of "Jacob" in last Season's show.. Look like Locke..
Maybe this explains it.. They take his body back.. he's somehow.. Transported back in forth through time and space.. And he is The Island "Guru" Jacob.. Maybe that is why Locke could not see him last season.. he was actually looking at himself!

Maybe Locke's body goes back in a casket, kind've like how Christian did before he became an occupant of the cabin...

I think Locke is Jack

I hear ya, but I think Jacob is the island.
For now.

I would like to see a flashback from Lockes perspective the scene in 4x01 where Hurley see's the cabin

Did you see the look on Ben's face when Locke asked "is this the magic box?"

There is no box.

My theory is the island is Jacob.

Mine too, and Ben Linus would seem to agree.

BEN: You have to understand, everything I did, I did for the Island.

MIKHAIL: The Island told you it was necessary for you to jam your own people?

BEN: Yes it did. You've always been a loyalist, Mikhail, now I'm asking you to trust me, to trust Jacob who told me to do this.

MIKHAIL: Why would Jacob ask you to lie to your own people?

BEN: Because this Island is under assault by forces stronger than anything it's had to deal with in many many years. And we are meant to protect it, Mikhail, by any means necessary.

Ben uses the terms The Island and the name Jacob interchangeably.

I also think that the Smoke Monster is very closely to connected, I've often wondered if Jacob, The Island and The Monster are all parts of the same thing.

I would like to see a flashback from Lockes perspective the scene in 4x01 where Hurley see's the cabin

I thought that was Locke's eye too but apparently not, it's all Jacob.

The first time we saw his eye I thought it looked like Desmond...

http://images.lostpedia.com/images/e/ee/3x20eye.png

And the last time I thought it was Locke...

http://images.lostpedia.com/images/b/ba/Jacob%27s_Eye.png

Might explain why Locke can't "see" Jacob.

We've been set up from Day 1 to understand that Locke's connection with the Island is more profound that anyone else's, even Walt's. Locke, therefore, has to be more than some goofy Col. Kurtz running around blowing things up all the time.

Furthermore, of all the castaways, Locke seems to have the LEAST going for him back home. The Island is, and has always been, his home.

"Welcome home", says Richard Alpert.

Locke = Jacob = The Island? I can live with that.

edit - In the Dark Tower cycle (of which Abrams, Cuse, and Lindelof are fans), the popular theory is that Roland IS the Tower. Perhaps some parallels?

I think Locke is the current carnation of jacob, it would fit with Alpert going back to find out if the child Locke is the actual human flesh the seeming spirit form Jacob is born in.

With Locke now being dead its also another reinforcement that perhaps Jacob is Locke in a future timeline hence the half alive half dead form jacob seems to take.

I'm convinced that Jacob is the Island and the Island is Jacob.
Locke is Locke and is possibly related to Ben in some way.. and Ben is Ben..

a good reason for him to survive bullet wounds, regain his legs, and become the leader he was destined to be
'dont tell me what i cant do...'
so how different would this all be if he had just went ot the darn science camp when he was a teenager????

I'm convinced that Jacob is the Island and the Island is Jacob.
Locke is Locke and is possibly related to Ben in some way.. and Ben is Ben..

I'd be interested to listen to your, or anyone else's views on this... I've never really bought that "the island is special" i thought the 'miricles' that happened to Locke and Rose was due to the island being in 1996 (before Rose got cancer and Locke was paralysed) and i've read theories where the Smoke Monster maybe the physical form of the universe "Course Correcting". (Although i'm more sceptical about that theory)

I've just never been able to justify that the islnad has "magical powers" more so that advancements is science have been found from the electromagnetic properties of the island as apposed to advancements in faith with an island that can control people's destinies anywhere in the world, make them immortal and appear in human form.

If that was the case why not force Sayid to assasinate all the members that would join the Freighter before they even signed up... why bring him to the island and kill people in a plane crash and seeming accidents ... infact if the island was so powerful why didn't it just force the freighter intruders to kill themselves or destroy the rest of our planet so it would be safe from us all?

I'd be interested to listen to your, or anyone else's views on this... I've never really bought that "the island is special" i thought the 'miricles' that happened to Locke and Rose was due to the island being in 1996 (before Rose got cancer and Locke was paralysed) and i've read theories where the Smoke Monster maybe the physical form of the universe "Course Correcting". (Although i'm more sceptical about that theory)

Before I attempt to type my view.. I need to clarify that I think the idea of the Island (as a mass of land) having wants, desires, goals is ridiculous. So when I read that the island has a use for so and so and therefore is keeping them alive - I have a very hard time wrapping my mind around that idea. So I'm not really seeing the Island as a mass of land with it's own abilities.


I've just never been able to justify that the islnad has "magical powers" more so that advancements is science have been found from the electromagnetic properties of the island as apposed to advancements in faith with an island that can control people's destinies anywhere in the world, make them immortal and appear in human form.

There is something different about this island. I think that whatever it is - isn't anything new. It's ancient. Therefore advancements in science - at least modern science really have no bearing on what it can and can't do. I think it's a combination of the location and who knows what else - but that the thing that makes it all happen - which manifests itself as the "Island" is also known as Jacob. So I can't say that Jacob is a person - or that the Island is a mass of land. They.. are just something else.. out of this world.. or the world we know. Whatever they/it is - I think they are one and the same. I just have no clue as to what it is that it is..


If that was the case why not force Sayid to assasinate all the members that would join the Freighter before they even signed up... why bring him to the island and kill people in a plane crash and seeming accidents ... infact if the island was so powerful why didn't it just force the freighter intruders to kill themselves or destroy the rest of our planet so it would be safe from us all?
Couldn't agree more. There's lots of things that could have been done to prevent any of the stuff that happened from happening... especially if we're to believe that the island is so powerful and can do stuff in both time and space... BUT... the bottom line is simple as to why it didn't do anything..
there'd be no tv show.

Thanks for the reply LostPack, thats helped me understand your viewpoint better!

i agree, i think the properties found on the island are indeed ancient - the hyroglyphs and the illusive four toed statue; as well as the "frozen donkey wheel" point to that being a pretty concrete possibility.

I'd like to think, or at least hope, that the island is actually an island and that the electromagnetic anomolies are found on the island rather than it being a manifestation to hide the real "secret".

I guess then that the form of Jacob & Christian could be explained by the timetravel: being dead in one dimension or timeline however still living in another... the elctromagnetic properties found on the island perhaps allow for connection between dimensions/timelines and contact between Jacob and the people on the island.

Couldn't agree more. There's lots of things that could have been done to prevent any of the stuff that happened from happening... especially if we're to believe that the island is so powerful and can do stuff in both time and space... BUT... the bottom line is simple as to why it didn't do anything..
there'd be no tv show.

I also think for there to be a tv show there has to be an overall meaning, so there must be some explanation of why events have unfolded as they have... It could be that Jacob is simply seen everything happen before (if is he from the future) and this is how he instructs Ben on what course of action to take next.

If that is all the case, then why are the Losties all wrapped up in this... what is thier role in all this? Since they arrived it seems only bad things have happened, and now they've left, it seems worse things have happened!?

Locke is Locke.
Ben is Ben.
Jacob is the island.
The walrus was Paul.

I am still believing another thread I now cannot find explaining why Aaron is Jacob.

I think Locke is Jack

No, no, Jack is Sawyer and Kate is Claire. Locke is Walt and Vincent is Bernard.

I've often wondered if Jacob, The Island and The Monster are all parts of the same thing.

Son, Father, and Holy Ghost?

IMO, the time/space shifting element introduced via The Orchid could make Jacob almost anyone. What we know:

* "He" was/is held in high esteem by not only the Others/Hostiles, but also by the DI who featured him in a few of their "training" videos.

* "He" appears (appeared?) to be confined to a cabin that had an ash ring around it. Apparently, the cabin can move, and at least for now Jacob can wander outside.

* For moment, when Jacob was visible, he appears to be a guy that looked similar to Locke, but was wearing clothes from a bygone era. Kind of like the stuff Alpert was wearing when Ben met him in the jungle as a kid.

* Jacob appears to have a problem with technology. Fear or hatred?

* Jacob has been alluded to as having miraculous abilities, including the healing of cancer.

* Jacob asked for help when Locke and Ben were in the cabin the first time.

* CS (more than once) and Claire have both shown up in Jacob's cabin.

* Horace Goodspeed was the orginal architect and builder of the cabin, which was filled with "antiques."

My guess is Jacob has been stuck in flux for a LONG time, yet has been able to pull an inordinate amount of strings in an effort to get the right person (s) to the Island in order to be "reanimated". In other words, Jacob wants a body, but it has to fit the right profile.

My guess is Jacob has been stuck in flux for a LONG time, yet has been able to pull and inordinate amount of strings in an effort to get the right person (s) to the Island in order to be "reanimated". In other words, Jacob wants a body, but it has to fit the right profile.

And is that where the Dalai Lama tests might come in?

Nice summary, rr. I would add that * Ben is very afraid of Jacob.
I don't remembert the video references, though. Can you nudge my memory?

edit: fwiw, I think Ben's "are you happy now, Jacob?" was Ben's way of admitting that for now, Jacob had "won". All indicators point to Jacob being allied with the Dharmites. Ben was able to keep him somewhat contained but he still feared him.

In a nutshell, I think that Jacob, the Shephards, and Widmore are all Dharmites. Ben and the hostiles are their adversaries, and of course it's all about control of the island.

Locke is the pivot point between the two factions. Ben and Alpert see him as the messiah, but he's really a prophet paving the way for Jacob/Aaron. So it's all up to Locke....


What we know:

* "He" was/is held in high esteem by not only the Others/Hostiles, but also by the DI who featured him in a few of their "training" videos.

* "He" appears (appeared?) to be confined to a cabin that had an ash ring around it. Apparently, the cabin can move, and at least for now Jacob can wander outside.

Nice summary, rr. I would add that * Ben is very afraid of Jacob.
I don't remembert the video references, though. Can you nudge my memory?

edit: fwiw, I think Ben's "are you happy now, Jacob?" was Ben's way of admitting that for now, Jacob had "won". All indicators point to Jacob being allied with the Dharmites. Ben was able to keep him somewhat contained but he still feared him.

In a nutshell, I think that Jacob, the Shephards, and Widmore are all Dharmites. Ben and the hostiles are their adversaries, and of course it's all about control of the island.

Locke is the pivot point between the two factions. Ben and Alpert see him as the messiah, but he's really a prophet paving the way for Jacob/Aaron. So it's all up to Locke....

I was thinking about the "God loves you as he loves Jacob" in the mind control video Karl was subjected to in Room 23.

As for Ben, Locke, and Aaron, I think both Ben and Locke were set-up by Alpert to be Jacob's "herald" but that's like fitting a square peg into a round hole. Aaron is the key.

I don't think Locke is Jacob, I think if any of the current characters turn out to be Jacob, it will be Richard. But, I don't really think that is the case, either.