This is an appreciation thread for the awesome spectacular Sawyer and Kate kiss in the helicopter (as hyped by Damon and Carlton) and their emotional parting in the finale.

Many thanks to Darlton for giving us such a special bittersweet moment between Sawyer and Kate. He finally became a hero in her eyes.

I loved what the showrunners did. Giving us this amazing and epic farewell (where Sawyer performs a heroic act of genuine love), and paralleling it with the equally wonderful Desmond/Penny reunion. Their reunion kiss was fantastic too.

But let's not have any doubt here.

The spectacular, hot and juicy kiss that Damon and Carlton were hyping for months was between Sawyer and Kate:


DL: Everything's gonna come together in this final two hours. We are gonna see how the Oceanic Six get off the island. We're gonna see why they start lying. We're gonna see who doesn't get off the island and why some of them choose to stay.

CC: And were gonna see a big kiss a really big juicy kiss between two characters.

DL: A spectacular kiss.

CC: And it's gonna be very good for people who are very involved with the Jack-Kate-Sawyer romantic triangle. You're going to see a lot more about that in this finale.

DL: So you're saying that kiss is gonna happen between two of those characters. Jack and Sawyer perhaps?

CC: I'm gonna say not Jack and Sawyer I'm gonna say you can probably pick two other legs of the triangle.

DL: I'm gonna go one better than that there's one spectacular kiss: There's two spectacular kisses in the show...between four different people—not kissing each other. They happen at different times in the show.

CC: And they're not the same characters kissing each other twice, so that will be good.

DL: Separate kisses.

But really, I don't mind Sawyer and Kate sharing the 'spectacular' title with D/P's big reunion moment though because both couples are just so magical on the show.

Now it looks like Sawyer and Kate are going to be the next Des/Penny in terms of epic separations and future reunions on the show. That arc is over for D/P. But for Sawyer and Kate it's only just beginning.

I totally am thrilled that BOTH Sawyer and Kate had moments of loss (seeing the exploded freighter, and the island disappear), thinking that their beloved must have died or be completely lost to them.

The audience is gonna be rooting for them to find their way back to each other now SOOO much. :wub: :inlove: :kiss1:

It was awesome! Unforgetable. ;)

Yes! Darlton said once this season that their intention with the Des/Penny romance was to parallel it with one of the central romances on the show. Who else but Sawyer/Kate? Both couples share so many similarities:

- lovers
- separated for years
- separated by seemingly unreachable distances
- a promise made
- a promise kept

And then this finale gave us the reunion of one couple after their long separation while simultaneously giving us another couple at the start of their long separation.

Spectacular and epic indeed.

And no coincidence.

I'm not a spokesperson for the DesPenny kiss but I don't think it's the last time we've ever seen Desmond. In fact he envoked the dreaded TV curse phrase: "I'll never leave Penny again." Translation: I'll be going back to the Island with Jack and the group.

You NEVER say NEVER in TV. ;)

As for the SKate kiss it was a beautiful and sad moment.

My hope is that because it was a goodbye kiss, the TV gods will let there be a "hello" kiss in Season 6. If DesPenny and SKate are truly paralleling each other - that's not going to be so good for them... (goodbye/hello could mean hello/goodbye)

Not to start a big argument, but I really didn't see Sawyer's sacrifice as that big of a deal. Yes, it was noble of him to do it, but he didn't want to leave the island in the first place. Now, if Jack jumped off the helicopter, that would have been heroic given he has been trying to get off the island for so long. But, to each his/her own.

Yes! Darlton said once this season that their intention with the Des/Penny romance was to parallel it with one of the central romances on the show. Who else but Sawyer/Kate? Both couples share so many similarities:

- lovers
- separated for years
- separated by seemingly unreachable distances
- a promise made
- a promise kept

And then this finale gave us the reunion of one couple after their long separation while simultaneously giving us another couple at the start of their long separation.

Spectacular and epic indeed.

And no coincidence.

Except Desmond didn't cheat on her.

And I'm not sure why people seem to think the Des/Penny story is over. It seemed like it, but don't you remember Ben telling Widmore he was going to kill his daughter (Penny) in "The Shape of Thing to Come".

Des ain't gonna stand for that is he? He'll fight for his woman next season.

Not to start a big argument, but I really didn't see Sawyer's sacrifice as that big of a deal. Yes, it was noble of him to do it, but he didn't want to leave the island in the first place. Now, if Jack jumped off the helicopter, that would have been heroic given he has been trying to get off the island for so long. But, to each his/her own.

Actually, Sawyer did say that he was ready to leave as they boarded the helicopter. Infact, I think he even said "Let's get out of here. I'm tired of looking at this rock." He had finally reached a point where he felt like leaving was the right choice. He made the sacrifice to stay not only because he knew that going home meant so much to everyone else, but also because he cared about their safety. He put their needs above his own and that's what makes him a hero.

Not to start a big argument, but I really didn't see Sawyer's sacrifice as that big of a deal. Yes, it was noble of him to do it, but he didn't want to leave the island in the first place. Now, if Jack jumped off the helicopter, that would have been heroic given he has been trying to get off the island for so long. But, to each his/her own.

I suppose you missed the satisfied smile on his face and his line "its time to get off this rock" as he was hopping on the chopper.

No one was holding a gun to his head forcing him to get on the chopper, whatever demons he would wind up having to face back in the real world, he was ready to do that.

Circumstances wound up going bad, and something needed to be done. Sawyer, just like he's done since he's been on the island stepped up and did it.

I'm baffled as to what Jack has to do with this thread anyway.

Edit: lostnthesoutheast and I seem to think a lot alike.

Without a doubt, a spectacular, defining moment for this couple. It was nothing short of perfection. Sawyer and Kate are IMO the best couple on TV right now, and I can't wait to see what the future brings for them. Is it wrong that I'm already looking forward to a reunion? :)

Not to start a big argument, but I really didn't see Sawyer's sacrifice as that big of a deal. Yes, it was noble of him to do it, but he didn't want to leave the island in the first place. Now, if Jack jumped off the helicopter, that would have been heroic given he has been trying to get off the island for so long. But, to each his/her own.

Truely to each their own because Sawyer's sacrifice was noble, a big deal and heroic. Sawyer stated he wanted to stay when Keamy and his crew weren't coming to kill every living person on the island. He seemed pretty happy to get on that helicopter. "Let's go Freckles, I'm tired of this rock". Doesn't sound like he was planning to stay.

Perhaps this kiss is fell victim to overhype for some, but it was awesomesauce for me. Penny and Desmond's kiss, I didn't find that special. Yay, they were reunited, but their phone call was more emotionally moving.

My hope is that because it was a goodbye kiss, the TV gods will let there be a "hello" kiss in Season 6. If DesPenny and SKate are truly paralleling each other - that's not going to be so good for them... (goodbye/hello could mean hello/goodbye)

Well, I just think that if the writers intended that the two couples would develop in some type of opposition they would have used a term like 'mirrors' instead of 'parallels'. If there's one thing writers know, it's words.

And I'm not sure why people seem to think the Des/Penny story is over.

Who said anything about Des/Penny being over? I sure hope not and I don't believe their story is over at all. I was just commenting on the current state of their respective relationships as we currently know them.

The part that really sold it for me was that tearful smile Kate gives when she sees him in the water. Like she's so relieved he survived the fall, but also as if she was thinking "that's my man, I am so proud of you for doing that."

Finally Kate got to witness his heroism and bravery and she totally felt pride for her love in that moment. At how far he'd come.

I think that was the moment when she finally realised that her dirty, scruffy, snarky, selfish con man had truly grown into a person she could love.

And of course it's the most tragic case of timing to have that realisation. Just then they are torn apart and most likely never going to see each other alive again. Or so they think, anyway.

Soooo poignantly bittersweet.

Exactly what did Sawyer sacrifice? Why was he on that helicopter in the first place? I thought he wanted to stay on the island?



Finally Kate got to witness his heroism and bravery and she totally felt pride for her love in that moment. At how far he'd come.



And then she set her sights on Jack not long after they returned home.

Let's take a look at what some of the reviews of the episode had to say about the Kate and Sawyer kiss and Sawyer's heroics:

From Entertainment Weekly:


And now, a special note to James Ford:

Dear Sawyer,

It was a crime that there was no Sawyer-centric episode this season, but you made up for it in spades! You were home free. The look on Hurley's face when Frank said the chopper was about 200 pounds too heavy spoke volumes. I know you knew that. You also saw the look on Kate's face. I now know you love her more than Jack does. I apologize for thinking he and Kate make the better couple. It should be you two. Your jumping out of the helicopter into the ocean to save the others was the noblest thing I may have ever seen in my life.

Your newest fan,

The Grizz

http://tvfan.ew.com/shows/Lost/recap/691

Then there is this one from The TV Addict:


9:57PM: It’s official. Sawyer wins most romantic fictional TV character of the year by jumping out of the helicopter to save Kate. With Ted Mosby’s two minute date on HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER a close second. That said admit it, we’re all thinking the same thing. Firstly, Hurley probably would have been the ideal choice to lighten the load! And secondly, how many more episodes until we discover what Sawyer whispered to Kate? Damn you LOSTerminds Lindeloff and Cuse!


And from Washington Post blog:

Liz: I liked your characterization in the intro that Sawyer -- despite the fact that he's just a good ol' southern boy -- is more evolved than Jack. He also really looks smart when emerging from the ocean shirtless.

Jen: Here's the interesting thing about Sawyer: He embraced the island and didn't feel the need to leave it. But when everyone else got on the chopper, he was ready to face his life back home, too. He is comfortable with himself in a way that Jack is not. I still love Jack, precisely because his flaws make him an interesting character. But I actually now believe Sawyer is the better man for Kate. I have switched from Team Jater to Team Skater.

Liz: Thank you. Finally. Because, really, if Jack can't love himself, how can he love anyone else?

Just some of the remarks made by on media and entertainment sites:


"The kiss to end all kisses"

"a classic action-hero kiss"

"a fantastic kiss"

"a passionate kiss"

"he planted a kiss on Kate that was definitely one for the books"

"the kind of kiss that stops time. It's nothing short of spectacular"

"a big kiss"

"kissing her in an epic embrace"

"Sawyer wins most romantic fictional TV character of the year"

"Sawyer whispered something to his true love Kate, planted a nice, big wet one on her"

"then planted a sweaty, stubbly kiss on her"

"the most passionate, romantic kiss"

"But I actually now believe Sawyer is the better man for Kate."

"I apologize for thinking Jack and Kate make the better couple."

"Jumping out of the helicopter into the ocean to save the others was the noblest thing I may have ever seen in my life."

I gotta guess most fans loved their spectacular kiss and a good portion of the press as well. What's not to love, Josh and Evi have always lit up the screen.

Too bad Kate had decided to continue the love triangle, once the Oceanic 6 returned home.

Exactly what did Sawyer sacrifice? Why was he on that helicopter in the first place? I thought he wanted to stay on the island?



It seems that you thought wrong, because he said clear as day "I'm tired of this rock." before he hopped on the chopper.

I suppose the guy must have just, I don't know...changed his mind from the feelings that he had eight episodes ago.

It seems that you thought wrong, because he said clear as day "I'm tired of this rock." before he hopped on the chopper.

I suppose the guy must have just, I don't know...changed his mind from the feelings that he had eight episodes ago.

Sawyer flip-flops a lot in his feelings and thoughts. Eight episodes was only a few days ago, but the simple life he was going to lead in New Otherton was gone.

What else was he going to do there at the chopper? Wave goodbye and walk to the beach? I think it was just an impulse more than anything. Had that been on the beach, he may have just stayed.

Remember, it's Sawyer. :rolleyes:

You know, Jack POes alot of people alot of the time. but when he does heroic things, he gets credit for them, from both sides of whatever shipper war there is. Why is it that when sawyer acts like nothing BUT a hero for four episodes in a row, people still act like it's nothing special, stick with first impressions completly and act like a person can't change because he did some things wrong in his past? i dont get it.

sawyer has grown from a selfish person to a person who genuinly cares about other people. and he cared about every single one of those people on the chopper (except maybe frank who he doenst kno too well) but he's shown trust and compassion (AND FORGIVNESS) for sayid in the past, he's proven he cares deeply about hurley, and he even cares about jack, who was nothing short of a dick to him upon their reuinion. and he obviously, obviously loves kate, (tho im still not sure why. she's been nothing short of a bitch to him) so when he makes the sacrifice to stay behind when there is clearly NO one left there for him, and NOTHING left there for him on the island, that's not a big deal?

people dont get why he was comfortable in new otherton...simple quiet life, the people he cared about around him, books everywhere...food water ect. thats all gone now. since most of the people were leaving, and new otherton mostly is blown up. all there is for him on the island now is apparently juliet, and redshirts, and locke and the others. not his idea of heaven. but he could survive there and he knew it. tho it looked like he was eager to get bk to the real world considering the changes.

the admirable part about sawyer is, because of his evolution, he was prepared to make a NEW life for himself in EITHER location. something most of the other characters werent willing to do. and thats something that goes unnoticed by people who are more about shooting him down to protect the sancity of their own favorites, than people who are really into this for the literary merit and meaning.

I thought it was a lovely moment, all of it--Sawyer asking her to find his daughter, the kiss, the jump, Kate's horrified expression, the little smile when he pops up in the water.

For some reason the Desmond-Penny reunion didn't resonate for me. Perhaps it just came too soon after that emotional telephone conversation in The Constant. Maybe no Des-Penny moment could top that.


And then she set her sights on Jack not long after they returned home.

I had the impression that Kate's relationship with Jack took place a few years after the O6 returned.

You know, Jack POes alot of people alot of the time. but when he does heroic things, he gets credit for them, from both sides of whatever shipper war there is. Why is it that when sawyer acts like nothing BUT a hero for four episodes in a row, people still act like it's nothing special, stick with first impressions completly and act like a person can't change because he did some things wrong in his past? i dont get it.

You're one of the few people that will credit Jack for his past heroism. Most conveniently forget the previous 3 months when they anoint Sawyer the new hero. And they conveniently forget the horrible things Sawyer did to Shannon, Sun and Kate in the first 2 months.

Sawyer has been a hero for only about a week (protecting Claire - mostly - and jumpting from the helicopter), but a hero nonetheless. Anyone who denies that is just as bad as those who deny Jack's continued heroism. But a week of heroism is still not enough, IMHO, to counteract the 2 months of bad he accumulated.

Still, Sawyer is on the path to great things on the island and that should be fun next season.

I had the impression that Kate's relationship with Jack took place a few years after the O6 returned.

I think people are referring to the fact that Kate and Jack looked to be together as soon as Hurley's birthday party, which was not long after rescue. I'm sure those holes will be filled next season.

And from Washington Post blog:


You forgot to mention that from this blog Jen notes that the Des Pen Kiss was way way more emotional packed than the Sawyer Kate kiss. And she's an admitted skater. :)


Just some of the remarks made by on media and entertainment sites:


Frankly, I'm glad Damon & Co. write the show, and not the media and entertainment sites. But, it is watching the show, where I get my version of what is happening on the show from. Not the media outlets. Not biased e online writers, or their underlings. Nor from your summary of the media reviews. Most of the online articles reviewing the show, that I read today, described the Penny and Desmond moment as the most romantic and heartfelt moment on the show.

I did find it interesting that this week Damon even started backpedaling on the Sawyer/Kate kiss being the "sole" kiss this week, with the revelation that indeed there was a second kiss, and it was spectacular.

Interesting selective remarks. Well, it was a nice goodbye kiss between Sawyer and Kate. Seemed mostly to be on Sawyer's side. And Kate certainly wasn't very upset once Sawyer hit the water. And it was nice that Sawyer acted like Jack usually does, putting everyone else first, and he was in that moment the hero and saved ALL his friends lives by jumping out of that helicopter.

Just reminding everyone this is a S/K spectacular kiss and heroic sacrifice appreciation thread, not a shipping debate thread, nor a Des/Penny's better thread, nor a disagreement with Darlton's quotes thread.

Try to stay on topic.

Thanks. :rolleyes:

guess what? this one is getting locked too. really people...after 2.5 hrs of editing one thread, i am not bothering with this one.