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Old 01-30-2012, 10:56 AM   #31
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Re: Alcatraz

Been discussing this show on the Onion's AV Club so far, but I guess I should check in here too
I thought episode 3 was fairly lame. My biggest fear for the show isn't even that the mysteries wont be resolved (I know, I'm shocked too), but that it will get bogged down in the tedium of its procedural format. If it turns too much in to a "bad guy of the week" show and neglects the background "mythology" too much, then I'm calling it quits. That already happened with Person of Interest (another JJ flash in the pan) and I can't deal with it again. Although POI is actually finally starting to get better, but it's kind of too little too late.

Anyways, my favorite character is actually the Warden in 1960. His archetype is a bit hackneyed but man he plays it SO WELL. I just love watching him get sadistic pleasure out of screwing with the inmates. The "four match talk" scene was easily the highlight of ep 3.

My only theory-ish thoughts so far:
Grandpa Madsen (aka the inmate behind the curtain that every inmate-of-the-week winds up talking to in the prison hospital) is some kind of patient zero for time travel experiments being conducted in the basement of Alcatraz. I'm sure Warden Gentles is getting a nice paycheck from the government to do these experiments on his prisoners. Anyways, grandpa Madsen somehow got control of this project and is now using the other inmates in some kind of revenge plot.

Oh and was I just hearing things or did Hauser mention Walnut Creek when he was yelling on the phone midway through the episode? This was before Polly Zobelle and Hurley put the clues together and discovered the child killer's bunker in Walnut Creek. If he was, I thought maybe because his secret neo-alcatraz facility was also in Walnut Creek (the forrest surrounding it looked very similar to where the bunker was located).

ps: is anyone here also on AV Club? I'm under the same screen name


episode 4 observations:

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- Pretty sure bank tellers don't have the authority to shut off bank security cameras.
- Were those safe deposit boxes ALSO from 1960, because I'm also pretty sure modern ones don't operate with only one basic lock.
- Anton Sugar much?
- Hurley really hates Chinese food. Maybe he was kidnapped by an egg roll.
- All of the "tame" criminals (Sylvane and Sweeney, who normally never killed anyone) seem to be way more violent and murderous in the present. Looks like the opposite of what Sangupta was trying to do happened.
- Shouldn't Hurley not be going along on the suspect capture missions, seeing as how he's not at all trained in law enforcement or anything?
- Sangupta seems really, really out of place. I think she must have time-traveled to the past from the present originally. Notice how she's the only one wearing color at the dinner party, almost like a colorized bit in a black and white film. Although I don't really buy the stodgy prison warden just accepting and hiring her back then without question.
- Human-sized air ducts? What is this, a video game?
- Once again last 5 minutes have the only real relevancy to the overall plot. Another black bag with another key.... A FUTURE KEY...TO THE PAST!!!!!!!1
Okay this episode gets a better score than last week simply because they actually did plot stuff, even if it was only for a few minutes. I'm temporarily less worried about the show.





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Old 01-31-2012, 09:33 AM   #32
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Re: Alcatraz

I think Jack Bender took over as show runner after the third episode. We'll see if the show formula has a change up.

Beema, nice observation on Sangupta.





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Old 01-31-2012, 03:21 PM   #33
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I think Jack Bender took over as show runner after the third episode. We'll see if the show formula has a change up.

Beema, nice observation on Sangupta.
Agreed! Ever since Doc and Rebecca said Sangupta set up the prisoner database in the Batcave, I have been trying to figure out how anybody from the 1960s would have the computer proficiency to do that. Your solution works very neatly.
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The Legends of Alcatraz - game





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Re: Alcatraz

thoughts on Paxton petty:
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sangupta is against water torture, but electrocution is okay?

glad we are finally getting somewhere with the doctors and tommy madsen's infirmary stays, even if it's just audience surrogates asking wtf is going on

was this the first prisoner who really had no clue whatsoever about what was going on? all the others have said "they told me to do this"

pretty good episode, but the comically one-dimensional bad guys are starting to get silly. They are starting to feel like Mega Man villains... Sniper Man, Safety Deposit Box Man, Mine Man. Soto and Hauser saying the guy's name in unison was funny but it kind of just called attention to how implausible the whole thing is.

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Old 02-14-2012, 04:33 PM   #37
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Seems like Alcatraz is gaining more momentem, more human interest in the characters. I watched it instead of Being Human.

And yes, the Doc is a great part for Jorge (Hurley) Garcia!
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Old 02-15-2012, 05:07 PM   #38
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Regarding the prisoner interrogation:
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Electroshock therapy was an accepted medical practice in the 1960s. Considering that, and the fact that Sangupta gave Paxton a sedative to dull some of the pain, it is possible she believed she was using a humane method to extract information.


I was excited to see
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confirmation of the fact that the 63s do NOT all reappear on Alcatraz.


I'm curious to see
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what sort of "methods" Sangupta employed, and that Dr. Beauregard knows, that can bring a person out of a coma.


Why
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doesn't Soto know that Sangupta worked at Alcatraz?
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http://www.fox.com/alcatraz/ford/ ARG





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Old 03-20-2012, 09:29 AM   #40
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Re: Alcatraz

Checking in here. Last night's episode was pretty good. Struck a perfect balance of past/present story lines and it actually feels like it's going somewhere. Of course, that doesn't do us much good since it's looking highly likely that the show will be cancelled. 2 hour season finale will probably be series finale...
Sam, have you heard anything?





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