This is very intriguing stuff.. she was born there?

I'm not sure how MIles knows. The power to read living minds hasn't been alluded to until this episode but, since he, presumably, hasn't been near the Dharma Ditch, that's the only thing I can think of. He can read her mind. :shrug:

Yes, what is with the comment about her finding the place she was born?

I think Miles' ability to read living minds was alluded to in Meet Kevin Johnson. Miles hints to Michael that he knew Kevin Johnson wasn't his real name when they first arrive to board the freighter. Of course, he might have been suggesting that everyone there was giving false names, but that's not how I took it.

I was thinking she could be Annie towards the beginning of this ep. Then I remembered Ben tried to shoot her, wouldn't he recognize her?

Then the Orchid stuff happened. I figure she could have been used as a human experiment or something as a child and propelled into the future/teleported off the island. This could explain why Ben doesn't know what she looks like as an adult, and also why she's much younger than him.

I guess that's pretty out there, but this is LOST after all.

I jumped to the Annie conclusion right away, too. Certainly the red hair and the complexion resemble what Annie could presumably grow up to look like. But Annie was old enough to have formed her lasting accent, and she certainly didn't have the accent that Charlotte has.

Plus, I still like the theory that Ben and Annie married and that she died in childbirth and that led to his obsession with the dying pregnant women.

Therefore, I am leaning towards Charlotte being Charlotte DeGroot -- daughter of the DHARMA leaders.

But, really, it's totally unclear and up in the air. And Miles knowing that about her was very interesting... his powers are much stronger than we understand.

Therefore, I am leaning towards Charlotte being Charlotte DeGroot -- daughter of the DHARMA leaders.


I really like this idea. I thought of Annie immediately too, but I don't think that theory would hold up. But her as a DeGroot could work - it could explain how she knows about the polar beads/digs up the skeleton.

I am wondering too if this idea of Charlotte trying to get back to the island might tie into her namesake, C. S. Lewis. I started thinking of Narnia - not that the island is Narnia, but that it features people who go back and forth to this magical land throughout their lives.

Not sure if she has a connection to any of the characters we have seen so far. While it's an interesting idea, Annie doesn't fit. My guess is we've just seen a preview of one of the main Island stories: What is the connection between Charlotte and the Island?

Charlotte is not Annie. Annie had brown hair and brown eyes.

Maybe Charlotte is Widmore's daughter. Maybe Widmore lived on the island at one time.

ETA: I just checked a screencap to confirm, and she could have dark blue or gray eyes (hard to tell). But her hair is pretty brown. If TPTB cast young Annie to resemble another character, she looks far more like Kate than anyone else, imo.

So is she a former other?
I guess pregnant women dying on the island is something new.
I wonder if it has anything to do with moving the island in to the future?

The question I have is if in fact she was born on the island,How did she learn to speak Korean?

The question I have is if in fact she was born on the island,How did she learn to speak Korean?

She obviously left the island at a young age. She's well educated, went to great schools, traveled the world, probably knows a few languages ~ but I think there's a lot more to Charlotte than we know. Maybe Richard Alpert is her real father or even Whidmore. She's got a freaky connection that I'm sure we'll hopefully find out more in the next season.

Well, her being born on the Island would explain, perhaps, her delight in finding a polar bear in the Tunisian desert with a Dharma logo on its collar.

Maybe she has the Richard Alpert gene that allows for long life?

I keep thinking she's related somehow to Annie... or has something to do with Ben...

Maybe she has the Richard Alpert gene that allows for long life?

Yeah, my initial thought was: She's older than she looks. ;)

Could she be Annie?

Noone said she was born on the island. She said that she was still looking for the place where she was born. Not only that, but she prefaced that comment by saying it may not make any sense, to which Daniel agreed. I believe that as an anthropologist, she is looking for evidence of the beginning of humanity, i.e. "the place I was born". She isn't speaking about herself per se.

I think she is Annie

Remember the puzzled look on her face when Miles was like "you've tried so hard to get back here." As if, the spirits he can talk to told him that she had been there before, but she seemed to have no clue. It wasnt until AFTER Miles said that, that she decided to stay.
So maybe she was born on the island, or only on the island for a short bit of time, but she doesnt have a real recollection of it.

I thought at first she might be Annie's daughter (when Ben rattled off her life story, her mother's name is Anne). However, since Ben KNEW all her life history (so it seemed), if she was Annie's daughter why would he try to kill her?? Unless of course, being the all knowing Ben, he KNEW she had on a vest and wouldn't actually be shot... ??? So many questions...

Perhaps she is born in the future on the island, but with move she ends up in the present.

In my opinion, this reveal salvaged the whole episode for me. Without it, I would have considered this a 2 star episode...the reveal moved it to 3/5.

I'm looking forward to exploring this storyline.

Also, the "Charlotte is Annie" thing is a nice thought, but Annie didn't have an accent. You don't develop that strong of an accent that late in life - unless, of course, it's a completely contrived accent, but that would be a cheap move on the part of the writers, in my opinion.

Maybe she was one of Rousseau's team that got sick, and she TT'ed off the Island and forgot.....

.....Annie she is, then. I have stupid theories......:(

Well, her being born on the Island would explain, perhaps, her delight in finding a polar bear in the Tunisian desert with a Dharma logo on its collar.
So she was born and probably raised for a while during Dharma times....
Does her age match this?

Noone said she was born on the island. She said that she was still looking for the place where she was born. Not only that, but she prefaced that comment by saying it may not make any sense, to which Daniel agreed. I believe that as an anthropologist, she is looking for evidence of the beginning of humanity, i.e. "the place I was born". She isn't speaking about herself per se.

I also didn't take her remark as meaning she was literally born on the island. I think because of the line proceeding it that the comment may not make sense.

But if you accept that Charlotte was born on the island, it makes you wonder what else Charlotte has in common with Aaron.

I believe she lived on the island in a former life, we have had multiple clues dealing with reincarnation, thats my guess anyway.

Could she be Annie?

Puh-lease. Would Ben have shot Annie in the chest?

I thought at first she might be Annie's daughter (when Ben rattled off her life story, her mother's name is Anne). However, since Ben KNEW all her life history (so it seemed), if she was Annie's daughter why would he try to kill her?? Unless of course, being the all knowing Ben, he KNEW she had on a vest and wouldn't actually be shot... ??? So many questions...

I also thought she might be Ben and Annie's daughter. Either that, or Christian has yet another family. ;)

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=96639

I also thought she might be Ben and Annie's daughter. Either that, or Christian has yet another family. ;)

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=96639

haha, Christian the serial bigamist.

Interesting idea about Charlotte being Annie's daughter. Wouldn't it be just like him to try to kill her just because Annie went off the island and married some other man, and Charlotte was their daughter. Only problem is that Ben didn't actually say her mother's name was Anne... "born in 1979, Essex England, parents David and Janette."

Anyway, it would totally ruin my theory that Annie was the first to die in childbirth, along with Ben's daughter. So it can't be true for that reason as well.

Born on the Island...I know that Ben is a liar...but, he also said he was "born on the Island."
It occurs to me that both of them might have been speaking in a spiritual sense. Maybe Ben felt reborn after he met Jacob. Locke could say he was "born on the Island" (if he wanted to) and it is sort-of true. Maybe it's like born-again or something. You become truly alive and purposeful when Jacob accepts you?

Maybe she was once a part of Dharma, The Others, The Black Rock crew, or Jacob's concubine, has returned and is looking for a specific place on the Island where she was "born"?
Also, did Ben say she was born in Oxford (Daniel connection) or just went to school there? Maybe she was part of a time-travel experiment there?
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She is not Annie, she is not Annnies child, she looks nothing like Annie and the ages dont fit. If an anthropologist decides to stay on an ancient Island w/ an ancient civilization because "she is looking for where she was born" she is doing what all anthropologists do, what the Leakys were doing in Africa-looking for the birthplace of the human race. And since the pacific version of the Atlantis myth MU the Island kingdom has it as allegedly as being the birthplace of humanity (according to legend) it is obvious she was only speaking metaphorically. If she really was born on the Island would the clue be so obvious?

I definitely think she was born on the island, but my question is how much time did she spend on the island. Was she taken away in infancy or did she spend a portion of her childhood on the island? I agree with the people who say she isn't Annie. Ever since the introduction of Annie, people theorize that every new female character is Annie.

If she was Ben's daughter why would she act suprised when he started reciting all the information he knew about her? Even if it was a fake reaction, I'm sure there would be some sort of eye contact they would be making with eachother to acknowledge that they both know eachother on a personal level. Also, there's a no way Annie is Charlotte - Charlotte is not in the same age bracket as Ben!

MILES: "Are you really going to leave when it took you so long to get back here?"

I really like the reincarnation idea... so if Annie is dead, Charlotte could be Annie reincarnated... Annie was born on the island?

As for Ben trying to kill Charlotte... Ben wouldn't know who Charlotte was in her previous life... as he doesn't know who Locke was before, until Locke "proves" himself.... then the Others welcome him home...

My question is... is the reincarnation natural or did Alpert et. al "seed" the reincarnations?

If it hasn't always been fatal to conceive and bear children on the island, Charlotte could be the child of any number of Dharma people who left as an infant or a toddler. Or her mom could have arrived pregnant and she'd be like Aaron or Alex. She wouldn't remember the island per se, only know about it from her Dharma veteran parents.

Dharma arrived in the early 70s and got purged in 1992, so her age fits.

Now it would be cool if Annie left before the Purge, pregnant with Ben's child, without his even knowing, and this is indeed Charlotte. But that's not necessary for Charlotte to have been born on the island and be known to the spirits of dead Dharmans.

Cardie

What about the information that Ben has on her in CD:


BEN: Her name is Charlotte Lewis! Charlotte Staples Lewis. Born July second, nineteen seventy-nine, Essex, England. Parents David and Jeanette. Eldest of three, all girls. She was raised in Bromsgrove. Did her undergraduate studies at Kent. Took her PhD in Cultural Anthropology at Oxford. She's here with two other team members and a pilot. Their names Daniel Faraday, Miles Straume, Frank Lapidus.

What about the information that Ben has on her in CD:

BEN: Her name is Charlotte Lewis! Charlotte Staples Lewis. Born July second, nineteen seventy-nine, Essex, England. Parents David and Jeanette. Eldest of three, all girls. She was raised in Bromsgrove. Did her undergraduate studies at Kent. Took her PhD in Cultural Anthropology at Oxford. She's here with two other team members and a pilot. Their names Daniel Faraday, Miles Straume, Frank Lapidus.

Well see therein lies the problem, that info was given to us by Ben. Ben's a known liar, he also said he was born on the Island, and that isn't true.

Just because he lists Charlotte's parents, even if he was telling the truth, David and Jeanette could be her adoptive parents. Charlotte could have been born on the Island, her parents were killed or died (maybe in a skirmish with the Hostiles, maybe in the incident) and then she was taken off the Island and given up for adoption. Where would they list her birth place on her birth certificate then? Unkown Island, Pacific Ocean?We have a show where conspiracies are flying out the wazoo, so Charlotte's birth certifcate could easily be forged. As for that, any baby that was born on the Island where would be listed as their place of birth?

If Charlotte was born on the Island, there could be 2 possibilities as to why Ben said this:

1) he's lying (not a stretch there)
2) That was actually the information Ben received and he doesn't know Charlotte was born on the Island

Charlotte being born on the Island ties in with the show though. We have the first baby (Aaron) born on the Island in obviously quite a long time, we have a baby conceived on the Island and born, albeit off Island (Ji Yeon) and now possibly Charlotte is the last baby born on the Island before the pregnancy issues. It seems to fit with the story so far.

My guess is Charlotte was raised by adoptive parents, and the search for her "identity" has led her to the Island. Could be equal parts detective work/"supernatural" forces, but in any event, she's arrived at her birthplace. It would be interesting if she was connected to Ben/Annie, but Ben's behavior towards her would suggest otherwise, unless Ben's turned into his father and blames Charlotte for Annie's death (don't aske me how).

I think its a good possibility that Charlotte's biological mother conceived her on Island, but escaped to avoid the usual fate for women in this position. Charlotte was handed off to someone else, and the mother was killed, either hunted down or via suicide.

All of Ben's information came from the dossiers of the folks on the freighter, which Michael gathered for him. If being born or conceived on the island isn't part of Charlotte's official story, then Ben would know nothing about that.

Cardie

All of Ben's information came from the dossiers of the folks on the freighter, which Michael gathered for him. If being born or conceived on the island isn't part of Charlotte's official story, then Ben would know nothing about that.

Cardie
Very true, or Ben could be leaving out a crucial bit of information about Charlotte, like and she was born on the island. A very real posibility. But I think that he may not know(if in fact she was born on the island.

I don't think she's looking for the beginning of humanity, nor is she Annie (remember they said that Juliet looked like Annie) besides I don't believe that anyone is reincarnated. There is the very likely possiblilty that they are cloned and exist in different times simultaneously (those rabbits keep coming to mind)---I think she was actually born on the island, but not conceived on the island. Could Adam and Eve be her parents if she is from a different time?

I don't think Ben knows Charlotte's story at all

We know from the BDM that The DHARMA Initiative had an Emergency Escape Protocol in place should anything like The Purge occur (which as Cardie pointed out was in '92).

Her speaking Korean just makes me think that she was Paik's "woman on the boat".

I don't think Ben knows Charlotte's story at all


which leads me to believe that it is going to be an interesting one, whenever we get it.

which leads me to believe that it is going to be an interesting one, whenever we get it.
I think were it not for the writer's strike we would have seen some of her backstory, i.e. how she came to be on the freighter. But the possibilty that she was born on the island would have still been saved for the season finale, but hinted at in her flashbacks.

[quote=Laurieg;1911879]So is she a former other?
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"I"m thinking that Charlotte is a blood relative to either the Hanso family or to the DeGroots-which actually I am thinking are related to each other anyway. Magnus meaning "great" and De Groot meaning "of (the) great"

"I"m thinking that Charlotte is a blood relative to either the Hanso family or to the DeGroots-which actually I am thinking are related to each other anyway. Magnus meaning "great" and De Groot meaning "of (the) great"

It's possible that the Hanso family and the DeGroot's had a falling out on The Island too...

Taken from the BDM...

Believed to have divested from project in 1985 following AH/MDG incident

Caduceus station believed to have been abandoned due to AH/MDG incident of 1985

It's been confirmed that AH is Alvar Hanso but the identity of MDG is still a mystery.

M. DeGroot would be a good guess though I think, though you can only assume that the "incident of 1985" was a conflict or an argument of some sort.

It's possible that the Hanso family and the DeGroot's had a falling out on The Island too...

Taken from the BDM...





It's been confirmed that AH is Alvar Hanso but the identity of MDG is still a mystery.

M. DeGroot would be a good guess though I think, though you can only assume that the "incident of 1985" was a conflict or an argument of some sort.

I think the Cadaceus station might imply some sort of medical disaster... maybe this is where the quarantine came from? 1985 Incident exposed AH/MDG to something?

The Alvar Hanso/M. De Groot Incident may have to do with Alvar leaving the island..or has something to do with his "blood disorder."

Everything on this page so far is just blatant speculation w/o any evidence to back it up. What we know for sure is her approx. age, hair/eye color, her job (anthropologist) and she is looking for where she was born. I trust Ben's data on her-after all, he was able to easily and quickly procure data ALL the losties. Ben is or was master of the Island. He ought to know who was born while he was with Dharma-he let nothing escape his notice on the Island.

Everything on this page so far is just blatant speculation w/o any evidence to back it up. What we know for sure is her approx. age, hair/eye color, her job (anthropologist) and she is looking for where she was born. I trust Ben's data on her-after all, he was able to easily and quickly procure data ALL the losties. Ben is or was master of the Island. He ought to know who was born while he was with Dharma-he let nothing escape his notice on the Island.

He thought Alex was safe too, Ben is not omniscient.

If you think Ben's info on her is accurate then wouldn't her question about where she had been born already have been answered?

Ben said she was born in Essex on 2 July 1979, I don't think Charlotte would agree.

Everything on this page so far is just blatant speculation w/o any evidence to back it up. What we know for sure is her approx. age, hair/eye color, her job (anthropologist) and she is looking for where she was born. I trust Ben's data on her-after all, he was able to easily and quickly procure data ALL the losties. Ben is or was master of the Island. He ought to know who was born while he was with Dharma-he let nothing escape his notice on the Island.
We also know for sure she was chosen for this mission by Abaddon who has a major connection to and interest in the Island. He could have chosen from hundreds of Anthropologists but he chose Charlotte S. Lewis. Don't you think like Locke he recruited her chose her for a special reason? Of course,he did.....what a perfect connection if she was born there.

Everything on this page so far is just blatant speculation w/o any evidence to back it up. What we know for sure is her approx. age, hair/eye color, her job (anthropologist) and she is looking for where she was born. I trust Ben's data on her-after all, he was able to easily and quickly procure data ALL the losties. Ben is or was master of the Island. He ought to know who was born while he was with Dharma-he let nothing escape his notice on the Island.

When he procured the data on all the Losties, he was using Mikhail who had access to all the information using the Flame. Plus he could have gone off the Island to research all the people even more. On the Freighter, all Ben had was Michael as a spy, with much less technology to acquire the data. If people on the Freighter suspected a possible spy, they could have lied about the data they were giving people on the Freighter, especially Michael who was only a janitor.

And of course it's speculation, once we have solid proof, there can't be any more discussion. That's what the Fuselage is for, to speculate about what we don't know and what could possibly happen.;)

But Michael could have just given Ben the names of the people on the freighter and then the Others got the rest of the information on them. That's what I took to believe. Michael was undercover on the boat - how would he get any other info about the passengers then just their names? Keamy seemed very surprised that Ben knew anything about him and I'm sure no one else on the boat knew his background either.....they didn't even seem to know each other's purposes for being on the boat in the first place.

So is she a former other?
I guess pregnant women dying on the island is something new.
I wonder if it has anything to do with moving the island in to the future?

I wonder if Charlotte's situation was a lot like Aaron's. That she was taken off the island as an infant. Either by her real parents or someone who claimed to be. I'm thinking that her parents may have been part of the DI and fled vowing to never speak of their time there. Ben gave a history of Charlotte that included parents' names, where she was born and raised, and where she went to school.

I was thinking maybe the whole fertility thing on the island was not always the case. Maybe it was posable to conceive, and give birth to a child before "The incident" happened. If Charlotte was born in 1979 and the incident happen in 1985 it kinda makes sense.

I am not completely sure about all the dates of her birth and the incident are correct. I am just brain storming here.

Annie would be Ben's age. Ben is about 45 according to Lostpedia. They list Charlotte as born in 1979 or 25 in 2004.

There's no evidence that Annie was born on the Island. But Annie's child could have been. Maybe Charlotte is Ben's biological daughter.

With all the pregnancy problems on the Island this could be questionable. But there could be an easy twist here. Obviously Miles knows something that indicates she's been here and apparently she's not figured it out yet.

But Michael could have just given Ben the names of the people on the freighter and then the Others got the rest of the information on them. That's what I took to believe. Michael was undercover on the boat - how would he get any other info about the passengers then just their names? Keamy seemed very surprised that Ben knew anything about him and I'm sure no one else on the boat knew his background either.....they didn't even seem to know each other's purposes for being on the boat in the first place.

Yep, that could very well be the case, the Flame and the Sub were not destroyed until after Michael was on the Freighter. I'm sure that Michael found out more than just names though, I would think they would need more than just a name to gather information on everyone. Isolated on a ship for awhile can get people talking. Not necessarily, where people were born, or parents names, but some more information to go on than just a name.

why do i feel like they are all facing judgement day... charlotte could be a ghost too

I'm betting Charlotte's parents were DHARMA anthropologists, that she was born on the island and knows from her parents something about why it is so special. I think probably either Charlotte's parents escaped during the purge, while she was still very young, or else they were killed during the purge, and another DHARMA worker saved her and got her off the island, and that is why she's looking for the place where she was born, so she can learn about what happened to her parents.

Then she must be lying about her name, because wouldn't Ben have details and information on her, if she was from the island, wouldn't he know? But then as Ben seems to have accurate details on everyone else, it could be her name is real, but if she had been on the island before I am still thinking Ben would know this, but he hasn't said anything. *scratches head*

Then she must be lying about her name, because wouldn't Ben have details and information on her, if she was from the island, wouldn't he know? But then as Ben seems to have accurate details on everyone else, it could be her name is real, but if she had been on the island before I am still thinking Ben would know this, but he hasn't said anything. *scratches head*
maybe the name doesn't ring a bell. maybe there were so many people before the purge that he doesn't really remember the names, especially if he thinks he already killed everyone. i don't remember all the names of the people i went to high school, maybe some of the first names, but not their last.

It's possible that the Hanso family and the DeGroot's had a falling out on The Island too...Taken from the BDM...

It's been confirmed that AH is Alvar Hanso but the identity of MDG is still a mystery.

M. DeGroot would be a good guess though I think, though you can only assume that the "incident of 1985" was a conflict or an argument of some sort.



"Have always thought this-some major disagreement occurred which caused funding to be pulled from the Island Dharma projects. Personally, I l think MDG stands for Mittelos Dharma Group. "
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Everything on this page so far is just blatant speculation w/o any evidence to back it up. What we know for sure is her approx. age, hair/eye color, her job (anthropologist) and she is looking for where she was born. I trust Ben's data on her-after all, he was able to easily and quickly procure data ALL the losties. Ben is or was master of the Island. He ought to know who was born while he was with Dharma-he let nothing escape his notice on the Island.


"Ben originally said that HE had been born on the island but we later learned that was not true-at least not in the LITERAL sense. Actually, I believe he was using the word "born" a bit more ambiguously-in terms of being "reborn"-having a new beginning. After all, born again Christians do not regress back to the womb and out the birth canal a second time. I think the same holds true for Charlotte. She was born in Essex as Ben said, but at some point later in life was on the island for a period of time and then left again. As for Ben being "master" of the island don't see him as such. A "master" has complete and absolute control and obviously Ben does not"
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I think the Cadaceus station might imply some sort of medical disaster... maybe this is where the quarantine came from? 1985 Incident exposed AH/MDG to something? "


"I think that the closing of the Caduceus station was due more to ethics than anything else. After all, the blast door map indicates a closure of it prior to the Purge but the Ben/Others made use of after the purge for involuntary human experimentation. I think whoever was in charge of studies there prior to the Purge wanted those studies to take a darker turn-one which Hanso was in disagreement with"

Then she must be lying about her name, because wouldn't Ben have details and information on her, if she was from the island, wouldn't he know? But then as Ben seems to have accurate details on everyone else, it could be her name is real, but if she had been on the island before I am still thinking Ben would know this, but he hasn't said anything. *scratches head*

Perhaps she and Ben are in cahoots. There has been speculation that Ben knew she was wearing body armor and shot her to make her cover convincing.

She is definitely not Annie. That would be a very lame move on the writers/producers part since she doesn't look at all like Annie. They would have done a better job in getting someone that looks like grown-up Annie.

I wonder if Charlotte's situation was a lot like Aaron's. That she was taken off the island as an infant. Either by her real parents or someone who claimed to be. I'm thinking that her parents may have been part of the DI and fled vowing to never speak of their time there. Ben gave a history of Charlotte that included parents' names, where she was born and raised, and where she went to school.
The whole searching for her birthplace thing makes me think that they were killed in the purge, and someone else got her off the island. Of course, like with Aaron, that raises the possibility that David and Jeanette Lewis aren't her biological parents.

Do we know the approximate date of when Ben came to the island? My impression was that that was way too close to 1979 for Charlotte to be Ben and/or Annie's daughter. However it would be very Star Wars-esque if Ben thought Annie and their baby died in childbirth, but in reality the baby was secreted away to be raised by Uncle David and Aunt Jeanette on their moisture farm in Essex.

According to Lostpedia, Ben arrived "in the early 1970s." He's about 12 then, so Charlotte could possibly be the product of a teen affair between him and Annie.

Cardie

ohhhhhhhh so annie is Ben's little girlfriend.... I totally forgot about that... Maybe it is annie.

I think Miles' ability to read living minds was alluded to in Meet Kevin Johnson. Miles hints to Michael that he knew Kevin Johnson wasn't his real name when they first arrive to board the freighter. Of course, he might have been suggesting that everyone there was giving false names, but that's not how I took it.

Interesting, I hadn't considered that Miles could read living minds. However, I think that it is possible that Miles knew the name thing because Michael killed Anna-Lucia and Libby. When we have seen Miles "hearing" the dead it seems as though the whole scene plays out - ie when he could hear Alex screaming for her mum.

Maybe Miles simply heard the deaths that Michael had caused - Libby said his name right before he shot her didn't she?

I jumped to the Annie conclusion right away, too. Certainly the red hair and the complexion resemble what Annie could presumably grow up to look like. But Annie was old enough to have formed her lasting accent, and she certainly didn't have the accent that Charlotte has.

Plus, I still like the theory that Ben and Annie married and that she died in childbirth and that led to his obsession with the dying pregnant women.

Therefore, I am leaning towards Charlotte being Charlotte DeGroot -- daughter of the DHARMA leaders.

But, really, it's totally unclear and up in the air. And Miles knowing that about her was very interesting... his powers are much stronger than we understand.


I like the thought of Charlotte being Charlotte DeGroot.

I think that Miles got his information from Adam & Eve, the bodies from S1. He is always wandering around the island, he has probably bumped into them.

Charlotte = Charlotte DeGroot = Eve?


Dan = Adam?

Bea Klugh looks more like Annie than Charlotte does. Kate's mom is Annie.

She is definitely not Annie. That would be a very lame move on the writers/producers part since she doesn't look at all like Annie. They would have done a better job in getting someone that looks like grown-up Annie.

And who wasn't half his age.
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Then she must be lying about her name, because wouldn't Ben have details and information on her, if she was from the island, wouldn't he know? But then as Ben seems to have accurate details on everyone else, it could be her name is real, but if she had been on the island before I am still thinking Ben would know this, but he hasn't said anything. *scratches head*
I assume he would know if her parents had been DHARMA. I'm not sure that he'd want her to know, though, if she didn't already. Or her parents were killed, and she was raised by someone else, I would assume she would have their name, to protect her, and he wouldn't know.

Reincarnation i believe

I'm not sure how MIles knows. The power to read living minds hasn't been alluded to until this episode but, since he, presumably, hasn't been near the Dharma Ditch, that's the only thing I can think of. He can read her mind. :shrug:

Miles hasn't been near Dharma Ditch, but he was locked in a shed in New Otherton for a significant amount of time. As we saw, quite a few Dharma folks died in town during the Purge. Their ghosts could have told Miles all sorts of interesting gossip. :biggrin:

I have recently started to wonder if Charlotte could somehow have the memories of future Ji Yeon or Aaron.

I like the theory that Charlotte is Ben and Annie's daughter, but Ben seems like the type who would know and keep tabs on his daughter even if he sent her away. He'd have contacts in the outside world to trace her down and know who raised her. It would be interesting if she were his and he knew it and shot her anyway.

I like the theory that Charlotte is Ben and Annie's daughter, but Ben seems like the type who would know and keep tabs on his daughter even if he sent her away....

I agree with your thoughts on Ben. But, Ben was a "Worker" like his father until the Purge. Up until that point, he wasn't in a position to wander into a Dharma station and order someone to keep tabs on someone. I believe that Annie:

May have left pre-Purge, perhaps pregnant with Ben's child, who may or may not be Charlotte. Since Ben couldn't keep tabs on her during his Workman days, Annie may have been able to slip off the grid, so-to-speak.
Died during child birth, and Ben was the father. That would explain his obsession with getting Juliet to solve the problem.I think the latter theory is more likely.

I'm not sure how MIles knows. The power to read living minds hasn't been alluded to until this episode but, since he, presumably, hasn't been near the Dharma Ditch, that's the only thing I can think of. He can read her mind. :shrug:

There are several religions, both Eastern and Western that describe the presence of spirits with every living person, as a necessary condition to living in the natural world. Swedenborg specifically said that each person has two pairs of spirits, one pair associated with heaven, through which we have our link with heaven, and one pair associated with hell, through whom we have our link with hell.

All that to say. I think he simply "hears dead people." He could learn enough by just listening to whatever spirits may be hanging around you -- but if he's listening to your associate spirits, he could possibly learn a whole lot about you, including things you don't know about yourself.
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Bea Klugh looks more like Annie than Charlotte does. Kate's mom is Annie.

Hurley's mom is Annie.

I think Annie's dead.

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Anybody else think she is the girl Ben had a crush on when he was a young boy?

I think Annie's dead.

Yep. If she were alive, we would have seen Ben do something to contact her.

I think it's been hinted at that Miles can read minds before this ep. When he meets Michael who calls himself Kevin Johnson, he knows that's not his real name. And a lot of his arrogance may stem from an ability to "sense" what (live) people are thinking and/or feeling.